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Posted to dev@heron.apache.org by Josh Fischer <jo...@joshfischer.io> on 2023/01/05 16:50:51 UTC
[VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
[DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
+1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
-1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
Here is my vote:
+1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Josh
1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Josh Fischer <jo...@joshfischer.io>.
I agree, Saad. This was my first open source project and I sunk a ton of
time into it.
However, it was not for nothing. I learned a ton about the tech, the
Apache Way and made a few new friends along the way.
I’ll carry this over to general@a.o in a bit.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 9:53 AM Saad Ur Rahman <sa...@apache.org>
wrote:
> This project represents thousands of hours of engineering and a
> considerable portion of people's professional lives. It is therefore
> with a heavy heart that I vote:
>
> +1 [X] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> We are the custodians of this codebase, and it is our responsibility
> to convey to any potential end-users that it is no longer being
> maintained. I wish it could have graduated to a top-level project and
> then transitioned to the attic.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:12 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > You can do what you want with the Heron software. You cannot use the
> trademarks Heron nor Apache in the name of your successor version.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dave
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:32 AM, Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel
> free to
> > > have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to
> you.
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim
> it
> > >> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
> > >>
> > >> ------ Original Message ------
> > >> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> > >> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> > >> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> > >> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>
> > >>> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> > >>> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> > >>> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy
> community to
> > >>> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> > >> community
> > >>> left.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't
> this
> > >>>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> > >> libraries/etc
> > >>>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use
> Heron -
> > >> I'm
> > >>>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ron W
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> > >> been
> > >>>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending
> out a
> > >>>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Here is my vote:
> > >>>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Josh
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
--
Sent from A Mobile Device
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Saad Ur Rahman <sa...@apache.org>.
This project represents thousands of hours of engineering and a
considerable portion of people's professional lives. It is therefore
with a heavy heart that I vote:
+1 [X] Retire Heron from the Incubator
We are the custodians of this codebase, and it is our responsibility
to convey to any potential end-users that it is no longer being
maintained. I wish it could have graduated to a top-level project and
then transitioned to the attic.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:12 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> You can do what you want with the Heron software. You cannot use the trademarks Heron nor Apache in the name of your successor version.
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:32 AM, Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io> wrote:
> >
> > Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
> > have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
> >> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
> >>
> >> ------ Original Message ------
> >> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> >> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> >> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> >> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >>> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> >>> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> >>> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
> >>> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> >> community
> >>> left.
> >>>
> >>> [1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> >>>>
> >>>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
> >>>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> >> libraries/etc
> >>>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
> >> I'm
> >>>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron W
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> >> been
> >>>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> >>>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> >>>>
> >>>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is my vote:
> >>>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
You can do what you want with the Heron software. You cannot use the trademarks Heron nor Apache in the name of your successor version.
Best,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:32 AM, Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io> wrote:
>
> Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
> have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>>
>> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
>> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
>> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
>> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
>> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>>> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
>>> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
>>> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
>>> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
>> community
>>> left.
>>>
>>> [1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
>>>>
>>>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
>>>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
>> libraries/etc
>>>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
>> I'm
>>>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
>>>>
>>>> Ron W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
>> been
>>>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
>>>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>>>>
>>>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>>>>
>>>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>>>>
>>>> Here is my vote:
>>>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Re[2]: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Josh Fischer <jo...@joshfischer.io>.
Ron,
Knowing what you know now, does it change your vote?
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 7:32 AM Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io>
wrote:
> Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
> have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>
> > ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
> > as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> > To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> > Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> > Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >
> > >Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> > >project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> > >available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community
> to
> > >survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> > community
> > >left.
> > >
> > >[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> > >>
> > >> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't
> this
> > >> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> > libraries/etc
> > >> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron
> -
> > I'm
> > >> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> > >>
> > >> Ron W
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> > been
> > >> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending
> out a
> > >> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> > >>
> > >> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> > >>
> > >> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>
> > >> Here is my vote:
> > >> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>
> > >> Josh
> > >>
> > >> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
--
Sent from A Mobile Device
Re: Re[2]: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io>.
Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> >Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> >project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> >available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
> >survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> community
> >left.
> >
> >[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >
> >On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> >>
> >> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
> >> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> libraries/etc
> >> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
> I'm
> >> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> >>
> >> Ron W
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> been
> >> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> >> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> >>
> >> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> >>
> >> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >> Here is my vote:
> >> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re[2]: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net>.
ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
>project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
>available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
>survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any community
>left.
>
>[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
>On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>
>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
>>
>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the libraries/etc
>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron - I'm
>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
>>
>> Ron W
>>
>>
>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
>>
>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>>
>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>>
>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>> Here is my vote:
>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Ning Wang <wa...@gmail.com>.
My sad vote:
+1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
The community has ideas to improve it (like more k8s coupling and cloud
native), but the work is very hard to digest considering the project is
entirely volunteering-based currently.
We can still maintain the community and keep the project available for
people who are interested, but it seems like being an Apache incubator
project isn't that important/helpful any more.
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:21 PM Windham Wong from StormEye.io <
windham.wong@stormeye.io> wrote:
> +1 as if the tech is still publicly available, the project can still be
> alive if community/business love to use it.
>
> At this point, I believe the project is at usable state but lack of
> business support, just like Confluent with Kafka, Alibaba with Flink. I
> personally wants to do this as my business as well but I am also
> struggling using it in my business as the tuning the system is still
> very difficult.
>
> For the last 2 years I also seeing other open source batch/stream
> processing systems are going for the same approach as well, such as
> Flink is supporting stream processing, and Storm 2.0 came out, Heron
> struggles to compare with these as the community is relatively smaller.
> I don't blame people, we know Twitter is behind Heron in its original
> idea and the very early stage, but there is no public support of the
> software that makes the open source project goes without a strong one leg.
>
> I think it is the fate of OSS, a chance that no one picks up or no one
> wants to offer help at all. I will still want to offer help or work
> together if someone wants to use Heron after the retirement from incubator.
>
> Regards J,
> *Windham Wong*
> *OSWE, OSCP, GCIA, Specialist in Cybersecurity*
> Email // windham.wong@stormeye.io
> Co-Founder, CTO, Managing Partner
> *StormEye.io, Hong Kong Managed Security Operation Center Limited*
> Specialist in Cybersecurity, Log Management, SIEM System
> <https://www.stormeye.io>
> _Incubating Company in Intake #32, Cyberport Incudbation Programme_
> <
> https://www.cyberport.hk/en/about_cyberport/cyberport_entrepreneurs/cyberport_incubation_programme>
>
>
> <
> https://www.cyberport.hk/en/about_cyberport/cyberport_entrepreneurs/cyberport_incubation_programme>
>
>
> _Joining Company in Wistron Accelerator #2, AppWorks Accelerator_
> <https://appworks.tw/>
>
> On 6/1/2023 1:05 am, Josh Fischer wrote:
> > Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> > project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> > available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
> > survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> community
> > left.
> >
> > [1].https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom<rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> >>
> >> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
> >> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> libraries/etc
> >> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
> I'm
> >> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> >>
> >> Ron W
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
> >> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> >> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> >>
> >> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> >>
> >> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >> Here is my vote:
> >> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> >>
> >>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by "Windham Wong from StormEye.io" <wi...@stormeye.io>.
+1 as if the tech is still publicly available, the project can still be
alive if community/business love to use it.
At this point, I believe the project is at usable state but lack of
business support, just like Confluent with Kafka, Alibaba with Flink. I
personally wants to do this as my business as well but I am also
struggling using it in my business as the tuning the system is still
very difficult.
For the last 2 years I also seeing other open source batch/stream
processing systems are going for the same approach as well, such as
Flink is supporting stream processing, and Storm 2.0 came out, Heron
struggles to compare with these as the community is relatively smaller.
I don't blame people, we know Twitter is behind Heron in its original
idea and the very early stage, but there is no public support of the
software that makes the open source project goes without a strong one leg.
I think it is the fate of OSS, a chance that no one picks up or no one
wants to offer help at all. I will still want to offer help or work
together if someone wants to use Heron after the retirement from incubator.
Regards J,
*Windham Wong*
*OSWE, OSCP, GCIA, Specialist in Cybersecurity*
Email // windham.wong@stormeye.io
Co-Founder, CTO, Managing Partner
*StormEye.io, Hong Kong Managed Security Operation Center Limited*
Specialist in Cybersecurity, Log Management, SIEM System
<https://www.stormeye.io>
_Incubating Company in Intake #32, Cyberport Incudbation Programme_
<https://www.cyberport.hk/en/about_cyberport/cyberport_entrepreneurs/cyberport_incubation_programme>
<https://www.cyberport.hk/en/about_cyberport/cyberport_entrepreneurs/cyberport_incubation_programme>
_Joining Company in Wistron Accelerator #2, AppWorks Accelerator_
<https://appworks.tw/>
On 6/1/2023 1:05 am, Josh Fischer wrote:
> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any community
> left.
>
> [1].https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom<rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>
>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
>>
>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the libraries/etc
>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron - I'm
>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
>>
>> Ron W
>>
>>
>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
>>
>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>>
>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>>
>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>> Here is my vote:
>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Josh Fischer <jo...@joshfischer.io>.
Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any community
left.
[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
>
> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the libraries/etc
> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron - I'm
> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
>
> Ron W
>
>
> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
>
> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>
> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>
> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> Here is my vote:
> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> Josh
>
> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net>.
-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
libraries/etc will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still
use Heron - I'm fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain
available.
Ron W
On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>
> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>
> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> Here is my vote:
> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> Josh
>
> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f