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[Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6875

Kevin A. McGrail <km...@pccc.com> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Kevin A. McGrail <km...@pccc.com> ---
For now, I've lowered the scores but I think this zmailer issue might need to
be looked into again from bug 6429.

svn commit -m 'Bug 6875 to try and lower scores re: tabs in date and from
header'


Sending        rulesrc/sandbox/hege/20_hk.cf
Sending        rulesrc/sandbox/kb/20_header.cf
Transmitting file data ..
Committed revision 1419599.

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Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Axb wrote:

> On 12/10/2012 11:29 PM, John Hardin wrote:
>>  On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Axb wrote:
>> 
>> >  Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
>> >  Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore
>> >  and which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
>>
>>  If the performance apart from zmailer is good in masscheck, then perhaps
>>  an offsetting score for zmailer MUA only?
>
> Zmailer is a fossil of a MTA, not a MUA.

Ah. Ok. But the question is still valid, assuming there's some way to 
identify Zmailer in the Received headers...

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Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 12/10/2012 11:29 PM, John Hardin wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Axb wrote:
>
>> Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
>> Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore
>> and which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
>
> If the performance apart from zmailer is good in masscheck, then perhaps
> an offsetting score for zmailer MUA only?
>

Zmailer is a fossil of a MTA, not a MUA.

Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Axb wrote:

> Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
> Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore and 
> which hasn't seen a release since 2007?

If the performance apart from zmailer is good in masscheck, then perhaps 
an offsetting score for zmailer MUA only?

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Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 12/10/2012 11:02 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> On 12/10/2012 4:58 PM, Axb wrote:
>> On 12/10/2012 10:48 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2012 4:44 PM, Axb wrote:
>>>> Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
>>> I don't even know what zmailer is ;-)
>>>> Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore
>>>> and which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
>>>> (ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/mail/zmailer/src/)
>>> I didn't consider it an issue since I couldn't find any hits with the
>>> rules in my corpora.  Do you ever have it fire?  Otherwise, it's a rule
>>> that has an S/O of 0 hitting only on Hams.
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://ruleqa.spamassassin.org/20121210-r1419267-n/TAB_IN_FROM/detail
>>
>> hitting 18% of our spam corpus.
>>
>> Wonder what the ham is in Darxus' corpus.....
> Wow, to go from 0 on my end checking a corpora of millions of messages
> to yours with an 18% hit.  Possible something on your end is
> reformatting things to add it?
>
> Any rhyme or reason you can find?

Although these messages are passed thru SA, the subject is not 
modified/tagged. Nothing modifies the "From" header unless procmail has 
developed a new habit, although then it would have to hit way more of my 
fraud corpus.

Also, the two corpus with the most hits: "foo" amd "sa-users" are very 
similar and have many traits in common.


> Also I don't know that Darxus had the issue.  This was a complaint from
> Apache infrastructure.


Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 12/10/2012 4:58 PM, Axb wrote:
> On 12/10/2012 10:48 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>> On 12/10/2012 4:44 PM, Axb wrote:
>>> Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
>> I don't even know what zmailer is ;-)
>>> Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore
>>> and which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
>>> (ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/mail/zmailer/src/)
>> I didn't consider it an issue since I couldn't find any hits with the
>> rules in my corpora.  Do you ever have it fire?  Otherwise, it's a rule
>> that has an S/O of 0 hitting only on Hams.
>>
>
>
> http://ruleqa.spamassassin.org/20121210-r1419267-n/TAB_IN_FROM/detail
>
> hitting 18% of our spam corpus.
>
> Wonder what the ham is in Darxus' corpus.....
Wow, to go from 0 on my end checking a corpora of millions of messages 
to yours with an 18% hit.  Possible something on your end is 
reformatting things to add it?

Any rhyme or reason you can find?

Also I don't know that Darxus had the issue.  This was a complaint from 
Apache infrastructure.

Regards,
KAM

Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 12/10/2012 10:48 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> On 12/10/2012 4:44 PM, Axb wrote:
>> Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
> I don't even know what zmailer is ;-)
>> Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore
>> and which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
>> (ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/mail/zmailer/src/)
> I didn't consider it an issue since I couldn't find any hits with the
> rules in my corpora.  Do you ever have it fire?  Otherwise, it's a rule
> that has an S/O of 0 hitting only on Hams.
>


http://ruleqa.spamassassin.org/20121210-r1419267-n/TAB_IN_FROM/detail

hitting 18% of our spam corpus.

Wonder what the ham is in Darxus' corpus.....

Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 12/10/2012 4:44 PM, Axb wrote:
> Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
I don't even know what zmailer is ;-)
> Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore 
> and which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
> (ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/mail/zmailer/src/)
I didn't consider it an issue since I couldn't find any hits with the 
rules in my corpora.  Do you ever have it fire?  Otherwise, it's a rule 
that has an S/O of 0 hitting only on Hams.


Regards,
KAM

Re: [Bug 6875] User with Zmailer getting flagged for TAB_IN_FROM and KB_FROM_CONTAINS_TAB

Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 12/10/2012 06:34 PM, bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.spamassassin.org wrote:
> https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6875
>
> Kevin A. McGrail <km...@pccc.com> changed:
>
>             What    |Removed                     |Added
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                   CC|                            |kmcgrail@pccc.com
>
> --- Comment #1 from Kevin A. McGrail <km...@pccc.com> ---
> For now, I've lowered the scores but I think this zmailer issue might need to
> be looked into again from bug 6429.
>
> svn commit -m 'Bug 6875 to try and lower scores re: tabs in date and from
> header'
>
>
> Sending        rulesrc/sandbox/hege/20_hk.cf
> Sending        rulesrc/sandbox/kb/20_header.cf
> Transmitting file data ..
> Committed revision 1419599.
>

Why isn't Zmailer dev requested to fix it?
Lowering our defenses for software which hardly anybody uses anymore and 
which hasn't seen a release since 2007?
(ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/mail/zmailer/src/)

imo, same should apply to any other software putting tabs all over the 
place.