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new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
mobiliar is the oldest private insuance company in switzerland with
about 4000 employees and 1.3M customers.
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>IMHO, hidding the name of the tools is good. ie: Nobody will likes if a
>word processor or printer writes a footer on every document:
>
>"Printed using HP XXX printer" or "OpenOffice Writer 1.1.4 Document"
>
>And IMHO this is why we don't push the Apache Lenya name in a visible place.
>
>
agreed. If people want to add "powered by Apache Lenya", then this
great, but
we shouldn't "force" them.
Michi
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
On Jue, 7 de Abril de 2005, 7:10, Andreas Buerki dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>>On Jue, 7 de Abril de 2005, 4:25, Andreas Buerki dijo:
>>
>>
>>>Good testimonial! ...and of course, I love the language switch :-)
>>>
>>>1.
>>>As newbie, I check very often accessibility / standards of a website,
>>>e.g. with:
>>>http://validator.w3.org/
>>>or/and
>>>http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>>>
>>>With mobi.ch it showed me, that a few points would need to be improved
>>>in order to fulfill the w3 standards. But maybe this issue is not at all
>>>relevant for this website and it's easy access by visual impaired
>>>persons. I don't know. - As well in case Lenya is not responsible for
>>>the design (css, html, xhtml, etc.), it is still a Lenya reference.
>>>
>>>2.
>>>As well I check with my browser (firefox) the page ("Seitenquelltext
>>>anzeigen" = page source code?) in order to learn. Some CMS write their
>>>tag lines (advertising statement) very prominently at this place (e.g.
>>>Typo3), not a bad idea from a branding point of view.
>>>
>>>Would it be worth, the Lenya team thinks about decent branding of his
>>>work made? E.g.: - in the page source code. Or / And: - in the imprint /
>>>flag (Impressum) of the site. Or / And: - at the bottom of the site,
>>>like a quality tag ("Enabled by Lenya" or "Lenya serves content" etc.).
>>>-> Improvement of brand recognition
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Checking the sources we see:
>>
>><meta content="Apache Lenya" name="Generator">
>>
>>and on the http response headers, we read:
>>
>>X-Cocoon-Version: 2.1.6
>>
>>Simply, great! :-D
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Antonio Gallardo
>>
>>
> Agree Antonio, it's there and an IT-Professional will know, what it is.
> My point was more towards a claim, understandable for everybody, e.g.:
>
> <!--
> This website is brought to you by TYPO3 - get.content.right
> TYPO3 is a free open source Content Management Framework created by
> Kasper Skaarhoj and licensed under GNU/GPL.
> TYPO3 is copyright 1998-2004 of Kasper Skaarhoj. Extensions are copyright
> of their respective owners.
> Information and contribution at http://www.typo3.com
> -->
>
> BTW: Maybe the Lenya Team / Apache Foundation thinks about some sort of
> a claim or of claims for their product families, as permanent and
> understandable branding strengthen the open source community and the
> public awareness as well.
>
> Coming back to the sources, onward you find as well:
>
> </style>
> <title>Content Management - TYPO3</title>
>
> <meta name="generator" content="TYPO3 3.8 CMS" />
>
> BTW: Did the Typo3 guys mistake meta name for content?
No sure, I see the diference: "generator" != "Generator" perhaps we need
to do a small research about the right meta name.
IMHO, hidding the name of the tools is good. ie: Nobody will likes if a
word processor or printer writes a footer on every document:
"Printed using HP XXX printer" or "OpenOffice Writer 1.1.4 Document"
And IMHO this is why we don't push the Apache Lenya name in a visible place.
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo.
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Andreas Buerki <ab...@anidor.com>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>On Jue, 7 de Abril de 2005, 4:25, Andreas Buerki dijo:
>
>
>>Good testimonial! ...and of course, I love the language switch :-)
>>
>>1.
>>As newbie, I check very often accessibility / standards of a website,
>>e.g. with:
>>http://validator.w3.org/
>>or/and
>>http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>>
>>With mobi.ch it showed me, that a few points would need to be improved
>>in order to fulfill the w3 standards. But maybe this issue is not at all
>>relevant for this website and it's easy access by visual impaired
>>persons. I don't know. - As well in case Lenya is not responsible for
>>the design (css, html, xhtml, etc.), it is still a Lenya reference.
>>
>>2.
>>As well I check with my browser (firefox) the page ("Seitenquelltext
>>anzeigen" = page source code?) in order to learn. Some CMS write their
>>tag lines (advertising statement) very prominently at this place (e.g.
>>Typo3), not a bad idea from a branding point of view.
>>
>>Would it be worth, the Lenya team thinks about decent branding of his
>>work made? E.g.: - in the page source code. Or / And: - in the imprint /
>>flag (Impressum) of the site. Or / And: - at the bottom of the site,
>>like a quality tag ("Enabled by Lenya" or "Lenya serves content" etc.).
>>-> Improvement of brand recognition
>>
>>
>
>Checking the sources we see:
>
><meta content="Apache Lenya" name="Generator">
>
>and on the http response headers, we read:
>
>X-Cocoon-Version: 2.1.6
>
>Simply, great! :-D
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Antonio Gallardo
>
>
Agree Antonio, it's there and an IT-Professional will know, what it is.
My point was more towards a claim, understandable for everybody, e.g.:
<!--
This website is brought to you by TYPO3 - get.content.right
TYPO3 is a free open source Content Management Framework created by Kasper Skaarhoj and licensed under GNU/GPL.
TYPO3 is copyright 1998-2004 of Kasper Skaarhoj. Extensions are copyright of their respective owners.
Information and contribution at http://www.typo3.com
-->
BTW: Maybe the Lenya Team / Apache Foundation thinks about some sort of
a claim or of claims for their product families, as permanent and
understandable branding strengthen the open source community and the
public awareness as well.
Coming back to the sources, onward you find as well:
</style>
<title>Content Management - TYPO3</title>
<meta name="generator" content="TYPO3 3.8 CMS" />
BTW: Did the Typo3 guys mistake meta name for content?
Sincerely
Andreas
PS I'm not a Typo3 enthusiast nor supporter... ;-)
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
On Jue, 7 de Abril de 2005, 4:25, Andreas Buerki dijo:
> Good testimonial! ...and of course, I love the language switch :-)
>
> 1.
> As newbie, I check very often accessibility / standards of a website,
> e.g. with:
> http://validator.w3.org/
> or/and
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>
> With mobi.ch it showed me, that a few points would need to be improved
> in order to fulfill the w3 standards. But maybe this issue is not at all
> relevant for this website and it's easy access by visual impaired
> persons. I don't know. - As well in case Lenya is not responsible for
> the design (css, html, xhtml, etc.), it is still a Lenya reference.
>
> 2.
> As well I check with my browser (firefox) the page ("Seitenquelltext
> anzeigen" = page source code?) in order to learn. Some CMS write their
> tag lines (advertising statement) very prominently at this place (e.g.
> Typo3), not a bad idea from a branding point of view.
>
> Would it be worth, the Lenya team thinks about decent branding of his
> work made? E.g.: - in the page source code. Or / And: - in the imprint /
> flag (Impressum) of the site. Or / And: - at the bottom of the site,
> like a quality tag ("Enabled by Lenya" or "Lenya serves content" etc.).
> -> Improvement of brand recognition
Checking the sources we see:
<meta content="Apache Lenya" name="Generator">
and on the http response headers, we read:
X-Cocoon-Version: 2.1.6
Simply, great! :-D
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Andreas Buerki <ab...@anidor.com>.
Good testimonial! ...and of course, I love the language switch :-)
1.
As newbie, I check very often accessibility / standards of a website,
e.g. with:
http://validator.w3.org/
or/and
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
With mobi.ch it showed me, that a few points would need to be improved
in order to fulfill the w3 standards. But maybe this issue is not at all
relevant for this website and it's easy access by visual impaired
persons. I don't know. - As well in case Lenya is not responsible for
the design (css, html, xhtml, etc.), it is still a Lenya reference.
2.
As well I check with my browser (firefox) the page ("Seitenquelltext
anzeigen" = page source code?) in order to learn. Some CMS write their
tag lines (advertising statement) very prominently at this place (e.g.
Typo3), not a bad idea from a branding point of view.
Would it be worth, the Lenya team thinks about decent branding of his
work made? E.g.: - in the page source code. Or / And: - in the imprint /
flag (Impressum) of the site. Or / And: - at the bottom of the site,
like a quality tag ("Enabled by Lenya" or "Lenya serves content" etc.).
-> Improvement of brand recognition
Andreas
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>On Mie, 6 de Abril de 2005, 16:38, Gregor J. Rothfuss dijo:
>
>
>>http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
>>
>>mobiliar is the oldest private insuance company in switzerland with
>>about 4000 employees and 1.3M customers.
>>
>>
>
>Congrats!
>
>Glad to see this working. ;-)
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Antonio Gallardo
>
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
On Mie, 6 de Abril de 2005, 16:38, Gregor J. Rothfuss dijo:
> http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
>
> mobiliar is the oldest private insuance company in switzerland with
> about 4000 employees and 1.3M customers.
Congrats!
Glad to see this working. ;-)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Jann Forrer wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 josias@wyona.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Hoi Gregor
>>>
>>>"Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Schöne Seite!
>>>
>>>Im Seitencode steht aber oft noch die folgende directory-Struktur:
>>>
>>>href="/lenya/unizh/authoring/.."
>>>
>>>
>>Actually I fixed this quite some time ago, but it seems they didn't deploy
>>the new release yet.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Probably the unicms publiction has been used to develop the site. By the
>way why do all URL looks like
>http://www.mobi.ch/lenya/mobiliar/live/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html
>and not
>http://www.mobi.ch/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html ?
>(i.e. get rid of /context/pubname/area/ )
>
>
this should actually change in the near future.
>We had this problem too with a lenya version < 1.2.2 but it works quite
>well now see e.g. http://www.biologie.unizh.ch wich by the way is a new
>lenya site, too :-)
>
>
can you post your configuration (mod_proxy, etc.) or is this still
uptodate re the Wiki?
Michi
>Jann
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Jann Forrer <ja...@id.unizh.ch>.
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Michael Wechner wrote:
> Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
>
> >
> > this makes me wonder if we should list all sites from the universities
> > of zurich and berne. they have dozens of publications live between
> > them. what do people think?
>
>
> I would suggest that we make a note about it, but I don't think it makes
> sense to list all subsites.
>
You can find the Univerisity of Zuerich Sites which are produced whith
lenya on:
http://www.unicms.unizh.ch/docu/live-pubs.html
Additionally we have about 45 Sites which are not yet live but under
construction.
Jann
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
>
> this makes me wonder if we should list all sites from the universities
> of zurich and berne. they have dozens of publications live between
> them. what do people think?
I would suggest that we make a note about it, but I don't think it makes
sense to list all subsites.
Michi
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
> Jann Forrer wrote:
>
>> By the
>> way why do all URL looks like
>> http://www.mobi.ch/lenya/mobiliar/live/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html
>>
>> and not
>> http://www.mobi.ch/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html ?
>> (i.e. get rid of /context/pubname/area/ )
i wonder that too, but at the same time, this makes it pretty easy to
tell that it is a lenya site ;)
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Andreas Buerki wrote:
>
> My attitude is simple: If I'm proud about something, in this case the
> OpenSource CMS Lenya, I say it and I stick to it. Like: "Hey look, I
> use a bloody good cms, it's open source, it's Apache Lenya!"
well, proud can have a different meaning for "big" companies ;-)
Michi
>
> Andreas
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Andreas Buerki <ab...@anidor.com>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Jann Forrer wrote:
>
>> Probably the unicms publiction has been used to develop the site. By the
>> way why do all URL looks like
>> http://www.mobi.ch/lenya/mobiliar/live/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html
>>
>> and not
>> http://www.mobi.ch/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html ?
>> (i.e. get rid of /context/pubname/area/ )
>>
>> We had this problem too with a lenya version < 1.2.2 but it works quite
>> well now see e.g. http://www.biologie.unizh.ch wich by the way is a new
>> lenya site, too :-)
>
>
> this makes me wonder if we should list all sites from the universities
> of zurich and berne. they have dozens of publications live between
> them. what do people think?
>
As a marketer, I still think the same as written in my earlier postings:
1 - Some kind of branding, on a unsolicited base, on the
"Seitenquelltext" and/or on the Internet site as such.
2 - A structured reference list on the official Apache Lenya homepage
(and others "semi" official pages). Structure: E.g.
Universities/Colleges | NGO's/Non-Profit O | Multinational Companies
| SME's etc.
My attitude is simple: If I'm proud about something, in this case the
OpenSource CMS Lenya, I say it and I stick to it. Like: "Hey look, I
use a bloody good cms, it's open source, it's Apache Lenya!"
Andreas
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Jann Forrer wrote:
> Probably the unicms publiction has been used to develop the site. By the
> way why do all URL looks like
> http://www.mobi.ch/lenya/mobiliar/live/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html
> and not
> http://www.mobi.ch/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html ?
> (i.e. get rid of /context/pubname/area/ )
>
> We had this problem too with a lenya version < 1.2.2 but it works quite
> well now see e.g. http://www.biologie.unizh.ch wich by the way is a new
> lenya site, too :-)
this makes me wonder if we should list all sites from the universities
of zurich and berne. they have dozens of publications live between them.
what do people think?
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Jann Forrer <ja...@id.unizh.ch>.
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 josias@wyona.com wrote:
> > Hoi Gregor
> >
> > "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> writes:
> >
> >> http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
> >
> > Schöne Seite!
> >
> > Im Seitencode steht aber oft noch die folgende directory-Struktur:
> >
> > href="/lenya/unizh/authoring/.."
>
> Actually I fixed this quite some time ago, but it seems they didn't deploy
> the new release yet.
>
Probably the unicms publiction has been used to develop the site. By the
way why do all URL looks like
http://www.mobi.ch/lenya/mobiliar/live/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html
and not
http://www.mobi.ch/diemobiliar/portrait/geschichte/m-203001.html ?
(i.e. get rid of /context/pubname/area/ )
We had this problem too with a lenya version < 1.2.2 but it works quite
well now see e.g. http://www.biologie.unizh.ch wich by the way is a new
lenya site, too :-)
Jann
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by jo...@wyona.com.
> Hoi Gregor
>
> "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> writes:
>
>> http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
>
> Schöne Seite!
>
> Im Seitencode steht aber oft noch die folgende directory-Struktur:
>
> href="/lenya/unizh/authoring/.."
Actually I fixed this quite some time ago, but it seems they didn't deploy
the new release yet.
Josias
>
> Ich weiss nicht ob die Mobi-Manager damit so glücklich sind...
>
> Gruss Tinu
>
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Re: new lenya live site: mobiliar insurance company
Posted by Martin Lüthi <lu...@gi.alaska.edu>.
Hoi Gregor
"Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> writes:
> http://www.mobi.ch recently went live with lenya.
Schöne Seite!
Im Seitencode steht aber oft noch die folgende directory-Struktur:
href="/lenya/unizh/authoring/.."
Ich weiss nicht ob die Mobi-Manager damit so glücklich sind...
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Renaud Richardet wrote:
> Same problem here, too. I'm missing an overview of Lenya and the
> default publication.
>
> I've put what I've understood so far in
> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/InsideLenyaPublication. You are very
> welcome to add / correct there.
>
>
>>And yeah, Jon L. 's articles have been a lot of hlp.
>
> Yes, thanks Jon
note that those articles are now on the site:
http://lenya.apache.org/1_2_x/tutorial/
it would probably be good to collect a list of articles that need to be
written..
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by Renaud Richardet <re...@gmail.com>.
Same problem here, too. I'm missing an overview of Lenya and the
default publication.
I've put what I've understood so far in
http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/InsideLenyaPublication. You are very
welcome to add / correct there.
> And yeah, Jon L. 's articles have been a lot of hlp.
Yes, thanks Jon
Renaud
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by Amna & Kiran <bo...@yahoo.com>.
Hi
Same problem here.
We wish to know how to make a pub from scratch or to learn how to import
content into lenya.
And yeah, Jon L. 's articles have been a lot of hlp.
Amna and Kiran.
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RE: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by "Todd H. Siegel" <ts...@globetel.net>.
I'll contribute my opinion as someone who just started looking at Lenya
yesterday.
It's obviously important to understand Cocoon in order to understand Lenya.
In the beginning it is sometimes hard to delineate Lenya concepts and Cocoon
concepts, but it becoming clearer. Also, having to consult two sets of
documentation makes learning Lenya that much harder.
Jonathan, I have read your articles. Yes, they are helpful. The comments
after the articles are also helpful.
What I would personally find helpful is a step-by-step doc that explains how
to build a publication from scratch. Copying the default pub and tinkering
with is good for getting up and running quickly, but I think building a pub
from nothing would help users to have a very deep understanding of Lenya in
a relatively short period. If I continue to evaluate and eventually use
Lenya maybe that can be my contribution.
Also, I think that descriptive comments in the config files (xmaps and such)
of the default pub is a very cheap and easy way to provide documenation.
It is easy to see the power of Lenya. Now the trick is now to learn to
harness it.
Todd
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From: Jonathan Linczak [mailto:linczakjw@hiram.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
On Apr 7, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Mike M. wrote:
> Jonathan Linczak <linczakjw <at> hiram.edu> writes:
>
>>
>> Mike, do any of the documents on my site help at all? The archive of
>> articles (the ones listed as Part 1, Part 2, etc.) is found here:
>> http://redarrow.textdrive.com/archives
>>
>> I'm curious whether articles like this are more of what you are
>> looking
>> for or if they too lack the overall ideas that you were alluding to.
>>
>
> Your articles helped a lot. Unfortunately, some of them came out too
> late for
> me :D. I hope your articles will become part of the lenya
> documentation in some
> way.
Sweet, there are plans to actually do this, so I was just trying to get
feedback and make sure that they were on par with what you were looking
for, because I suspect that many others are in the same boat. I don't
have quite the experience you have in Java, but it took me about a
month or so to really get a hang of it, and then afterwards it was a
general progression to find better ways of doing what I was already
doing. Reading about Cocoon first, however, was made the learning
process a lot easier, in my opinion. Best of luck!
Jon
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by Jonathan Linczak <li...@hiram.edu>.
On Apr 7, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Mike M. wrote:
> Jonathan Linczak <linczakjw <at> hiram.edu> writes:
>
>>
>> Mike, do any of the documents on my site help at all? The archive of
>> articles (the ones listed as Part 1, Part 2, etc.) is found here:
>> http://redarrow.textdrive.com/archives
>>
>> I'm curious whether articles like this are more of what you are
>> looking
>> for or if they too lack the overall ideas that you were alluding to.
>>
>
> Your articles helped a lot. Unfortunately, some of them came out too
> late for
> me :D. I hope your articles will become part of the lenya
> documentation in some
> way.
Sweet, there are plans to actually do this, so I was just trying to get
feedback and make sure that they were on par with what you were looking
for, because I suspect that many others are in the same boat. I don't
have quite the experience you have in Java, but it took me about a
month or so to really get a hang of it, and then afterwards it was a
general progression to find better ways of doing what I was already
doing. Reading about Cocoon first, however, was made the learning
process a lot easier, in my opinion. Best of luck!
Jon
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by "Mike M." <le...@mordent.com>.
Jonathan Linczak <linczakjw <at> hiram.edu> writes:
>
> Mike, do any of the documents on my site help at all? The archive of
> articles (the ones listed as Part 1, Part 2, etc.) is found here:
> http://redarrow.textdrive.com/archives
>
> I'm curious whether articles like this are more of what you are looking
> for or if they too lack the overall ideas that you were alluding to.
>
Your articles helped a lot. Unfortunately, some of them came out too late for
me :D. I hope your articles will become part of the lenya documentation in some
way.
-Mike
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by Jonathan Linczak <li...@hiram.edu>.
> It's hard to say. I'd have to go back and look in detail.
>
> But as far as the 1.2 docs go, the biggest thing for me is lack of a
> big
> picture. The doc hierarchy is a little odd too. It's more of a
> reference than
> a user manual. The first topic after Installation is Components, and
> inside
> there the first topic is Access, and in there there's lots of detail
> about
> access that doesn't tell me what the heck it's all for, or why I need
> to know
> this, or how it applies to configuring lenya. Throughout the doc
> there seems to
> be lots of detail without the "why do i need to know this" or "what
> does this
> do" or "big picture". There are lots of good details in there, but
> not enough
> about what they mean or how/why to use them.
>
> One of my plans when I finished getting our configuration set up was
> to go back
> and try to help out with some of the documentation (in my spare time
> :D).
Mike, do any of the documents on my site help at all? The archive of
articles (the ones listed as Part 1, Part 2, etc.) is found here:
http://redarrow.textdrive.com/archives
I'm curious whether articles like this are more of what you are looking
for or if they too lack the overall ideas that you were alluding to.
Jon
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by "Mike M." <le...@mordent.com>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss <gregor <at> apache.org> writes:
>
>
> since we all know that more docs are always better, is there one area
> where more documentation would have especially helped?
>
It's hard to say. I'd have to go back and look in detail.
But as far as the 1.2 docs go, the biggest thing for me is lack of a big
picture. The doc hierarchy is a little odd too. It's more of a reference than
a user manual. The first topic after Installation is Components, and inside
there the first topic is Access, and in there there's lots of detail about
access that doesn't tell me what the heck it's all for, or why I need to know
this, or how it applies to configuring lenya. Throughout the doc there seems to
be lots of detail without the "why do i need to know this" or "what does this
do" or "big picture". There are lots of good details in there, but not enough
about what they mean or how/why to use them.
One of my plans when I finished getting our configuration set up was to go back
and try to help out with some of the documentation (in my spare time :D).
-Mike
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Mike M. wrote:
> I have a similar background and it's been a month or so for me and I still don't
> have it all figured out. The biggest mistake I made was not learning cocoon
> first (I wasted two weeks on things that knowing cocoon would've answered).
> There's a very good cocoon book that you can breeze through, Cocoon: Building
> XML Applications (New Riders). I spent a few days going through that and
> understood a lot about configuring lenya. It would've also helped to have
> better lenya documentation. However, this forum has helped a great deal.
since we all know that more docs are always better, is there one area
where more documentation would have especially helped?
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Re: [maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by "Mike M." <le...@mordent.com>.
Ivan <i.venuti <at> caribel.pisa.it> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to hear from people who had my background before learning Lenya in
> order to figure out how many time I can plan for learning Lenya (I know this
> could be a no-sense question: everything is subjective :) )
>
> My background is:
>
> * good knowledge of Java technologies, in particular JSP 2.0 and Servlets
> * no previous knowledge about CMS
> * mo previous knowledge of Cocoon nor XSP
> * still learning XSLT technologies
>
> 5, 10 or... how many days to have a good working-knowledge of Lenya? :)
>
> thanks to any suggestion!
>
> p.s. as a developer I need to personalize a new pubblication; it will
> consist about at least one really complex template and no more then 3 other
> simple templates (for nearly one hundred of existing pages).
>
I have a similar background and it's been a month or so for me and I still don't
have it all figured out. The biggest mistake I made was not learning cocoon
first (I wasted two weeks on things that knowing cocoon would've answered).
There's a very good cocoon book that you can breeze through, Cocoon: Building
XML Applications (New Riders). I spent a few days going through that and
understood a lot about configuring lenya. It would've also helped to have
better lenya documentation. However, this forum has helped a great deal.
-Mike
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[maybe OT] how many time to be proficient in Lenya?
Posted by Ivan <i....@caribel.pisa.it>.
Hi,
I'd like to hear from people who had my background before learning Lenya in
order to figure out how many time I can plan for learning Lenya (I know this
could be a no-sense question: everything is subjective :) )
My background is:
* good knowledge of Java technologies, in particular JSP 2.0 and Servlets
* no previous knowledge about CMS
* mo previous knowledge of Cocoon nor XSP
* still learning XSLT technologies
5, 10 or... how many days to have a good working-knowledge of Lenya? :)
thanks to any suggestion!
p.s. as a developer I need to personalize a new pubblication; it will
consist about at least one really complex template and no more then 3 other
simple templates (for nearly one hundred of existing pages).
-- Ivan
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