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Posted to ivy-user@ant.apache.org by Jim Newsham <jn...@referentia.com> on 2009/07/07 00:58:48 UTC
Re: is ivy dead?
I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported months
ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity... regardless of
priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question is:
Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the development
cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How quickly
are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
fixed/released in a maintenance release?
It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues that
I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
community's benefit.
Jim
The issues that I've run into are: retrieve with "sync" is broken
(IVY-1044); cleancache sometimes does NOT clean the cache (IVY-1080).
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Alex Zhukov wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I opened a critical bug http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
> IVY-1087 on June 2, no reaction from developers. On June 15 I
> increased the priority to Blocker, still no reaction from
> developers. Can some one tell me if ivy project is dead or
> developers are not interested in maintaining it any more?
This is an open source project. Sometimes activity is high, sometimes
not so high. Developers are on holidays or have a stressful time with
their day time project. Whatever.
And obviously, looking at the mailing list you are using, this project
seems to be busy and far from dead. I can understand that it is
sometimes frustrating that an important issue is not fixed. But I
think it is not a nice style to play with the 'Is this project dead?'
phrase to raise attention for an issue. This is mud-slinging. I think
the fact that within the period of three weeks no one has commented on
a certain issue does not justify this at all.
RE: is ivy dead?
Posted by Shawn Castrianni <Sh...@halliburton.com>.
Yeah, like some grunt like me has anything to do with the corporate practices of my company. Give me a break.
---
Shawn Castrianni
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Glatz [mailto:jdglatz@containerstore.com]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:42 PM
To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
Subject: RE: is ivy dead?
interesting, since you work for Halliburton and they've stolen billions
of dollars, i suppose the US taxpayer would be footing that bill...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Castrianni [mailto:Shawn.Castrianni@halliburton.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:26 PM
> To: 'ivy-user@ant.apache.org'
> Subject: RE: is ivy dead?
>
> I use ivy for my job and, therefore, any urgent issue or enhancement
> can be resolved by offering paid development from the company's budget
> to any of the ivy committers. I am sure any of the ivy committers
> would like to make some extra money.
>
> ---
> Shawn Castrianni
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maarten Coene [mailto:maarten_coene@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:12 PM
> To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
> Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I understand your frustration. I have the same feeling when I report
> issues to some commercial products and never get a response.
> But please keep in mind that Ivy is not a commercial product. The
> developers of Ivy are not paid by Apache for their work on Ivy. This
> means we do fix some bugs, commit some new features when we have some
> free time to work on it.
>
> I can only speek for myself, but the last couple of months I didn't
had
> much free time left to work on Ivy. But I'm confident this will
improve
> in the near future...
>
> regards,
> Maarten
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Newsham <jn...@referentia.com>
> To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:58:48 AM
> Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
>
>
> I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported
> months
> ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity...
> regardless of
> priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question
> is:
> Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the
> development
> cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How
> quickly
> are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
> fixed/released in a maintenance release?
>
> It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues
> that
> I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
> community's benefit.
>
> Jim
>
> The issues that I've run into are: retrieve with "sync" is broken
> (IVY-1044); cleancache sometimes does NOT clean the cache (IVY-1080).
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Alex Zhukov wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I opened a critical bug http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
> > IVY-1087 on June 2, no reaction from developers. On June 15 I
> > increased the priority to Blocker, still no reaction from
> > developers. Can some one tell me if ivy project is dead or
> > developers are not interested in maintaining it any more?
>
> This is an open source project. Sometimes activity is high, sometimes
> not so high. Developers are on holidays or have a stressful time with
> their day time project. Whatever.
>
> And obviously, looking at the mailing list you are using, this project
> seems to be busy and far from dead. I can understand that it is
> sometimes frustrating that an important issue is not fixed. But I
> think it is not a nice style to play with the 'Is this project dead?'
> phrase to raise attention for an issue. This is mud-slinging. I think
> the fact that within the period of three weeks no one has commented on
> a certain issue does not justify this at all.
>
>
>
>
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Re: is ivy dead?
Posted by Joshua Tharp <jo...@alumni.calpoly.edu>.
Get lost Jeff.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jeff Glatz <jd...@containerstore.com>wrote:
> interesting, since you work for Halliburton and they've stolen billions
> of dollars, i suppose the US taxpayer would be footing that bill...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shawn Castrianni [mailto:Shawn.Castrianni@halliburton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:26 PM
> > To: 'ivy-user@ant.apache.org'
> > Subject: RE: is ivy dead?
> >
> > I use ivy for my job and, therefore, any urgent issue or enhancement
> > can be resolved by offering paid development from the company's budget
> > to any of the ivy committers. I am sure any of the ivy committers
> > would like to make some extra money.
> >
> > ---
> > Shawn Castrianni
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maarten Coene [mailto:maarten_coene@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:12 PM
> > To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
> >
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I understand your frustration. I have the same feeling when I report
> > issues to some commercial products and never get a response.
> > But please keep in mind that Ivy is not a commercial product. The
> > developers of Ivy are not paid by Apache for their work on Ivy. This
> > means we do fix some bugs, commit some new features when we have some
> > free time to work on it.
> >
> > I can only speek for myself, but the last couple of months I didn't
> had
> > much free time left to work on Ivy. But I'm confident this will
> improve
> > in the near future...
> >
> > regards,
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jim Newsham <jn...@referentia.com>
> > To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:58:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
> >
> >
> > I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported
> > months
> > ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity...
> > regardless of
> > priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question
> > is:
> > Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the
> > development
> > cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How
> > quickly
> > are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
> > fixed/released in a maintenance release?
> >
> > It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues
> > that
> > I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
> > community's benefit.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > The issues that I've run into are: retrieve with "sync" is broken
> > (IVY-1044); cleancache sometimes does NOT clean the cache (IVY-1080).
> >
> >
> > On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Alex Zhukov wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I opened a critical bug http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
> > > IVY-1087 on June 2, no reaction from developers. On June 15 I
> > > increased the priority to Blocker, still no reaction from
> > > developers. Can some one tell me if ivy project is dead or
> > > developers are not interested in maintaining it any more?
> >
> > This is an open source project. Sometimes activity is high, sometimes
> > not so high. Developers are on holidays or have a stressful time with
> > their day time project. Whatever.
> >
> > And obviously, looking at the mailing list you are using, this project
> > seems to be busy and far from dead. I can understand that it is
> > sometimes frustrating that an important issue is not fixed. But I
> > think it is not a nice style to play with the 'Is this project dead?'
> > phrase to raise attention for an issue. This is mud-slinging. I think
> > the fact that within the period of three weeks no one has commented on
> > a certain issue does not justify this at all.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential
> and
> > privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient.
> Any
> > review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly
> > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to
> > receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the
> > sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.
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RE: is ivy dead?
Posted by Jeff Glatz <jd...@containerstore.com>.
interesting, since you work for Halliburton and they've stolen billions
of dollars, i suppose the US taxpayer would be footing that bill...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Castrianni [mailto:Shawn.Castrianni@halliburton.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:26 PM
> To: 'ivy-user@ant.apache.org'
> Subject: RE: is ivy dead?
>
> I use ivy for my job and, therefore, any urgent issue or enhancement
> can be resolved by offering paid development from the company's budget
> to any of the ivy committers. I am sure any of the ivy committers
> would like to make some extra money.
>
> ---
> Shawn Castrianni
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maarten Coene [mailto:maarten_coene@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:12 PM
> To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
> Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I understand your frustration. I have the same feeling when I report
> issues to some commercial products and never get a response.
> But please keep in mind that Ivy is not a commercial product. The
> developers of Ivy are not paid by Apache for their work on Ivy. This
> means we do fix some bugs, commit some new features when we have some
> free time to work on it.
>
> I can only speek for myself, but the last couple of months I didn't
had
> much free time left to work on Ivy. But I'm confident this will
improve
> in the near future...
>
> regards,
> Maarten
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Newsham <jn...@referentia.com>
> To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:58:48 AM
> Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
>
>
> I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported
> months
> ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity...
> regardless of
> priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question
> is:
> Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the
> development
> cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How
> quickly
> are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
> fixed/released in a maintenance release?
>
> It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues
> that
> I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
> community's benefit.
>
> Jim
>
> The issues that I've run into are: retrieve with "sync" is broken
> (IVY-1044); cleancache sometimes does NOT clean the cache (IVY-1080).
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Alex Zhukov wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I opened a critical bug http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
> > IVY-1087 on June 2, no reaction from developers. On June 15 I
> > increased the priority to Blocker, still no reaction from
> > developers. Can some one tell me if ivy project is dead or
> > developers are not interested in maintaining it any more?
>
> This is an open source project. Sometimes activity is high, sometimes
> not so high. Developers are on holidays or have a stressful time with
> their day time project. Whatever.
>
> And obviously, looking at the mailing list you are using, this project
> seems to be busy and far from dead. I can understand that it is
> sometimes frustrating that an important issue is not fixed. But I
> think it is not a nice style to play with the 'Is this project dead?'
> phrase to raise attention for an issue. This is mud-slinging. I think
> the fact that within the period of three weeks no one has commented on
> a certain issue does not justify this at all.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential
and
> privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient.
Any
> review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly
> prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to
> receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the
> sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.
########################################################################
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RE: is ivy dead?
Posted by Shawn Castrianni <Sh...@halliburton.com>.
I use ivy for my job and, therefore, any urgent issue or enhancement can be resolved by offering paid development from the company's budget to any of the ivy committers. I am sure any of the ivy committers would like to make some extra money.
---
Shawn Castrianni
-----Original Message-----
From: Maarten Coene [mailto:maarten_coene@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:12 PM
To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
Hi Jim,
I understand your frustration. I have the same feeling when I report issues to some commercial products and never get a response.
But please keep in mind that Ivy is not a commercial product. The developers of Ivy are not paid by Apache for their work on Ivy. This means we do fix some bugs, commit some new features when we have some free time to work on it.
I can only speek for myself, but the last couple of months I didn't had much free time left to work on Ivy. But I'm confident this will improve in the near future...
regards,
Maarten
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Newsham <jn...@referentia.com>
To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:58:48 AM
Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported months
ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity... regardless of
priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question is:
Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the development
cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How quickly
are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
fixed/released in a maintenance release?
It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues that
I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
community's benefit.
Jim
The issues that I've run into are: retrieve with "sync" is broken
(IVY-1044); cleancache sometimes does NOT clean the cache (IVY-1080).
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Alex Zhukov wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I opened a critical bug http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
> IVY-1087 on June 2, no reaction from developers. On June 15 I
> increased the priority to Blocker, still no reaction from
> developers. Can some one tell me if ivy project is dead or
> developers are not interested in maintaining it any more?
This is an open source project. Sometimes activity is high, sometimes
not so high. Developers are on holidays or have a stressful time with
their day time project. Whatever.
And obviously, looking at the mailing list you are using, this project
seems to be busy and far from dead. I can understand that it is
sometimes frustrating that an important issue is not fixed. But I
think it is not a nice style to play with the 'Is this project dead?'
phrase to raise attention for an issue. This is mud-slinging. I think
the fact that within the period of three weeks no one has commented on
a certain issue does not justify this at all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.
Re: is ivy dead?
Posted by Maarten Coene <ma...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Jim,
I understand your frustration. I have the same feeling when I report issues to some commercial products and never get a response.
But please keep in mind that Ivy is not a commercial product. The developers of Ivy are not paid by Apache for their work on Ivy. This means we do fix some bugs, commit some new features when we have some free time to work on it.
I can only speek for myself, but the last couple of months I didn't had much free time left to work on Ivy. But I'm confident this will improve in the near future...
regards,
Maarten
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Newsham <jn...@referentia.com>
To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:58:48 AM
Subject: Re: is ivy dead?
I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported months
ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity... regardless of
priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question is:
Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the development
cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How quickly
are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
fixed/released in a maintenance release?
It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues that
I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
community's benefit.
Jim
The issues that I've run into are: retrieve with "sync" is broken
(IVY-1044); cleancache sometimes does NOT clean the cache (IVY-1080).
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Alex Zhukov wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I opened a critical bug http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
> IVY-1087 on June 2, no reaction from developers. On June 15 I
> increased the priority to Blocker, still no reaction from
> developers. Can some one tell me if ivy project is dead or
> developers are not interested in maintaining it any more?
This is an open source project. Sometimes activity is high, sometimes
not so high. Developers are on holidays or have a stressful time with
their day time project. Whatever.
And obviously, looking at the mailing list you are using, this project
seems to be busy and far from dead. I can understand that it is
sometimes frustrating that an important issue is not fixed. But I
think it is not a nice style to play with the 'Is this project dead?'
phrase to raise attention for an issue. This is mud-slinging. I think
the fact that within the period of three weeks no one has commented on
a certain issue does not justify this at all.
Re: is ivy dead?
Posted by Tom Widmer <to...@googlemail.com>.
Jim Newsham wrote:
>
> I share the same frustration. It seems that bugs which were reported months
> ago have no assigned owner, no evaluation, and no activity... regardless of
> priority level. Maybe a more sensitive way of rephrasing the question is:
> Is ivy being actively developed and maintained? What is the development
> cycle? Are maintenance fixes being made to released versions? How quickly
> are bugs evaluated? How quickly can we expect a major bug to be
> fixed/released in a maintenance release?
>
> It's not that I feel a need to draw attention to the particular issues that
> I'm experiencing. I've learned to work around those. It's for the
> community's benefit.
I think the community is too small currently to have good answers to
those questions. To expand the community, more people need to help fix
bugs rather than just reporting them...
Tom