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Posted to dev@jmeter.apache.org by Milamber <mi...@apache.org> on 2013/07/12 10:07:21 UTC
Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Hello,
I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
Toolbar.
I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
license CC-BT-SA 3.0).
I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
magic wand. In the sense of "magician".
You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
Milamber
[1] http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>
> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>
>
> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that I
> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>
> I share the same opinion.
>
>
>
> and we need to drop the New
>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>
>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for app office
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>
>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the
>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/****toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/>
>>>>>> <http://www.**milamberspace.net/toolbar-**template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>>>>> find a
>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourc**eforge.net/gallery2/?./**<http://sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**>
>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-****office.png<http://**
>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.**net/gallery2/?./Icons/**
>>>>> categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourc**eforge.net/gallery2/?./**<http://sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**>
>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-****3.png<http://openiconlibrary.**
>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourc**eforge.net/gallery2/?./**<http://sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**>
>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-****2.pngve<http://**
>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.**net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/**
>>>>> document-import-2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>>update
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/****toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/>
>>>> <http://www.**milamberspace.net/toolbar-**template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/****toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.**milamberspace.net/toolbar-**template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open",
>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.**sourc**eforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>> <http:/**/openiconlibrary.sourceforge.**net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>> Cordialement.
>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>
>>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>.
Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that
I create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> and we need to drop the New
> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>
> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for app office
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>
>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>
>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>>>> find a
>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>
>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>update :
>>>>
>>> I've update the page:
>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>
>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this position.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> --
>> Cordialement.
>> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Even if it's not a wizard, my preference goes to tools-wizard3.
It should encourage people to try it .
On Saturday, November 1, 2014, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2014 13:33, sebb wrote:
> >> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think
> sebb
> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
> wonder
> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
> > Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> > This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
> >
> > Here's a screenshot:
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
> >
> > I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
> > agree that the new icon is better.
>
>
> This icon is very similar to the current New icon in JMeter toolbar.
>
> From the open_icon_library-CC (current source of JMeter toolbar icons),
> several (new) tests :
>
> 2014:
> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template-2014/
>
> (for history) older in 2013:
> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>
>
> => application-x-plasma.png is my preference.
>
>
>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Felix Schumacher <fe...@internetallee.de>.
Am 1. November 2014 22:48:35 MEZ, schrieb Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>:
>Hi Felix,
>I am afraid the meaning of those icons may not be intuitive enough.
>What we want here is an icon "already known" for users of popular
>softwares
>for a feature similar to Wizard although not exactly wizard.
In that case I would opt for tools-wizard-3.
Felix
>
>
>Regards
>Philippe
>
>On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Felix Schumacher <
>felix.schumacher@internetallee.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 01.11.2014 um 18:30 schrieb Milamber:
>>
>> On 07/09/2014 13:33, sebb wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
>think sebb
>>>>>
>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
>that
>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications,
>so I
>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left
>corner.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a screenshot:
>>>>
>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This icon is very similar to the current New icon in JMeter toolbar.
>>>
>>> From the open_icon_library-CC (current source of JMeter toolbar
>icons),
>>> several (new) tests :
>>>
>>> 2014:
>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template-2014/
>>>
>>> (for history) older in 2013:
>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>>>
>>>
>>> => application-x-plasma.png is my preference.
>>>
>> I think the contrast of that icon is too low. I can't really see the
>> yellow ring on the paper.
>>
>> Another idea would be to use the stamp icon from gimp (maybe on a
>paper
>> like http://people.apache.org/~fschumacher/template_draft_stamp.png)
>or a
>> single prefilled page like the front page of the copy icon (maybe
>with a
>> green checkmark on the right top corner, see
>http://people.apache.org/~
>> fschumacher/template_draft_prefilled_page.png).
>>
>> I haven't checked the license for the stamp from gimp, so we maybe
>have to
>> draw our own stamp.
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hi Felix,
I am afraid the meaning of those icons may not be intuitive enough.
What we want here is an icon "already known" for users of popular softwares
for a feature similar to Wizard although not exactly wizard.
Regards
Philippe
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Felix Schumacher <
felix.schumacher@internetallee.de> wrote:
> Am 01.11.2014 um 18:30 schrieb Milamber:
>
> On 07/09/2014 13:33, sebb wrote:
>>
>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
>>>>
>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
>>>>> wonder
>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>>>
>>> Here's a screenshot:
>>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>>
>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>>>
>>
>> This icon is very similar to the current New icon in JMeter toolbar.
>>
>> From the open_icon_library-CC (current source of JMeter toolbar icons),
>> several (new) tests :
>>
>> 2014:
>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template-2014/
>>
>> (for history) older in 2013:
>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>>
>>
>> => application-x-plasma.png is my preference.
>>
> I think the contrast of that icon is too low. I can't really see the
> yellow ring on the paper.
>
> Another idea would be to use the stamp icon from gimp (maybe on a paper
> like http://people.apache.org/~fschumacher/template_draft_stamp.png) or a
> single prefilled page like the front page of the copy icon (maybe with a
> green checkmark on the right top corner, see http://people.apache.org/~
> fschumacher/template_draft_prefilled_page.png).
>
> I haven't checked the license for the stamp from gimp, so we maybe have to
> draw our own stamp.
>
> Felix
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Felix Schumacher <fe...@internetallee.de>.
Am 01.11.2014 um 18:30 schrieb Milamber:
> On 07/09/2014 13:33, sebb wrote:
>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I wonder
>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>>
>> Here's a screenshot:
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>
>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>> agree that the new icon is better.
>
> This icon is very similar to the current New icon in JMeter toolbar.
>
> From the open_icon_library-CC (current source of JMeter toolbar icons),
> several (new) tests :
>
> 2014:
> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template-2014/
>
> (for history) older in 2013:
> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>
>
> => application-x-plasma.png is my preference.
I think the contrast of that icon is too low. I can't really see the
yellow ring on the paper.
Another idea would be to use the stamp icon from gimp (maybe on a paper
like http://people.apache.org/~fschumacher/template_draft_stamp.png) or
a single prefilled page like the front page of the copy icon (maybe with
a green checkmark on the right top corner, see
http://people.apache.org/~fschumacher/template_draft_prefilled_page.png).
I haven't checked the license for the stamp from gimp, so we maybe have
to draw our own stamp.
Felix
>
>
>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@apache.org>.
On 07/09/2014 13:33, sebb wrote:
>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
>> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
>> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I wonder
>> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>
> Here's a screenshot:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>
> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
> agree that the new icon is better.
This icon is very similar to the current New icon in JMeter toolbar.
>From the open_icon_library-CC (current source of JMeter toolbar icons),
several (new) tests :
2014:
http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template-2014/
(for history) older in 2013:
http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
=> application-x-plasma.png is my preference.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Philippe Mouawad <
philippe.mouawad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello All,
>> >> >
>> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
>> >>
>> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
>> >> user threads]
>> >>
>> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
>> >> > nightly build
>> >>
>> >> +1
>>
>
Maybe we should put a fully bundled version to ease test for users.
Otherwise they will need to setup a nightly build and it is always error
prone for people who do not read the manual :-)
Or maybe we should change build procedure to generate a full bundle instead
of lib + bin. I always wondered why nightly was distributed that way.
> >>
>> >
>> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think
>> sebb
>> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
>> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
>> >> wonder
>> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a screenshot:
>> >>
>> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>> >>
>> >
>> > Nice one
>>
> Where can we find it ?
> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>> >> agree that the new icon is better.
>> >>
>> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
>> add a
>> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
>> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
>> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>> >>
>> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>> >> change in behaviour?
>> >>
>> >> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What about this:
>> >
>> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
>> then:
>> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code
>> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>> SampleResult
>> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>> >
>> > This change will affect:
>> > - the number of Samples in results
>> > - the average, median response time reported
>> >
>> > We propose 2 options to handle this:
>> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
>> 2.11
>> > behaviour
>> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>> >
>> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>> >
>> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>>
>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>>
>> Ok
>
>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>>
>
> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>
> And see this:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>
I added property.
>
>
>
>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible
>> one.
>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>>
>>
> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>
>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Philippe
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> >> >> > Hello,
>> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
>> better
>> >> >> option
>> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
>> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think
>> >> which
>> >> >> > does not encourage its usage.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thoughts ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>> introduce
>> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
>> several
>> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
>> icon?)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> > Philippe
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>> >> >> Template=>New
>> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
>> plan
>> >> >> that I
>> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
>> >> likely
>> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
>> know
>> >> if
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>> >> future,
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
>> change
>> >> >> easily
>> >> >> >> the order.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Milamber
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
>> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>> dedicated
>> >> >> button
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this
>> >> action
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>> >> colors),
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> http://www.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>> >> >> difficult
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>> bahavior.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>> http://openiconlibrary.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>> >> >
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> :
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www
>> .
>> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
>> this
>> >> >> >>>>>>> position.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> http://www
>> >> .
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
>> after
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>> Selection
>> >> and
>> >> >> Cut.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
>> best
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>> >> <http:/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Cordialement.
>> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cordialement.
>> > Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
>
>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 14 September 2014 15:05, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I implemented what sebb proposed in his last comment.
> Documented in :
> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54778
>
> Feedback welcome.
>
> @Sebb, regarding the subject :-) , where can we find the Template icon ?
Somewhere in AOO SVN I assume.
Sorry, no idea where.
If it's not obvious, could try asking on the AOO dev list.
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Philippe Mouawad <
> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9 September 2014 12:32, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:23 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 9 September 2014 09:00, Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru> wrote:
>>> >> > Hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > My opinion on the cached sample handling:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
>>> >> > sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
>>> >> > questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
>>> >> > Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached
>>> content,
>>> >> > having "from cache" as size qualifier.
>>> >> > 2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in
>>> RFC.
>>> >> > The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose
>>> server
>>> >> > can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client
>>> should
>>> >> > respect that.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would suggest following:
>>> >> > a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
>>> >> > and the response message also
>>> >> > b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
>>> >> > message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC
>>> and
>>> >> > may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
>>> >> > original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
>>> >> > c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior
>>> is
>>> >> > unambiguous
>>> >>
>>> >> It's a bit harder to detect the sample, which is why I was thinking
>>> >> about defining a specific non-HTTP return code.
>>> >> This could be done using a property to override the 200 code.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also JMeter does not cache the content, so the sample won't have any
>>> data.
>>> >> Post-Processors may need to be aware of this.
>>> >> Though given that 204 status is also success, and was not excluded
>>> >> previously, perhaps this is not an issue.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Not removing the sampleresults means erroneously impacting positively
>>> > response time no ?
>>>
>>> Depends on how the response times are calculated.
>>>
>>> > Also regarding Andrei note on difference between browser showing 200
>>> > (cache) vs JMeter not showing it,for me main JMeter job is simulate
>>> > load on server and traffic between Browser and Server, so it should not
>>> > report anything for Browser internal traffic.
>>>
>>> I don't think there is an ideal solution to this.
>>> Some people will want to see all the samples executed by JMeter, and
>>> some will need to see only the external requests.
>>>
>>> There are probably at least 3 approaches:
>>> 1) return null sample (i.e. no sample)
>>> 2) return sample with status 200 and message containing "(ex cache)" or
>>> similar
>>> 3) return sample with a different status, chosen by the user
>>>
>>
>> Ok let's implement it then, would it be active through property ?
>> What would be the default ?
>>
>>
>>> > Regarding caching the content, the impact on JMeter memory would be
>>> huge, I
>>> > doubt it scales fine.
>>>
>>> Does not have to be purely a memory cache; it could be disk-based (as
>>> most browsers use)
>>>
>> I think it would be IO overkill in this case. But why not some day
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> > Andrey Pokhilko
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
>>> >> >> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <
>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <
>>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <
>>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>>> >> >>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
>>> >> >>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be
>>> >> separate
>>> >> >>>>>>>> user threads]
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo
>>> >> feature
>>> >> >>>> in
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> nightly build
>>> >> >>>>>>>> +1
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and
>>> I
>>> >> >>>> think
>>> >> >>>>>> sebb
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern
>>> is
>>> >> >>>> that
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other
>>> applications,
>>> >> so
>>> >> >>>> I
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wonder
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from
>>> OpenOffice?
>>> >> >>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left
>>> >> corner.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Nice one
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as
>>> we
>>> >> all
>>> >> >>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the
>>> need
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>>>> add a
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert
>>> to <
>>> >> >>>> 2.12
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is
>>> >> that
>>> >> >>>> we
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>>> >> >>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by
>>> the
>>> >> >>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> What about this:
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in
>>> cache
>>> >> >>>> then:
>>> >> >>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204
>>> response
>>> >> >>>> code
>>> >> >>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>>> >> >>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>>> >> >>>>>> SampleResult
>>> >> >>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> This change will affect:
>>> >> >>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
>>> >> >>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
>>> >> >>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert
>>> back
>>> >> to <=
>>> >> >>>>>> 2.11
>>> >> >>>>>>> behaviour
>>> >> >>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>>> >> >>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>>> >> >>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>>> >> >>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> Ok
>>> >> >>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>>> >> >>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users
>>> are not
>>> >> >>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>>> >> >>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>>> >> >>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter
>>> discussion:
>>> >> >>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> And see this:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
>>> >> >>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather
>>> than
>>> >> >>>> no sample at all.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> You mean the last one ?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only
>>> >> possible
>>> >> >>>> one.
>>> >> >>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would
>>> >> lookup
>>> >> >>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
>>> >> >>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>>> >> >>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
>>> >> >>>> return the cache entry.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server
>>> >> returned
>>> >> >>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this
>>> case.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for
>>> the
>>> >> >>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache
>>> hit.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request
>>> occurs
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing
>>> servers.
>>> >> >>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can
>>> be
>>> >> >>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for
>>> me
>>> >> for
>>> >> >>> the reason I described above.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server,
>>> then I
>>> >> >>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
>>> >> >>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
>>> >> >>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>> Yes this could be useful.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache
>>> hit.
>>> >> >>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently
>>> cache
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> content.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540
>>> ?
>>> >> >> Not really.
>>> >> >> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
>>> >> >> an enhancement request to add such caching.
>>> >> >> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
>>> >> >> which is quite different.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
>>> >> >>>> actual server request?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
>>> >> >> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
>>> >> >> Request a URL.
>>> >> >> Assume it is cached.
>>> >> >> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
>>> >> >> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did
>>> >> originally.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
>>> >> >> served from cache or from the server?
>>> >> >> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
>>> >> >> server is faster than the clock granularity
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <
>>> >> milamberspace@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right
>>> one.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me
>>> maybe a
>>> >> >>>>>> better
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> option
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users
>>> I
>>> >> >>>> think
>>> >> >>>>>>>> which
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>>> >> >>>>>> introduce
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1
>>> box, not
>>> >> >>>>>> several
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a
>>> software).
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the
>>> best
>>> >> >>>>>> icon?)
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <
>>> >> milamber@apache.org
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon.
>>> It's
>>> >> >>>> more
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from
>>> scratch,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a
>>> >> test
>>> >> >>>>>> plan
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> that I
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they
>>> >> will
>>> >> >>>>>>>> likely
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I
>>> >> can't
>>> >> >>>>>> know
>>> >> >>>>>>>> if
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> we
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar.
>>> If in
>>> >> >>>>>>>> future,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we
>>> can
>>> >> >>>>>> change
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> easily
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>>> >> >>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <
>>> milamber@apache.org>
>>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <
>>> >> milamber@apache.org
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>>> >> >>>>>> dedicated
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> button
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon
>>> to
>>> >> >>>> this
>>> >> >>>>>>>> action
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two
>>> different
>>> >> >>>>>>>> colors),
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
>>> >> >>>> Wizard
>>> >> >>>>>> in
>>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>> >> >>>>>> http://www.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's
>>> >> very
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>>> >> >>>>>> bahavior.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>>> >> >>>> http://openiconlibrary
>>> >> >>>>>> .
>>> >> >>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>> >> >>>> http://www.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for
>>> me
>>> >> at
>>> >> >>>>>> this
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
>>> >> >>>> position in
>>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/
>>> <
>>> >> >>>>>> http://www
>>> >> >>>>>>>> .
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or
>>> >> just
>>> >> >>>>>> after
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>>> >> >>>> Selection
>>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cut.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon?
>>> the
>>> >> >>>> best
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>>> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>>> >> >>>>>>>> <http:/
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> --
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> --
>>> >> >>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>> >> >>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> --
>>> >> >>>>> Cordialement.
>>> >> >>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>> Cordialement.
>>> >> >>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Cordialement.
>>> > Philippe Mouawad.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cordialement.
>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
I implemented what sebb proposed in his last comment.
Documented in :
https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54778
Feedback welcome.
@Sebb, regarding the subject :-) , where can we find the Template icon ?
Thanks
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Philippe Mouawad <
philippe.mouawad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9 September 2014 12:32, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:23 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 9 September 2014 09:00, Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > My opinion on the cached sample handling:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
>> >> > sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
>> >> > questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
>> >> > Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached
>> content,
>> >> > having "from cache" as size qualifier.
>> >> > 2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in
>> RFC.
>> >> > The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose
>> server
>> >> > can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client
>> should
>> >> > respect that.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would suggest following:
>> >> > a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
>> >> > and the response message also
>> >> > b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
>> >> > message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC
>> and
>> >> > may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
>> >> > original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
>> >> > c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior
>> is
>> >> > unambiguous
>> >>
>> >> It's a bit harder to detect the sample, which is why I was thinking
>> >> about defining a specific non-HTTP return code.
>> >> This could be done using a property to override the 200 code.
>> >>
>> >> Also JMeter does not cache the content, so the sample won't have any
>> data.
>> >> Post-Processors may need to be aware of this.
>> >> Though given that 204 status is also success, and was not excluded
>> >> previously, perhaps this is not an issue.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Not removing the sampleresults means erroneously impacting positively
>> > response time no ?
>>
>> Depends on how the response times are calculated.
>>
>> > Also regarding Andrei note on difference between browser showing 200
>> > (cache) vs JMeter not showing it,for me main JMeter job is simulate
>> > load on server and traffic between Browser and Server, so it should not
>> > report anything for Browser internal traffic.
>>
>> I don't think there is an ideal solution to this.
>> Some people will want to see all the samples executed by JMeter, and
>> some will need to see only the external requests.
>>
>> There are probably at least 3 approaches:
>> 1) return null sample (i.e. no sample)
>> 2) return sample with status 200 and message containing "(ex cache)" or
>> similar
>> 3) return sample with a different status, chosen by the user
>>
>
> Ok let's implement it then, would it be active through property ?
> What would be the default ?
>
>
>> > Regarding caching the content, the impact on JMeter memory would be
>> huge, I
>> > doubt it scales fine.
>>
>> Does not have to be purely a memory cache; it could be disk-based (as
>> most browsers use)
>>
> I think it would be IO overkill in this case. But why not some day
>
>>
>> >
>> >> > Andrey Pokhilko
>> >> >
>> >> > On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
>> >> >> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <
>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> >>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
>> >> >>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be
>> >> separate
>> >> >>>>>>>> user threads]
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo
>> >> feature
>> >> >>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>>> nightly build
>> >> >>>>>>>> +1
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and
>> I
>> >> >>>> think
>> >> >>>>>> sebb
>> >> >>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern
>> is
>> >> >>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other
>> applications,
>> >> so
>> >> >>>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>> wonder
>> >> >>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>> >> >>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from
>> OpenOffice?
>> >> >>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left
>> >> corner.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Nice one
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as
>> we
>> >> all
>> >> >>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the
>> need
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>> add a
>> >> >>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert
>> to <
>> >> >>>> 2.12
>> >> >>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is
>> >> that
>> >> >>>> we
>> >> >>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>> >> >>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by
>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> What about this:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in
>> cache
>> >> >>>> then:
>> >> >>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204
>> response
>> >> >>>> code
>> >> >>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>> >> >>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>> >> >>>>>> SampleResult
>> >> >>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> This change will affect:
>> >> >>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
>> >> >>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
>> >> >>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert
>> back
>> >> to <=
>> >> >>>>>> 2.11
>> >> >>>>>>> behaviour
>> >> >>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>> >> >>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>> >> >>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>> >> >>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Ok
>> >> >>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>> >> >>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users
>> are not
>> >> >>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>> >> >>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>> >> >>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter
>> discussion:
>> >> >>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> And see this:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
>> >> >>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather
>> than
>> >> >>>> no sample at all.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> You mean the last one ?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only
>> >> possible
>> >> >>>> one.
>> >> >>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would
>> >> lookup
>> >> >>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
>> >> >>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>> >> >>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
>> >> >>>> return the cache entry.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server
>> >> returned
>> >> >>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this
>> case.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for
>> the
>> >> >>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache
>> hit.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request
>> occurs
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing
>> servers.
>> >> >>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can
>> be
>> >> >>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for
>> me
>> >> for
>> >> >>> the reason I described above.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server,
>> then I
>> >> >>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
>> >> >>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
>> >> >>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> Yes this could be useful.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache
>> hit.
>> >> >>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently
>> cache
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> content.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540
>> ?
>> >> >> Not really.
>> >> >> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
>> >> >> an enhancement request to add such caching.
>> >> >> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
>> >> >> which is quite different.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
>> >> >>>> actual server request?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
>> >> >> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
>> >> >> Request a URL.
>> >> >> Assume it is cached.
>> >> >> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
>> >> >> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did
>> >> originally.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
>> >> >> served from cache or from the server?
>> >> >> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
>> >> >> server is faster than the clock granularity
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippe
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <
>> >> milamberspace@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right
>> one.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me
>> maybe a
>> >> >>>>>> better
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> option
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users
>> I
>> >> >>>> think
>> >> >>>>>>>> which
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>> >> >>>>>> introduce
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1
>> box, not
>> >> >>>>>> several
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a
>> software).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the
>> best
>> >> >>>>>> icon?)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <
>> >> milamber@apache.org
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon.
>> It's
>> >> >>>> more
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from
>> scratch,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a
>> >> test
>> >> >>>>>> plan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> that I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they
>> >> will
>> >> >>>>>>>> likely
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I
>> >> can't
>> >> >>>>>> know
>> >> >>>>>>>> if
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar.
>> If in
>> >> >>>>>>>> future,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we
>> can
>> >> >>>>>> change
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> easily
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> >>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <
>> milamber@apache.org>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <
>> >> milamber@apache.org
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>> >> >>>>>> dedicated
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> button
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon
>> to
>> >> >>>> this
>> >> >>>>>>>> action
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two
>> different
>> >> >>>>>>>> colors),
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
>> >> >>>> Wizard
>> >> >>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >> >>>>>> http://www.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's
>> >> very
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> difficult
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>> >> >>>>>> bahavior.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>> >> >>>> http://openiconlibrary
>> >> >>>>>> .
>> >> >>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >> >>>> http://www.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for
>> me
>> >> at
>> >> >>>>>> this
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
>> >> >>>> position in
>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/
>> <
>> >> >>>>>> http://www
>> >> >>>>>>>> .
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or
>> >> just
>> >> >>>>>> after
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>> >> >>>> Selection
>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cut.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon?
>> the
>> >> >>>> best
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>> >> >>>>>>>> <http:/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> --
>> >> >>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Cordialement.
>> >> >>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cordialement.
>> > Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
>
>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 September 2014 12:32, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:23 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9 September 2014 09:00, Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > My opinion on the cached sample handling:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
> >> > sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
> >> > questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
> >> > Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached
> content,
> >> > having "from cache" as size qualifier.
> >> > 2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in
> RFC.
> >> > The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose server
> >> > can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client
> should
> >> > respect that.
> >> >
> >> > I would suggest following:
> >> > a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
> >> > and the response message also
> >> > b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
> >> > message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC and
> >> > may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
> >> > original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
> >> > c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior
> is
> >> > unambiguous
> >>
> >> It's a bit harder to detect the sample, which is why I was thinking
> >> about defining a specific non-HTTP return code.
> >> This could be done using a property to override the 200 code.
> >>
> >> Also JMeter does not cache the content, so the sample won't have any
> data.
> >> Post-Processors may need to be aware of this.
> >> Though given that 204 status is also success, and was not excluded
> >> previously, perhaps this is not an issue.
> >>
> >
> > Not removing the sampleresults means erroneously impacting positively
> > response time no ?
>
> Depends on how the response times are calculated.
>
> > Also regarding Andrei note on difference between browser showing 200
> > (cache) vs JMeter not showing it,for me main JMeter job is simulate
> > load on server and traffic between Browser and Server, so it should not
> > report anything for Browser internal traffic.
>
> I don't think there is an ideal solution to this.
> Some people will want to see all the samples executed by JMeter, and
> some will need to see only the external requests.
>
> There are probably at least 3 approaches:
> 1) return null sample (i.e. no sample)
> 2) return sample with status 200 and message containing "(ex cache)" or
> similar
> 3) return sample with a different status, chosen by the user
>
Ok let's implement it then, would it be active through property ?
What would be the default ?
> > Regarding caching the content, the impact on JMeter memory would be
> huge, I
> > doubt it scales fine.
>
> Does not have to be purely a memory cache; it could be disk-based (as
> most browsers use)
>
I think it would be IO overkill in this case. But why not some day
>
> >
> >> > Andrey Pokhilko
> >> >
> >> > On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
> >> >> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <
> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <
> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <
> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
> >> >>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> Hello All,
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
> >> >>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be
> >> separate
> >> >>>>>>>> user threads]
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo
> >> feature
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>> nightly build
> >> >>>>>>>> +1
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
> >> >>>> think
> >> >>>>>> sebb
> >> >>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern
> is
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other
> applications,
> >> so
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>>>>>> wonder
> >> >>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
> >> >>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> >> >>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left
> >> corner.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Nice one
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we
> >> all
> >> >>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the
> need
> >> to
> >> >>>>>> add a
> >> >>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to
> <
> >> >>>> 2.12
> >> >>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is
> >> that
> >> >>>> we
> >> >>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
> >> >>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by
> the
> >> >>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> What about this:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in
> cache
> >> >>>> then:
> >> >>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204
> response
> >> >>>> code
> >> >>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
> >> >>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
> >> >>>>>> SampleResult
> >> >>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> This change will affect:
> >> >>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
> >> >>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
> >> >>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back
> >> to <=
> >> >>>>>> 2.11
> >> >>>>>>> behaviour
> >> >>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
> >> >>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
> >> >>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
> >> >>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Ok
> >> >>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
> >> >>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are
> not
> >> >>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
> >> >>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
> >> >>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
> >> >>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> And see this:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
> >> >>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather
> than
> >> >>>> no sample at all.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You mean the last one ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only
> >> possible
> >> >>>> one.
> >> >>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would
> >> lookup
> >> >>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
> >> >>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
> >> >>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
> >> >>>> return the cache entry.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server
> >> returned
> >> >>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this
> case.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for
> the
> >> >>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache
> hit.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing
> servers.
> >> >>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can
> be
> >> >>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for
> me
> >> for
> >> >>> the reason I described above.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server,
> then I
> >> >>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
> >> >>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
> >> >>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Yes this could be useful.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache
> hit.
> >> >>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache
> >> the
> >> >>>> content.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
> >> >> Not really.
> >> >> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
> >> >> an enhancement request to add such caching.
> >> >> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
> >> >> which is quite different.
> >> >>
> >> >>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
> >> >>>> actual server request?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
> >> >> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
> >> >>
> >> >> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
> >> >> Request a URL.
> >> >> Assume it is cached.
> >> >> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
> >> >> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did
> >> originally.
> >> >>
> >> >> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
> >> >> served from cache or from the server?
> >> >> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
> >> >> server is faster than the clock granularity
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippe
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <
> >> milamberspace@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe
> a
> >> >>>>>> better
> >> >>>>>>>>>> option
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
> >> >>>> think
> >> >>>>>>>> which
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
> >> >>>>>> introduce
> >> >>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box,
> not
> >> >>>>>> several
> >> >>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a
> software).
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the
> best
> >> >>>>>> icon?)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <
> >> milamber@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon.
> It's
> >> >>>> more
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from
> scratch,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a
> >> test
> >> >>>>>> plan
> >> >>>>>>>>>> that I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they
> >> will
> >> >>>>>>>> likely
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I
> >> can't
> >> >>>>>> know
> >> >>>>>>>> if
> >> >>>>>>>>>> we
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar.
> If in
> >> >>>>>>>> future,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we
> can
> >> >>>>>> change
> >> >>>>>>>>>> easily
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
> >> >>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
> >
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <
> >> milamber@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
> >> >>>>>> dedicated
> >> >>>>>>>>>> button
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon
> to
> >> >>>> this
> >> >>>>>>>> action
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two
> different
> >> >>>>>>>> colors),
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
> >> >>>> Wizard
> >> >>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >> >>>>>> http://www.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's
> >> very
> >> >>>>>>>>>> difficult
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
> >> >>>>>> bahavior.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
> >> >>>> http://openiconlibrary
> >> >>>>>> .
> >> >>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >> >>>> http://www.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for
> me
> >> at
> >> >>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
> >> >>>> position in
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >> >>>>>> http://www
> >> >>>>>>>> .
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or
> >> just
> >> >>>>>> after
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
> >> >>>> Selection
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cut.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon?
> the
> >> >>>> best
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
> >> >>>>>>>> <http:/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Cordialement.
> >> >>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordialement.
> > Philippe Mouawad.
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 9 September 2014 12:32, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:23 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9 September 2014 09:00, Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > My opinion on the cached sample handling:
>> >
>> > 1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
>> > sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
>> > questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
>> > Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached content,
>> > having "from cache" as size qualifier.
>> > 2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in RFC.
>> > The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose server
>> > can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client should
>> > respect that.
>> >
>> > I would suggest following:
>> > a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
>> > and the response message also
>> > b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
>> > message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC and
>> > may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
>> > original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
>> > c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior is
>> > unambiguous
>>
>> It's a bit harder to detect the sample, which is why I was thinking
>> about defining a specific non-HTTP return code.
>> This could be done using a property to override the 200 code.
>>
>> Also JMeter does not cache the content, so the sample won't have any data.
>> Post-Processors may need to be aware of this.
>> Though given that 204 status is also success, and was not excluded
>> previously, perhaps this is not an issue.
>>
>
> Not removing the sampleresults means erroneously impacting positively
> response time no ?
Depends on how the response times are calculated.
> Also regarding Andrei note on difference between browser showing 200
> (cache) vs JMeter not showing it,for me main JMeter job is simulate
> load on server and traffic between Browser and Server, so it should not
> report anything for Browser internal traffic.
I don't think there is an ideal solution to this.
Some people will want to see all the samples executed by JMeter, and
some will need to see only the external requests.
There are probably at least 3 approaches:
1) return null sample (i.e. no sample)
2) return sample with status 200 and message containing "(ex cache)" or similar
3) return sample with a different status, chosen by the user
> Regarding caching the content, the impact on JMeter memory would be huge, I
> doubt it scales fine.
Does not have to be purely a memory cache; it could be disk-based (as
most browsers use)
>
>> > Andrey Pokhilko
>> >
>> > On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
>> >> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <
>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <
>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
>> >>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be
>> separate
>> >>>>>>>> user threads]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo
>> feature
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> nightly build
>> >>>>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
>> >>>> think
>> >>>>>> sebb
>> >>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications,
>> so
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> wonder
>> >>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>> >>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left
>> corner.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Nice one
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we
>> all
>> >>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need
>> to
>> >>>>>> add a
>> >>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to <
>> >>>> 2.12
>> >>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is
>> that
>> >>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>> >>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>> >>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> What about this:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
>> >>>> then:
>> >>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response
>> >>>> code
>> >>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>> >>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>> >>>>>> SampleResult
>> >>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> This change will affect:
>> >>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
>> >>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
>> >>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back
>> to <=
>> >>>>>> 2.11
>> >>>>>>> behaviour
>> >>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>> >>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>> >>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>> >>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ok
>> >>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>> >>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
>> >>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>> >>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>> >>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And see this:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
>> >>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
>> >>>> no sample at all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You mean the last one ?
>> >>>
>> >>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only
>> possible
>> >>>> one.
>> >>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would
>> lookup
>> >>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
>> >>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>> >>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
>> >>>> return the cache entry.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server
>> returned
>> >>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the
>> >>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>> >>>
>> >>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
>> >>>
>> >>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
>> >>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
>> >>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me
>> for
>> >>> the reason I described above.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
>> >>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
>> >>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
>> >>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Yes this could be useful.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
>> >>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache
>> the
>> >>>> content.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>> >>>>
>> >>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
>> >> Not really.
>> >> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
>> >> an enhancement request to add such caching.
>> >> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
>> >> which is quite different.
>> >>
>> >>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
>> >>>> actual server request?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
>> >> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
>> >>
>> >> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
>> >> Request a URL.
>> >> Assume it is cached.
>> >> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
>> >> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did
>> originally.
>> >>
>> >> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
>> >> served from cache or from the server?
>> >> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
>> >> server is faster than the clock granularity
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>> Philippe
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <
>> milamberspace@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
>> >>>>>> better
>> >>>>>>>>>> option
>> >>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
>> >>>> think
>> >>>>>>>> which
>> >>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>> >>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>> >>>>>> introduce
>> >>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
>> >>>>>> several
>> >>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
>> >>>>>> icon?)
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <
>> milamber@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's
>> >>>> more
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a
>> test
>> >>>>>> plan
>> >>>>>>>>>> that I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they
>> will
>> >>>>>>>> likely
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I
>> can't
>> >>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>> >>>>>>>> future,
>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
>> >>>>>> change
>> >>>>>>>>>> easily
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <
>> milamber@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>> >>>>>> dedicated
>> >>>>>>>>>> button
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>>>>> action
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>> >>>>>>>> colors),
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
>> >>>> Wizard
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >>>>>> http://www.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's
>> very
>> >>>>>>>>>> difficult
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>> >>>>>> bahavior.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>> >>>> http://openiconlibrary
>> >>>>>> .
>> >>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >>>> http://www.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me
>> at
>> >>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
>> >>>> position in
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >>>>>> http://www
>> >>>>>>>> .
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or
>> just
>> >>>>>> after
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>> >>>> Selection
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> Cut.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
>> >>>> best
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>> >>>>>>>> <http:/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Cordialement.
>> >>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Cordialement.
>> >>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:23 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 September 2014 09:00, Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My opinion on the cached sample handling:
> >
> > 1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
> > sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
> > questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
> > Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached content,
> > having "from cache" as size qualifier.
> > 2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in RFC.
> > The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose server
> > can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client should
> > respect that.
> >
> > I would suggest following:
> > a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
> > and the response message also
> > b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
> > message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC and
> > may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
> > original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
> > c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior is
> > unambiguous
>
> It's a bit harder to detect the sample, which is why I was thinking
> about defining a specific non-HTTP return code.
> This could be done using a property to override the 200 code.
>
> Also JMeter does not cache the content, so the sample won't have any data.
> Post-Processors may need to be aware of this.
> Though given that 204 status is also success, and was not excluded
> previously, perhaps this is not an issue.
>
Not removing the sampleresults means erroneously impacting positively
response time no ?
Also regarding Andrei note on difference between browser showing 200
(cache) vs JMeter not showing it,for me main JMeter job is simulate
load on server and traffic between Browser and Server, so it should not
report anything for Browser internal traffic.
Regarding caching the content, the impact on JMeter memory would be huge, I
doubt it scales fine.
> > Andrey Pokhilko
> >
> > On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
> >> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <
> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <
> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
> >>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
> >>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be
> separate
> >>>>>>>> user threads]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo
> feature
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> nightly build
> >>>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
> >>>> think
> >>>>>> sebb
> >>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications,
> so
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>> wonder
> >>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> >>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left
> corner.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nice one
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we
> all
> >>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need
> to
> >>>>>> add a
> >>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to <
> >>>> 2.12
> >>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is
> that
> >>>> we
> >>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
> >>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
> >>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What about this:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
> >>>> then:
> >>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response
> >>>> code
> >>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
> >>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
> >>>>>> SampleResult
> >>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This change will affect:
> >>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
> >>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
> >>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back
> to <=
> >>>>>> 2.11
> >>>>>>> behaviour
> >>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
> >>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
> >>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
> >>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok
> >>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
> >>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
> >>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
> >>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
> >>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
> >>>>
> >>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
> >>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And see this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
> >>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>
> >>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
> >>>> no sample at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> You mean the last one ?
> >>>
> >>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only
> possible
> >>>> one.
> >>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would
> lookup
> >>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
> >>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
> >>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
> >>>> return the cache entry.
> >>>>
> >>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server
> returned
> >>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case.
> >>>
> >>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
> >>>>
> >>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the
> >>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
> >>>
> >>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
> >>>>
> >>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
> >>>
> >>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
> >>>>
> >>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
> >>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
> >>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
> >>>>
> >>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me
> for
> >>> the reason I described above.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
> >>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
> >>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
> >>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
> >>>>
> >>> Yes this could be useful.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
> >>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache
> the
> >>>> content.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
> >>>>
> >>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
> >>>>
> >>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
> >> Not really.
> >> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
> >> an enhancement request to add such caching.
> >> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
> >> which is quite different.
> >>
> >>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
> >>>> actual server request?
> >>>>
> >>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
> >> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
> >>
> >> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
> >> Request a URL.
> >> Assume it is cached.
> >> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
> >> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did
> originally.
> >>
> >> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
> >> served from cache or from the server?
> >> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
> >> server is faster than the clock granularity
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>> Philippe
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <
> milamberspace@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
> >>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>>>> option
> >>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
> >>>> think
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
> >>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
> >>>>>> introduce
> >>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
> >>>>>> several
> >>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
> >>>>>> icon?)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <
> milamber@apache.org
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's
> >>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a
> test
> >>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they
> will
> >>>>>>>> likely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I
> can't
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
> >>>>>>>> future,
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
> >>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>>> easily
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
> >>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <
> milamber@apache.org
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
> >>>>>> dedicated
> >>>>>>>>>> button
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to
> >>>> this
> >>>>>>>> action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
> >>>>>>>> colors),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
> >>>> Wizard
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >>>>>> http://www.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's
> very
> >>>>>>>>>> difficult
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
> >>>>>> bahavior.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
> >>>> http://openiconlibrary
> >>>>>> .
> >>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >>>> http://www.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me
> at
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
> >>>> position in
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >>>>>> http://www
> >>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or
> just
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
> >>>> Selection
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> Cut.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
> >>>> best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**
> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
> >>>>>>>> <http:/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
> >>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Cordialement.
> >>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cordialement.
> >>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cordialement.
> >>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 9 September 2014 09:00, Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My opinion on the cached sample handling:
>
> 1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
> sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
> questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
> Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached content,
> having "from cache" as size qualifier.
> 2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in RFC.
> The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose server
> can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client should
> respect that.
>
> I would suggest following:
> a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
> and the response message also
> b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
> message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC and
> may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
> original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
> c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior is
> unambiguous
It's a bit harder to detect the sample, which is why I was thinking
about defining a specific non-HTTP return code.
This could be done using a property to override the 200 code.
Also JMeter does not cache the content, so the sample won't have any data.
Post-Processors may need to be aware of this.
Though given that 204 status is also success, and was not excluded
previously, perhaps this is not an issue.
> Andrey Pokhilko
>
> On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
>> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
>>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
>>>>>>>> user threads]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> nightly build
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
>>>> think
>>>>>> sebb
>>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice one
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
>>>>>> add a
>>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to <
>>>> 2.12
>>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
>>>> then:
>>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response
>>>> code
>>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>>>>>> SampleResult
>>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This change will affect:
>>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
>>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
>>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
>>>>>> 2.11
>>>>>>> behaviour
>>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok
>>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
>>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
>>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>>>>>
>>>>> And see this:
>>>>>
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
>>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>
>>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
>>>> no sample at all.
>>>>
>>>> You mean the last one ?
>>>
>>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible
>>>> one.
>>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
>>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
>>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
>>>> return the cache entry.
>>>>
>>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server returned
>>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case.
>>>
>>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>>>>
>>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the
>>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>>>
>>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
>>>>
>>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
>>>
>>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>>>>
>>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
>>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
>>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>>>>
>>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me for
>>> the reason I described above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
>>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
>>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
>>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>>>>
>>> Yes this could be useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
>>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the
>>>> content.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>>>>
>>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>>>>
>>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
>> Not really.
>> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
>> an enhancement request to add such caching.
>> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
>> which is quite different.
>>
>>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
>>>> actual server request?
>>>>
>>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
>> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
>>
>> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
>> Request a URL.
>> Assume it is cached.
>> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
>> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did originally.
>>
>> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
>> served from cache or from the server?
>> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
>> server is faster than the clock granularity
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
>>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
>>>> think
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>>>>>> introduce
>>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
>>>>>> icon?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's
>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>>>>>>>> future,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>>>>>> dedicated
>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to
>>>> this
>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>>>>>>>> colors),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
>>>> Wizard
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>>>>> http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>>>>>> bahavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>>>> http://openiconlibrary
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>>> http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
>>>> position in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>>>>> http://www
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>>>> Selection
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>>>>>>>> <http:/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cordialement.
>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Andrey Pohilko <ap...@ya.ru>.
Hi,
My opinion on the cached sample handling:
1. Not returning sample is wrong. Once user has Sampler he expects
sample to be generated in that place. Without a sample we will have
questions "what's happening" from users. If we look into Firebug or
Developer Tools, we'll see that there are "samples' for cached content,
having "from cache" as size qualifier.
2. Response code 204 is also wrong, it means different situation in RFC.
The response code should be one from cached response. I suppose server
can set caching headers for any of 2xx coded responses and client should
respect that.
I would suggest following:
a) return the code that were present in original cached response.
and the response message also
b) in case of cached response add " (cached)" string to response
message. Response message string is not defined as required by RFC and
may contain any string in it, it is 100% informational. For example,
original sample "200 OK" will look as "200 OK (cached)"
c) enable this by default, no property needed since the behavior is
unambiguous
Andrey Pokhilko
On 09.09.2014 00:41, sebb wrote:
> On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We could make a poll with 3 items:
>>>>>>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
>>>>>>> user threads]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature
>>> in
>>>>>>>> nightly build
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
>>> think
>>>>> sebb
>>>>>>>> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
>>> that
>>>>>>>> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so
>>> I
>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>>>>>>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>>>>>>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>>>>>>> agree that the new icon is better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
>>>>> add a
>>>>>>>> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to <
>>> 2.12
>>>>>>>> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that
>>> we
>>>>>>>> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>>>>>>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>>>>>>> change in behaviour?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
>>> then:
>>>>>> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response
>>> code
>>>>>> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>>>>>> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>>>>> SampleResult
>>>>>> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This change will affect:
>>>>>> - the number of Samples in results
>>>>>> - the average, median response time reported
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We propose 2 options to handle this:
>>>>>> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
>>>>> 2.11
>>>>>> behaviour
>>>>>> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>>>>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>>>>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>>>>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok
>>>>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>>>>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
>>>>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>>>>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>>>>>
>>>> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>>>
>>>> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
>>>> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>>>>
>>>> And see this:
>>>>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
>>>> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>
>>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
>>> no sample at all.
>>>
>>> You mean the last one ?
>>
>>>> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible
>>> one.
>>>>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
>>>> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
>>>> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
>>> return the cache entry.
>>>
>> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server returned
>> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case.
>>
>>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>>>
>> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the
>> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>>
>>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
>>>
>> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
>>
>>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>>>
>>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
>>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
>>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>>>
>> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me for
>> the reason I described above.
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
>>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
>>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
>>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>>>
>> Yes this could be useful.
>>
>>
>>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
>>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the
>>> content.
>>>
>>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>>>
>>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>>>
>> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
> Not really.
> That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
> an enhancement request to add such caching.
> Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
> which is quite different.
>
>>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
>>> actual server request?
>>>
>>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
> Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
>
> Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
> Request a URL.
> Assume it is cached.
> Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
> JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did originally.
>
> If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
> served from cache or from the server?
> Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
> server is faster than the clock granularity
>
>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>> even if it's not really a wizard.
>>>>>>>>>> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
>>> think
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> does not encourage its usage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>>>>> introduce
>>>>>>>>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
>>>>> icon?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's
>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>>>>>>>>> Template=>New
>>>>>>>>>>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
>>>>> know
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>>>>>>> future,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>>> the order.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and we need to drop the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>>>>>>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for app office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>>>>> dedicated
>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to
>>> this
>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>>>>>>> colors),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
>>> Wizard
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>>>> http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>>>>> bahavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>>> http://openiconlibrary
>>>>> .
>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>> http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
>>> position in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>>>>> http://www
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>>> Selection
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>>>>>>> <http:/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cordialement.
>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cordialement.
>> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 8 September 2014 21:21, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hello All,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
>> >> >> user threads]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature
>> in
>> >> >> > nightly build
>> >> >>
>> >> >> +1
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
>> think
>> >> sebb
>> >> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
>> that
>> >> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so
>> I
>> >> >> wonder
>> >> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>> >> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here's a screenshot:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Nice one
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>> >> >> agree that the new icon is better.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
>> >> add a
>> >> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to <
>> 2.12
>> >> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that
>> we
>> >> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>> >> >> change in behaviour?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > What about this:
>> >> >
>> >> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
>> then:
>> >> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response
>> code
>> >> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>> >> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>> >> SampleResult
>> >> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>> >> >
>> >> > This change will affect:
>> >> > - the number of Samples in results
>> >> > - the average, median response time reported
>> >> >
>> >> > We propose 2 options to handle this:
>> >> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
>> >> 2.11
>> >> > behaviour
>> >> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>> >> >
>> >> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>> >>
>> >> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>> >> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>> >> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>> >>
>> >> Ok
>> >
>> >> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>> >> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
>> >> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>> >> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>> >>
>> >
>> > No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>>
>> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>>
>> > As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
>> > https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>> >
>> > And see this:
>> >
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
>> > https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
>> >
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
>> no sample at all.
>>
>> You mean the last one ?
>
>
>> > So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible
>> one.
>> >> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
>> > cache and not hit server and not return 204.
>> > 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>>
>> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
>> return the cache entry.
>>
> Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server returned
> an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case.
>
>>
>> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>>
> Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the
> browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>
>>
>> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
>>
> Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
>
>> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>>
>> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
>> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
>> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>>
>
> Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me for
> the reason I described above.
>
>
>
>> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
>> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
>> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
>> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>>
>
> Yes this could be useful.
>
>
>>
>> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
>> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the
>> content.
>>
>> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>>
>> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>>
> You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
Not really.
That issue is a consequence of not caching the content, not actually
an enhancement request to add such caching.
Indeed one solution was to cache just the embedded resource URLs,
which is quite different.
>> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
>> actual server request?
>>
>> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
Seems too obvious to need explaining, but here goes:
Assume JMeter has been enhanced to cache the full content of a URL.
Request a URL.
Assume it is cached.
Request the same URL, assume the cache entry has not expired.
JMeter can then return the entire contents, exactly as it did originally.
If it returns 200, how can one tell from the response whether it was
served from cache or from the server?
Note that a server request can have an elapsed time of zero if the
server is faster than the clock granularity
>
>>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> > Philippe
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> >> >> >> > Hello,
>> >> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
>> >> better
>> >> >> >> option
>> >> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
>> >> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
>> think
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> >> > does not encourage its usage.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thoughts ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>> >> introduce
>> >> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
>> >> several
>> >> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>> >> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
>> >> icon?)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> >> > Philippe
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's
>> more
>> >> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>> >> >> >> Template=>New
>> >> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
>> >> plan
>> >> >> >> that I
>> >> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
>> >> >> likely
>> >> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
>> >> know
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>> >> >> future,
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
>> >> change
>> >> >> >> easily
>> >> >> >> >> the order.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Milamber
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
>> >> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>> >> dedicated
>> >> >> >> button
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to
>> this
>> >> >> action
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>> >> >> colors),
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
>> Wizard
>> >> in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >> http://www.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>> >> >> >> difficult
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>> >> bahavior.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
>> http://openiconlibrary
>> >> .
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> :
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> http://www.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
>> >> this
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> position.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
>> position in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> >> http://www
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
>> >> after
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
>> Selection
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> Cut.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
>> best
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>> >> >> <http:/
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Cordialement.
>> >> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Cordialement.
>> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cordialement.
>> > Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <
> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
> >> >>
> >> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
> >> >> user threads]
> >> >>
> >> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature
> in
> >> >> > nightly build
> >> >>
> >> >> +1
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I
> think
> >> sebb
> >> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is
> that
> >> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so
> I
> >> >> wonder
> >> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> >> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's a screenshot:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Nice one
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
> >> >> agree that the new icon is better.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
> >> add a
> >> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to <
> 2.12
> >> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that
> we
> >> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
> >> >>
> >> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
> >> >> change in behaviour?
> >> >>
> >> >> It will depend on how the information is presented.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > What about this:
> >> >
> >> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache
> then:
> >> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response
> code
> >> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
> >> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
> >> SampleResult
> >> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
> >> >
> >> > This change will affect:
> >> > - the number of Samples in results
> >> > - the average, median response time reported
> >> >
> >> > We propose 2 options to handle this:
> >> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
> >> 2.11
> >> > behaviour
> >> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
> >> >
> >> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
> >> >
> >> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
> >>
> >> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
> >> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
> >> Adding the property does not need a vote.
> >>
> >> Ok
> >
> >> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
> >> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
> >> unhappy with the current behaviour.
> >> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
> >>
> >
> > No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
>
> It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
>
> > As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
> > https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
> >
> > And see this:
> >
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
> > https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
> no sample at all.
>
> You mean the last one ?
> > So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
> >
> >
> >> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible
> one.
> >> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
> >>
> >>
> > For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
> > cache and not hit server and not return 204.
> > 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
>
> Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
> return the cache entry.
>
Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server returned
an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case.
>
> Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
>
Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the
browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics)
>
> There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
>
Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs
> I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
>
> JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
> So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
> analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
>
Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me for
the reason I described above.
> If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
> agree that cached responses can be ignored.
> But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
> support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
>
Yes this could be useful.
>
> An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
> Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the
> content.
>
> Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
>
> Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
>
You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ?
> What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
> actual server request?
>
> Could you give more details on this through an example ?
>
> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> > Philippe
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> >> >> >> > Hello,
> >> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
> >> better
> >> >> >> option
> >> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
> >> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I
> think
> >> >> which
> >> >> >> > does not encourage its usage.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thoughts ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
> >> introduce
> >> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
> >> several
> >> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
> >> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
> >> icon?)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >> > Philippe
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's
> more
> >> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
> >> >> >> Template=>New
> >> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
> >> plan
> >> >> >> that I
> >> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
> >> >> likely
> >> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
> >> know
> >> >> if
> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> >> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
> >> >> future,
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
> >> change
> >> >> >> easily
> >> >> >> >> the order.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Milamber
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
> >> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
> >> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <milamber@apache.org
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
> >> dedicated
> >> >> >> button
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to
> this
> >> >> action
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
> >> >> colors),
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a
> Wizard
> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >> http://www.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
> >> >> >> difficult
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
> >> bahavior.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<
> http://openiconlibrary
> >> .
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> :
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> http://www.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
> >> this
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> position.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of
> position in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> >> http://www
> >> >> .
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
> >> after
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save
> Selection
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Cut.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the
> best
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
> >> >> <http:/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Cordialement.
> >> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Cordialement.
> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordialement.
> > Philippe Mouawad.
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello All,
>> >> >
>> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
>> >>
>> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
>> >> user threads]
>> >>
>> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
>> >> > nightly build
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >
>> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think
>> sebb
>> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
>> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
>> >> wonder
>> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a screenshot:
>> >>
>> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>> >>
>> >
>> > Nice one
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>> >> agree that the new icon is better.
>> >>
>> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
>> add a
>> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
>> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
>> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>> >>
>> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>> >> change in behaviour?
>> >>
>> >> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What about this:
>> >
>> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache then:
>> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code
>> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
>> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
>> SampleResult
>> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>> >
>> > This change will affect:
>> > - the number of Samples in results
>> > - the average, median response time reported
>> >
>> > We propose 2 options to handle this:
>> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
>> 2.11
>> > behaviour
>> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>> >
>> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>> >
>> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>>
>> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
>> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
>> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>>
>> Ok
>
>> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
>> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
>> unhappy with the current behaviour.
>> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>>
>
> No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
It would help to link to these on the Bug report.
> As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
> https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
>
> And see this:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
> https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than
no sample at all.
> So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
>
>
>> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible one.
>> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>>
>>
> For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
> cache and not hit server and not return 204.
> 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would
return the cache entry.
Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do.
There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit.
I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest.
JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers.
So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be
analysed to show the appropriate performance figures.
If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I
agree that cached responses can be ignored.
But if one is interested in the client load that the server can
support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits.
An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit.
Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the content.
Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status?
Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content.
What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an
actual server request?
>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Philippe
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> >> >> > Hello,
>> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
>> better
>> >> >> option
>> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
>> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think
>> >> which
>> >> >> > does not encourage its usage.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thoughts ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
>> introduce
>> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
>> several
>> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
>> icon?)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> > Philippe
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>> >> >> Template=>New
>> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
>> plan
>> >> >> that I
>> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
>> >> likely
>> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
>> know
>> >> if
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>> >> future,
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
>> change
>> >> >> easily
>> >> >> >> the order.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Milamber
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
>> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
>> dedicated
>> >> >> button
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this
>> >> action
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>> >> colors),
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> http://www.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>> >> >> difficult
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
>> bahavior.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary
>> .
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>> >> >
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> :
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
>> this
>> >> >> >>>>>>> position.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
>> http://www
>> >> .
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
>> after
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection
>> >> and
>> >> >> Cut.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>> >> <http:/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Cordialement.
>> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cordialement.
>> > Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello All,
> >> >
> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
> >>
> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
> >> user threads]
> >>
> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
> >> > nightly build
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >
> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
> >
> >>
> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think
> sebb
> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
> >> wonder
> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
> >>
> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
> >>
> >> Here's a screenshot:
> >>
> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
> >>
> >
> > Nice one
> >
> >>
> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
> >> agree that the new icon is better.
> >>
> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to
> add a
> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
> >>
> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
> >> change in behaviour?
> >>
> >> It will depend on how the information is presented.
> >>
> >
> > What about this:
> >
> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache then:
> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code
> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more
> SampleResult
> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
> >
> > This change will affect:
> > - the number of Samples in results
> > - the average, median response time reported
> >
> > We propose 2 options to handle this:
> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <=
> 2.11
> > behaviour
> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
> >
> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
> >
> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
>
> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
> behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
> Adding the property does not need a vote.
>
> Ok
> However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
> unhappy with the current behaviour.
> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
>
No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion:
https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264
And see this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content
https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAH9fUpYXZ8+jXZP48L37yXA_vXnToQ4ghMHibG6kOpFOFe-Zag@mail.gmail.com%3E
So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed.
> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible one.
> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>
>
For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup
cache and not hit server and not return 204.
204 is a particular code that does not meet this case.
> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Philippe
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> >> >> > Hello,
> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a
> better
> >> >> option
> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think
> >> which
> >> >> > does not encourage its usage.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thoughts ?
> >> >>
> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems
> introduce
> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not
> several
> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best
> icon?)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> > Philippe
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
> >> >> Template=>New
> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test
> plan
> >> >> that I
> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
> >> likely
> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't
> know
> >> if
> >> >> we
> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
> >> future,
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can
> change
> >> >> easily
> >> >> >> the order.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Milamber
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a
> dedicated
> >> >> button
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this
> >> action
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
> >> colors),
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard
> in
> >> the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> http://www.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
> >> >> difficult
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates"
> bahavior.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary
> .
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
> >> >
> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
> >> >> >>>>>>>> :
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at
> this
> >> >> >>>>>>> position.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in
> >> the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<
> http://www
> >> .
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just
> after
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection
> >> and
> >> >> Cut.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
> >> <http:/
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Cordialement.
> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordialement.
> > Philippe Mouawad.
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
>>
>> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
>> user threads]
>>
>> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
>> > nightly build
>>
>> +1
>>
>
> Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>
>>
>> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
>> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
>> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
>> wonder
>> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>>
>> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
>> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>>
>> Here's a screenshot:
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>>
>
> Nice one
>
>>
>> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
>> agree that the new icon is better.
>>
>> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to add a
>> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
>> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
>> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>>
>> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
>> change in behaviour?
>>
>> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>>
>
> What about this:
>
> When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache then:
> - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code
> with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
> - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more SampleResult
> will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
>
> This change will affect:
> - the number of Samples in results
> - the average, median response time reported
>
> We propose 2 options to handle this:
> (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11
> behaviour
> (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
>
> Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
>
> Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the
behaviour is the obvious thing to do.
Adding the property does not need a vote.
However, I'm not sure we should change the default.
There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not
unhappy with the current behaviour.
Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager.
Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible one.
It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely.
>
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Philippe
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>> >> >
>> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better
>> >> option
>> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
>> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think
>> which
>> >> > does not encourage its usage.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thoughts ?
>> >>
>> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems introduce
>> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not several
>> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best icon?)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Philippe
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>> >> Template=>New
>> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan
>> >> that I
>> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
>> likely
>> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know
>> if
>> >> we
>> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
>> future,
>> >> the
>> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change
>> >> easily
>> >> >> the order.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Milamber
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
>> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
>> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated
>> >> button
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this
>> action
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
>> colors),
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in
>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>> >> difficult
>> >> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
>> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
>> >> >>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
>> >
>> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >> >>>>>>>> :
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>> >> >>>>>>> position.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in
>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www
>> .
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection
>> and
>> >> Cut.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>> <http:/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cordialement.
>> > Philippe Mouawad.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > We could make a poll with 3 items:
>
> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
> user threads]
>
> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
> > nightly build
>
> +1
>
Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling
>
> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I
> wonder
> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
>
> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
>
> Here's a screenshot:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
>
Nice one
>
> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
> agree that the new icon is better.
>
> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to add a
> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
>
> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
> change in behaviour?
>
> It will depend on how the information is presented.
>
What about this:
When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache then:
- Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code
with empty content was returned as a SampleResult
- Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more SampleResult
will be created (this is inline with what browser do)
This change will affect:
- the number of Samples in results
- the average, median response time reported
We propose 2 options to handle this:
(1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11
behaviour
(2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour
Please vote depending on what would be better for you.
Or maybe we could use a doodle ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> >> > Hello,
> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
> >> >
> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better
> >> option
> >> > even if it's not really a wizard.
> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think
> which
> >> > does not encourage its usage.
> >> >
> >> > Thoughts ?
> >>
> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems introduce
> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not several
> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best icon?)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Philippe
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>
> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
> >> Template=>New
> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan
> >> that I
> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will
> likely
> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
> >> >>>
> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know
> if
> >> we
> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in
> future,
> >> the
> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change
> >> easily
> >> >> the order.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Milamber
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> and we need to drop the New
> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <
> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated
> >> button
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this
> action
> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different
> colors),
> >> >>>>>>>>>> which
> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in
> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal
> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
> >> difficult
> >> >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>>> find a
> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
> >> >>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
> >
> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
> >> >>>>>>>> :
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
> >> >>>>>>> position.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in
> the
> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www
> .
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection
> and
> >> Cut.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
> <http:/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> Cordialement.
> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordialement.
> > Philippe Mouawad.
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> We could make a poll with 3 items:
[This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate
user threads]
> 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
> nightly build
+1
> 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
> had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
> current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I wonder
> if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice?
This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner.
Here's a screenshot:
http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png
I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all
agree that the new icon is better.
> 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to add a
> user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
> behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
> should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the
change in behaviour?
It will depend on how the information is presented.
>
> Regards
> Philippe
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
>> > Hello,
>> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>> >
>> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better
>> option
>> > even if it's not really a wizard.
>> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think which
>> > does not encourage its usage.
>> >
>> > Thoughts ?
>>
>> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems introduce
>> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not several
>> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
>> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best icon?)
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Philippe
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>
>> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
>> Template=>New
>> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan
>> that I
>> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
>> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>> >>>
>> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know if
>> we
>> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in future,
>> the
>> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change
>> easily
>> >> the order.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Milamber
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> and we need to drop the New
>> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> +1 for app office
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated
>> button
>> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action
>> >>>>>>>>>> (with
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> license
>> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors),
>> >>>>>>>>>> which
>> >>>>>>>>>> is a
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the
>> >>>>>>>>>> normal
>> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
>> difficult
>> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> find a
>> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
>> >>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>> >>>>>>>> :
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>> >>>>>>> position.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and
>> Cut.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http:/
>> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Cordialement.
>> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>> >>>>>>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hello All,
We could make a poll with 3 items:
1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in
nightly build
2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think sebb
had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that
current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I wonder
if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it
3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to add a
user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12
behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we
should introduce this , asking community may be confusing
Regards
Philippe
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> > Hello,
> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
> >
> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better
> option
> > even if it's not really a wizard.
> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think which
> > does not encourage its usage.
> >
> > Thoughts ?
>
> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems introduce
> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not several
> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best icon?)
>
>
>
> >
> > Regards
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> >>
> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
> >>>>>
> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch,
> Template=>New
> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan
> that I
> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
> >>>
> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know if
> we
> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in future,
> the
> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change
> easily
> >> the order.
> >>
> >>
> >> Milamber
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> and we need to drop the New
> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> +1 for app office
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated
> button
> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action
> >>>>>>>>>> (with
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> license
> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors),
> >>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> magic
> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the
> >>>>>>>>>> normal
> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very
> difficult
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> find a
> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
> >>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
> >>>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've update the page:
> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
> >>>>>>> position.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
> >>>>>>>>> toolbar:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and
> Cut.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
> >>>>>>>>>> position/color?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http:/
> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Cordialement.
> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >>>>>>
> >
>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@gmail.com>.
Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit :
> Hello,
> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>
> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better option
> even if it's not really a wizard.
> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think which
> does not encourage its usage.
>
> Thoughts ?
No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems introduce
some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not several
steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software).
Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best icon?)
>
> Regards
> Philippe
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>>
>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>
>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that I
>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>>>
>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>>>
>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know if we
>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in future, the
>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change easily
>> the order.
>>
>>
>> Milamber
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> and we need to drop the New
>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for app office
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action
>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors),
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the
>>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
>>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http:/
>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>>
>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 31 August 2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
>
> The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better option
> even if it's not really a wizard.
OK by me
> The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think which
> does not encourage its usage.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> Philippe
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>>
>> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>
>>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
>>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that I
>>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>>>
>>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
>>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>>>
>>
>> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know if we
>> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
>> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in future, the
>> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change easily
>> the order.
>>
>>
>> Milamber
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> and we need to drop the New
>>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for app office
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action
>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors),
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the
>>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
>>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
>>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http:/
>>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one.
The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a better option
even if it's not really a wizard.
The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think which
does not encourage its usage.
Thoughts ?
Regards
Philippe
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
>
> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>>
>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that I
>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>>
>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
>> ignore the Template button very quickly..
>>
>
> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know if we
> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in future, the
> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change easily
> the order.
>
>
> Milamber
>
>
>
>
>
>> and we need to drop the New
>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>>>
>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 for app office
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action
>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors),
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the
>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://
>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/
>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.
>>>>>>> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://
>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/
>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.
>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after
>>>>>>>>>> "Open",
>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http:/
>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> Cordialement.
>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@apache.org>.
Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit :
> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>>
>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that I
>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>>
> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
> ignore the Template button very quickly..
The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't know if
we will have a plenty of templates (I hope this).
I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in future,
the users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can change
easily the order.
Milamber
>
>>> and we need to drop the New
>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>>
>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> +1 for app office
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>>>>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open",
>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cordialement.
>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
>>
>> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
>
>
> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that I
> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
>
Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will likely
ignore the Template button very quickly..
>
>> and we need to drop the New
>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>>
>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for app office
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>>>>> find a
>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>
>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>
>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>>>
>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>update
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>> I've update the page:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>
>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the
>>>>>> toolbar:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open",
>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best
>>>>>>> position/color?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Cordialement.
>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>
>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@apache.org>.
Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit :
> +1, but I think it should be after Open;
Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more
user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, Template=>New
test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test plan that
I create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter).
> and we need to drop the New
> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
>
> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for app office
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>>
>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>>
>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
>>>>>>> magic
>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>>>> find a
>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> What about one of the following?
>>>>
>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>update :
>>>>
>>> I've update the page:
>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>
>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this position.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> --
>> Cordialement.
>> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
+1, but I think it should be after Open; and we need to drop the New
icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second.
On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for app office
>
>
> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>>
>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>>
>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>>> license
>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>>
>>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>>
>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
>>>>>> magic
>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>>>> computing sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>
>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>>> find a
>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>>
>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>
>>> What about one of the following?
>>>
>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>update :
>>>
>>
>> I've update the page:
>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>
>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this position.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>>>>>
>>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>>> or
>>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>>
>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
+1 for app office
On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote:
>
> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
>
>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>>
>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>>> Toolbar.
>>>>>
>>>> Agreed.
>>>>
>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>>> license
>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>>>>
>>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>>
>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
>>>>> magic
>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>>>>
>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>>> computing sense.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>
>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
>>> find a
>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>>>
>> Yes, indeed.
>>
>> What about one of the following?
>>
>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png>
>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png>
>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./**
>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve>update :
>>
>
> I've update the page:
> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>
> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this position.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>>>>
>>>> New, Template, Open
>>>> or
>>>> New, Open, Template
>>>>
>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>>
>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>>>>
>>>>> Milamber
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./<http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@apache.org>.
Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit :
> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>>
>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>>> Toolbar.
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>>> license
>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>
>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
>>>> magic
>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>>> computing sense.
>>>
>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>>
>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>>
>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to find a
>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
> Yes, indeed.
>
> What about one of the following?
>
> http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png
> http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
> http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.pngve update :
I've update the page:
http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at this position.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>>>>
>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>>>
>>> New, Template, Open
>>> or
>>> New, Open, Template
>>>
>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>>
>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>>>
>>>> Milamber
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>>>>
>>>>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
>
>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>>> Toolbar.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with
>>> license
>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
>>
>> CC-BY-SA
>>
>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a
>>> magic
>>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
>>
>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
>> computing sense.
>>
>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
>> Basically it's a selection from a list.
>
>
> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>
> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to find a
> good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
Yes, indeed.
What about one of the following?
http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/categories/applications-office.png
http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png
http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/document-import-2.png
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>>
>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>>>
>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>>
>> New, Template, Open
>> or
>> New, Open, Template
>>
>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>>
>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>>
>>> Milamber
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by Milamber <mi...@apache.org>.
Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit :
> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
>> Toolbar.
> Agreed.
>
>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with license
>> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
> CC-BY-SA
>
>> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a magic
>> wand. In the sense of "magician".
> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
> computing sense.
>
> I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
> Basically it's a selection from a list.
I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) :
http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very difficult to
find a good icon with the good license for the "templates" bahavior.
>
>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>>
>> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>>
> I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
>
> New, Template, Open
> or
> New, Open, Template
>
> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
>
>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>>
>> Milamber
>>
>>
>> [1] http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>>
>>
Re: Add an icon form Templates in toolbar
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a dedicated button in
> Toolbar.
Agreed.
> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this action (with license
> CC-BT-SA 3.0).
CC-BY-SA
> I found two icons (the same but with two different colors), which is a magic
> wand. In the sense of "magician".
Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard in the normal
computing sense.
I think it's misleading to use a wand here.
Basically it's a selection from a list.
> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in the toolbar:
>
> http://www.milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/
>
I think any icon belongs either just before or just after "Open", i.e.
New, Template, Open
or
New, Open, Template
It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection and Cut.
> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best position/color?
>
> Milamber
>
>
> [1] http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./
>
>