You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Roland Kool <Ro...@tomtom.com> on 2012/10/19 17:18:13 UTC
CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Hi all,
If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there: Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache Cloudstack?
There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and issues.apache.org. I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or picked up?
Thanks in advance for any clarification.
Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
This is a great example of why we need to be super careful about our brand
and our messaging.
The old JIRA concerns me. I know we've talked about this before, but I do
not recall any definitive plans for it. It would be best if we could shut
it down, and migrate everything across to our current JIRA. Just from the
POV of having less confusion. But there may be drawbacks to this. Thoughts?
It might also be nice to get a diagram on our home page that clearly maps
out our ecosystem, and helps to explain the differences between Apache
CloudStack, the several products that Citrix has, and anything else that
seems necessary. Anyone want to pick that up?
On 23 October 2012 01:01, Will Chan <wi...@citrix.com> wrote:
> Citrix has been actively submitting all their current work into Apache. I
> would suggest all your bugs/request to be re-submitted into issues.apache
> though. It will get better visibility there then bugs.cs.o.
>
> Will
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:42 AM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
> >
> > The bugs/feature requests I've raised on bugs.cs.o don't have a lot of
> > activity on them. Would it be best then to resubmit these in
> issues.apache?
> >
> > Once 4.0 is out, can we expect Citrix to submit some of their work on
> > CloudPlatform back into the Apache version?
> >
> > Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Will Chan [will.chan@citrix.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:54 PM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
> >
> > Apache Cloudstack is being developed and supported by the Apache
> > CloudStack community. Citrix CloudPlatform is a commercial derivative of
> > CloudStack and supported by Citrix. Citrix plans to contribute all
> features
> > and bug fixes for CloudPlatform as approved by the community back into
> > Apache.
> >
> > bugs.cs.o, I believe, will redirect to Apache Jira's CS instance soon.
> Citrix will
> > maintain the old JIRA instance for the foreseeable future until the
> > community is satisfied that it is no longer relevant. There are still a
> lot of
> > history there that did not get migrated into Apache JIRA which is why we
> > want to keep it available for the public to use. I suggest that if the
> > community decides to fix a bug from the old repository, we clone the bug
> > into Apache JIRA before applying the fix. The old JIRA will be kept as
> read-
> > only for the community.
> >
> > Will
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> > > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
> there:
> > > Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > > I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > > instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed
> > > back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > > There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > > issues.apache.org. I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is
> > > deprecated. So what happens to all the issues that where raised there
> > > and not resolved or picked up?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> > >
> > > Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>
--
NS
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Will Chan <wi...@citrix.com>.
Citrix has been actively submitting all their current work into Apache. I would suggest all your bugs/request to be re-submitted into issues.apache though. It will get better visibility there then bugs.cs.o.
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:42 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> The bugs/feature requests I've raised on bugs.cs.o don't have a lot of
> activity on them. Would it be best then to resubmit these in issues.apache?
>
> Once 4.0 is out, can we expect Citrix to submit some of their work on
> CloudPlatform back into the Apache version?
>
> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Will Chan [will.chan@citrix.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> Apache Cloudstack is being developed and supported by the Apache
> CloudStack community. Citrix CloudPlatform is a commercial derivative of
> CloudStack and supported by Citrix. Citrix plans to contribute all features
> and bug fixes for CloudPlatform as approved by the community back into
> Apache.
>
> bugs.cs.o, I believe, will redirect to Apache Jira's CS instance soon. Citrix will
> maintain the old JIRA instance for the foreseeable future until the
> community is satisfied that it is no longer relevant. There are still a lot of
> history there that did not get migrated into Apache JIRA which is why we
> want to keep it available for the public to use. I suggest that if the
> community decides to fix a bug from the old repository, we clone the bug
> into Apache JIRA before applying the fix. The old JIRA will be kept as read-
> only for the community.
>
> Will
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
> > Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed
> > back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > issues.apache.org. I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is
> > deprecated. So what happens to all the issues that where raised there
> > and not resolved or picked up?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> >
> > Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Prasanna Santhanam <pr...@citrix.com>.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 05:46:14AM -0400, Roland Kool wrote:
> Ok, thanks for the clarification and it's good to know that fixes
> are not 'lost' when it comes to Apache version. I will resubmit the
> bugs/enhancement requests I entered in bugs.cs.o.
>
> One last question regarding a bug I raised that is resolved
> (http://bugs.cloudstack.org/browse/CS-15158). According to the
> ticket, some commits have been made to git.cloud.com. Is there an
> easy way to see whether or not these commits have made to the Apache
> git as well? I've been following the git log for a while but haven't
> seen them come by.
It looks like this fix hasn't made it to the Apache repo. Although the
ticket gives an ASF master commit-id. If the bug does have a commit-id
for the Apache repo you can check by doing a
$ git branch --contains <commit-id>
I'd recommend posting the issues on Apache JIRA only in the future and
keep them unresolved and the concerned committer will fix it. Since
the project has diverged we have two rapidly moving targets and likely
some fixes might be missed.
Appreciate your diligence in keeping track of the issues!
--
Prasanna.,
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Roland Kool <Ro...@tomtom.com>.
Ok, thanks for the clarification and it's good to know that fixes are not 'lost' when it comes to Apache version.
I will resubmit the bugs/enhancement requests I entered in bugs.cs.o.
One last question regarding a bug I raised that is resolved (http://bugs.cloudstack.org/browse/CS-15158). According to the ticket, some commits have been made to git.cloud.com. Is there an easy way to see whether or not these commits have made to the Apache git as well? I've been following the git log for a while but haven't seen them come by.
Thanks again,
Best regards,
Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
________________________________________
From: Alex Huang [Alex.Huang@citrix.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:34 AM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Roland,
Apache 4.0 is actually a rollup of all of the features implemented by Citrix in the 3.x branches + all changes to make it apache license compatible + new work that breaks out the plugins + changes to the build system. So the current Apache 4.0 release will bring actually bring CloudStack to feature parity with current CloudPlatform releases.
For bugs, you should submit them to apache. It will get better visibility there.
We're working to get apache releases ahead of CloudPlatform releases but currently that's not possible.
--Alex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:42 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> The bugs/feature requests I've raised on bugs.cs.o don't have a lot of activity
> on them. Would it be best then to resubmit these in issues.apache?
>
> Once 4.0 is out, can we expect Citrix to submit some of their work on
> CloudPlatform back into the Apache version?
>
> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Will Chan [will.chan@citrix.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> Apache Cloudstack is being developed and supported by the Apache
> CloudStack community. Citrix CloudPlatform is a commercial derivative of
> CloudStack and supported by Citrix. Citrix plans to contribute all features and
> bug fixes for CloudPlatform as approved by the community back into Apache.
>
> bugs.cs.o, I believe, will redirect to Apache Jira's CS instance soon. Citrix will
> maintain the old JIRA instance for the foreseeable future until the
> community is satisfied that it is no longer relevant. There are still a lot of
> history there that did not get migrated into Apache JIRA which is why we
> want to keep it available for the public to use. I suggest that if the
> community decides to fix a bug from the old repository, we clone the bug
> into Apache JIRA before applying the fix. The old JIRA will be kept as read-
> only for the community.
>
> Will
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
> > Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed
> > back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > issues.apache.org. I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is
> > deprecated. So what happens to all the issues that where raised there
> > and not resolved or picked up?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> >
> > Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
Roland,
Apache 4.0 is actually a rollup of all of the features implemented by Citrix in the 3.x branches + all changes to make it apache license compatible + new work that breaks out the plugins + changes to the build system. So the current Apache 4.0 release will bring actually bring CloudStack to feature parity with current CloudPlatform releases.
For bugs, you should submit them to apache. It will get better visibility there.
We're working to get apache releases ahead of CloudPlatform releases but currently that's not possible.
--Alex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:42 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> The bugs/feature requests I've raised on bugs.cs.o don't have a lot of activity
> on them. Would it be best then to resubmit these in issues.apache?
>
> Once 4.0 is out, can we expect Citrix to submit some of their work on
> CloudPlatform back into the Apache version?
>
> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Will Chan [will.chan@citrix.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> Apache Cloudstack is being developed and supported by the Apache
> CloudStack community. Citrix CloudPlatform is a commercial derivative of
> CloudStack and supported by Citrix. Citrix plans to contribute all features and
> bug fixes for CloudPlatform as approved by the community back into Apache.
>
> bugs.cs.o, I believe, will redirect to Apache Jira's CS instance soon. Citrix will
> maintain the old JIRA instance for the foreseeable future until the
> community is satisfied that it is no longer relevant. There are still a lot of
> history there that did not get migrated into Apache JIRA which is why we
> want to keep it available for the public to use. I suggest that if the
> community decides to fix a bug from the old repository, we clone the bug
> into Apache JIRA before applying the fix. The old JIRA will be kept as read-
> only for the community.
>
> Will
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
> > Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed
> > back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > issues.apache.org. I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is
> > deprecated. So what happens to all the issues that where raised there
> > and not resolved or picked up?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> >
> > Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Roland Kool <Ro...@tomtom.com>.
The bugs/feature requests I've raised on bugs.cs.o don't have a lot of activity on them. Would it be best then to resubmit these in issues.apache?
Once 4.0 is out, can we expect Citrix to submit some of their work on CloudPlatform back into the Apache version?
Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
________________________________________
From: Will Chan [will.chan@citrix.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:54 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Apache Cloudstack is being developed and supported by the Apache CloudStack community. Citrix CloudPlatform is a commercial derivative of CloudStack and supported by Citrix. Citrix plans to contribute all features and bug fixes for CloudPlatform as approved by the community back into Apache.
bugs.cs.o, I believe, will redirect to Apache Jira's CS instance soon. Citrix will maintain the old JIRA instance for the foreseeable future until the community is satisfied that it is no longer relevant. There are still a lot of history there that did not get migrated into Apache JIRA which is why we want to keep it available for the public to use. I suggest that if the community decides to fix a bug from the old repository, we clone the bug into Apache JIRA before applying the fix. The old JIRA will be kept as read-only for the community.
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> Hi all,
>
> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For instance, is
> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
> Cloudstack?
> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and issues.apache.org. I
> learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or picked
> up?
>
> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
>
> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Will Chan <wi...@citrix.com>.
Apache Cloudstack is being developed and supported by the Apache CloudStack community. Citrix CloudPlatform is a commercial derivative of CloudStack and supported by Citrix. Citrix plans to contribute all features and bug fixes for CloudPlatform as approved by the community back into Apache.
bugs.cs.o, I believe, will redirect to Apache Jira's CS instance soon. Citrix will maintain the old JIRA instance for the foreseeable future until the community is satisfied that it is no longer relevant. There are still a lot of history there that did not get migrated into Apache JIRA which is why we want to keep it available for the public to use. I suggest that if the community decides to fix a bug from the old repository, we clone the bug into Apache JIRA before applying the fix. The old JIRA will be kept as read-only for the community.
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Kool [mailto:Roland.Kool@tomtom.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> Hi all,
>
> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For instance, is
> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
> Cloudstack?
> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and issues.apache.org. I
> learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or picked
> up?
>
> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
>
> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Jessica Tomechak <Je...@citrix.com>.
The CPBM system requirements doc implies you can use it with open-source CloudStack. However, it looks to me as if they haven't carefully updated all their docs since they renamed CloudStack to CloudPlatform, so I wouldn't trust the doc 100%. This isn't really a discussion for the cloudstack-dev list, though -- I just had to add a doc link to this thread. It's a tech writer compulsion.
http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/cloudportalbusiness-14/ccpb-systemreqs.html
Jessica T.
CloudStack Tech Pubs
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Chan [mailto:will.chan@citrix.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:21 AM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
You might need to ask CPBM team for their support but I suspect it is most likely support for CloudPlatform only.
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adnan Ashraf [mailto:mohammad.adnan.ashraf@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:07 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> so if a customer buys the enterprise version Cloud Portal Business
> Manager (CPBM), would it sit on top of enterprise distro of CloudStack
> (the Citrix CloudPlatform)? I am in the middle of an enterprise
> engagement with a service provider where CPBM sits on top of apache
> cloudstack (if I am not mistake)...is this an option?
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ahmad Emneina
> <Ah...@citrix.com>wrote:
>
> > On 10/19/12 9:56 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
> > ><mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application
> > >>from Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache
> > >>CloudStack. It sits on top of CloudStack and passes commands to
> > >>it to fulfill IAAS needs (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc).
> > >>CloudPlatform is a more refined and better dashboard providing
> > >>account management, nice billing module and integrated dashboard.
> > >
> > >Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
> > >CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
> > >CloudStack.
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool
> > >><Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack
> > >>>out
> > >>>there:
> > >>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > >>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > >>>instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not
> > >>>fed back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > >>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > >>>issues.apache.org.
> > >>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated.
> > >>>So what happens to all the issues that where raised there and
> > >>>not resolved or picked up?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> > >>>
> > >>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> > Chip is correct, to add to the confusion, CloudPortal is now called
> > CloudPlatform Business Manager :) So CloudPlatform is Citrix's
> > CloudStack 'distro'. It would be narrower in terms of features and
> > is supportable by Citrix.
> >
> > --
> > Æ
> >
> >
> >
> >
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Will Chan <wi...@citrix.com>.
You might need to ask CPBM team for their support but I suspect it is most likely support for CloudPlatform only.
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adnan Ashraf [mailto:mohammad.adnan.ashraf@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:07 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> so if a customer buys the enterprise version Cloud Portal Business Manager
> (CPBM), would it sit on top of enterprise distro of CloudStack (the Citrix
> CloudPlatform)? I am in the middle of an enterprise engagement with a
> service provider where CPBM sits on top of apache cloudstack (if I am not
> mistake)...is this an option?
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ahmad Emneina
> <Ah...@citrix.com>wrote:
>
> > On 10/19/12 9:56 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
> > ><mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application
> > >>from Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache
> > >>CloudStack. It sits on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it
> > >>to fulfill IAAS needs (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc).
> > >>CloudPlatform is a more refined and better dashboard providing
> > >>account management, nice billing module and integrated dashboard.
> > >
> > >Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
> > >CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
> > >CloudStack.
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool
> > >><Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
> > >>>there:
> > >>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > >>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > >>>instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not
> > >>>fed back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > >>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > >>>issues.apache.org.
> > >>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So
> > >>>what happens to all the issues that where raised there and not
> > >>>resolved or picked up?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> > >>>
> > >>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> > Chip is correct, to add to the confusion, CloudPortal is now called
> > CloudPlatform Business Manager :) So CloudPlatform is Citrix's
> > CloudStack 'distro'. It would be narrower in terms of features and is
> > supportable by Citrix.
> >
> > --
> > Æ
> >
> >
> >
> >
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
There have been open source usage of CloudStack before CloudStack was contributed to Apache. While CloudStack was contributed in April of this year, it's been open source for some time before that. We've seen some variants but have not kept track of every open source deployment.
However, CPBM at its current state on works with CloudPlatform. Their roadmap does include support for other Cloud IaaS but I'm not sure if CloudStack is one of them.
--Alex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donal Lafferty [mailto:donal.lafferty@citrix.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:21 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> Is the customer claiming to have CPBM on top of (ASF) CloudStack now? Or
> are you proposing do use CloudStack as the CloudOS?
>
> Existing deployments are probably what is now called CloudPlatform.
> CloudStack moved to ASF only this past April. At that point, there was a fork
> in the code base to allow the ASF incubator to get underway. AFAIK, the first
> stable release from the incubator project will be 4.0. Prior to that the
> incubator was busy bullet-proofing the licensing, putting together the ASF
> portal, and switching the build system over to maven. Therefore, an existing
> CPBM is probably using CloudPlatform.
>
> [Can an expert review these comments!]
>
> DL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adnan Ashraf [mailto:mohammad.adnan.ashraf@gmail.com]
> Sent: 19 October 2012 18:07
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
>
> so if a customer buys the enterprise version Cloud Portal Business Manager
> (CPBM), would it sit on top of enterprise distro of CloudStack (the Citrix
> CloudPlatform)? I am in the middle of an enterprise engagement with a
> service provider where CPBM sits on top of apache cloudstack (if I am not
> mistake)...is this an option?
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ahmad Emneina
> <Ah...@citrix.com>wrote:
>
> > On 10/19/12 9:56 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
> > ><mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application
> > >>from Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache
> > >>CloudStack. It sits on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it
> > >>to fulfill IAAS needs (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc).
> > >>CloudPlatform is a more refined and better dashboard providing
> > >>account management, nice billing module and integrated dashboard.
> > >
> > >Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
> > >CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
> > >CloudStack.
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool
> > >><Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
> > >>>there:
> > >>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> > >>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> > >>>instance, is Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not
> > >>>fed back into Apache Cloudstack?
> > >>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> > >>>issues.apache.org.
> > >>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So
> > >>>what happens to all the issues that where raised there and not
> > >>>resolved or picked up?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> > >>>
> > >>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> > Chip is correct, to add to the confusion, CloudPortal is now called
> > CloudPlatform Business Manager :) So CloudPlatform is Citrix's
> > CloudStack 'distro'. It would be narrower in terms of features and is
> > supportable by Citrix.
> >
> > --
> > Æ
> >
> >
> >
> >
RE: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Donal Lafferty <do...@citrix.com>.
Is the customer claiming to have CPBM on top of (ASF) CloudStack now? Or are you proposing do use CloudStack as the CloudOS?
Existing deployments are probably what is now called CloudPlatform. CloudStack moved to ASF only this past April. At that point, there was a fork in the code base to allow the ASF incubator to get underway. AFAIK, the first stable release from the incubator project will be 4.0. Prior to that the incubator was busy bullet-proofing the licensing, putting together the ASF portal, and switching the build system over to maven. Therefore, an existing CPBM is probably using CloudPlatform.
[Can an expert review these comments!]
DL
-----Original Message-----
From: Adnan Ashraf [mailto:mohammad.adnan.ashraf@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 October 2012 18:07
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
so if a customer buys the enterprise version Cloud Portal Business Manager
(CPBM), would it sit on top of enterprise distro of CloudStack (the Citrix
CloudPlatform)? I am in the middle of an enterprise engagement with a
service provider where CPBM sits on top of apache cloudstack (if I am not
mistake)...is this an option?
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ahmad Emneina <Ah...@citrix.com>wrote:
> On 10/19/12 9:56 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
> ><mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application from
> >> Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache CloudStack. It
> >>sits
> >> on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it to fulfill IAAS needs
> >> (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc). CloudPlatform is a more refined and
> >> better dashboard providing account management, nice billing module and
> >> integrated dashboard.
> >
> >Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
> >CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
> >CloudStack.
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool
> >><Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
> >>>there:
> >>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> >>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> >>>instance, is
> >>> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
> >>> Cloudstack?
> >>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> >>>issues.apache.org.
> >>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
> >>> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or
> >>> picked up?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> >>>
> >>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> >>>
> >
>
> Chip is correct, to add to the confusion, CloudPortal is now called
> CloudPlatform Business Manager :)
> So CloudPlatform is Citrix's CloudStack 'distro'. It would be narrower in
> terms of features and is supportable by Citrix.
>
> --
> Æ
>
>
>
>
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Adnan Ashraf <mo...@gmail.com>.
so if a customer buys the enterprise version Cloud Portal Business Manager
(CPBM), would it sit on top of enterprise distro of CloudStack (the Citrix
CloudPlatform)? I am in the middle of an enterprise engagement with a
service provider where CPBM sits on top of apache cloudstack (if I am not
mistake)...is this an option?
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ahmad Emneina <Ah...@citrix.com>wrote:
> On 10/19/12 9:56 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
> ><mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application from
> >> Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache CloudStack. It
> >>sits
> >> on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it to fulfill IAAS needs
> >> (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc). CloudPlatform is a more refined and
> >> better dashboard providing account management, nice billing module and
> >> integrated dashboard.
> >
> >Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
> >CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
> >CloudStack.
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool
> >><Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
> >>>there:
> >>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> >>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
> >>>instance, is
> >>> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
> >>> Cloudstack?
> >>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
> >>>issues.apache.org.
> >>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
> >>> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or
> >>> picked up?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> >>>
> >>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> >>>
> >
>
> Chip is correct, to add to the confusion, CloudPortal is now called
> CloudPlatform Business Manager :)
> So CloudPlatform is Citrix's CloudStack 'distro'. It would be narrower in
> terms of features and is supportable by Citrix.
>
> --
> Æ
>
>
>
>
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Adnan Ashraf <mo...@gmail.com>.
thanks for the correction...
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Chip Childers
<ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
> <mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application from
> > Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache CloudStack. It sits
> > on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it to fulfill IAAS needs
> > (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc). CloudPlatform is a more refined and
> > better dashboard providing account management, nice billing module and
> > integrated dashboard.
>
> Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
> CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
> CloudStack.
>
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool <Roland.Kool@tomtom.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
> there:
> >> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> >> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For instance,
> is
> >> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
> >> Cloudstack?
> >> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and issues.apache.org
> .
> >> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
> >> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or
> >> picked up?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
> >>
> >> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
> >>
>
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Ahmad Emneina <Ah...@citrix.com>.
On 10/19/12 9:56 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
><mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application from
>> Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache CloudStack. It
>>sits
>> on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it to fulfill IAAS needs
>> (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc). CloudPlatform is a more refined and
>> better dashboard providing account management, nice billing module and
>> integrated dashboard.
>
>Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
>CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
>CloudStack.
>
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool
>><Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out
>>>there:
>>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
>>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For
>>>instance, is
>>> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
>>> Cloudstack?
>>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and
>>>issues.apache.org.
>>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
>>> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or
>>> picked up?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
>>>
>>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>>>
>
Chip is correct, to add to the confusion, CloudPortal is now called
CloudPlatform Business Manager :)
So CloudPlatform is Citrix's CloudStack 'distro'. It would be narrower in
terms of features and is supportable by Citrix.
--
Æ
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Adnan Ashraf
<mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application from
> Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache CloudStack. It sits
> on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it to fulfill IAAS needs
> (creating VPCs, networks, VM etc). CloudPlatform is a more refined and
> better dashboard providing account management, nice billing module and
> integrated dashboard.
Correction: The description above is of Citrix CloudPortal (not
CloudPlatform). CloudPlatform is a commercial distribution of
CloudStack.
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool <Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
>> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
>> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For instance, is
>> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
>> Cloudstack?
>> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and issues.apache.org.
>> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
>> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or
>> picked up?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
>>
>> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>>
Re: CloudStack vs CloudPlatform
Posted by Adnan Ashraf <mo...@gmail.com>.
Citrix CloudPlatform is the enterprise cloud portal application from
Citrix. It is not a replacement of open source apache CloudStack. It sits
on top of CloudStack and passes commands to it to fulfill IAAS needs
(creating VPCs, networks, VM etc). CloudPlatform is a more refined and
better dashboard providing account management, nice billing module and
integrated dashboard.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Roland Kool <Ro...@tomtom.com>wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> If I understand correctly, there are two version of CloudStack out there:
> Apache CloudStack and Citrix CloudPlatform.
> I was wondering what the differences are between the two? For instance, is
> Citrix fixing issues in CloudPlatform that are not fed back into Apache
> Cloudstack?
> There's also two bugtrackers: bugs.cloudstack.org and issues.apache.org.
> I learned from a previous thread that bugs.cs.o is deprecated. So what
> happens to all the issues that where raised there and not resolved or
> picked up?
>
> Thanks in advance for any clarification.
>
> Roland Kool | Sr. Systems Engineer | TomTom TechOps |
>