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Subversion migration?
Talked a little with Stefan offline about when/whether you guys would
be interested in an svn migration.
He'd said that you wanted to migrate before the Ant 1.7?
Looking at the Ant CVS structure, it looks pretty basic and could be
done pretty quickly without much work on your parts.
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Alexey Solofnenko <tr...@gmail.com>.
I personaly prefer darcs - it is created for distributed [and
independent] development.
- Alexey.
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org> wrote:
> Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't know much help I'm
>>>>going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
>>>>switching jobs).
>>>
>>>yeah, and as you're moving to VSS,
>> I've already come to appreciate RCS 8-)
>> TeamSystem is what I hope for.
>
> ?? is that the fancy new VS2005 stuff or something else. ??
Yes.
> I've used clearcase and CVS for windows dev, both work as normal.
Sure, right now I'M just more likely to get TeamSystem than CVS or
Subversion.
> Once you adopt CVS, you can use CruiseControl to have Ant exec vsnet
> to do a bulk build; maybe you can do the same with a VSS plugin.
I think you can - and of course you can user CruiseControl.NET with
VSS directly.
Stefan
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>>
>>>I don't know much help I'm
>>>going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
>>>switching jobs).
>>
>>yeah, and as you're moving to VSS,
>
>
> I've already come to appreciate RCS 8-)
>
> TeamSystem is what I hope for.
?? is that the fancy new VS2005 stuff or something else. ??
I've used clearcase and CVS for windows dev, both work as normal. Once
you adopt CVS, you can use CruiseControl to have Ant exec vsnet to do a
bulk build; maybe you can do the same with a VSS plugin.
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org> wrote:
> Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>> I don't know much help I'm
>> going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
>> switching jobs).
>
> yeah, and as you're moving to VSS,
I've already come to appreciate RCS 8-)
TeamSystem is what I hope for.
Stefan
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> I don't know much help I'm
> going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
> switching jobs).
yeah, and as you're moving to VSS, you have to reset all your concepts
of what SCM does:
-never use it over a long-haul link unless you want a corrupt database
-never use it over an unreliable link unless you want a corrupt database
-never use it on a shared filestore that may run out of space by any
other use of the filestore, unless you want a corrupt database
-dont trust labels
you wouldnt want to use SVN, as it would only make the pain greater...
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de>.
Hello Henri,
The bridge from svn to cvs might be nice to have for some ant users, but I
did not see any emails from Ant committers or from Ant PMC members saying
that it is a requirement.
So even if you cannot provide a bridge from svn to cvs, just go ahead.
Unless there is a -1 by committers.
Cheers,
Antoine
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>
> An: Ant Developers List <de...@ant.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: Subversion migration?
> Datum: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:44:07 -0400
>
> On 8/30/05, Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com> wrote:
> > Yves Martin wrote:
> >
> > > I propose to install a post-commit hook in subversion to keep cvs
> up-to-date
> > > even with read-only access:
> > > http://sam.zoy.org/writings/programming/svn2cvs.html
> > >
> > >
> > That would be nice!
>
> Would be nice, but given that 80% of the ASF is now in SVN, it seems a
> bit late. Plus it'd only be there for 4 months. Hesistant to introduce
> something new at this stage (and spend the time getting it setup etc)
> without getting more payback.
>
> My view anyway, -1 the migration if it's a blocker for you, otherwise
> I'll go ahead on Saturday and make the change.
>
> Sorry,
>
> Hen
>
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 8/30/05, Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com> wrote:
> Yves Martin wrote:
>
> > I propose to install a post-commit hook in subversion to keep cvs up-to-date
> > even with read-only access:
> > http://sam.zoy.org/writings/programming/svn2cvs.html
> >
> >
> That would be nice!
Would be nice, but given that 80% of the ASF is now in SVN, it seems a
bit late. Plus it'd only be there for 4 months. Hesistant to introduce
something new at this stage (and spend the time getting it setup etc)
without getting more payback.
My view anyway, -1 the migration if it's a blocker for you, otherwise
I'll go ahead on Saturday and make the change.
Sorry,
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'll modify Gump to use it in a few minutes. I expect a few test
> failures since we had some Java files that were deliberately checked
> in as binary to enforce specific line-ends (fixcrlf testcases), but
> we will see.
Well, at least on Linux it works.
Stefan
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/05, Dominique Devienne <dd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tis done now:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/core/
I'll modify Gump to use it in a few minutes. I expect a few test
failures since we had some Java files that were deliberately checked
in as binary to enforce specific line-ends (fixcrlf testcases), but we
will see.
> I added 'alexeys' to the authorization list for ant in SVN, I got
> the feeling that you guys had already moved your CVS auth list to
> SVN, but that alexeys was added to CVS after that event.
Yes, this was when we added the antlibs subproject. Alexey hasn't
been a committer then.
Cheers and thanks
Stefan
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 9/3/05, Dominique Devienne <dd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let's do this Saturday, 3rd Sept, 20:00 EST.
>
> Any last minute change of plans?
Nothing, apart from me starting an hour late because my son is cuter
than you guys :)
> Let us know how this goes, and thanks
> of lot for doing this for us Henri. Good luck, --DD
Surprisingly long, took the better part of 2 hours. For the machine
anyway, I get to multi-task and do other things while it slogs along
:)
Tis done now:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/core/
svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/core/trunk ant-core
I added 'alexeys' to the authorization list for ant in SVN, I got the
feeling that you guys had already moved your CVS auth list to SVN, but
that alexeys was added to CVS after that event.
Emails will goto ant-cvs@apache.org.
Let me know if there are any problems,
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de>.
Hello Henri,
this is fine for me.
Cheers,
Antoine
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>
> An: Ant Developers List <de...@ant.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: Subversion migration?
> Datum: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:39:50 -0400
>
> On 8/31/05, Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Henri Yandell wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > since we had a positive vote [1] to migrate to SVN, I think the
> > migration should happen as soon as it is practicable for you Henri. Can
> > you suggest a time ?
>
> Let's do this Saturday, 3rd Sept, 20:00 EST.
>
> Hen
>
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Dominique Devienne <dd...@gmail.com>.
> Let's do this Saturday, 3rd Sept, 20:00 EST.
Any last minute change of plans? Let us know how this goes, and thanks
of lot for doing this for us Henri. Good luck, --DD
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 8/31/05, Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> >Conor: Any time when you'd like the migration to happen?
> >
> >Hen
> >
> >
> >
> Hello,
>
> since we had a positive vote [1] to migrate to SVN, I think the
> migration should happen as soon as it is practicable for you Henri. Can
> you suggest a time ?
Let's do this Saturday, 3rd Sept, 20:00 EST.
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> wrote:
> since we had a positive vote [1] to migrate to SVN, I think the
> migration should happen as soon as it is practicable for you
> Henri.
I agree.
+1 for Henri to go ahead whenever he feels the time is right.
Stefan
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>Conor: Any time when you'd like the migration to happen?
>
>Hen
>
>
>
Hello,
since we had a positive vote [1] to migrate to SVN, I think the
migration should happen as soon as it is practicable for you Henri. Can
you suggest a time ?
Cheers,
Antoine
[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ant-dev&m=112382865614321&w=2
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com>.
Yves Martin wrote:
> I propose to install a post-commit hook in subversion to keep cvs up-to-date
> even with read-only access:
> http://sam.zoy.org/writings/programming/svn2cvs.html
>
>
That would be nice!
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Yves Martin <yv...@elca.ch>.
Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> writes:
> On 8/28/05, Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com> wrote:
>> Conor MacNeill wrote:
>>
>> >The following link goes through the basics. After that it is all pretty
>> >straightforward.
>> >
>> >http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
>> >
>> >If you have particular issues, just yell out
>> >
>> Thanks, Conor. If I read that page correctly, it says something I hadn't
>> quite grokked from the list discussion, to wit, you're going to maintain
>> *both* CVS and SVN access for a while to the same code body?
>
> Nope, which bit suggests that?
>
> Once migrated to SVN, CVS is currently being kept in a read-only
> state, with no changes since the point at which a snapshot was taken
> for migration.
I propose to install a post-commit hook in subversion to keep cvs up-to-date
even with read-only access:
http://sam.zoy.org/writings/programming/svn2cvs.html
Regards,
--
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 8/28/05, Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com> wrote:
> Conor MacNeill wrote:
>
> >The following link goes through the basics. After that it is all pretty
> >straightforward.
> >
> >http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
> >
> >If you have particular issues, just yell out
> >
> Thanks, Conor. If I read that page correctly, it says something I hadn't
> quite grokked from the list discussion, to wit, you're going to maintain
> *both* CVS and SVN access for a while to the same code body?
Nope, which bit suggests that?
Once migrated to SVN, CVS is currently being kept in a read-only
state, with no changes since the point at which a snapshot was taken
for migration.
This'll all get turned off at the end of the year, but it's been
preferred to have it available in the meantime.
Conor: Any time when you'd like the migration to happen?
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com>.
Conor MacNeill wrote:
>The following link goes through the basics. After that it is all pretty
>straightforward.
>
>http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
>
>If you have particular issues, just yell out
>
Thanks, Conor. If I read that page correctly, it says something I hadn't
quite grokked from the list discussion, to wit, you're going to maintain
*both* CVS and SVN access for a while to the same code body?
--
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PO Box 51, Golden, CO 80402 # Constitution. Never did and never will."
http://www.well.com/~jax # - Harry S Truman
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Conor MacNeill <co...@apache.org>.
Jack Woehr wrote:
>>
> ANT people .. is there gonna be a FAQ for switching over from CVS to SVN
> for us Ant users that have both but have never used SVN?
>
The following link goes through the basics. After that it is all pretty
straightforward.
http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
If you have particular issues, just yell out.
Conor
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Jack Woehr <ja...@well.com>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>I can go ahead and migrate pretty much anytime, just need to make sure
>you're happy with when :)
>
>Hen
>
>
>
ANT people .. is there gonna be a FAQ for switching over from CVS to SVN
for us Ant users that have both but have never used SVN?
Jack J. Woehr # "I never played fast and loose with the
PO Box 51, Golden, CO 80402 # Constitution. Never did and never will."
http://www.well.com/~jax # - Harry S Truman
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 8/20/05, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/16/05, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 on the migration, or rather +0.5 since I don't know much help I'm
> > going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
> > switching jobs).
>
> I can pretty much do it anytime, just need to type a handful of lines
> and let the ASF hardware churn for a little bit.
>
> How does next Saturday evening sound, Aug 27th 20:00 EST?
Didn't hear back, so hopefully that meant not to go ahead and do it :)
I can go ahead and migrate pretty much anytime, just need to make sure
you're happy with when :)
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 8/16/05, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Looks like it just needs to go into a core/.
>
> Structure looks fine, although we probably don't need that many tags
> (we can remove them easily) and I wouldn't want to retain any of the
> old branches - their tips are supposed to correspond to a tag anyway.
Easy enough for you guys to remove them later. They don't really cost
anything on the Infra side.
> +1 on the migration, or rather +0.5 since I don't know much help I'm
> going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
> switching jobs).
I can pretty much do it anytime, just need to type a handful of lines
and let the ASF hardware churn for a little bit.
How does next Saturday evening sound, Aug 27th 20:00 EST?
I would:
Make CVS read-only.
Load copy of CVS into SVN.
Copy authentication from CVS to SVN.
Make sure the commit notification looks to be setup correctly.
For a small CVS repository it can be as quick as 30 minutes, for Ant
I'm guessing an hour or two as the larger size means it has to churn
more.
Hen
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like it just needs to go into a core/.
Structure looks fine, although we probably don't need that many tags
(we can remove them easily) and I wouldn't want to retain any of the
old branches - their tips are supposed to correspond to a tag anyway.
+1 on the migration, or rather +0.5 since I don't know much help I'm
going to be right now (adapting to a different timing schema after
switching jobs).
Stefan
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Looks like it just needs to go into a core/. I've gone ahead and made
this change manually to show what it would look like (it's a very tiny
change to the migration).
Hen
On 8/3/05, Peter Reilly <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> If you check old mails, I think that Stefan has already proposed
> a layout.
>
> It needs to incorporate the antlibs directories (already in svn).
> Also, antidote is no longer supported, and should not
> be placed in svn - unless someone wants to maintain it.
>
> Peter
>
>
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> >To accompany the ongoing vote, I've setup a test Ant migration.
> >
> >https://svn.apache.org/repos/test/ant/
> >
> >svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/test/ant/trunk ant
> >
> >I've made the huge assumption that the Ant TLP have only one codebase
> >and haven't structured it in an umbrella way. I'm not sure if
> >ant-antidote is live and needs to be a part of the migration too. SVN
> >is hierarchical, so you'd end up with something like:
> >
> >ant/
> > core/
> > trunk/
> > branches/
> > tags/
> > antidote/
> > trunk/
> > branches/
> > tags/
> >
> >Currently it's just:
> >
> >ant/
> > trunk/
> > branches/
> > tags/
> >
> >Anyway, give it a try if you want and let me which strategy seems to
> >make sense for Ant; ie) where do you want antidote?
> >
> >Hen
> >
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Peter Reilly <pe...@apache.org>.
If you check old mails, I think that Stefan has already proposed
a layout.
It needs to incorporate the antlibs directories (already in svn).
Also, antidote is no longer supported, and should not
be placed in svn - unless someone wants to maintain it.
Peter
Henri Yandell wrote:
>To accompany the ongoing vote, I've setup a test Ant migration.
>
>https://svn.apache.org/repos/test/ant/
>
>svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/test/ant/trunk ant
>
>I've made the huge assumption that the Ant TLP have only one codebase
>and haven't structured it in an umbrella way. I'm not sure if
>ant-antidote is live and needs to be a part of the migration too. SVN
>is hierarchical, so you'd end up with something like:
>
>ant/
> core/
> trunk/
> branches/
> tags/
> antidote/
> trunk/
> branches/
> tags/
>
>Currently it's just:
>
>ant/
> trunk/
> branches/
> tags/
>
>Anyway, give it a try if you want and let me which strategy seems to
>make sense for Ant; ie) where do you want antidote?
>
>Hen
>
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Re: Subversion migration?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
To accompany the ongoing vote, I've setup a test Ant migration.
https://svn.apache.org/repos/test/ant/
svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/test/ant/trunk ant
I've made the huge assumption that the Ant TLP have only one codebase
and haven't structured it in an umbrella way. I'm not sure if
ant-antidote is live and needs to be a part of the migration too. SVN
is hierarchical, so you'd end up with something like:
ant/
core/
trunk/
branches/
tags/
antidote/
trunk/
branches/
tags/
Currently it's just:
ant/
trunk/
branches/
tags/
Anyway, give it a try if you want and let me which strategy seems to
make sense for Ant; ie) where do you want antidote?
Hen
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