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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com> on 2010/02/25 09:57:31 UTC
Check this out
Hi Guys,
Bumped into this post at
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and was
wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad press for
Tapestry?
Banchi
Re: Check this out
Posted by Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it>.
Moreover is not the first time that an unknown member of the mailing
list (ie a member that has never written before on the list) steps in
the mailing list pointing readers to some link where Tapestry is bashed
for some reason and then use this to start a flame or at least a boring
and pointless discussion.
I'm relatively new to Tapesty but when I have seen the post I just
thought : "Oh no, here we are again!"
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo ha scritto:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>
> Hi again . . .
>
>> Bumped into this post at
>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651
>> and was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not
>> a bad press for Tapestry?
>
> It's not bad press because:
> * the post is not about Tapestry.
> * the poster doesn't say a word about Tapestry.
> * the only thing said about Tapestry was in the comments, written by
> some person that bashes Tapestry and says lies about it all the time
> at TheServerSide.
> * comments are not press, as far as I know.
>
> I guess these are the reasons Ulrich called you a troll. At least
> they're the one that makes me think you're a troll.
>
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jim O'Callaghan <jc...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
> Gentlemen, Gentlemen, haven't you ever heard - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alfonso Quiroga [mailto:alfonsosebaq@gmail.com]
> Sent: 25 February 2010 14:19
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Check this out
>
>
> Banchi Liko: what's the point of this discussion? I can't see it, if you
> like wicket, start using it. If you like T5, the same. And if you like both
> and you want to make a comparison, create a blog (is free) comparing both
> frameworks, but technically ( I mean don't say "A is better than B
> because... I say " )
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Thiago,
> >
> > If this Jan de Jonge guy is that bad, how come Howard himself once stated
> > that he respects his views?
> >
> > Banchi
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> > thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >>
> > >
> > > Hi again . . .
> > >
> > >
> > > Bumped into this post at
> > >> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651and
> > >> was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad
> > press
> > >> for Tapestry?
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's not bad press because:
> > > * the post is not about Tapestry.
> > > * the poster doesn't say a word about Tapestry.
> > > * the only thing said about Tapestry was in the comments, written by
> some
> > > person that bashes Tapestry and says lies about it all the time at
> > > TheServerSide.
> > > * comments are not press, as far as I know.
> > >
> > > I guess these are the reasons Ulrich called you a troll. At least
> they're
> > > the one that makes me think you're a troll.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> > > Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant,
> developer,
> > > and instructor
> > > Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> > > Informação Ltda.
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RE: Check this out
Posted by Jim O'Callaghan <jc...@yahoo.co.uk>.
Gentlemen, Gentlemen, haven't you ever heard - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfonso Quiroga [mailto:alfonsosebaq@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 February 2010 14:19
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Check this out
Banchi Liko: what's the point of this discussion? I can't see it, if you
like wicket, start using it. If you like T5, the same. And if you like both
and you want to make a comparison, create a blog (is free) comparing both
frameworks, but technically ( I mean don't say "A is better than B
because... I say " )
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Thiago,
>
> If this Jan de Jonge guy is that bad, how come Howard himself once stated
> that he respects his views?
>
> Banchi
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >>
> >
> > Hi again . . .
> >
> >
> > Bumped into this post at
> >> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and
> >> was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad
> press
> >> for Tapestry?
> >>
> >
> > It's not bad press because:
> > * the post is not about Tapestry.
> > * the poster doesn't say a word about Tapestry.
> > * the only thing said about Tapestry was in the comments, written by
some
> > person that bashes Tapestry and says lies about it all the time at
> > TheServerSide.
> > * comments are not press, as far as I know.
> >
> > I guess these are the reasons Ulrich called you a troll. At least
they're
> > the one that makes me think you're a troll.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> > Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> > and instructor
> > Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> > Informação Ltda.
> > http://www.arsmachina.com.br
> >
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Alfonso Quiroga <al...@gmail.com>.
Banchi Liko: what's the point of this discussion? I can't see it, if you
like wicket, start using it. If you like T5, the same. And if you like both
and you want to make a comparison, create a blog (is free) comparing both
frameworks, but technically ( I mean don't say "A is better than B
because... I say " )
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Thiago,
>
> If this Jan de Jonge guy is that bad, how come Howard himself once stated
> that he respects his views?
>
> Banchi
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >>
> >
> > Hi again . . .
> >
> >
> > Bumped into this post at
> >> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and
> >> was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad
> press
> >> for Tapestry?
> >>
> >
> > It's not bad press because:
> > * the post is not about Tapestry.
> > * the poster doesn't say a word about Tapestry.
> > * the only thing said about Tapestry was in the comments, written by some
> > person that bashes Tapestry and says lies about it all the time at
> > TheServerSide.
> > * comments are not press, as far as I know.
> >
> > I guess these are the reasons Ulrich called you a troll. At least they're
> > the one that makes me think you're a troll.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> > Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> > and instructor
> > Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> > Informação Ltda.
> > http://www.arsmachina.com.br
> >
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> >
>
Re: Check this out
Posted by Inge Solvoll <in...@gmail.com>.
Guys, guys. Life is too short to be fighting over stupid and meaningless
things. Let's discuss perfect IOC-code instead, this gorgeous concept that
resembles a beautiful woman on a warm summer day.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Alfonso Quiroga <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Banchi Liko or Gerald Bauer: I think you don't need a good framework (T5,
> wicket), you have to look wider in your life, you need a good psychoanalyst
> and 5-6mg of clonazepam per day. Good luck, and get a life!
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:40 -0300, Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Did you forget the greatest tool of our generation- Google? Else ask me
> >> and
> >> I'll google it for you. If Howard himself is reading he might as well
> >> confirm.
> >>
> >
> > You're the one trying to prove something, so you should do the googling,
> > please. I'll spend my time in more useful activities. :)
> >
> > Banchi
> >>
> >
> > Banchi Liko or Gerald Bauer? Now it's confirmed you're a troll that uses
> > different Gmail accounts to avoid being kicked from the mailing list.
> >
> > If you want to discuss something, discuss. If not, I suggest you to spend
> > your time doing something more useful to you. ;)
> >
> > --
> > Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> > Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> > and instructor
> > Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> > Informação Ltda.
> > http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Alfonso Quiroga <al...@gmail.com>.
Banchi Liko or Gerald Bauer: I think you don't need a good framework (T5,
wicket), you have to look wider in your life, you need a good psychoanalyst
and 5-6mg of clonazepam per day. Good luck, and get a life!
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:40 -0300, Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Did you forget the greatest tool of our generation- Google? Else ask me
>> and
>> I'll google it for you. If Howard himself is reading he might as well
>> confirm.
>>
>
> You're the one trying to prove something, so you should do the googling,
> please. I'll spend my time in more useful activities. :)
>
> Banchi
>>
>
> Banchi Liko or Gerald Bauer? Now it's confirmed you're a troll that uses
> different Gmail accounts to avoid being kicked from the mailing list.
>
> If you want to discuss something, discuss. If not, I suggest you to spend
> your time doing something more useful to you. ;)
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> and instructor
> Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>
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Re: Check this out
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:40 -0300, Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did you forget the greatest tool of our generation- Google? Else ask me
> and
> I'll google it for you. If Howard himself is reading he might as well
> confirm.
You're the one trying to prove something, so you should do the googling,
please. I'll spend my time in more useful activities. :)
> Banchi
Banchi Liko or Gerald Bauer? Now it's confirmed you're a troll that uses
different Gmail accounts to avoid being kicked from the mailing list.
If you want to discuss something, discuss. If not, I suggest you to spend
your time doing something more useful to you. ;)
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and instructor
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com>.
Did you forget the greatest tool of our generation- Google? Else ask me and
I'll google it for you. If Howard himself is reading he might as well
confirm.
Banchi
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:51:47 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Thiago,
>>
>
> Hi!
>
>
> If this Jan de Jonge guy is that bad, how come Howard himself once stated
>> that he respects his views?
>>
>
> [citation needed]
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> and instructor
> Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>
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Re: Check this out
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:51:47 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Thiago,
Hi!
> If this Jan de Jonge guy is that bad, how come Howard himself once stated
> that he respects his views?
[citation needed]
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and instructor
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>.
Hi Thiago,
If this Jan de Jonge guy is that bad, how come Howard himself once stated
that he respects his views?
Banchi
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>>
>
> Hi again . . .
>
>
> Bumped into this post at
>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and
>> was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad press
>> for Tapestry?
>>
>
> It's not bad press because:
> * the post is not about Tapestry.
> * the poster doesn't say a word about Tapestry.
> * the only thing said about Tapestry was in the comments, written by some
> person that bashes Tapestry and says lies about it all the time at
> TheServerSide.
> * comments are not press, as far as I know.
>
> I guess these are the reasons Ulrich called you a troll. At least they're
> the one that makes me think you're a troll.
>
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> and instructor
> Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>
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Re: Check this out
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
Hi again . . .
> Bumped into this post at
> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and
> was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad
> press for Tapestry?
It's not bad press because:
* the post is not about Tapestry.
* the poster doesn't say a word about Tapestry.
* the only thing said about Tapestry was in the comments, written by some
person that bashes Tapestry and says lies about it all the time at
TheServerSide.
* comments are not press, as far as I know.
I guess these are the reasons Ulrich called you a troll. At least they're
the one that makes me think you're a troll.
--
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
and instructor
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Informação Ltda.
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>.
Ulrich,
What did I do wrong to be called a troll by you?
Banchi
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:
> Go troll somewhere else.
>
> On 25.02.2010 09:57 schrieb Banchi Liko:
>
> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Bumped into this post at
>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and
>> was
>> wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad press
>> for
>> Tapestry?
>>
>> Banchi
>>
>>
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Re: Check this out
Posted by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>.
Go troll somewhere else.
On 25.02.2010 09:57 schrieb Banchi Liko:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Bumped into this post at
> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and was
> wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad press for
> Tapestry?
>
> Banchi
>
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Re: Check this out
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:57:31 -0300, Banchi Liko <ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
Hi!
> Bumped into this post at
> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=59510#332651 and
> was wondering the validity of the poster's comments. Is this not a bad
> press for Tapestry?
Here's the post, written by Jan de Jonge:
"Yet another area where Wicket shines in the Web framework arena. The last
time I checked Tapestry was doing very, very badly in this area. Even
performance was a very serious issue in the latest Tapestry 5 release.
Many companies I know that have used Tapestry in their last projects are
ruling it out completely for future projects. It's sad Tapestry is dying
this way. It was once a very good framework that I loved."
Tapestry 5 never had performance problems. 5.1 even had a performance
improvement. And Tapestry is not dying. Just check the amount of messages
in the mailing lists, including the ones announcing public websites
written on it and the messages by new people.
Jan de Jonge is a guy that trolls Tapestry in TheServerSide for *years*,
even when the topic is not about it. The first Google hit for "jan de
jonge tapestry" is a blog post by Eelco Hillenius, one of the Wicket
committers, from 2007:
"http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/"
(seems to be down now, here's the cached version:
http://64.233.163.132/search?q=cache:XTghPGmyIywJ:chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/+%22Jan+de+Jonge%22+java&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=opera).
The posts ssays "Take ‘Jan de Jonge’, the guy the started the flaming in
several threads. (...)". In the comments, Jan de Jonge says "My colleagues
and I are developing an in-house web framework (...) I don’t and have
NEVER used any of these frameworks except some little playing with both."
Yet, in the TheServerSide post above, he says "It was once a very good
framework that I loved.".
Summary: Jan de Jorge is a guy who trolls Tapestry with no knowledge about
it.
The above message, for example, is about Wicket itself. No need for
mentioning any other framework.
By the way, Tapestry has cluster support built-in: take a look at the
"Clustering Issues" session in
http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/guide/persist.html.
--
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
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and instructor
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