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Posted to user@jspwiki.apache.org by Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com> on 2014/04/11 12:44:19 UTC
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Hi,
I've added a link to
https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites on the wiki home
page, as it also was linked from there on the original (=Janne's) wiki. The
page structure is taken from
http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiSitesI've only added a few
sites from Janne's wiki b/c there were many links
down, so anyone running a JSPWiki instance out there please add a link at
https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites !
br,
juan pablo
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:42 AM, lgilardoni61@gmail.com <
lgilardoni61@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> First (on my side) entry - my company (www.kie-services.com) is using
> JSPWiki on its own intranet and a couple of major Italian law firms
> intranet. Cannot
> disclose these - they are customers of us and we have binding terms - but
> will try to be able to. Btw this was since very long (2003?)
>
> Luca
>
>
> On 4/11/2014 8:05 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
>
>> sounds like a good idea to me !
>>
>>
>> On 11 April 2014 03:42, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One easy way to raise JSPWiki's profile is to provide a page showing all
>>> the external sites using it. I created this for Apache Roller: "
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ROLLER/WhoUsesRoller". To
>>> find out Roller bloggers, I googled a text string that is usually present
>>> on Roller's login page ("powered by apache roller weblogger version
>>> ...").
>>> If JSPWiki could place a similar, non-obtrusive string on its login
>>> page
>>> (or actually anywhere, doesn't matter) googling on a monthly basis should
>>> see an increasing number of Wikis that could be added to a
>>> "WhoUsesJSPWiki"
>>> page. Seeing all the impressive ways JSPWiki is being used is a ton of
>>> easy advertising all by itself.
>>>
>>> Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>
>>>> * the presentation at ApacheCon 2014 was a start
>>>> * I also presented JSPWiki at my local Java User Group
>>>> * very likely I will do another presentation at the Linux Days in Vienna
>>>>
>>>> but this only reaches very few people :-(
>>>>
>>>> So what can we do to get more users?
>>>>
>>>> * Anyone in the mood to write an article and try to publish it?
>>>> * Are there any conferences were JSPWiki can be easily presented?
>>>> * Any other and better ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Siegfried Goeschl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 11/02/16 01:26, Derek Hohls wrote:
> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki
> on their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
>
> To me, the main benefit of a wiki is that it is a shared repository of
> knowledge to which everyone has access. Such a wiki would be installed
> and maintained by the IT support team (or local guru, perhaps) on a
> server. Access is then as simple as "open your browser"! No barrier
> to entry at all.
>
Agreed. However, I have in the past run a local instance of JSPWiki
precisely for private project documentation and note taking, and it
worked fantastically well. I've occasionally thought that for folks who
did want to run a full wiki locally on their machine but with zero
technical know-how, it surely wouldn't be too much of a stretch to take
something like Siegfried Goeschl's Wiki on a Stick
(https://github.com/sgoeschl/jspwiki-on-a-stick), and bundle it into a
self-contained Windows/DEB/whatever installer which when executed
installs a sandboxed instance in Jetty or something.
Cheers,
Dave
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Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <si...@gmail.com>.
Hi folks,
regarding Personal Distributed Wiki - I’m syncing my JSPWiki contents over DropBox
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
> On 12.02.2016, at 08:49, Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za> wrote:
>
> Adrien
>
> Excellent points - but I still do not think a wiki is a tool that can/should be installed locally for "casual" end-users (maybe my biases from 20+ years in IT are showing here). Casual end users can - possibly - be trained to contribute towards a shared wiki; but I am doubtful that they will really be able to handle / manage / appreciate a locally installed version all on their own.
>
> My own bias, because I work on multiple machines in different locations, all with good network access, is towards hosted solutions; for example - bitbucket repo can be used as just a wiki (with different syntax options if desired) - public or private - with all of the revision options that that entails (plus you can clone it to work locally & then push back changes if really needed).
>
> We all have different needs - so I understand that in some situations a "personal" wiki is desirable.
>
> Derek
>
>>>> Adrien Beau <ad...@gmail.com> 02/10/16 6:30 PM >>>
> Derek Hohls wrote:
>>
>> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
> their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
>
> You get a note-taking tool with text formatting, file attachments,
> hyperlinks between notes, a full-text search engine, and no dependency on
> network connectivity. You also get to keep past revisions, and can easily
> backup the data (or even read it if the software fails): it's just
> plain-text files.
>
> I've used JSPWiki this way for a few years (and was using MoinMoin in a
> similar way before). Network connectivity was a major factor in choosing to
> use a local instance: data connections in high-speed trains were quite
> flaky, and clients often had restrictions on which web sites could be
> accessed. Not storing client data on a remote server was also seen as a
> bonus; the data is encrypted on my laptop. Network latency is also a bit
> irritating when you've gotten used to a local server.
>
> The full-text search engine was not much of a criteria when I selected
> JSPWiki, but it turned out to be much more useful than I envisioned,
> especially on a local instance (no latency, very fast results).
>
> By the way, I selected JSPWiki based on its syntax. I wanted to use a wiki
> that had a syntax close to what CollabNet TeamForge has, and it turns out
> JSPWiki is the only one that matches (to the point that I wonder if
> CollabNet forked JSPWiki a while ago).
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za> wrote:
>
>> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
>> their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
>>
>> To me, the main benefit of a wiki is that it is a shared repository of
>> knowledge to which everyone has access. Such a wiki would be installed and
>> maintained by the IT support team (or local guru, perhaps) on a server.
>> Access is then as simple as "open your browser"! No barrier to entry at all.
>>
>> I think that for private note taking people are already using tools like
>> Evernote or OneNote and I cannot see a "local" wiki replacing them.
>>
>>>>> Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au> 02/08/16 10:22 AM >>>
>>
>> I tried (without success) to get people using JSPWiki internally in our
>> faculty (Agriculture and Environment at the University of Sydney). At
>> first, the majority were all gung-ho about using a wiki.. that was no
>> problem. The barrier to entry was that they expected it to install like
>> installing MS Word or something. Just a "one-shot and it just works"
>> experience. As soon as I explained that they had to first install a servlet
>> container (what's a servlet??!?!!) and fill out all this configuration
>> stuff, they quickly lost interest.
>>
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Re: RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity
...
Posted by Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za>.
Adrien
Excellent points - but I still do not think a wiki is a tool that can/should be installed locally for "casual" end-users (maybe my biases from 20+ years in IT are showing here). Casual end users can - possibly - be trained to contribute towards a shared wiki; but I am doubtful that they will really be able to handle / manage / appreciate a locally installed version all on their own.
My own bias, because I work on multiple machines in different locations, all with good network access, is towards hosted solutions; for example - bitbucket repo can be used as just a wiki (with different syntax options if desired) - public or private - with all of the revision options that that entails (plus you can clone it to work locally & then push back changes if really needed).
We all have different needs - so I understand that in some situations a "personal" wiki is desirable.
Derek
>>> Adrien Beau <ad...@gmail.com> 02/10/16 6:30 PM >>>
Derek Hohls wrote:
>
> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
You get a note-taking tool with text formatting, file attachments,
hyperlinks between notes, a full-text search engine, and no dependency on
network connectivity. You also get to keep past revisions, and can easily
backup the data (or even read it if the software fails): it's just
plain-text files.
I've used JSPWiki this way for a few years (and was using MoinMoin in a
similar way before). Network connectivity was a major factor in choosing to
use a local instance: data connections in high-speed trains were quite
flaky, and clients often had restrictions on which web sites could be
accessed. Not storing client data on a remote server was also seen as a
bonus; the data is encrypted on my laptop. Network latency is also a bit
irritating when you've gotten used to a local server.
The full-text search engine was not much of a criteria when I selected
JSPWiki, but it turned out to be much more useful than I envisioned,
especially on a local instance (no latency, very fast results).
By the way, I selected JSPWiki based on its syntax. I wanted to use a wiki
that had a syntax close to what CollabNet TeamForge has, and it turns out
JSPWiki is the only one that matches (to the point that I wonder if
CollabNet forked JSPWiki a while ago).
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za> wrote:
> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
> their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
>
> To me, the main benefit of a wiki is that it is a shared repository of
> knowledge to which everyone has access. Such a wiki would be installed and
> maintained by the IT support team (or local guru, perhaps) on a server.
> Access is then as simple as "open your browser"! No barrier to entry at all.
>
> I think that for private note taking people are already using tools like
> Evernote or OneNote and I cannot see a "local" wiki replacing them.
>
> >>> Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au> 02/08/16 10:22 AM >>>
>
> I tried (without success) to get people using JSPWiki internally in our
> faculty (Agriculture and Environment at the University of Sydney). At
> first, the majority were all gung-ho about using a wiki.. that was no
> problem. The barrier to entry was that they expected it to install like
> installing MS Word or something. Just a "one-shot and it just works"
> experience. As soon as I explained that they had to first install a servlet
> container (what's a servlet??!?!!) and fill out all this configuration
> stuff, they quickly lost interest.
>
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RE: RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au>.
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Subject: Re: RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Derek Hohls wrote:
>I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki
> on their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
Adrien Beau wrote:
>You get a note-taking tool with text formatting, file attachments, hyperlinks between notes, a full-text search engine, and no dependency on network connectivity.
>You also get to keep past revisions, and can easily backup the data (or even read it if the software fails): it's just plain-text files.
Amen!! Well said. These reasons are EXACTLY why I prefer using it.
Adrien Beau wrote:
>The full-text search engine was not much of a criteria when I selected JSPWiki, but it turned out to be much more useful than I envisioned, especially on a local instance (no latency, very fast results).
Absolutely. This is worth the effort of setting up JSPWiki alone IMHO.
Re: RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Adrien Beau <ad...@gmail.com>.
Derek Hohls wrote:
>
> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
You get a note-taking tool with text formatting, file attachments,
hyperlinks between notes, a full-text search engine, and no dependency on
network connectivity. You also get to keep past revisions, and can easily
backup the data (or even read it if the software fails): it's just
plain-text files.
I've used JSPWiki this way for a few years (and was using MoinMoin in a
similar way before). Network connectivity was a major factor in choosing to
use a local instance: data connections in high-speed trains were quite
flaky, and clients often had restrictions on which web sites could be
accessed. Not storing client data on a remote server was also seen as a
bonus; the data is encrypted on my laptop. Network latency is also a bit
irritating when you've gotten used to a local server.
The full-text search engine was not much of a criteria when I selected
JSPWiki, but it turned out to be much more useful than I envisioned,
especially on a local instance (no latency, very fast results).
By the way, I selected JSPWiki based on its syntax. I wanted to use a wiki
that had a syntax close to what CollabNet TeamForge has, and it turns out
JSPWiki is the only one that matches (to the point that I wonder if
CollabNet forked JSPWiki a while ago).
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za> wrote:
> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
> their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
>
> To me, the main benefit of a wiki is that it is a shared repository of
> knowledge to which everyone has access. Such a wiki would be installed and
> maintained by the IT support team (or local guru, perhaps) on a server.
> Access is then as simple as "open your browser"! No barrier to entry at all.
>
> I think that for private note taking people are already using tools like
> Evernote or OneNote and I cannot see a "local" wiki replacing them.
>
> >>> Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au> 02/08/16 10:22 AM >>>
>
> I tried (without success) to get people using JSPWiki internally in our
> faculty (Agriculture and Environment at the University of Sydney). At
> first, the majority were all gung-ho about using a wiki.. that was no
> problem. The barrier to entry was that they expected it to install like
> installing MS Word or something. Just a "one-shot and it just works"
> experience. As soon as I explained that they had to first install a servlet
> container (what's a servlet??!?!!) and fill out all this configuration
> stuff, they quickly lost interest.
>
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Re: RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Paul Uszak <pa...@gmail.com>.
Derek, I think that you might be missing an important point. Software
adoption isn't restricted just to end users. And IT departments aren't all
like the one at HSBC. There are SME departments (or single guys) that
might be interested in the features of JSPWiki. Your comments regarding
configuration are valid though, it's a lot harder than need be. And don't
forget, it we all have our own installation, it's not really a
collaborative wiki is it?
This is where I was coming from when I asked what was this wiki for? The
SME market could be one of those targeted with future (re)development.
Unless I've misunderstood the intention of this project and nobody want's
it to go past being a toy.
On 10 February 2016 at 12:26, Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za> wrote:
> I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on
> their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
>
> To me, the main benefit of a wiki is that it is a shared repository of
> knowledge to which everyone has access. Such a wiki would be installed and
> maintained by the IT support team (or local guru, perhaps) on a server.
> Access is then as simple as "open your browser"! No barrier to entry at all.
>
> I think that for private note taking people are already using tools like
> Evernote or OneNote and I cannot see a "local" wiki replacing them.
>
> >>> Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au> 02/08/16 10:22 AM >>>
>
> I tried (without success) to get people using JSPWiki internally in our
> faculty (Agriculture and Environment at the University of Sydney). At
> first, the majority were all gung-ho about using a wiki.. that was no
> problem. The barrier to entry was that they expected it to install like
> installing MS Word or something. Just a "one-shot and it just works"
> experience. As soon as I explained that they had to first install a servlet
> container (what's a servlet??!?!!) and fill out all this configuration
> stuff, they quickly lost interest.
>
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Re: RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity
...
Posted by Derek Hohls <dh...@csir.co.za>.
I am very curious as to why people would even want to install a wiki on their own machines (Windows or otherwise).
To me, the main benefit of a wiki is that it is a shared repository of knowledge to which everyone has access. Such a wiki would be installed and maintained by the IT support team (or local guru, perhaps) on a server. Access is then as simple as "open your browser"! No barrier to entry at all.
I think that for private note taking people are already using tools like Evernote or OneNote and I cannot see a "local" wiki replacing them.
>>> Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au> 02/08/16 10:22 AM >>>
I tried (without success) to get people using JSPWiki internally in our faculty (Agriculture and Environment at the University of Sydney). At first, the majority were all gung-ho about using a wiki.. that was no problem. The barrier to entry was that they expected it to install like installing MS Word or something. Just a "one-shot and it just works" experience. As soon as I explained that they had to first install a servlet container (what's a servlet??!?!!) and fill out all this configuration stuff, they quickly lost interest.
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RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au>.
I think Dave Koelmeyer said:
>>
The original question raised (not by me) on this same thread was "Open Discussion - How to [increase] JSPWiki publicity ..." (implying – correctly – there is a lack of publicity), and was asked way back April 2014. There were I think three responses, but no real discussion took place. It's not a new issue, more an actual discussion which didn't happen at the time. If there is less visibility for JSPWiki, there are less folks discovering and actively using it – leading to problems which you've experienced with folks using it on alternate app servers, for instance. If you look at other healthy open source projects, specifically alternative wiki products such as MediaWiki, they have a level of publicity absent in JSPWiki. The target audience isn't folks like you and me who have been using it for years, it's those prospective users who simply don't know about it. Note what's missing from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software for example.
<<
LOL Now I recall why I rejected MediaWiki: PHP :-p
Been there, done that. No thanks, I'll gladly take my chances with JSP.
Of course, if you're used to WordPress or Drupal, and you're looking for a wiki, then MediaWiki might be the solution.
One might ask "What's the benefit of a wiki over blogware anyway?"
>>
In terms of "pushing as a corporate solution", I'm not pushing for anything as such, other than greater visibility. Corporate deployment is just one highly-applicable use case in which JSPWiki can (with the right requirements) compete. I run an open source consultancy, and I would just *love* to be able to offer JSPWiki as a commercial hosted service for small-medium-sized businesses, and be able to contribute back to the project with tangible resources. Absent that – due to some lingering problems with HADDOCK and the drawbacks with the legacy interface – contributing some free time to raising publicity is the next best thing I can offer. I really like JSPWiki's strengths (ease of setup, mostly ease of use, streamlined and no bloat, no separate database to manage, open source, and so on), but if a slide into obscurity is on the horizon, I'll switch to another product.
<<
I'll give you a use-case -- true story.
I tried (without success) to get people using JSPWiki internally in our faculty (Agriculture and Environment at the University of Sydney). At first, the majority were all gung-ho about using a wiki.. that was no problem. The barrier to entry was that they expected it to install like installing MS Word or something. Just a "one-shot and it just works" experience. As soon as I explained that they had to first install a servlet container (what's a servlet??!?!!) and fill out all this configuration stuff, they quickly lost interest. For non-techies, it was just too much overhead. The other thing is that virtually all the users were in the Windows environment, and most were very unfamiliar with the UNIX/LINUX environment.
So, if we want to increase adoption, one plan of attack might be to:
* Target the Windows platform first.
* Make the installation, with all its dependencies (including Tomcat running as a Windows service), as transparent as possible to new users via customizable installation scripts/batch files.
* We can provide different kinds of pre-configured installation templates/options like:
- install as public wiki (this would close all the permissions and security that are wide open on the basic install and only allow admins to edit/delete).
- install as private, single-user wiki (this would be like my developer's journal installation)
- install with the following defined groups and roles (for people who already have a user structure in mind).
- custom installation (the traditional installation where the user sets all the properties)
* Provide some kind of control panel like the Tomcat App Manager so non-techies don't have to fiddle with editing text files. I know that this is an anathema to developers, but non-programmers really hate doing "anything" that resembles programming.
Just a few ideas.
Cheers,
Jason
Jason C. Morris | PhD Candidate (ABD)
Department of Environmental Sciences | Faculty of Agriculture and Environment
THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY, NSW, 2006
phone: +61 02 8627 1152
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 08/02/16 14:55, Jason Morris wrote:
> I, too, am a long-time user of JSPWiki on Tomcat. When transitioning to Glassfish, I experienced many of the same problems you did. Other users have raised the point that JSPWiki, from a corporate standards level, is unsupported. That is, there is no "number" someone can call to get it fixed when it breaks.
>
>
> I have to ask: why the sudden concern about making JSPWiki into something more than a good open-source wiki? Why the interest in pushing it as some kind of corporate solution? My $0.02 from 20+ years in software is that this will never happen as long as there is no single-source accountability for the software. It works with OSS like LINUX because there are vendors like RedHat that wrap it with a layer of added value in terms of support. It is such value-add vendors that make OSS a viable option for commercial adoption by minimizing the risk of adoption.
> So, full circle: why is this an issue now at all?
The original question raised (not by me) on this same thread was "Open
Discussion - How to [increase] JSPWiki publicity ..." (implying –
correctly – there is a lack of publicity), and was asked way back April
2014. There were I think three responses, but no real discussion took
place. It's not a new issue, more an actual discussion which didn't
happen at the time. If there is less visibility for JSPWiki, there are
less folks discovering and actively using it – leading to problems which
you've experienced with folks using it on alternate app servers, for
instance. If you look at other healthy open source projects,
specifically alternative wiki products such as MediaWiki, they have a
level of publicity absent in JSPWiki. The target audience isn't folks
like you and me who have been using it for years, it's those prospective
users who simply don't know about it. Note what's missing from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software for example.
In terms of "pushing as a corporate solution", I'm not pushing for
anything as such, other than greater visibility. Corporate deployment is
just one highly-applicable use case in which JSPWiki can (with the right
requirements) compete. I run an open source consultancy, and I would
just *love* to be able to offer JSPWiki as a commercial hosted service
for small-medium-sized businesses, and be able to contribute back to the
project with tangible resources. Absent that – due to some lingering
problems with HADDOCK and the drawbacks with the legacy interface –
contributing some free time to raising publicity is the next best thing
I can offer. I really like JSPWiki's strengths (ease of setup, mostly
ease of use, streamlined and no bloat, no separate database to manage,
open source, and so on), but if a slide into obscurity is on the
horizon, I'll switch to another product.
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Paul Uszak <pa...@gmail.com>.
>>So, full circle: why is this an issue now at all?
I guess because I asked “who is JSPWiki for ?” I believe this is the most
important challenge facing JSPWiki. Not having a clear understanding of
this question poses the greatest risk to it. I see this as a strategic
marketing issue, not one simply of publicity.
It would be interesting to know what the person managing the development of
JSPWiki thinks is the answer to this. Where is it heading? Is there a
vision? “2.10.2” is not the answer I'm looking for. It is difficult to
steer development towards an uncertain goal. There is tough competition all
around, so is there some unique selling point that we can exploit? I think
that there is. Several actually. There are niche market segments that
JSPWiki could move into very successfully. Although without a clear focus,
I fear that this project might stall somewhat. I certainly don't expect it
to compete effectively in the mainstream market for reasons already
highlighted.
If consensus is that this is a hobby, then fine. Have at it. But I'm
reminded of Thackeray's *“Whatever you are, try to be a good one.”* If
there is a desire to see this product become a larger player, there are
clear strategic marketing techniques that can be applied.
Should we be having this discussion on the dev list instead, as that is
where the decision makers are? Is there an appetite for debating JSPWiki's
future?
On 8 February 2016 at 01:55, Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au>
wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Dave [Koelmeyer] and I have been attempting to address this issue from the
> Glassfish side of things. We are drafting a brief but comprehensive set of
> installation instructions for JSPWiki on Glasfish 4.x. So far, I've tested
> them on Glassfish 4.0, and they work just fine.
>
>
>
> Some ideas:
>
>
>
> · What about a JSPWiki Admin page/console not unlike the managers
> page in Tomcat?
> At least some rudimentary permissions/roles could be managed there.
>
>
>
> · What about providing some kind of installation shell script that
> put everything where it needs to go?
>
>
>
> I, too, am a long-time user of JSPWiki on Tomcat. When transitioning to
> Glassfish, I experienced many of the same problems you did. Other users
> have raised the point that JSPWiki, from a corporate standards level, is
> unsupported. That is, there is no "number" someone can call to get it fixed
> when it breaks.
>
>
>
> I have to ask: why the sudden concern about making JSPWiki into something
> more than a good open-source wiki? Why the interest in pushing it as some
> kind of corporate solution? My $0.02 from 20+ years in software is that
> this will never happen as long as there is no single-source accountability
> for the software. It works with OSS like LINUX because there are vendors
> like RedHat that wrap it with a layer of added value in terms of support.
> It is such value-add vendors that make OSS a viable option for commercial
> adoption by minimizing the risk of adoption.
>
>
>
> So, full circle: why is this an issue now at all?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Spiske [mailto:epost@spiske.name]
> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2016 3:46 AM
> To: user@jspwiki.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
>
>
> about 2 years ago i gave JSPWiki a try.
>
> Most of my problems were related with to little documentation. Partly
> because the apache site was not up yet.
>
>
>
> First i had a few installation problems.
>
> Using Debians tomcat installation i had problems with the filesystrem
> access control and finding the right locations of wiki ini files to edit.
>
>
>
> Trying to fit the wiki to the corporate design, had no obvious howto.
>
>
>
> Writing a portal of my own, i wanted to use the same logins and groups,
> found out, that this was not as simple as i hoped.
>
>
>
> Thought that it would be nice to use the wiki hidden behind the portal i
> was writing, searched for API function to add and update pages and some
> function to render the content to fit into my pages.
>
>
>
> It would have been great to import a lot of pages from a mediawiki, turned
> out not to be easy because of plugins on the mediawiki side.
>
>
>
> After learning this and because of other design issues, I have put the
> JSPWiki integration to a hold, some day i will probably take it up again.
>
>
>
> Perhaps this can help to come up with a way to make JSPWiki more popular.
>
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
RE: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Jason Morris <ja...@sydney.edu.au>.
Hi Robert,
Dave [Koelmeyer] and I have been attempting to address this issue from the Glassfish side of things. We are drafting a brief but comprehensive set of installation instructions for JSPWiki on Glasfish 4.x. So far, I've tested them on Glassfish 4.0, and they work just fine.
Some ideas:
· What about a JSPWiki Admin page/console not unlike the managers page in Tomcat?
At least some rudimentary permissions/roles could be managed there.
· What about providing some kind of installation shell script that put everything where it needs to go?
I, too, am a long-time user of JSPWiki on Tomcat. When transitioning to Glassfish, I experienced many of the same problems you did. Other users have raised the point that JSPWiki, from a corporate standards level, is unsupported. That is, there is no "number" someone can call to get it fixed when it breaks.
I have to ask: why the sudden concern about making JSPWiki into something more than a good open-source wiki? Why the interest in pushing it as some kind of corporate solution? My $0.02 from 20+ years in software is that this will never happen as long as there is no single-source accountability for the software. It works with OSS like LINUX because there are vendors like RedHat that wrap it with a layer of added value in terms of support. It is such value-add vendors that make OSS a viable option for commercial adoption by minimizing the risk of adoption.
So, full circle: why is this an issue now at all?
Cheers,
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Spiske [mailto:epost@spiske.name]
Sent: Monday, 8 February 2016 3:46 AM
To: user@jspwiki.apache.org
Subject: Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Hello!
about 2 years ago i gave JSPWiki a try.
Most of my problems were related with to little documentation. Partly because the apache site was not up yet.
First i had a few installation problems.
Using Debians tomcat installation i had problems with the filesystrem access control and finding the right locations of wiki ini files to edit.
Trying to fit the wiki to the corporate design, had no obvious howto.
Writing a portal of my own, i wanted to use the same logins and groups, found out, that this was not as simple as i hoped.
Thought that it would be nice to use the wiki hidden behind the portal i was writing, searched for API function to add and update pages and some function to render the content to fit into my pages.
It would have been great to import a lot of pages from a mediawiki, turned out not to be easy because of plugins on the mediawiki side.
After learning this and because of other design issues, I have put the JSPWiki integration to a hold, some day i will probably take it up again.
Perhaps this can help to come up with a way to make JSPWiki more popular.
Robert
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Robert Spiske <ep...@spiske.name>.
Hello!
about 2 years ago i gave JSPWiki a try.
Most of my problems were related with to little documentation. Partly
because the apache site was not up yet.
First i had a few installation problems.
Using Debians tomcat installation i had problems with the filesystrem
access control and finding the right locations of wiki ini files to edit.
Trying to fit the wiki to the corporate design, had no obvious howto.
Writing a portal of my own, i wanted to use the same logins and groups,
found out, that this was not as simple as i hoped.
Thought that it would be nice to use the wiki hidden behind the portal i
was writing, searched for API function to add and update pages and some
function to render the content to fit into my pages.
It would have been great to import a lot of pages from a mediawiki,
turned out not to be easy because of plugins on the mediawiki side.
After learning this and because of other design issues, I have put the
JSPWiki integration to a hold, some day i will probably take it up again.
Perhaps this can help to come up with a way to make JSPWiki more popular.
Robert
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Jim Willeke <ji...@willeke.com>.
How many "Global" Corporations are using JSPWiki compared to the
competition?
And I guess my comments were not given enough context.
Internally, where a company may have hundreds of departments, perhaps each
with their own WIKI, JSPWiki does not have any method I know of to handle
these conditions other than setting discrete instances for each department.
Many of these organizations would have 1,000s if not 10,000s roles/groups
that are defined, JSPWiki does not have an appropriate administrative
interface to deal this this condition.
--
-jim
Jim Willeke
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Dave Koelmeyer <
dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> On 07/02/16 09:11, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
> > As for companies using JSPWiki, I've seen mostly small/medium companies,
> > but if I recall correctly, NetBeans did/does use JSPWiki, f.ex.
>
> Netbeans certainly did, as did the OpenDS project (now known as OpenDJ)
> – both before Oracle took over. If JSPWiki was good enough for a global
> like Sun Microsystems to use at the time, I'd say it's still good enough
> for corporate use.
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 07/02/16 09:11, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
> As for companies using JSPWiki, I've seen mostly small/medium companies,
> but if I recall correctly, NetBeans did/does use JSPWiki, f.ex.
Netbeans certainly did, as did the OpenDS project (now known as OpenDJ)
– both before Oracle took over. If JSPWiki was good enough for a global
like Sun Microsystems to use at the time, I'd say it's still good enough
for corporate use.
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
Hi Juan Pablo,
On 07/02/16 09:11, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
> Re. facebook/twitter page, I don't think there's a need for approval, our
> time is scarce (furthermore, I don't even have a facebook account) so Dave,
> if you're willing to take a lead, just announce here and we will link from
> jspwiki-wiki.a.o. I'd only ask you to please redirect as much traffic as
> possible to the MLs, as there is where we usually lurk.
If you don't think we need sign-off from Apache or anything, and we can
do this without later getting into hot water because we didn't, then
I'll go ahead and create a page for starters. I'll see if I can double
check with someone from Apache just to be on the safe side and if any
problems I'll update here. Janne did give me admin access to the
existing group (as opposed to a page) on Facebook ages ago, but groups
are a legacy way of promotion and won't work well. What you're seeing at
the moment on the FB page for Thunderbird is the general tone and
content I'd be aiming for (https://www.facebook.com/Thunderbird/).
> Finally, re. haddock, would it help if we switch jspwiki-wiki.a.o to run
> using haddock?
Personally I'd like to see this.
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
my 2c on various bits/thinking out loud ("we" meaning "me" most of the
time):
Best way to increase publicity is to release often. After every release
there've been an increase on use/MLs. Problem is, we do this on a free time
basis, so a mantaning an steady effort is complicated. So, the question is,
how do we do to foster collaboration, patches, etc?
As for the wikipedia, maybe a wave of blog posts (which could also be sent
to the server side, voxxed, etc.) is enough to convince them to own our
page? But we do need people actually doing this, the time we spend on
JSPWiki is almost spent on coding..
Re. facebook/twitter page, I don't think there's a need for approval, our
time is scarce (furthermore, I don't even have a facebook account) so Dave,
if you're willing to take a lead, just announce here and we will link from
jspwiki-wiki.a.o. I'd only ask you to please redirect as much traffic as
possible to the MLs, as there is where we usually lurk.
Re. markdown support, latest trunk allows switching the jspwiki markup
parser with something else (has to inherit o.a.j.render.MarkupParser). I'll
try to do some tests wednesday/thursday next week but anyone willing to
step in will be very welcome.
Re. not enough extensions, maybe we don't have a plethora of extensions,
but I find very easy to extend JSPWiki, that's one of its strengths and how
I became interested in the project in the first place (like ages now).
Re. JSPWiki target, I don't expect a high technical user, even for the
one(s) administering it. I only expect them to be able to reach from the
downloads page to the getting started one.. Another question is if a non
technical user prefers a wiki or ms word for his documents. And with 2.10.2
there will be portable binaries, so maybe there will be a reason less to
not use JSPWiki.
As for companies using JSPWiki, I've seen mostly small/medium companies,
but if I recall correctly, NetBeans did/does use JSPWiki, f.ex.
Finally, re. haddock, would it help if we switch jspwiki-wiki.a.o to run
using haddock?
br,
juan pablo
El 6/2/2016 4:18 p. m., "Siegfried Goeschl" <si...@it20one.com>
escribió:
> Hi folks,
>
> there is some “multiple instance support” which can also work around the
> “no department support” - I’m running for years 10 wikis on a single Tomcat
> instance :-)
>
> On my wish list
>
> * Markdown support
> * Ease of embedding images
> * Mobile friendliness
>
> Cheers,
>
> Siegfried Goeschl
>
> PS: Maybe there is a JSPWiki presentation at ApacheCon North America 2016
> :-)
>
>
>
>
> > On 06 Feb 2016, at 14:06, Jim Willeke <ji...@willeke.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been using JSPWiki for more than 10 years and I too think it has a
> > lot going for it.
> >
> > I agree with Dave. We need to answer "who is JSPWiki for?"
> > And what does Features does JSPWiki have that is not already present
> within
> > the market?
> >
> > These need to be one answered in one paragraph.
> >
> > I not see JSPWiki competing in a corporate environment:
> >
> > - Little (if any) support - SHOW STOPPER
> > - No Department Support (cannot be separated into different namespaces)
> > - SHOW STOPPER
> > - NOT mobile friendly
> > - Limited "pre-built" plugins to integrate with other Applications
> > (think source control or issue tracking)
> > - Limited Administration tools
> > - Need more GUI interfaces (like adding a photo or Excel embedded into
> > page)
> >
> > Personal Gripes
> >
> > - No markdown support
> > - No multiple instance support (Well at least poor)
> >
> > It is listed on some comparison sites
> > <http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/JSPWiki>, but not sure how current
> things
> > are.
> >
> > From a technical standpoint, of course, almost anything is possible.
> > From a market penetration standpoint, it is a different story.
> >
> > -jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -jim
> > Jim Willeke
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
> > dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >> On 30/11/15 11:21, Paul Uszak wrote:
> >>> I think that one of the initial points people should address, prior to
> >>> launching a publicity campaign, is: who is JSPWiki for? It's pretty
> >>> important to identify the market segment that efforts will then be made
> >>> towards. We could all just talk about it a lot, but it's more
> efficient
> >> if
> >>> someone actually has an idea as to what is to be achieved, for whom.
> >>
> >> Fair point, but some of this is already covered right on
> >> http://jspwiki.apache.org/ and
> >> http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiFeatures. Any organisation
> >> looking for the particular features listed there would be in the target
> >> market for JSPWiki, for instance.
> >>
> >>> From a personal perspective as a user, it appears that JSPWiki is only
> >>> suitable for a highly technical computer user. I use it because it
> meets
> >>> certain nerdy requirements. Most casual users don't know what a server
> >> is.
> >>
> >> I don't follow your logic at all. I don't think any organisation
> >> interested in choosing JSPWiki to host instead of say Confluence or
> >> MediaWiki expects their end users to install and run the product
> >> themselves (comparisons to a desktop app such as Thunderbird are
> >> completely apples to oranges).
> >>
> >>> Dave, you can get an impression of what I'm talking about by comparing
> >> the
> >>> ease of installation of Thunderbird to that of JSPWiki. Therefore, if
> >> you
> >>> think that we should be targeting developers /programmers, I would
> >> suggest
> >>> that perhaps those who want JSPWiki, know or can readily find out about
> >>> JSPWiki. There might be an inherent danger of diminishing returns by
> >>> publicising a highly technical product into the mainstream segment.
> >>> Marketing 101 tells us not to advertise AR15s during the Super Bowl
> half
> >>> time slot.
> >>
> >> I'm referring to volunteering free time and effort with a fair amount of
> >> existing expertise to a small project which suffers from a lack of
> >> visibility (the JSPWiki page even got yanked from Wikipedia due to a
> >> lack of notability) – not the Super Bowl.
> >>
> >> I use JSPWiki for a variety of product and project documentation tasks,
> >> and it largely excels at both. However, the legacy UI is getting long in
> >> the tooth in terms of ease-of-use, and the problem with HADDOCK as far
> >> as I am concerned is there are just not enough folks using it and
> >> providing feedback. It's a great start but is not there yet for
> >> full-time use (and I feel like a lone voice on JIRA). Hence why I'm in
> >> strong agreement with the original author of this post, and why I'd
> >> really like someone from the project to jump in here with some points of
> >> view.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 29 November 2015 at 10:55, Dave Koelmeyer <
> >>> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
> >>>> response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
> >>>> whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
> >>>> back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
> >>>> perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a
> >> bit.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need
> to
> >>>> be approved by Apache.
> >>>>
> >>>> I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird,
> so
> >>>> I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
> >>>>
> >>>> How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points
> of
> >>>> view?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dave Koelmeyer
> >>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> >>>> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
> >>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we
> >> do
> >>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
> >>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
> >>>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> >>>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> >>>>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy
> to
> >>>>> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Dave
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.com>.
Hi folks,
there is some “multiple instance support” which can also work around the “no department support” - I’m running for years 10 wikis on a single Tomcat instance :-)
On my wish list
* Markdown support
* Ease of embedding images
* Mobile friendliness
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
PS: Maybe there is a JSPWiki presentation at ApacheCon North America 2016 :-)
> On 06 Feb 2016, at 14:06, Jim Willeke <ji...@willeke.com> wrote:
>
> I have been using JSPWiki for more than 10 years and I too think it has a
> lot going for it.
>
> I agree with Dave. We need to answer "who is JSPWiki for?"
> And what does Features does JSPWiki have that is not already present within
> the market?
>
> These need to be one answered in one paragraph.
>
> I not see JSPWiki competing in a corporate environment:
>
> - Little (if any) support - SHOW STOPPER
> - No Department Support (cannot be separated into different namespaces)
> - SHOW STOPPER
> - NOT mobile friendly
> - Limited "pre-built" plugins to integrate with other Applications
> (think source control or issue tracking)
> - Limited Administration tools
> - Need more GUI interfaces (like adding a photo or Excel embedded into
> page)
>
> Personal Gripes
>
> - No markdown support
> - No multiple instance support (Well at least poor)
>
> It is listed on some comparison sites
> <http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/JSPWiki>, but not sure how current things
> are.
>
> From a technical standpoint, of course, almost anything is possible.
> From a market penetration standpoint, it is a different story.
>
> -jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -jim
> Jim Willeke
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/15 11:21, Paul Uszak wrote:
>>> I think that one of the initial points people should address, prior to
>>> launching a publicity campaign, is: who is JSPWiki for? It's pretty
>>> important to identify the market segment that efforts will then be made
>>> towards. We could all just talk about it a lot, but it's more efficient
>> if
>>> someone actually has an idea as to what is to be achieved, for whom.
>>
>> Fair point, but some of this is already covered right on
>> http://jspwiki.apache.org/ and
>> http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiFeatures. Any organisation
>> looking for the particular features listed there would be in the target
>> market for JSPWiki, for instance.
>>
>>> From a personal perspective as a user, it appears that JSPWiki is only
>>> suitable for a highly technical computer user. I use it because it meets
>>> certain nerdy requirements. Most casual users don't know what a server
>> is.
>>
>> I don't follow your logic at all. I don't think any organisation
>> interested in choosing JSPWiki to host instead of say Confluence or
>> MediaWiki expects their end users to install and run the product
>> themselves (comparisons to a desktop app such as Thunderbird are
>> completely apples to oranges).
>>
>>> Dave, you can get an impression of what I'm talking about by comparing
>> the
>>> ease of installation of Thunderbird to that of JSPWiki. Therefore, if
>> you
>>> think that we should be targeting developers /programmers, I would
>> suggest
>>> that perhaps those who want JSPWiki, know or can readily find out about
>>> JSPWiki. There might be an inherent danger of diminishing returns by
>>> publicising a highly technical product into the mainstream segment.
>>> Marketing 101 tells us not to advertise AR15s during the Super Bowl half
>>> time slot.
>>
>> I'm referring to volunteering free time and effort with a fair amount of
>> existing expertise to a small project which suffers from a lack of
>> visibility (the JSPWiki page even got yanked from Wikipedia due to a
>> lack of notability) – not the Super Bowl.
>>
>> I use JSPWiki for a variety of product and project documentation tasks,
>> and it largely excels at both. However, the legacy UI is getting long in
>> the tooth in terms of ease-of-use, and the problem with HADDOCK as far
>> as I am concerned is there are just not enough folks using it and
>> providing feedback. It's a great start but is not there yet for
>> full-time use (and I feel like a lone voice on JIRA). Hence why I'm in
>> strong agreement with the original author of this post, and why I'd
>> really like someone from the project to jump in here with some points of
>> view.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> On 29 November 2015 at 10:55, Dave Koelmeyer <
>>> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
>>>> response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
>>>> whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
>>>> back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
>>>> perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a
>> bit.
>>>>
>>>> I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
>>>> be approved by Apache.
>>>>
>>>> I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
>>>> I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
>>>>
>>>> How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
>>>> view?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>>> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>>>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we
>> do
>>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
>>>>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
>>>>> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dave
>>
>>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Jim Willeke <ji...@willeke.com>.
I have been using JSPWiki for more than 10 years and I too think it has a
lot going for it.
I agree with Dave. We need to answer "who is JSPWiki for?"
And what does Features does JSPWiki have that is not already present within
the market?
These need to be one answered in one paragraph.
I not see JSPWiki competing in a corporate environment:
- Little (if any) support - SHOW STOPPER
- No Department Support (cannot be separated into different namespaces)
- SHOW STOPPER
- NOT mobile friendly
- Limited "pre-built" plugins to integrate with other Applications
(think source control or issue tracking)
- Limited Administration tools
- Need more GUI interfaces (like adding a photo or Excel embedded into
page)
Personal Gripes
- No markdown support
- No multiple instance support (Well at least poor)
It is listed on some comparison sites
<http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/JSPWiki>, but not sure how current things
are.
>From a technical standpoint, of course, almost anything is possible.
>From a market penetration standpoint, it is a different story.
-jim
--
-jim
Jim Willeke
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> On 30/11/15 11:21, Paul Uszak wrote:
> > I think that one of the initial points people should address, prior to
> > launching a publicity campaign, is: who is JSPWiki for? It's pretty
> > important to identify the market segment that efforts will then be made
> > towards. We could all just talk about it a lot, but it's more efficient
> if
> > someone actually has an idea as to what is to be achieved, for whom.
>
> Fair point, but some of this is already covered right on
> http://jspwiki.apache.org/ and
> http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiFeatures. Any organisation
> looking for the particular features listed there would be in the target
> market for JSPWiki, for instance.
>
> > From a personal perspective as a user, it appears that JSPWiki is only
> > suitable for a highly technical computer user. I use it because it meets
> > certain nerdy requirements. Most casual users don't know what a server
> is.
>
> I don't follow your logic at all. I don't think any organisation
> interested in choosing JSPWiki to host instead of say Confluence or
> MediaWiki expects their end users to install and run the product
> themselves (comparisons to a desktop app such as Thunderbird are
> completely apples to oranges).
>
> > Dave, you can get an impression of what I'm talking about by comparing
> the
> > ease of installation of Thunderbird to that of JSPWiki. Therefore, if
> you
> > think that we should be targeting developers /programmers, I would
> suggest
> > that perhaps those who want JSPWiki, know or can readily find out about
> > JSPWiki. There might be an inherent danger of diminishing returns by
> > publicising a highly technical product into the mainstream segment.
> > Marketing 101 tells us not to advertise AR15s during the Super Bowl half
> > time slot.
>
> I'm referring to volunteering free time and effort with a fair amount of
> existing expertise to a small project which suffers from a lack of
> visibility (the JSPWiki page even got yanked from Wikipedia due to a
> lack of notability) – not the Super Bowl.
>
> I use JSPWiki for a variety of product and project documentation tasks,
> and it largely excels at both. However, the legacy UI is getting long in
> the tooth in terms of ease-of-use, and the problem with HADDOCK as far
> as I am concerned is there are just not enough folks using it and
> providing feedback. It's a great start but is not there yet for
> full-time use (and I feel like a lone voice on JIRA). Hence why I'm in
> strong agreement with the original author of this post, and why I'd
> really like someone from the project to jump in here with some points of
> view.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>
> > On 29 November 2015 at 10:55, Dave Koelmeyer <
> > dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
> >> response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
> >> whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
> >> back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
> >> perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a
> bit.
> >>
> >> I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
> >> be approved by Apache.
> >>
> >> I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
> >> I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
> >>
> >> How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
> >> view?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dave Koelmeyer
> >> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> >> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> >>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
> >>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we
> do
> >>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
> >>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
> >>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> >>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> >>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
> >>> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Dave
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 30/11/15 11:21, Paul Uszak wrote:
> I think that one of the initial points people should address, prior to
> launching a publicity campaign, is: who is JSPWiki for? It's pretty
> important to identify the market segment that efforts will then be made
> towards. We could all just talk about it a lot, but it's more efficient if
> someone actually has an idea as to what is to be achieved, for whom.
Fair point, but some of this is already covered right on
http://jspwiki.apache.org/ and
http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiFeatures. Any organisation
looking for the particular features listed there would be in the target
market for JSPWiki, for instance.
> From a personal perspective as a user, it appears that JSPWiki is only
> suitable for a highly technical computer user. I use it because it meets
> certain nerdy requirements. Most casual users don't know what a server is.
I don't follow your logic at all. I don't think any organisation
interested in choosing JSPWiki to host instead of say Confluence or
MediaWiki expects their end users to install and run the product
themselves (comparisons to a desktop app such as Thunderbird are
completely apples to oranges).
> Dave, you can get an impression of what I'm talking about by comparing the
> ease of installation of Thunderbird to that of JSPWiki. Therefore, if you
> think that we should be targeting developers /programmers, I would suggest
> that perhaps those who want JSPWiki, know or can readily find out about
> JSPWiki. There might be an inherent danger of diminishing returns by
> publicising a highly technical product into the mainstream segment.
> Marketing 101 tells us not to advertise AR15s during the Super Bowl half
> time slot.
I'm referring to volunteering free time and effort with a fair amount of
existing expertise to a small project which suffers from a lack of
visibility (the JSPWiki page even got yanked from Wikipedia due to a
lack of notability) – not the Super Bowl.
I use JSPWiki for a variety of product and project documentation tasks,
and it largely excels at both. However, the legacy UI is getting long in
the tooth in terms of ease-of-use, and the problem with HADDOCK as far
as I am concerned is there are just not enough folks using it and
providing feedback. It's a great start but is not there yet for
full-time use (and I feel like a lone voice on JIRA). Hence why I'm in
strong agreement with the original author of this post, and why I'd
really like someone from the project to jump in here with some points of
view.
Cheers,
Dave
> On 29 November 2015 at 10:55, Dave Koelmeyer <
> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
>> response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
>> whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
>> back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
>> perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a bit.
>>
>> I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
>> be approved by Apache.
>>
>> I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
>> I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
>>
>> How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
>> view?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
>>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
>>> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Paul Uszak <pa...@gmail.com>.
I think that one of the initial points people should address, prior to
launching a publicity campaign, is: who is JSPWiki for? It's pretty
important to identify the market segment that efforts will then be made
towards. We could all just talk about it a lot, but it's more efficient if
someone actually has an idea as to what is to be achieved, for whom.
>From a personal perspective as a user, it appears that JSPWiki is only
suitable for a highly technical computer user. I use it because it meets
certain nerdy requirements. Most casual users don't know what a server is.
Dave, you can get an impression of what I'm talking about by comparing the
ease of installation of Thunderbird to that of JSPWiki. Therefore, if you
think that we should be targeting developers /programmers, I would suggest
that perhaps those who want JSPWiki, know or can readily find out about
JSPWiki. There might be an inherent danger of diminishing returns by
publicising a highly technical product into the mainstream segment.
Marketing 101 tells us not to advertise AR15s during the Super Bowl half
time slot.
>From a more positive slant, some modernisation would be a good thing.
Mailing list, what the hell is a mailing list? They went out with the
horse and cart. Small steps Ellie, small steps ...
On 29 November 2015 at 10:55, Dave Koelmeyer <
dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
> response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
> whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
> back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
> perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a bit.
>
> I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
> be approved by Apache.
>
> I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
> I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
>
> How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
> view?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
>
>
>
> On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> > On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
> >> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
> >> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
> >> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
> >
> > Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> > Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> > whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
> > make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by "David (spindift)" <de...@spindrift.com>.
I'm wondering where you folks believe you are are putting out 2.10.2. If
you're trying to get noticed and increase adoption, fresh releases
always give people confidence that a project is alive and well.
On 11/29/2015 5:55 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
> response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
> whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
> back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
> perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a bit.
>
> I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
> be approved by Apache.
>
> I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
> I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
>
> How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
> view?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
Hi All,
Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a bit.
I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
be approved by Apache.
I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
view?
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>
> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
Can we just shut down (delete) the facebook page instead, and put those
efforts into improving our home page and wiki instead? I didn't even
know we were on Facebook. We're spreading ourselves too thin by
maintaining too many sites (we have Ohloh and Wikipedia as well), which
results in them all being poorly done and ends up making it painfully
evident to the world that we're a tiny team. It is better to have
*nothing* than have *something* that is really bad, that highlights that
we're really small. I can't sing, for example, so instead of having
MP3s on my blog of me singing poorly I don't have any MP3's at all, a
much better improvement. Same with JSPWiki leaving Facebook, why look
bad with having 4 followers when you can delete the Facebook page
instead? A nonexistent Facebook page doesn't say anything about our
size. A Facebook page with just 4 follows is bad advertising for us, we
look lousy compared to other Wiki tools that have hundreds of follows.
Yes, if IBM ran a commercial Wiki tool and paid several dozen to work on
it, they might be able to afford to maintain 10 different websites
beautifully. But for a small project like JSPWiki, it would be lunacy
for us to attempt the same, better to have just one or two sites that
are well-nourished than 10 that look crappy.
Glen
On 4/13/2014 3:17 AM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>
> /Janne
>
> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea, Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
On 07/20/2014 02:57 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
> On 13/05/14 21:01, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>>
>> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>>>
>>> /Janne
>>>
>>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer
>>> <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Hi Janne/All,
>>
>> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
>> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
>> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
>>
>> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki?
>> And do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
>
>
> Just a bump on this one :)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
Dave, don't get cute, there were four responses after this point on the
thread, all negative about continuing with Facebook. I've already
opined---seconded by Harry--that the only thing we need to do with
Facebook is to get its JSPWiki site shut down. It's a cybersquatting
site--i.e. something out of the control of the JSPWiki team--that Janne
should no longer be running.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jspwiki-dev/201405.mbox/%3CCABp47EteS9jYzy-_NSxPfUD%2BhPu5MuHOONyq-FfrqoBzrWwK%2BA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
Glen
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 13/05/14 21:01, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>>
>> /Janne
>>
>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer
>> <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>
> Hi Janne/All,
>
> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
>
> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki?
> And do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
Just a bump on this one :)
Dave
>
>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can
>>>> we do
>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
>>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy
>>> to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
Since I am not an administrator in this JSPWiki FB group, can someone
delete this group (or make me administrator, so I can delete it) ?
kind regards,
Harry
On 16 May 2014 07:10, Jürgen Weber <ju...@jwi.de> wrote:
> +1
> Am 16.05.2014 02:02 schrieb "Glen Mazza" <gl...@gmail.com>:
>
> > I'm opposed to this, and would still like to see whatever Facebook page
> we
> > presently have taken down/deleted. Janne is not on the team anymore, per
> > his own choice, and he shouldn't be creating additional social media
> sites
> > that are just going to end up getting neglected and hence making the
> > project look bad as a result. We need fewer but better maintained sites,
> > not more but poorly maintained ones.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > On 05/13/2014 05:01 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
> >>>
> >>> /Janne
> >>>
> >>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer
> <dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.
> >>> co.nz> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Hi Janne/All,
> >>
> >> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
> >> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
> >> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
> >> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
> >>
> >> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki? And
> >> do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we
> do
> >>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
> >>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> >>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> whopping
> >>>> four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a
> time
> >>>> commitment here to start posting fresh content.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dave Koelmeyer
> >>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Jürgen Weber <ju...@jwi.de>.
+1
Am 16.05.2014 02:02 schrieb "Glen Mazza" <gl...@gmail.com>:
> I'm opposed to this, and would still like to see whatever Facebook page we
> presently have taken down/deleted. Janne is not on the team anymore, per
> his own choice, and he shouldn't be creating additional social media sites
> that are just going to end up getting neglected and hence making the
> project look bad as a result. We need fewer but better maintained sites,
> not more but poorly maintained ones.
>
> Glen
>
> On 05/13/2014 05:01 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
>>
>> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>>
>>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>>>
>>> /Janne
>>>
>>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.
>>> co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Janne/All,
>>
>> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
>> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
>> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
>>
>> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki? And
>> do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping
>>>> four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time
>>>> commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
I fully agree with Glen here.
If someone can give me admin rights, I could try to remove the FB page.
regards,
Harry
On 13 May 2014 12:08, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm opposed to this, and would still like to see whatever Facebook page we
> presently have taken down/deleted. Janne is not on the team anymore, per
> his own choice, and he shouldn't be creating additional social media sites
> that are just going to end up getting neglected and hence making the
> project look bad as a result. We need fewer but better maintained sites,
> not more but poorly maintained ones.
>
> Glen
>
>
> On 05/13/2014 05:01 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
>>
>> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>>
>>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>>>
>>> /Janne
>>>
>>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.
>>> co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Janne/All,
>>
>> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
>> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
>> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
>>
>> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki? And
>> do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping
>>>> four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time
>>>> commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
I'm opposed to this, and would still like to see whatever Facebook page
we presently have taken down/deleted. Janne is not on the team anymore,
per his own choice, and he shouldn't be creating additional social media
sites that are just going to end up getting neglected and hence making
the project look bad as a result. We need fewer but better maintained
sites, not more but poorly maintained ones.
Glen
On 05/13/2014 05:01 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>>
>> /Janne
>>
>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer
>> <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>
> Hi Janne/All,
>
> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
>
> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki?
> And do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>
>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can
>>>> we do
>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
>>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy
>>> to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 13/05/14 21:01, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
> On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>>
>> /Janne
>>
>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer
>> <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>
> Hi Janne/All,
>
> A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
> Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
> organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
> https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
>
> Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki?
> And do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
Just a bump on this one :)
Dave
>
>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can
>>>> we do
>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
>>> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
>>> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy
>>> to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>
> /Janne
>
> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
Hi Janne/All,
A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki? And
do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
Cheers,
Dave
>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea, Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 13/04/14 19:17, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
> Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
>
> /Janne
>
> On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
Hi Janne/All,
A belated thanks for this. I believe since that group was created
Facebook has focused far more on Pages as a business or
organisation-specific promotion/marketing tool (cf.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/324706977130).
Would we please be able to create a fresh Facebook Page for JSPWiki? And
do we need sign-off from Apache for this?
Cheers,
Dave
>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea, Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
/Janne
On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>
> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea, Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
Hi All,
Sorry to bump an ancient thread (which I bumped previously with no
response). There is still only a JSPWiki Facebook group with the same
whopping four members. Janne enabled admin access for me a long while
back, but what should happen ideally is to create a Facebook Page, and
perhaps an associated Twitter channel, and start spreading the word a bit.
I'm super-happy to take the lead on this, but I imagine it would need to
be approved by Apache.
I currently handle social networks publicity for Mozilla Thunderbird, so
I've got a fair bit of experience on this one.
How can we get this progressed, and does anyone have any other points of
view?
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
On 13/04/14 15:31, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>
> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
Gave you admin access on the FB group :-)
/Janne
On 13 Apr 2014, at 06:31 , Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>
> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea, Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dave, you're a big booster of JSPWiki on the 'Net, we appreciate your
enthusiasm and willingness to help out. (Code patches welcome too... :-)
Regards,
Glen
On 4/12/2014 11:31 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>
> Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
> Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
> whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
> make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: Hi folks,
> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
Really ramping up activity on social networks would be a good idea,
Facebook and Twitter specifically. There is a Facebook page with a
whopping four members, and activity on there is all but dead. Happy to
make a time commitment here to start posting fresh content.
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi Luca,
please, feel free to edit the wiki page as necessary, edits are open to
everyone O:-)
br,
juan pablo
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:48 AM, lgilardoni61@gmail.com <
lgilardoni61@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are right - this has to be made extremely clear.
>
> You can omit the link (to Kie Services - which to be clear it is me) at
> all - my intention was not to spam or advertise but simply to show the wiki
> is used.
>
> Luca
>
>
> On 4/13/2014 3:10 AM, Glen Mazza wrote:
>
>> I'd advise against including intranet-only JSPWikis like Kie Services in
>> the main section, better to place them in a separate Intranet-only section
>> to make it clear that there's no JSPWiki instance for them to see, that
>> this is just a listing of companies happy with JSPWiki even if they can't
>> disclose their Wikis. Right now, people click on the Kie Services link and
>> they're taken to a website causing them to waste time clicking on its
>> various links trying to find a JSPWiki instance, only to find none.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> On 4/11/2014 6:44 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've added a link to
>>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites on the wiki
>>> home
>>> page, as it also was linked from there on the original (=Janne's) wiki.
>>> The
>>> page structure is taken from
>>> http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiSitesI've only added a few
>>> sites from Janne's wiki b/c there were many links
>>> down, so anyone running a JSPWiki instance out there please add a link at
>>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites !
>>>
>>>
>>> br,
>>> juan pablo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:42 AM, lgilardoni61@gmail.com <
>>> lgilardoni61@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> First (on my side) entry - my company (www.kie-services.com) is using
>>>> JSPWiki on its own intranet and a couple of major Italian law firms
>>>> intranet. Cannot
>>>> disclose these - they are customers of us and we have binding terms -
>>>> but
>>>> will try to be able to. Btw this was since very long (2003?)
>>>>
>>>> Luca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/11/2014 8:05 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
>>>>
>>>> sounds like a good idea to me !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 April 2014 03:42, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One easy way to raise JSPWiki's profile is to provide a page showing
>>>>> all
>>>>>
>>>>>> the external sites using it. I created this for Apache Roller: "
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ROLLER/WhoUsesRoller". To
>>>>>> find out Roller bloggers, I googled a text string that is usually
>>>>>> present
>>>>>> on Roller's login page ("powered by apache roller weblogger version
>>>>>> ...").
>>>>>> If JSPWiki could place a similar, non-obtrusive string on its login
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> (or actually anywhere, doesn't matter) googling on a monthly basis
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> see an increasing number of Wikis that could be added to a
>>>>>> "WhoUsesJSPWiki"
>>>>>> page. Seeing all the impressive ways JSPWiki is being used is a ton
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> easy advertising all by itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * the presentation at ApacheCon 2014 was a start
>>>>>>> * I also presented JSPWiki at my local Java User Group
>>>>>>> * very likely I will do another presentation at the Linux Days in
>>>>>>> Vienna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but this only reaches very few people :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what can we do to get more users?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Anyone in the mood to write an article and try to publish it?
>>>>>>> * Are there any conferences were JSPWiki can be easily presented?
>>>>>>> * Any other and better ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Siegfried Goeschl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by "lgilardoni61@gmail.com" <lg...@gmail.com>.
You are right - this has to be made extremely clear.
You can omit the link (to Kie Services - which to be clear it is me) at
all - my intention was not to spam or advertise but simply to show the
wiki is used.
Luca
On 4/13/2014 3:10 AM, Glen Mazza wrote:
> I'd advise against including intranet-only JSPWikis like Kie Services
> in the main section, better to place them in a separate Intranet-only
> section to make it clear that there's no JSPWiki instance for them to
> see, that this is just a listing of companies happy with JSPWiki even
> if they can't disclose their Wikis. Right now, people click on the
> Kie Services link and they're taken to a website causing them to waste
> time clicking on its various links trying to find a JSPWiki instance,
> only to find none.
>
> Glen
>
> On 4/11/2014 6:44 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've added a link to
>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites on the
>> wiki home
>> page, as it also was linked from there on the original (=Janne's)
>> wiki. The
>> page structure is taken from
>> http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiSitesI've only added a few
>> sites from Janne's wiki b/c there were many links
>> down, so anyone running a JSPWiki instance out there please add a
>> link at
>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites !
>>
>>
>> br,
>> juan pablo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:42 AM, lgilardoni61@gmail.com <
>> lgilardoni61@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> First (on my side) entry - my company (www.kie-services.com) is using
>>> JSPWiki on its own intranet and a couple of major Italian law firms
>>> intranet. Cannot
>>> disclose these - they are customers of us and we have binding terms
>>> - but
>>> will try to be able to. Btw this was since very long (2003?)
>>>
>>> Luca
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2014 8:05 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
>>>
>>>> sounds like a good idea to me !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 April 2014 03:42, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One easy way to raise JSPWiki's profile is to provide a page
>>>> showing all
>>>>> the external sites using it. I created this for Apache Roller: "
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ROLLER/WhoUsesRoller". To
>>>>> find out Roller bloggers, I googled a text string that is usually
>>>>> present
>>>>> on Roller's login page ("powered by apache roller weblogger version
>>>>> ...").
>>>>> If JSPWiki could place a similar, non-obtrusive string on its
>>>>> login
>>>>> page
>>>>> (or actually anywhere, doesn't matter) googling on a monthly basis
>>>>> should
>>>>> see an increasing number of Wikis that could be added to a
>>>>> "WhoUsesJSPWiki"
>>>>> page. Seeing all the impressive ways JSPWiki is being used is a
>>>>> ton of
>>>>> easy advertising all by itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can
>>>>>> we do
>>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * the presentation at ApacheCon 2014 was a start
>>>>>> * I also presented JSPWiki at my local Java User Group
>>>>>> * very likely I will do another presentation at the Linux Days in
>>>>>> Vienna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but this only reaches very few people :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what can we do to get more users?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Anyone in the mood to write an article and try to publish it?
>>>>>> * Are there any conferences were JSPWiki can be easily presented?
>>>>>> * Any other and better ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Siegfried Goeschl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
Re: Open Discussion - How to increasing JSPWiki publicity ...
Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
I'd advise against including intranet-only JSPWikis like Kie Services in
the main section, better to place them in a separate Intranet-only
section to make it clear that there's no JSPWiki instance for them to
see, that this is just a listing of companies happy with JSPWiki even if
they can't disclose their Wikis. Right now, people click on the Kie
Services link and they're taken to a website causing them to waste time
clicking on its various links trying to find a JSPWiki instance, only to
find none.
Glen
On 4/11/2014 6:44 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've added a link to
> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites on the wiki home
> page, as it also was linked from there on the original (=Janne's) wiki. The
> page structure is taken from
> http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/wiki/JSPWikiSitesI've only added a few
> sites from Janne's wiki b/c there were many links
> down, so anyone running a JSPWiki instance out there please add a link at
> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=JSPWikiSites !
>
>
> br,
> juan pablo
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:42 AM, lgilardoni61@gmail.com <
> lgilardoni61@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> First (on my side) entry - my company (www.kie-services.com) is using
>> JSPWiki on its own intranet and a couple of major Italian law firms
>> intranet. Cannot
>> disclose these - they are customers of us and we have binding terms - but
>> will try to be able to. Btw this was since very long (2003?)
>>
>> Luca
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/2014 8:05 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
>>
>>> sounds like a good idea to me !
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 April 2014 03:42, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> One easy way to raise JSPWiki's profile is to provide a page showing all
>>>> the external sites using it. I created this for Apache Roller: "
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ROLLER/WhoUsesRoller". To
>>>> find out Roller bloggers, I googled a text string that is usually present
>>>> on Roller's login page ("powered by apache roller weblogger version
>>>> ...").
>>>> If JSPWiki could place a similar, non-obtrusive string on its login
>>>> page
>>>> (or actually anywhere, doesn't matter) googling on a monthly basis should
>>>> see an increasing number of Wikis that could be added to a
>>>> "WhoUsesJSPWiki"
>>>> page. Seeing all the impressive ways JSPWiki is being used is a ton of
>>>> easy advertising all by itself.
>>>>
>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/10/2014 8:54 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>> the question at hand is to increase JSPWiki’s publicity - how can we do
>>>>> that? Unfortunately Open Source also consists of lot of advertising
>>>>> otherwise no user will ever use it :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> * the presentation at ApacheCon 2014 was a start
>>>>> * I also presented JSPWiki at my local Java User Group
>>>>> * very likely I will do another presentation at the Linux Days in Vienna
>>>>>
>>>>> but this only reaches very few people :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> So what can we do to get more users?
>>>>>
>>>>> * Anyone in the mood to write an article and try to publish it?
>>>>> * Are there any conferences were JSPWiki can be easily presented?
>>>>> * Any other and better ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> Siegfried Goeschl
>>>>>
>>>>>