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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org> on 2001/05/04 18:19:01 UTC
Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Gosh, sometimes I feel like I've forked the mod_perl mailing list :(
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:26:16 +0530
From: Qazi Firdous Ahmed <qa...@infy.com>
To: stas@stason.org
Subject: Regarding modperl installation
Hi..
After having gone through your installation steps, i tried installing
with the same during which i encountered a couple of issues to be
resolved. I would request you to guide me in this regard.
I have attached a file wherein the results of Makefile command and the
issues are to be seen.
Further i am using Apache Version 1.3.14, modperl version 1.25,
libwww-perl5.53 which i downloaded from cpan and apache.org.
I tried to put the various missing modules in one of the
directories(directories given by perl-v command), but still it is giving
the errors.
This is very critical for the project i am working on.
Hope to get your expertised guidance for the same.
Thanking you in anticipation
Qazi Firdous Ahmed
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by "Jeffrey W. Baker" <jw...@acm.org>.
On Sat, 5 May 2001, Stas Bekman wrote:
> Gosh, sometimes I feel like I've forked the mod_perl mailing list :(
You get the most astonishing emails from these consultant types.
"Infosys is a world leader in providing IT consulting and software
services[.]" [1]
>From the world consulting leader comes this amazing request. The
requestor is working on an important assignment, and mod_perl is very
critical to the assignment. No doubt the requestor needs some help, else
his client might get snippy. As they should, since the person assigned to
this important project has obviously never installed a Perl module before,
and cannot even read the first line of stdout, exhorting him to install
Perl 5.004_04.
Anyway, we know how this world leader feels about Perl:
"Serious CGI-based web applications use native executables, since
scripting languages are very slow."
...and web server APIs, like the one mod_perl exposes:
"For web-bases software product, it is not worth [it] to risk the chances
of crashing the web servers, and portability is bad, leading to very high
development costs relative to other means." [2]
Even when I am in a good mood, paid consultants looking for free advice
ruffle my feathers. When I'm in a bad mood, it warrants a response.
-jwb
[1] http://www.infy.com/
[2] http://www.infy.com/corporate/thought-papers/technical_alternatives_jan18.doc
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:26:16 +0530
> From: Qazi Firdous Ahmed <qa...@infy.com>
> To: stas@stason.org
> Subject: Regarding modperl installation
>
> Hi..
>
> After having gone through your installation steps, i tried installing
> with the same during which i encountered a couple of issues to be
> resolved. I would request you to guide me in this regard.
> I have attached a file wherein the results of Makefile command and the
> issues are to be seen.
> Further i am using Apache Version 1.3.14, modperl version 1.25,
> libwww-perl5.53 which i downloaded from cpan and apache.org.
> I tried to put the various missing modules in one of the
> directories(directories given by perl-v command), but still it is giving
> the errors.
> This is very critical for the project i am working on.
> Hope to get your expertised guidance for the same.
>
> Thanking you in anticipation
> Qazi Firdous Ahmed
>
>
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by Pete Jordan <mo...@horus.org.uk>.
G.W. Haywood <ge...@www.jubileegroup.co.uk> wrote:
> There have been a few problems reported with 5.6 and I have seen one
> or two myself.
> Although the problems which I saw were largely the result of slightly
> dubious coding practices and were easily fixed, some people had more
> serious problems and it's why I moved to 5.7 for development.
Dunno if it counts as a dubious coding practice, but I've come across
precisely one problem porting the (large) Perl/mod_perl system I maintain
at Motorola from 5.005_03 to 5.6.1:
sub foo(&@);
foo {} qw(BAR BAZ);
no longer works (from 5.6.0, actually), presumably because qw() actually
generates a list at compile time, rather than translating to split, and
the equivalent construct "foo {} ('BAR', 'BAZ');" doesn't compile in
5.005_03 either.
I was slightly doubtful about 5.6.0 as a major release, but I would regard
5.6.1 as safe for production use as long as you treat some of the new
bleeding edge features with sensible caution.
Pete
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by "G.W. Haywood" <ge...@www.jubileegroup.co.uk>.
Hi there,
On Fri, 4 May 2001, ___cliff rayman___ wrote:
> "G.W. Haywood" wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately you have an old version of Perl (5.004) so you should
> > heed the advice of the build scripts and upgrade. I would suggest
> > version 5.005_03.
>
> curious - why 5.005_03 as opposed to the recently released 5.6.1?
Caution. I (and any, more significant, others) still use 5.005_03 in
live sites. My own development servers use 5.7. There have been a
few problems reported with 5.6 and I have seen one or two myself.
Although the problems which I saw were largely the result of slightly
dubious coding practices and were easily fixed, some people had more
serious problems and it's why I moved to 5.7 for development.
I've no personal experience of 5.6.1 and although I have had no
problems at all with 5.7 there's a health warning on the packet...
73,
Ged.
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by Mithun Bhattacharya <mi...@egurucool.com>.
Hmm maybe someone can tell me what I am doing wrong ???
Mithun
------------------------------------------------------
Summary of my perl5 (5.0 patchlevel 5 subversion 3) configuration:
Platform:
osname=linux, osvers=2.2.5-22smp, archname=i386-linux
uname='linux porky.devel.redhat.com 2.2.5-22smp #1 smp wed jun 2
09:11:51 edt 1999 i686 unknown '
hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
usethreads=undef useperlio=undef d_sfio=undef
Compiler:
cc='cc', optimize='-O2 -m486 -fno-strength-reduce',
gccversion=egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)
cppflags='-Dbool=char -DHAS_BOOL -I/usr/local/include'
ccflags ='-Dbool=char -DHAS_BOOL -I/usr/local/include'
stdchar='char', d_stdstdio=undef, usevfork=false
intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8
d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=12
alignbytes=4, usemymalloc=n, prototype=define
Linker and Libraries:
ld='cc', ldflags =' -L/usr/local/lib'
libpth=/usr/local/lib /lib /usr/lib
libs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lc -lposix -lcrypt
libc=, so=so, useshrplib=false, libperl=libperl.a
Dynamic Linking:
dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags='-rdynamic'
cccdlflags='-fpic', lddlflags='-shared -L/usr/local/lib'
Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
Built under linux
Compiled at Feb 2 2000 15:35:58
@INC:
/usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux
/usr/lib/perl5/5.00503
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005
.
PERLLOCAL(1) User Contributed Perl Documentation PERLLOCAL(1)
WWWWeeeedddd FFFFeeeebbbb 2222 11115555::::33339999::::55556666
2222000000000000:::: MMMMoooodddduuuulllleeee the _M_D_5 manpage
+o installed into: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005
+o LINKTYPE: dynamic
+o VERSION: 1.7
+o EXE_FILES:
3/Feb/2000 perl 5.005, patch 03 1
-------------------------------------------
The following were downloaded first....
Bundle::CPAN
File::Spec
Digest::MD5
Compress::Zlib
Archive::Tar
Bundle::libnet
and then I got.....
-------------------------------------------
Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/plan/perl/CPAN/authors/id/G/GB/GBARR/Bundle-libnet-1.00.tar.gz
Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/plan/perl/CPAN/authors/id/G/GB/GBARR/CHECKSUMS
Checksum for
/root/.cpan/sources/authors/id/G/GB/GBARR/Bundle-libnet-1.00.tar.gz ok
Bundle-libnet-1.00/
Bundle-libnet-1.00/Makefile.PL
Bundle-libnet-1.00/libnet.pm
Bundle-libnet-1.00/README
Bundle-libnet-1.00/MANIFEST
Running make for G/GS/GSAR/perl-5.6.1.tar.gz
Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/plan/perl/CPAN/authors/id/G/GS/GSAR/perl-5.6.1.tar.gz
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by Mithun Bhattacharya <mi...@egurucool.com>.
I may be wrong on this but doesnt perl 5.05 come with CPAN v 1.48 ???
In anycase I am pretty sure I had to actually abort the upgrade if I
wanted to keep my perl 5.05 everytime I tried to go to CPAN v 1.59. I
will try to lay my hand on a clean box and try it out to see what
happens and get back soon.
Hmm to think of it I faintly recall something about libnet requiring
IO::Sockets provided by perl 5.6.1 or something I am not sure maybe
someone on the list can throw more light on that.
Mithun
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by Aaron Johnson <so...@gina.net>.
What version of the CPAN module do you have? Version 1.56+ should no longer
"force" you to upgrade.
Aaron Johnson
( is it 1.56 or 1.57, anyway 1.59 is out now and it doesn't force you to
upgrade :^)
Mithun Bhattacharya wrote:
> Umm aren't we forgetting something here - like the average user who uses
> CPAN to keep track of his modules ??? I mean last time I did install
> Bundle::libnet or even install CPAN I think it went ahead and installed
> perl 5.6.1 Unless ofcourse installing everything from tar balls is what
> is suggested for the moment....
>
> Mithun
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by "G.W. Haywood" <ge...@www.jubileegroup.co.uk>.
Hi there,
On Sat, 5 May 2001, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote:
> Umm aren't we forgetting something here - like the average user who uses
> CPAN to keep track of his modules ??? I mean last time I did install
> Bundle::libnet or even install CPAN I think it went ahead and installed
> perl 5.6.1
It tried to do that to me too, once. I stopped it. But then I'm very
choosy about what I allow to be installed on my machines. :)
73,
Ged.
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by Mithun Bhattacharya <mi...@egurucool.com>.
Umm aren't we forgetting something here - like the average user who uses
CPAN to keep track of his modules ??? I mean last time I did install
Bundle::libnet or even install CPAN I think it went ahead and installed
perl 5.6.1 Unless ofcourse installing everything from tar balls is what
is suggested for the moment....
Mithun
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
On Fri, 4 May 2001, ___cliff rayman___ wrote:
> "G.W. Haywood" wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately you have an old version of Perl (5.004) so you should
> > heed the advice of the build scripts and upgrade. I would suggest
> > version 5.005_03. You must compile Perl, Apache and mod_perl with
> > the same compiler.
>
> curious - why 5.005_03 as opposed to the recently released 5.6.1?
It's too new and not production "stress"-tested enough. 5.005_03 is used
for a long time and it's *known* to be good for your production
environment. While 5.6.1 is supposed to be stable and bugs-free, chances
are that it's not 100% clean and we will have to wait for a few more sub
versions (which means more time and testing), before we can endorse the
masses to use it.
Of course some people run the bleeding edge versions on their servers
(either because they need some new features, unavailable in the stable
versions, or just because...). But these people usually don't complain on
the list, they send patches if they find something broken.
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Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by ___cliff rayman___ <cl...@genwax.com>.
"G.W. Haywood" wrote:
> Unfortunately you have an old version of Perl (5.004) so you should
> heed the advice of the build scripts and upgrade. I would suggest
> version 5.005_03. You must compile Perl, Apache and mod_perl with
> the same compiler.
curious - why 5.005_03 as opposed to the recently released 5.6.1?
--
___cliff rayman___cliff@genwax.com___http://www.genwax.com/
Re: Regarding modperl installation (fwd)
Posted by "G.W. Haywood" <ge...@www.jubileegroup.co.uk>.
Hi Stas,
On Sat, 5 May 2001, Stas Bekman wrote:
> Gosh, sometimes I feel like I've forked the mod_perl mailing list :(
Yeah, I know what you mean. Allow me...
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:26:16 +0530
> From: Qazi Firdous Ahmed <qa...@infy.com>
> To: stas@stason.org
> Subject: Regarding modperl installation
> After having gone through your installation steps, i tried installing
> with the same during which i encountered a couple of issues to be resolved.
Building mod_perl takes place in several steps.
Simplified, the steps are:
1. Get the sources and unpack them. (% tar xzvf ....)
2. Create your "Makefile". (% perl Makefile.pl)
3. Compile. (% make)
4. Test. (% make test)
5. Install. (# make install)
6. Configur. (# emacs,vi,edlin...)
You have completed the first two, and sent the results from the
second. There is nothing seriously wrong with the output but you have
not properly installed the modules required to preform one of the
steps. Fortunately this step ('make test') is optional. You can
install mod_perl without doing it. So all you have to do now is steps
four and five. As you see, you usually do the install as user 'root'
but the others can be done as any user.
Unfortunately you have an old version of Perl (5.004) so you should
heed the advice of the build scripts and upgrade. I would suggest
version 5.005_03. You must compile Perl, Apache and mod_perl with
the same compiler.
> Further i am using Apache Version 1.3.14, modperl version 1.25,
While you are rebuilding Perl, I'd suggest starting again with version
1.3.19 of Apache.
> libwww-perl5.53 which i downloaded from cpan and apache.org. I
> tried to put the various missing modules in one of the
> directories(directories given by perl-v command), but still it is
> giving the errors.
Don't worry about it for now. Try using the CPAN shell next time.
perl -MCPAN -eshell
> This is very critical for the project i am working on.
I hope you have some time for reading...
> Hope to get your expertised guidance for the same.
...http://perl.apache.org/guide
73,
Ged.