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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Ghazi TRIKI <gh...@gmail.com> on 2013/02/14 08:18:17 UTC
Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Hi,
About three years ago I started new Flex localisation; ar_TN; arabic
locales. I had a private folder inside Flex svn sandox folder. Then I
stopped the translation due to lack of time. The translation progress is
about 60% overall. Does Apache Flex community have a developper having
arabic as mother tongue to continue the translation together and review it
? What are conditions to accept these locales inside Apache Flex repository
?
The actual translation progress can be found here :
https://github.com/LionArt/Flex-SDK-Arabic-Locales
Thanks,
Ghazi Triki
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Paul Hastings <pa...@gmail.com>.
On 2/15/2013 4:30 PM, Ghazi TRIKI wrote:
> Please do not hesitate to contact Arabic native speakers to help us.
contacted 3 people this morning, so far nothing back one way or the other. i'll
make a public request to the cf community in a bit, maybe some peer pressure
will help ;-)
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Ghazi TRIKI <gh...@gmail.com>.
I added a JIRA issue for this task
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33396
I also uploaded translated file and added a comment containing the overall
progress for each file. I have an excel file containing technical words
translated to Arabic ( like Class, Property, Field....; they are not easy
to translate ).
I confirm that software translators are not worth translating technical
phrases. Sometimes I obtained non-sense words !!!
Please do not hesitate to contact Arabic native speakers to help us.
Ghazi Triki
Thanks
2013/2/15 Paul Hastings <pa...@gmail.com>
> On 2/15/2013 12:55 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
>
> Even some stuff I've purchased from overseas that I think was
>> human-translated has had some funny results. Have you seen engrish.com?
>>
>
> yup but most of those are actually machine translations. ditto for most
> sub-titles in DVDs, etc. these days for smaller market languages.
>
>
> btw i'm wondering if apache itself doesn't have some folks to help with
>>> this?
>>>
>>
> Apache is all-volunteer. I haven't looked to see if other Apache projects
>> have arabic translations, but there is nobody dedicated across projects
>> AFAIK.
>>
>
> maybe flex needs something like (review standards?):
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs-**project/translations.html<http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html>
>
>
>
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Paul Hastings <pa...@gmail.com>.
On 2/15/2013 12:55 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> Even some stuff I've purchased from overseas that I think was
> human-translated has had some funny results. Have you seen engrish.com?
yup but most of those are actually machine translations. ditto for most
sub-titles in DVDs, etc. these days for smaller market languages.
>> btw i'm wondering if apache itself doesn't have some folks to help with this?
> Apache is all-volunteer. I haven't looked to see if other Apache projects
> have arabic translations, but there is nobody dedicated across projects
> AFAIK.
maybe flex needs something like (review standards?):
http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 2/14/13 9:21 PM, "Paul Hastings" <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/15/2013 11:29 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>>> hope your gibberish translator is working ;-)
>
>> My review would have consisted of making sure there weren't any naughty
>> words :-)
>
> good luck w/that ;-) most currently available machine translators are only
> good
> for a word or a simple phrase (though most will do a better job w/western
> european languages than others).
>
> a friend of mine commenting on the current governor's race (in thai)...
>
> machine translation:
> "Bangkok is going to continue what's much more in the future. Candidate as
> Governor What about people with knowledge, understanding and ideas?"
>
> human translation:
> "what is Bangkok's future going to be? what are the gubernatorial candidates
> ideas & understanding of Bangkok's future?"
>
> when we get bored in the office, somebody will liven things up a bit by
> round-tripping some current meme thru google translator a few times.
>
> so yeah, don't use machine translators to do your localization.
Even some stuff I've purchased from overseas that I think was
human-translated has had some funny results. Have you seen engrish.com?
>
>
> btw i'm wondering if apache itself doesn't have some folks to help with this?
Apache is all-volunteer. I haven't looked to see if other Apache projects
have arabic translations, but there is nobody dedicated across projects
AFAIK.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Paul Hastings <pa...@gmail.com>.
On 2/15/2013 11:29 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>> hope your gibberish translator is working ;-)
> My review would have consisted of making sure there weren't any naughty
> words :-)
good luck w/that ;-) most currently available machine translators are only good
for a word or a simple phrase (though most will do a better job w/western
european languages than others).
a friend of mine commenting on the current governor's race (in thai)...
machine translation:
"Bangkok is going to continue what's much more in the future. Candidate as
Governor What about people with knowledge, understanding and ideas?"
human translation:
"what is Bangkok's future going to be? what are the gubernatorial candidates
ideas & understanding of Bangkok's future?"
when we get bored in the office, somebody will liven things up a bit by
round-tripping some current meme thru google translator a few times.
so yeah, don't use machine translators to do your localization.
btw i'm wondering if apache itself doesn't have some folks to help with this?
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 2/14/13 6:52 PM, "Paul Hastings" <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/15/2013 12:33 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>> I suppose we could try reviewing it by seeing if a BabelFish service can
>> translate it to English just to make sure there are no obvious issues.
>
> hope your gibberish translator is working ;-)
My review would have consisted of making sure there weren't any naughty
words :-)
>
> maybe better to ask for volunteer arabic speakers to review rather than rely
> on
> machine translation (especially for complex phrases\sentences). i know a few
> arabic speakers from the cf community, i'll point them at the jira issue once
> it
> appears & try to get them to review.
Sounds good, thanks Paul.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Paul Hastings <pa...@gmail.com>.
On 2/15/2013 12:33 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> I suppose we could try reviewing it by seeing if a BabelFish service can
> translate it to English just to make sure there are no obvious issues.
hope your gibberish translator is working ;-)
maybe better to ask for volunteer arabic speakers to review rather than rely on
machine translation (especially for complex phrases\sentences). i know a few
arabic speakers from the cf community, i'll point them at the jira issue once it
appears & try to get them to review.
Re: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Ghazi TRIKI <gh...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Good to know. I will try to keep locales updated till I finish them using
JIRA. Of course I will fill donate code to the Flex project. Hope I can
finish them quickly.
Ghazi Triki
Thanks
2013/2/14 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>
> I don't think any of our committers know Arabic well enough to review. If
> you want to donate a locale, I think you have to:
>
> 1) Fill out an ICLA http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
> 2) Add the .properties files to JIRA issue
>
> I suppose we could try reviewing it by seeing if a BabelFish service can
> translate it to English just to make sure there are no obvious issues.
>
> And if you continue to provide updates to the locale via JIRA, we will
> explore the possibility of making you a committer so you can directly make
> changes to the files in SVN.
>
> Alex Harui
> Apache Flex Team
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ghazi TRIKI [mailto:ghazi.nocturne@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:18 PM
> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > Subject: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > About three years ago I started new Flex localisation; ar_TN; arabic
> > locales. I had a private folder inside Flex svn sandox folder. Then I
> > stopped the translation due to lack of time. The translation progress is
> > about 60% overall. Does Apache Flex community have a developper having
> > arabic as mother tongue to continue the translation together and review
> it
> > ? What are conditions to accept these locales inside Apache Flex
> > repository ?
> >
> > The actual translation progress can be found here :
> > https://github.com/LionArt/Flex-SDK-Arabic-Locales
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ghazi Triki
>
RE: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
I don't think any of our committers know Arabic well enough to review. If you want to donate a locale, I think you have to:
1) Fill out an ICLA http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
2) Add the .properties files to JIRA issue
I suppose we could try reviewing it by seeing if a BabelFish service can translate it to English just to make sure there are no obvious issues.
And if you continue to provide updates to the locale via JIRA, we will explore the possibility of making you a committer so you can directly make changes to the files in SVN.
Alex Harui
Apache Flex Team
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ghazi TRIKI [mailto:ghazi.nocturne@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:18 PM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Apache Flex Arabic Locales
>
> Hi,
>
> About three years ago I started new Flex localisation; ar_TN; arabic
> locales. I had a private folder inside Flex svn sandox folder. Then I
> stopped the translation due to lack of time. The translation progress is
> about 60% overall. Does Apache Flex community have a developper having
> arabic as mother tongue to continue the translation together and review it
> ? What are conditions to accept these locales inside Apache Flex
> repository ?
>
> The actual translation progress can be found here :
> https://github.com/LionArt/Flex-SDK-Arabic-Locales
>
> Thanks,
> Ghazi Triki