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[AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Hi all,


I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.

As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From 
LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.

Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?


Check out the document:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing


I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.

My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast 
machine)


All the best

Peter


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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.

Thanks for the feedback.

Am 01.08.22 um 23:12 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Am 01.08.22 um 07:57 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>
>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>
>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>
>>
>> Check out the document:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>
> I opened the document and could not reproduce a crash. I only get a slow
> down when scrolling the OLE container.

I am not sure on the crash myself. AOO crashed when I tried to mark a 
lot of Rows within the writer table below the OLE object.

I initially connected both incidents because of the slow scrolling, and 
I thought this combines both.

So Dave did not get any Performance Issues, but you did. This is 
strange. I tried today again and I have again performance Issues.

Ass soon as the Ole Object is to be rendered, AOO behaves like it tries 
to deal with a lot of data.

>
> I also use Ubuntu and my machine is definitely not powerful. ;-)

Well I just wanted to say I have enough power to handle everything.

BTW I am on KDE, but it may be that I have Gnome libaries installed. I 
am not sure if this goes into our GNOME issue tolls or is a general thing.

(And I totally agree that we should look into our Gnome implementation.)



>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
>>
>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>
>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent
>> fast machine)
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

Hi Peter,

Am 01.08.22 um 07:57 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Hi all,
>
>
> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>
> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>
> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>
>
> Check out the document:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>

I opened the document and could not reproduce a crash. I only get a slow
down when scrolling the OLE container.

I also use Ubuntu and my machine is definitely not powerful. ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>
> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>
> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent
> fast machine)
>
>
> All the best
>
> Peter
>
>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

Good luck!

Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>
> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
> who they might be.
>
> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>
> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
> will now be directed to null/dev.
>
> BYE AOO!
>
>
> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>
>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb
>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough.
>>>
>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>
>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>
>>> @Peter:
>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13
>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>
>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>> No.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot
>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>    Matthias
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.

Am 03.08.22 um 11:34 schrieb Dave:

Hi Dave,

> Sorry folks. Dave Fisher sensed correctly it was a particularly bad day
> with some domestic issues I am dealing with at the moment and I should
> not have vented my frustrations at people who did not deserve my
> "knee-jerk" reaction to a misunderstanding.

I perfectly understand your problem. I also have sometimes situations 
where I need to take a deep breath before going on, e.g., posting; and 
I'm not always successful.

So, I have no problem with this situation - especially as it was just a 
little heat peak and otherwise quite calm - as long as it is not 
escalating. And I really appreciate that you have shared with us the 
root cause.

> I would like to put my outburst aside and move on with AOO.

That's great. Thanks for your continued trust in the people, project and 
software. :-)

Marcus



> On 02/08/2022 17:12, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.
>>
>> Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.
>>
>> Assume the best,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs <pe...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Can you explain?
>>> I do not understand why Dave is angry.
>>> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>:
>>>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure what happened here...
>>>>>
>>>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>>>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>>>>> quit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>>>>> late for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>>>>> who they might be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave

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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>.

Hi Dave,

On 8/3/22 5:34 AM, Dave wrote:
> Sorry folks. Dave Fisher sensed correctly it was a particularly bad day
> with some domestic issues I am dealing with at the moment and I should
> not have vented my frustrations at people who did not deserve my
> "knee-jerk" reaction to a misunderstanding.
>
> I would like to put my outburst aside and move on with AOO.

Thanks Dave.
Your participation is greatly appreciated.

All the best,
Carl

>
> Regards
> Dave Barton
>
> On 02/08/2022 17:12, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.
>>
>> Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.
>>
>> Assume the best,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs <pe...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Can you explain?
>>> I do not understand why Dave is angry.
>>> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>:
>>>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>> I am not sure what happened here...
>>>>>
>>>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>>>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>>>>> quit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>>>>> late for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>>>>> who they might be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave <bm...@apache.org>.

Sorry folks. Dave Fisher sensed correctly it was a particularly bad day
with some domestic issues I am dealing with at the moment and I should
not have vented my frustrations at people who did not deserve my
"knee-jerk" reaction to a misunderstanding.

I would like to put my outburst aside and move on with AOO.

Regards
Dave Barton

On 02/08/2022 17:12, Dave Fisher wrote:
> After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.
> 
> Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.
> 
> Assume the best,
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs <pe...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Can you explain?
>> I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
>> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>:
>>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>>>
>>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure what happened here...
>>>>
>>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>>>>
>>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>   Matthias
>>>>
>>>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>>>> quit.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>>>> late for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>>>> who they might be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

Am 02.08.22 um 18:12 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.
I really think that all this was a big misunderstanding. I surely didn't
want to disrespect Dave's experience!
>
> Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.

But I still hope that his statement was made out of an impulse and AOO
remains not only my beloved project.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Assume the best,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs <pe...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Can you explain?
>> I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
>> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>:
>>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>>>
>>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>> I am not sure what happened here...
>>>>
>>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>>>>
>>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>   Matthias
>>>>
>>>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>>>> quit.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>>>> late for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>>>> who they might be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.

After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.

Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.

Assume the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs <pe...@posteo.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Can you explain?
> I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
> 
> Thanks.
> Peter
> 
> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>:
>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>> 
>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not sure what happened here...
>>> 
>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>>> 
>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>   Matthias
>>> 
>>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>>> quit.
>>>> 
>>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>>> late for that.
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>>> who they might be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>>> 
>>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Peter kovacs <pe...@posteo.de>.

Hi Dave,

Can you explain?
I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.

Thanks.
Peter

Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>:
>I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>
>If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.
>
>All the best,
>Dave
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not sure what happened here...
>> 
>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>> 
>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>    Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>> quit.
>>> 
>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>> late for that.
>>> 
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>> 
>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>> who they might be.
>>>> 
>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>> 
>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>> 
>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>> No.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.

I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.

If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from moderation.

All the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
> I am not sure what happened here...
> 
> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
> 
> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>> quit.
>> 
>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>> late for that.
>> 
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>> 
>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>> who they might be.
>>> 
>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>> 
>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>> 
>>> BYE AOO!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>> 
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>> 
>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>> 
>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>> No.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>     Matthias
>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by "Dr. Michael Stehmann" <an...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>.

Hello,

I am wondering, what is going on here.

Looking from past to future:

Before moving rights, IMO we have to find substitute persons to do the jobs.

Kind regards
Michael

Am 02.08.22 um 11:19 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> I am not sure what happened here...
> 
> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
> 
> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>     Matthias
> 
> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>> quit.
>>
>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>> late for that.
>>
>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>
>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>> who they might be.
>>>
>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>
>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>
>>> BYE AOO!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>> enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>
>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>
>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>      Matthias
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Matthias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

I am not sure what happened here...

But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".

According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
should discuss if we need to remove his rights.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
> quit.
>
> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
> late for that.
>
> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>
>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>> who they might be.
>>
>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>
>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>
>> BYE AOO!
>>
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>
>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>> 16Gb
>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>
>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>
>>>> @Peter:
>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>> 4.1.13
>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>> No.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.

I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage quit.

There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to late 
for that.

Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>
> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
> who they might be.
>
> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>
> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
> will now be directed to null/dev.
>
> BYE AOO!
>
>
> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>
>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb
>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough.
>>>
>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>
>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>
>>> @Peter:
>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13
>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>
>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>> No.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Matthias
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot
>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>     Matthias
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave <bm...@apache.org>.

Hi Matthias,

Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
had absolutely no sense of humour.

Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
who they might be.

YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".

Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
will now be directed to null/dev.

BYE AOO!


On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>
>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb
>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough.
>>
>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
> 
> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
> 
> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
> 
>>
>> @Peter:
>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13
>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>
>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
> 
> No.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
>>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>
>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>
>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>
>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot
>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>
>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

Hi Dave,

Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>
> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb
> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough.
>
> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
> SOMETHING to assist Peter.

I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.

And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.

>
> @Peter:
> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13
> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>
> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?

No.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards
> Dave
>
>
> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>
>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>
>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot
>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>
>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>    Matthias
>>>>
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave <bm...@apache.org>.

Hi Matthias,

Sorry, but you loose that bet.

I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb
RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough.

Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
SOMETHING to assist Peter.

@Peter:
On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13
edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.

Is there any difference between the RC and released code?

Regards
Dave


On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>
>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
> 
> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
> 
> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot
> of people *are* using GNOME...
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
>>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>
>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>>>> machine)
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>
>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>>>
>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Dave
>>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

Hi Dave,

Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>
> I have never been a fan of GNOME.

I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)

Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot
of people *are* using GNOME...

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards
> Dave
>
> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>
>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>
>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>
>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>
>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>>> machine)
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>
>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>>
>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>
>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave <bm...@apache.org>.

Hi Matthias,

Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.

I have never been a fan of GNOME.

Regards
Dave

On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
> 
> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
> GNOME is used as DE.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>
>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>
>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>
>>> Check out the document:
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>
>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>>> machine)
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Peter
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>
>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>>
>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>
>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.

Hi Dave,

Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?

We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when
GNOME is used as DE.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>
>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>
>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>
>> Check out the document:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>
>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
>> machine)
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Peter
> Hi Peter,
>
> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>
> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3
>
> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>
> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>
> Regards
> Dave
>
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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

Posted by Dave <bm...@apache.org>.

On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
> 
> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
> 
> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
> 
> Check out the document:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
> 
> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
> 
> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast
> machine)
> 
> All the best
> 
> Peter

Hi Peter,

Not sure if this will be of any help to you.

My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux Mint 20.3

I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13
(Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either
AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.

However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the
OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10,
but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.

Regards
Dave

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