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Posted to user@forrest.apache.org by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com> on 2005/08/28 17:32:39 UTC
New Forrest site to add to list!
Hi,
I'm developing a new site in forrest: The Summit Journal
Can we get listed on the Forrest site http://forrest.apache.org/live-sites.html?
I am wondering about some upgrades:
in xdoc files, to add <a> tag with target="blank" for branding purposes so
we can have html links without having users go off our site, which now, we
have to make all links non-html due to this constraint. My xmlspy checks the online dtd which doesn't allow it it seems, but it is allowed in the /meta/*.xml files. Would be nice to have one standard.
Any localization? I need to implement translations.
I think Forrest is pretty sweet.
cheers,
Holly Edelson
www.thesummitjournal.com
www.greenjaguar.com
www.adventuresummit.com
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de>.
Helena Edelson schrieb:
> Hi
> Just tested this:
> http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
>
> doesn't accept target param in formats:
>
> <a class="fork" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
> <a class="jump" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
>
> for Document V2.0.
> This is key for branding one site and offering a link to another while
> not directing user off the original site.
about this kind of branding please consider
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/open_new_windows.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html
just a web-usability perspective ;-)
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Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
I should have asked. It'll be in the next time it gets published.
Thanks,
--tim
On 9/3/05, Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com> wrote:
> Cool, thanks. do we get a one-sentence description too?
> A global, free, translated and syndicated Adventure and Exploration
> publication.
>
> many thanks. sory to bother.
>
>
>
> Helena Edelson wrote:
> can we be on the Example Sites page of Forrest Site?
> http://forrest.apache.org/live-sites.html
> ??
>
> our site is http://thesummitjournal.com/
>
> many thanks to all the Forrest developers.
>
> Holly
>
>
>
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com>.
Cool, thanks. do we get a one-sentence description too?
A global, free, translated and syndicated Adventure and Exploration
publication.
many thanks. sory to bother.
Helena Edelson wrote:
> can we be on the Example Sites page of Forrest Site?
> http://forrest.apache.org/live-sites.html
> ??
>
> our site is http://thesummitjournal.com/
>
> many thanks to all the Forrest developers.
>
> Holly
>
>
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
On 8/29/05, Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com> wrote:
> can we be on the Example Sites page of Forrest Site?
> http://forrest.apache.org/live-sites.html
> ??
>
> our site is http://thesummitjournal.com/
>
> many thanks to all the Forrest developers.
>
> Holly
You are, kind of. I've made the addition, I've just not yet learned
how to publish it live. A fine time to learn I suppose.... either
way, it should show up in the next day or so.
--tim
New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com>.
can we be on the Example Sites page of Forrest Site?
http://forrest.apache.org/live-sites.html
??
our site is http://thesummitjournal.com/
many thanks to all the Forrest developers.
Holly
Posted by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com>.
Thank you.
I have a clean javascript that pops up a pre-sized window but I don't
think I can implement it on forrest and frankly, i hate javascript.
I get what you are saying and agree, it's just painful to intentionally
provide a link that sends users off a site.
Holly
Gav.... wrote:
> *Note that target="_blank" is deprecated and will invalidate any xhtml.*
> **
> *It is a decision of the W3C that target="_blank" is not used because*
> *it breaks the 'back' button in the browser and is a handicap for*
> *both visually and physically disabled users. It is much better to
> provide*
> *an explanation somewhere that the user is leaving the main site, usually*
> *this can be done in the alt and title tags of the link. This gives the *
> *user the option of right click > open in new window if they want to.*
> **
> *Using something like *
> **
> *<a rel="external" href="http://someothersite.com" alt="external link"
> title="you are now leaving thissite.com">someothersite</a>*
> **
> *might be better.*
> **
> *Gav...*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Helena Edelson <ma...@greenjaguar.com>
> *To:* user@forrest.apache.org <ma...@forrest.apache.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: target="_blank" and other <a> tricks (Re: New
> Forrest site to add to list!)
>
> Ah! I see, My IDE is not allowing it, checking the 2.0 dtd and not
> letting me save, thinking it is not properly formatted. I'll have
> to work around that. THanks!!!!!!
>
> !!!!
> Holly
>
> Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> Helena Edelson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> Just tested this:
>>> http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
>>>
>>> doesn't accept target param in formats:
>>>
>>> <a class="fork" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
>>> <a class="jump" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
>>>
>>> for Document V2.0.
>>> This is key for branding one site and offering a link to another
>>> while not directing user off the original site.
>>
>>
>> I don't understand your problem. I thought you originally you
>> said you want to create an <a> link with target="_blank" in your
>> output.
>>
>> The above page describes exactly how to do that. If you look at
>> the generated source for this page you will see that <a
>> class="fork" href="../index.html"> in the input XDoc gets
>> translated to <a target="_blank" class="fork"
>> href="../index.html"> in the output HTML.
>>
>> Isn't this what you want? If not please explain exactly what your
>> problem is because I must have misunderstood your problem.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Posted by "Gav...." <br...@brightontown.com.au>.
Note that target="_blank" is deprecated and will invalidate any xhtml.
It is a decision of the W3C that target="_blank" is not used because
it breaks the 'back' button in the browser and is a handicap for
both visually and physically disabled users. It is much better to provide
an explanation somewhere that the user is leaving the main site, usually
this can be done in the alt and title tags of the link. This gives the
user the option of right click > open in new window if they want to.
Using something like
<a rel="external" href="http://someothersite.com" alt="external link" title="you are now leaving thissite.com">someothersite</a>
might be better.
Gav...
----- Original Message -----
From: Helena Edelson
To: user@forrest.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: target="_blank" and other <a> tricks (Re: New Forrest site to add to list!)
Ah! I see, My IDE is not allowing it, checking the 2.0 dtd and not letting me save, thinking it is not properly formatted. I'll have to work around that. THanks!!!!!!
!!!!
Holly
Ross Gardler wrote:
Helena Edelson wrote:
Hi
Just tested this:
http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
doesn't accept target param in formats:
<a class="fork" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
<a class="jump" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
for Document V2.0.
This is key for branding one site and offering a link to another while not directing user off the original site.
I don't understand your problem. I thought you originally you said you want to create an <a> link with target="_blank" in your output.
The above page describes exactly how to do that. If you look at the generated source for this page you will see that <a class="fork" href="../index.html"> in the input XDoc gets translated to <a target="_blank" class="fork" href="../index.html"> in the output HTML.
Isn't this what you want? If not please explain exactly what your problem is because I must have misunderstood your problem.
Ross
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Posted by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com>.
Ah! I see, My IDE is not allowing it, checking the 2.0 dtd and not
letting me save, thinking it is not properly formatted. I'll have to
work around that. THanks!!!!!!
!!!!
Holly
Ross Gardler wrote:
> Helena Edelson wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Just tested this:
>> http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
>>
>> doesn't accept target param in formats:
>>
>> <a class="fork" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
>> <a class="jump" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
>>
>> for Document V2.0.
>> This is key for branding one site and offering a link to another
>> while not directing user off the original site.
>
>
> I don't understand your problem. I thought you originally you said you
> want to create an <a> link with target="_blank" in your output.
>
> The above page describes exactly how to do that. If you look at the
> generated source for this page you will see that <a class="fork"
> href="../index.html"> in the input XDoc gets translated to <a
> target="_blank" class="fork" href="../index.html"> in the output HTML.
>
> Isn't this what you want? If not please explain exactly what your
> problem is because I must have misunderstood your problem.
>
> Ross
>
>
>
>
>
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Helena Edelson wrote:
> Hi
> Just tested this:
> http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
>
> doesn't accept target param in formats:
>
> <a class="fork" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
> <a class="jump" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
>
> for Document V2.0.
> This is key for branding one site and offering a link to another while
> not directing user off the original site.
I don't understand your problem. I thought you originally you said you
want to create an <a> link with target="_blank" in your output.
The above page describes exactly how to do that. If you look at the
generated source for this page you will see that <a class="fork"
href="../index.html"> in the input XDoc gets translated to <a
target="_blank" class="fork" href="../index.html"> in the output HTML.
Isn't this what you want? If not please explain exactly what your
problem is because I must have misunderstood your problem.
Ross
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com>.
Hi
Just tested this:
http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
doesn't accept target param in formats:
<a class="fork" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
<a class="jump" href="../index.html"> <../index.html>
for Document V2.0.
This is key for branding one site and offering a link to another while
not directing user off the original site.
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Helena Edelson wrote:
> I am wondering about some upgrades:
> in xdoc files, to add <a> tag with target="blank" for branding purposes so
> we can have html links without having users go off our site, which now, we
> have to make all links non-html due to this constraint. My xmlspy checks
> the online dtd which doesn't allow it it seems, but it is allowed in the
> /meta/*.xml files. Would be nice to have one standard.
http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.html#link-class
> Any localization? I need to implement translations.
There are examples of localisation in the seed-site. If you have a
specific problem please feel free to ask and we will do our best to help.
> I think Forrest is pretty sweet.
:-))
Thanks for your support.
Ross
plug lenya into forrest (Re: New Forrest site to add to list!)
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 12:08 -0400, Helena Edelson wrote:
> ... Am excited to plug lenya into it for a new site I am building for
> a client.
How are you going to do this? We have threads over in dev that are
trying to solve this problem. Maybe they are helpful for you.
salu2
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com>.
THanks! I spend quite a lot of time on the xsl pages, the css and
site2xhtml and renderlogo pages. I have run into some frustrating things
that I'm hoping will change soon, things affecting branding like links
needing a target="_blank" but generally this is a very powerful
framework and I see great potential in what I can do with it. I can
re-code some of the back-end and leverage all the superb work all the
developers have done. It's truly very cool. Am excited to plug lenya
into it for a new site I am building for a client. It's so easy to test
with in jetty and deploy on tomcat. the modularity makes my changes
highly efficient. love that.
Holly
Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
>Helena Edelson wrote:
>
>
>
>> I think Forrest is pretty sweet.
>>
>>
>
>I think you have added quite a bit of sweetness to it. Seriously, I
>think these sites look pretty cool and are an
>excellent example of how much you can do with Forrest.
>
>How much time did you spend on customizing the skins?
>
>--
>Ferdinand Soethe
>
>
>
>
>
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Ferdinand Soethe <fe...@apache.org>.
Helena Edelson wrote:
> I think Forrest is pretty sweet.
I think you have added quite a bit of sweetness to it. Seriously, I
think these sites look pretty cool and are an
excellent example of how much you can do with Forrest.
How much time did you spend on customizing the skins?
--
Ferdinand Soethe
Re: New Forrest site to add to list!
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
"The Summit Journal" added, thanks,
--tim
On 8/28/05, Helena Edelson <he...@greenjaguar.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm developing a new site in forrest: The Summit Journal
>
> Can we get listed on the Forrest site http://forrest.apache.org/live-sites.html?
>
> I am wondering about some upgrades:
> in xdoc files, to add <a> tag with target="blank" for branding purposes so
> we can have html links without having users go off our site, which now, we
> have to make all links non-html due to this constraint. My xmlspy checks the online dtd which doesn't allow it it seems, but it is allowed in the /meta/*.xml files. Would be nice to have one standard.
>
> Any localization? I need to implement translations.
>
> I think Forrest is pretty sweet.
>
> cheers,
> Holly Edelson
>
> www.thesummitjournal.com
> www.greenjaguar.com
> www.adventuresummit.com
>
>