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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID> on 2017/04/10 10:36:38 UTC
Some interesting market share study
Hi folks!
Got some tweet about a Java survey today and catched a very interesting thing.
Those are the numbers from the 2016 survey (2200 votes in summary): NetBeans 5.9% (133 votes)
http://www.baeldung.com/java-ides-2016
And now the 2017 numbers (4439 votes in summary) : 12.4% (549 votes).
I can only guess what caused this heavy increase of new users.
Might it be caused by the move to real open governance?
Or something else I missed?
LieGrue,
strub
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Le 10/04/2017 à 13:39, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit :
> Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:
>
>> I personally know at least a dozen devs who seriously tried NetBeans again
>> (most moving from Idea) after the move to the ASF got announced!
>> And that's just from the few people I spoke to.
>
>
> I think that indeed the move to Apache is going to bring in a range of new
> developers. Really looking forward to that!
count me as one of those devs !
I just switched from Eclipse to Netbeans for my C developments. So far,
for the better (but Eclipse has always been abysmally bad when it comes
to C...).
--
Emmanuel Lecharny
Symas.com
directory.apache.org
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:
> I personally know at least a dozen devs who seriously tried NetBeans again
> (most moving from Idea) after the move to the ASF got announced!
> And that's just from the few people I spoke to.
I think that indeed the move to Apache is going to bring in a range of new
developers. Really looking forward to that!
Gj
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:
>
> I can only guess what caused this heavy increase of new users.
>> Might it be caused by the move to real open governance?
>> Or something else I missed?
>
>
>
> I am totally skeptical about all surveys on software usage. I don't
> believe any of them, in any shape or form. They should be rejected,
> dismissed, ignored.
>
> They represent nothing other than the preferences of those who happened to
> fill out the survey and they say nothing else beyond that.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > I personally know at least a dozen devs who seriously tried NetBeans
>> again (most moving from Idea) after the move to the ASF got announced!
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> > Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
>> project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to do.
>>
>> Yes, it's quite detrimental. I'll open another thread about this,
>> hopefully
>> we'll see a clear answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Neil C Smith <
>> neilcsmith.net@googlemail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 at 11:51 Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I doubt the Apache move (which started late 2016) has any impact.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes. I'd agree with that - if any impact I'd expect it to happen with
>> the
>> > first Apache release - at the moment I reckon there are still a lot of
>> > people unaware of this process.
>> >
>> >
>> > If anything, I suspect the incubation will have a negative impact short
>> > term due to the ... websites moving,
>> >
>> >
>> > Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
>> > project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to
>> do.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Neil
>> > --
>> > Neil C Smith
>> > Artist & Technologist
>> > www.neilcsmith.net
>> >
>> > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>> www.praxislive.org
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:
I can only guess what caused this heavy increase of new users.
> Might it be caused by the move to real open governance?
> Or something else I missed?
I am totally skeptical about all surveys on software usage. I don't believe
any of them, in any shape or form. They should be rejected, dismissed,
ignored.
They represent nothing other than the preferences of those who happened to
fill out the survey and they say nothing else beyond that.
Gj
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > I personally know at least a dozen devs who seriously tried NetBeans
> again (most moving from Idea) after the move to the ASF got announced!
>
> Interesting.
>
> > Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
> project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to do.
>
> Yes, it's quite detrimental. I'll open another thread about this, hopefully
> we'll see a clear answer.
>
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Neil C Smith <
> neilcsmith.net@googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 at 11:51 Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I doubt the Apache move (which started late 2016) has any impact.
> >
> >
> > Yes. I'd agree with that - if any impact I'd expect it to happen with the
> > first Apache release - at the moment I reckon there are still a lot of
> > people unaware of this process.
> >
> >
> > If anything, I suspect the incubation will have a negative impact short
> > term due to the ... websites moving,
> >
> >
> > Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
> > project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to do.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> > --
> > Neil C Smith
> > Artist & Technologist
> > www.neilcsmith.net
> >
> > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
> >
>
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
> I personally know at least a dozen devs who seriously tried NetBeans
again (most moving from Idea) after the move to the ASF got announced!
Interesting.
> Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to do.
Yes, it's quite detrimental. I'll open another thread about this, hopefully
we'll see a clear answer.
--emi
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Neil C Smith <neilcsmith.net@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 at 11:51 Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I doubt the Apache move (which started late 2016) has any impact.
>
>
> Yes. I'd agree with that - if any impact I'd expect it to happen with the
> first Apache release - at the moment I reckon there are still a lot of
> people unaware of this process.
>
>
> If anything, I suspect the incubation will have a negative impact short
> term due to the ... websites moving,
>
>
> Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
> project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to do.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 at 11:51 Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
I doubt the Apache move (which started late 2016) has any impact.
Yes. I'd agree with that - if any impact I'd expect it to happen with the
first Apache release - at the moment I reckon there are still a lot of
people unaware of this process.
If anything, I suspect the incubation will have a negative impact short
term due to the ... websites moving,
Have asked this once before, but why is this happening? Other Apache
project have kept their own domains. It seems a detrimental thing to do.
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
I personally know at least a dozen devs who seriously tried NetBeans again (most moving from Idea) after the move to the ASF got announced!
And that's just from the few people I spoke to.
I would not underrate the impact, but ofc it might still be a sample issue.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 10.04.2017 um 12:50 schrieb Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>:
>
> I'd say it's a sign of a non representative sample of IDE users.
>
> The StackOverflow survey puts NetBeans at a steady 8-9% in 2017 (
> http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 ) and 2016 (
> http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2016 ). It seems we grew a bit in
> 2017.
>
> I doubt the Apache move (which started late 2016) has any impact.
>
> If anything, I suspect the incubation will have a negative impact short
> term due to the mailing list reshuffling, forum closing, websites moving,
> etc, etc.
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, forgot to add the 2nd link
>>
>> http://www.baeldung.com/java-in-2017
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>> Am 10.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.INVALID
>>> :
>>>
>>> Hi folks!
>>>
>>> Got some tweet about a Java survey today and catched a very interesting
>> thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Those are the numbers from the 2016 survey (2200 votes in summary):
>> NetBeans 5.9% (133 votes)
>>> http://www.baeldung.com/java-ides-2016
>>>
>>> And now the 2017 numbers (4439 votes in summary) : 12.4% (549 votes).
>>>
>>> I can only guess what caused this heavy increase of new users.
>>> Might it be caused by the move to real open governance?
>>> Or something else I missed?
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
I'd say it's a sign of a non representative sample of IDE users.
The StackOverflow survey puts NetBeans at a steady 8-9% in 2017 (
http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 ) and 2016 (
http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2016 ). It seems we grew a bit in
2017.
I doubt the Apache move (which started late 2016) has any impact.
If anything, I suspect the incubation will have a negative impact short
term due to the mailing list reshuffling, forum closing, websites moving,
etc, etc.
--emi
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:
> Sorry, forgot to add the 2nd link
>
> http://www.baeldung.com/java-in-2017
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 10.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.INVALID
> >:
> >
> > Hi folks!
> >
> > Got some tweet about a Java survey today and catched a very interesting
> thing.
> >
> >
> > Those are the numbers from the 2016 survey (2200 votes in summary):
> NetBeans 5.9% (133 votes)
> > http://www.baeldung.com/java-ides-2016
> >
> > And now the 2017 numbers (4439 votes in summary) : 12.4% (549 votes).
> >
> > I can only guess what caused this heavy increase of new users.
> > Might it be caused by the move to real open governance?
> > Or something else I missed?
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
>
>
Re: Some interesting market share study
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
Sorry, forgot to add the 2nd link
http://www.baeldung.com/java-in-2017
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 10.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>:
>
> Hi folks!
>
> Got some tweet about a Java survey today and catched a very interesting thing.
>
>
> Those are the numbers from the 2016 survey (2200 votes in summary): NetBeans 5.9% (133 votes)
> http://www.baeldung.com/java-ides-2016
>
> And now the 2017 numbers (4439 votes in summary) : 12.4% (549 votes).
>
> I can only guess what caused this heavy increase of new users.
> Might it be caused by the move to real open governance?
> Or something else I missed?
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>