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Posted to users@flex.apache.org by Air <ai...@nwahd.com> on 2013/02/28 19:17:46 UTC
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
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On 02/28/2013 12:14 PM, Jim Powell wrote:
> I will have to chime in at this point, much like Jeffry I try to convince
> my clients to use the best technology available for the given product. We
> live in the valley of Oracle (there are 5 Oracle offices in this valley
> (Salt Lake)), so Java is a big draw, Adobe is just over the mountain to the
> south, so Flex is a big draw as well. I will not say that there are not
> some issues in the minds of customers at this point when it comes to flex,
> many aren't comfortable with Open Source when it is stated as such, but I
> have not slowed down in the number of Flex contracts or Java contracts in
> the past 2 years, just had to convince a little harder with those customers
> who really wanted AIR apps written.
>
>
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> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>wrote:
>
>> On 2/28/2013 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote:
>>
>>> Who uses which framework when and for what.
>>>
>> Where do you get said numbers? The only thing I ever saw from Adobe on
>> AIR usage or Flex usage was marketing stuff.
>>
>> I have always tried to direct my clients to choose technology based on
>> merit for their use case; not on what others are doing. ( I'm not always
>> succesful)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Technical Entrepreneur
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Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Simon Gladman <sg...@gmail.com>.
Although it's not strictly Flex related, AS Workers do not work under PPAPI.
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On 1 Mar 2013, at 11:30, "Mark Line" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Out of curiosity the Flex test suites ever get run against Pepper Flash
> player? Do they find any differences?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:tc@extravision.com]
> Sent: 01 March 2013 10:57
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
>
> Isn't that more about not making Flash Player for Linux any more (unless you
> want the nondebug version that is locked to working with only Chrome) ?
>
> Tom
>
> On 28/02/2013 18:22, Alex Harui wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/28/13 10:17 AM, "Air" <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
>> Hard enough that Adobe, with all of its resources, has decided not to
>> support new AIR versions on Linux.
>
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
I don't know. You'd have to ask those folks. But from forum traffic, it
appears that even Google, with all of their resources, is having quality
issues as well. That's why I think it is a difficult undertaking for an
Apache project made up of volunteers, but I do make an annual request for
Adobe to donate the player that gets denied.
On 3/1/13 3:30 AM, "Mark Line" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Out of curiosity the Flex test suites ever get run against Pepper Flash
> player? Do they find any differences?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:tc@extravision.com]
> Sent: 01 March 2013 10:57
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
>
> Isn't that more about not making Flash Player for Linux any more (unless you
> want the nondebug version that is locked to working with only Chrome) ?
>
> Tom
>
> On 28/02/2013 18:22, Alex Harui wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/28/13 10:17 AM, "Air" <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
>>>
>> Hard enough that Adobe, with all of its resources, has decided not to
>> support new AIR versions on Linux.
>>
>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Mark Line <ma...@gmail.com>.
Out of curiosity the Flex test suites ever get run against Pepper Flash
player? Do they find any differences?
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:tc@extravision.com]
Sent: 01 March 2013 10:57
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Isn't that more about not making Flash Player for Linux any more (unless you
want the nondebug version that is locked to working with only Chrome) ?
Tom
On 28/02/2013 18:22, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>
> On 2/28/13 10:17 AM, "Air" <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
>
>> How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
>>
> Hard enough that Adobe, with all of its resources, has decided not to
> support new AIR versions on Linux.
>
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Tom Chiverton <tc...@extravision.com>.
Isn't that more about not making Flash Player for Linux any more (unless
you want the nondebug version that is locked to working with only Chrome) ?
Tom
On 28/02/2013 18:22, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>
> On 2/28/13 10:17 AM, "Air" <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
>
>> How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
>>
> Hard enough that Adobe, with all of its resources, has decided not to
> support new AIR versions on Linux.
>
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 2/28/13 10:17 AM, "Air" <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
> How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
>
Hard enough that Adobe, with all of its resources, has decided not to
support new AIR versions on Linux.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Air <ai...@nwahd.com>.
It is possible , a FLEX Player ( NON FLASH, Open Source )
On 02/28/2013 12:23 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> On 2/28/2013 1:20 PM, Alain Ekambi wrote:
>> I think the "Flash" part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource.
> Not impossible; but I would expect it to be very difficult if you
> want 100% compatibility. There are some things, such as video
> playback which rely on patents or other licensed technology.
>
> There are a bunch of open source Flash player alternatives. Gnash is
> one that comes to mind
>
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>.
On 2/28/2013 1:20 PM, Alain Ekambi wrote:
> I think the "Flash" part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource.
Not impossible; but I would expect it to be very difficult if you want
100% compatibility. There are some things, such as video playback which
rely on patents or other licensed technology.
There are a bunch of open source Flash player alternatives. Gnash is
one that comes to mind
--
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Technical Entrepreneur
203-379-0773
--
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UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
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Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 2/28/13 10:20 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the "Flash" part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource.
Well, I don't think that is 100% true. There are features of the runtime
that currently use proprietary third-party libraries that could potentially
block an effort to open source the runtimes as-is, but it doesn't mean that
an open source community couldn't replicate the functionality of those
libraries or the third-parties couldn't be convinced to donate or replicate
those libraries. But the probability of that happening is low right now,
and I still believe the gating factor is in the testing resources required
to deliver the runtimes to all of its targets.
Way back in the archives, Dave McAllister mentioned at least one open source
Flash project.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Future of Flex technology - Answers
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
I think the "Flash" part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource.
2013/2/28 Air <ai...@nwahd.com>
> How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ?
>
>
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>
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> On 02/28/2013 12:14 PM, Jim Powell wrote:
>
>> I will have to chime in at this point, much like Jeffry I try to convince
>> my clients to use the best technology available for the given product. We
>> live in the valley of Oracle (there are 5 Oracle offices in this valley
>> (Salt Lake)), so Java is a big draw, Adobe is just over the mountain to
>> the
>> south, so Flex is a big draw as well. I will not say that there are not
>> some issues in the minds of customers at this point when it comes to flex,
>> many aren't comfortable with Open Source when it is stated as such, but I
>> have not slowed down in the number of Flex contracts or Java contracts in
>> the past 2 years, just had to convince a little harder with those
>> customers
>> who really wanted AIR apps written.
>>
>>
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>> On 2/28/2013 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote:
>>>
>>> Who uses which framework when and for what.
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get said numbers? The only thing I ever saw from Adobe
>>> on
>>> AIR usage or Flex usage was marketing stuff.
>>>
>>> I have always tried to direct my clients to choose technology based on
>>> merit for their use case; not on what others are doing. ( I'm not always
>>> succesful)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeffry Houser
>>> Technical Entrepreneur
>>> 203-379-0773
>>> --
>>> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
>>> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
>>> --
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>>> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
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