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Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Hi,
We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
I'd like to inform them of the changes to
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
-Bertrand
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> ...generates a list of addresses for the current active podlings
>> based on the site-author/podlings.xml file, which is supposed to be
>> kept up to date.
>
> As explained on various occasions, this will not be thorough.
> Some have non-standard names, some use a short alternative name,
> some would still be in process of establishing their lists...
Ok, that's probably good enough for my current needs.
>
> Clutch does this by gathering various hints about their
> list names, then ensuring that archives are available, then
> creating the reporting group lists (in SVN).
> Of course that is for the "dev" lists, but that would provide
> the correct name and availablity. Not that we want Clutch to be
> a central part, although it already is for the marvin reminders....
Right, let's keep it simple for now. Just taking all known
*private*incubator.apache.org lists wouldn't be perfect either as that
might not take inactive podlings into account.
-Bertrand
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
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David Crossley wrote on Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 09:27:20 +1100:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > > ...We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?...
> >
> > Thanks everybody for your suggestions, for now I have added a
> > "ppmc-aliases" ant target to
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/build.xml in
> > revision 1235329.
> >
> > This generates a list of addresses for the current active podlings
> > based on the site-author/podlings.xml file, which is supposed to be
> > kept up to date.
>
> As explained on various occasions, this will not be thorough.
> Some have non-standard names, some use a short alternative name,
> some would still be in process of establishing their lists.
>
> Clutch does this by gathering various hints about their
> list names, then ensuring that archives are available, then
> creating the reporting group lists (in SVN).
> Of course that is for the "dev" lists, but that would provide
> the correct name and availablity. Not that we want Clutch to be
> a central part, although it already is for the marvin reminders.
>
> -David
>
> > As suggested, any messages sent to that list of addresses and that can
> > be public should have Reply-to set to general@incubator.apache.org,
> > that I suggest CCing as well.
> >
> > -Bertrand
>
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > ...We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?...
>
> Thanks everybody for your suggestions, for now I have added a
> "ppmc-aliases" ant target to
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/build.xml in
> revision 1235329.
>
> This generates a list of addresses for the current active podlings
> based on the site-author/podlings.xml file, which is supposed to be
> kept up to date.
As explained on various occasions, this will not be thorough.
Some have non-standard names, some use a short alternative name,
some would still be in process of establishing their lists.
Clutch does this by gathering various hints about their
list names, then ensuring that archives are available, then
creating the reporting group lists (in SVN).
Of course that is for the "dev" lists, but that would provide
the correct name and availablity. Not that we want Clutch to be
a central part, although it already is for the marvin reminders.
-David
> As suggested, any messages sent to that list of addresses and that can
> be public should have Reply-to set to general@incubator.apache.org,
> that I suggest CCing as well.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?...
Thanks everybody for your suggestions, for now I have added a
"ppmc-aliases" ant target to
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/build.xml in
revision 1235329.
This generates a list of addresses for the current active podlings
based on the site-author/podlings.xml file, which is supposed to be
kept up to date.
As suggested, any messages sent to that list of addresses and that can
be public should have Reply-to set to general@incubator.apache.org,
that I suggest CCing as well.
-Bertrand
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Ross Gardler
<rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> On 19 January 2012 08:48, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
>
> As others have said there isn't once, but unlike others who are
> suggesting an announce style list I think we do need an all PPMCs
> list.
Hi Ross, just to be clear the suggestion the suggestion was for more
than just an announce stye list - release votes and all poddling
related stuff would stay on general@ and just the internal things,
such as this thread, could go on the dev list. Anyway, just consider
this a [RT] type thing, the ppmc alias would be useful as well.
...ant
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 19 January 2012 08:48, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
As others have said there isn't once, but unlike others who are
suggesting an announce style list I think we do need an all PPMCs
list. Sometimes we need to ensure messages get through. PPMC members
are required to be on their projects private list, so that it the way
to do it.
Emails I imagine going to this alias include Bertrands mail, ConCom,
Travel Assistance and GSoC mailings. These amount to maybe half a
dozen a year. Not a huge number but all very important communications.
Anyone from infra@ here got any comments before we ask for one to be set up?
Ross
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Alexander Broekhuis <a....@gmail.com>.
OK same idea, different name ;). I (as a committer/reader of this list)
think this is a good idea!
2012/1/19 ant elder <an...@apache.org>
> Yes exactly. Though i was suggesting keeping general@ for that as its
> so well known and to avoid yet another list for poddlings to watch and
> so instead moving all the Incubator internal chatter off general@ to
> somewhere else.
>
> ...ant
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Alexander Broekhuis
> <a....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Would it be an idea to have something like an announce@, specifically
> for
> > decisions that have been made (concerning all poddlings) after al the
> > discussions on the general@ list?
> >
> > With all the discussions her, it is indeed difficult to keep track of
> what
> > is changed.
> >
> >
> > 2012/1/19 ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> I don't think so, and someone asked this a while back and didn't get an
> >> answer.
> >>
> >> As an alternative, you could send a [NOTICE] type email to general@
> >> which all poddlings are supposed to be watching. Thats likely to get
> >> lost in the flood of other messages so what we could do is set up a
> >> new dev list for the Incubator where we can shout at each other about
> >> process etc and keep general@ just for things that need to be
> >> communicated with poddlings.
> >>
> >> ...ant
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> >> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for
> >> > podlings?
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to inform them of the changes to
> >> >
> >> >
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> >> >
> >> > -Bertrand
> >> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Met vriendelijke groet,
> >
> > Alexander Broekhuis
>
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
Yes exactly. Though i was suggesting keeping general@ for that as its
so well known and to avoid yet another list for poddlings to watch and
so instead moving all the Incubator internal chatter off general@ to
somewhere else.
...ant
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Alexander Broekhuis
<a....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would it be an idea to have something like an announce@, specifically for
> decisions that have been made (concerning all poddlings) after al the
> discussions on the general@ list?
>
> With all the discussions her, it is indeed difficult to keep track of what
> is changed.
>
>
> 2012/1/19 ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
>>
>> I don't think so, and someone asked this a while back and didn't get an
>> answer.
>>
>> As an alternative, you could send a [NOTICE] type email to general@
>> which all poddlings are supposed to be watching. Thats likely to get
>> lost in the flood of other messages so what we could do is set up a
>> new dev list for the Incubator where we can shout at each other about
>> process etc and keep general@ just for things that need to be
>> communicated with poddlings.
>>
>> ...ant
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for
>> > podlings?
>> >
>> > I'd like to inform them of the changes to
>> >
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>> >
>> > -Bertrand
>> >
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>
>
>
> --
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>
> Alexander Broekhuis
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Alexander Broekhuis <a....@gmail.com>.
Would it be an idea to have something like an announce@, specifically for
decisions that have been made (concerning all poddlings) after al the
discussions on the general@ list?
With all the discussions her, it is indeed difficult to keep track of what
is changed.
2012/1/19 ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
> I don't think so, and someone asked this a while back and didn't get an
> answer.
>
> As an alternative, you could send a [NOTICE] type email to general@
> which all poddlings are supposed to be watching. Thats likely to get
> lost in the flood of other messages so what we could do is set up a
> new dev list for the Incubator where we can shout at each other about
> process etc and keep general@ just for things that need to be
> communicated with poddlings.
>
> ...ant
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for
> podlings?
> >
> > I'd like to inform them of the changes to
> >
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
I don't think so, and someone asked this a while back and didn't get an answer.
As an alternative, you could send a [NOTICE] type email to general@
which all poddlings are supposed to be watching. Thats likely to get
lost in the flood of other messages so what we could do is set up a
new dev list for the Incubator where we can shout at each other about
process etc and keep general@ just for things that need to be
communicated with poddlings.
...ant
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
>
> I'd like to inform them of the changes to
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
David Crossley wrote on Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 09:07:51 +1100:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> >
> > We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
>
> I see some troubles with a ppmcs alias.
>
> When messages are sent to such an alias, then there needs
> to be a place to follow-up. Suppose that would be general@
>
Related: the policy for committers@ is that all messages should have
Reply-to set.
> How to keep the alias maintained. The set of podlings
> is always changing.
At the moment, mailing lists and alias definitions are managed in the
same place, so defining one based on the other isn't impossible. But
anyone who sends to a hypothetical ppmcs@incubator alias would undergo
moderation _in each list separately_.
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
> We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
I see some troubles with a ppmcs alias.
When messages are sent to such an alias, then there needs
to be a place to follow-up. Suppose that would be general@
How to keep the alias maintained. The set of podlings
is always changing. The lists are actively gathered
and verified by Clutch:
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#data
See report_due_[1-3].txt
-David
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Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have pmcs@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings?
>
> I'd like to inform them of the changes to
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
The first question is "which lists?" See the following for an
inventory cross-checked against podling status:
https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/private-lists
Based on the answer, I can set up a one time alias. I just don't want
to sign up the infrastructure team for maintenance unless there is a
recurring need.
> -Bertrand
- Sam Ruby
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