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Posted to infrastructure-dev@apache.org by Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> on 2013/06/18 22:24:56 UTC
Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
I recently opened this JIRA to consider having the ASF have a Stash
instance:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6402
I think it would be a huge boon for projects that are interested in using
Git at the ASF (on top of that, we get pull requests and JIRA integration).
I have already reached out to Atlassian and there more than glad to give
the ASF an open source license to Stash... and even better... help out in
getting it running!
What would the best way to see this happen or help with this effort?
--
Cheers,
Chris Aniszczyk
http://aniszczyk.org
+1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 20 June 2013 16:22, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, the majority of projects use JIRA, I can't name one that doesn't:
https://issues.apache.org/
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProjects.jspa#all
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:15, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The reason I initially suggested Stash is because of the integration with
>> > JIRA which is the defacto bug tracker at the ASF.
>>
>> Is it? I'm not sure I'd support that statement entirely.
>>
>>
>> > Going with GitHub
>> > Enterprise is great, but you'd have another bug tracker + wiki system
>> that
>> > comes along with it (could be a good thing).
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho <jarcec@apache.org
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify.
>> >> Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian
>> Stash.
>> >> You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's
>> not
>> >> service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code
>> >> would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is
>> >> working.
>> >>>
>> >>> My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have
>> >> github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the
>> >> github software itself.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> IMO - the value of github isn't the software. Yes it's nice and
>> >> pretty, but the real value is in the community hub that it's become. I
>> >> routinely discover new projects on github, and that central hub makes
>> >> it easy for me to contribute back small patches - but pull requests
>> >> and forks aren't magic inherently, we really can do all of that with
>> >> git already (albeit without the pretty gui).
>> >>
>> >> --David
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Chris Aniszczyk
>> > http://aniszczyk.org
>> > +1 512 961 6719
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com
>> pctony@apache.org
>>
>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Aniszczyk
> http://aniszczyk.org
> +1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 20/06/2013 16:23, Tony Stevenson wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:22, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the majority of projects use JIRA, I can't name one that doesn't:
>
> httpd
OpenOffice, Tomcat, SpamAssassin, and others.
Yeah. Just a few of the minor players really.
Looking at bug counts Jira has around twice as many as the Bugzilla
instances combined.
Jira also requires several orders of magnitude more effort to maintain
than Bugzilla. As one of the people doing that maintenance, I'm not
personally convinced that the extra features you get with Jira are worth
the hassle that comes with them. However, some projects like the
features so we (infra) put up with the hassle.
Mark
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:22, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, the majority of projects use JIRA, I can't name one that doesn't:
httpd
Cheers,
Tony
----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson
tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org
http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
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Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 20 June 2013 17:22, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, the majority of projects use JIRA, I can't name one that doesn't:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProjects.jspa#all
>
AOO
rgds
jan I
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:15, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The reason I initially suggested Stash is because of the integration
> with
> > > JIRA which is the defacto bug tracker at the ASF.
> >
> > Is it? I'm not sure I'd support that statement entirely.
> >
> >
> > > Going with GitHub
> > > Enterprise is great, but you'd have another bug tracker + wiki system
> > that
> > > comes along with it (could be a good thing).
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho <
> jarcec@apache.org
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify.
> > >> Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian
> > Stash.
> > >> You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware.
> It's
> > not
> > >> service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the
> code
> > >> would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is
> > >> working.
> > >>>
> > >>> My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have
> > >> github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the
> > >> github software itself.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> IMO - the value of github isn't the software. Yes it's nice and
> > >> pretty, but the real value is in the community hub that it's become. I
> > >> routinely discover new projects on github, and that central hub makes
> > >> it easy for me to contribute back small patches - but pull requests
> > >> and forks aren't magic inherently, we really can do all of that with
> > >> git already (albeit without the pretty gui).
> > >>
> > >> --David
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Chris Aniszczyk
> > > http://aniszczyk.org
> > > +1 512 961 6719
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com
> > pctony@apache.org
> >
> > http://www.pc-tony.com
> >
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Aniszczyk
> http://aniszczyk.org
> +1 512 961 6719
>
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com>.
Yes, the majority of projects use JIRA, I can't name one that doesn't:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProjects.jspa#all
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:15, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The reason I initially suggested Stash is because of the integration with
> > JIRA which is the defacto bug tracker at the ASF.
>
> Is it? I'm not sure I'd support that statement entirely.
>
>
> > Going with GitHub
> > Enterprise is great, but you'd have another bug tracker + wiki system
> that
> > comes along with it (could be a good thing).
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho <jarcec@apache.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>> There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify.
> >> Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian
> Stash.
> >> You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's
> not
> >> service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code
> >> would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is
> >> working.
> >>>
> >>> My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have
> >> github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the
> >> github software itself.
> >>>
> >>
> >> IMO - the value of github isn't the software. Yes it's nice and
> >> pretty, but the real value is in the community hub that it's become. I
> >> routinely discover new projects on github, and that central hub makes
> >> it easy for me to contribute back small patches - but pull requests
> >> and forks aren't magic inherently, we really can do all of that with
> >> git already (albeit without the pretty gui).
> >>
> >> --David
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris Aniszczyk
> > http://aniszczyk.org
> > +1 512 961 6719
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Chris Aniszczyk
http://aniszczyk.org
+1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:15, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The reason I initially suggested Stash is because of the integration with
> JIRA which is the defacto bug tracker at the ASF.
Is it? I'm not sure I'd support that statement entirely.
> Going with GitHub
> Enterprise is great, but you'd have another bug tracker + wiki system that
> comes along with it (could be a good thing).
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho <ja...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify.
>> Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian Stash.
>> You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's not
>> service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code
>> would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is
>> working.
>>>
>>> My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have
>> github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the
>> github software itself.
>>>
>>
>> IMO - the value of github isn't the software. Yes it's nice and
>> pretty, but the real value is in the community hub that it's become. I
>> routinely discover new projects on github, and that central hub makes
>> it easy for me to contribute back small patches - but pull requests
>> and forks aren't magic inherently, we really can do all of that with
>> git already (albeit without the pretty gui).
>>
>> --David
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Aniszczyk
> http://aniszczyk.org
> +1 512 961 6719
Cheers,
Tony
----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson
tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org
http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com>.
The reason I initially suggested Stash is because of the integration with
JIRA which is the defacto bug tracker at the ASF. Going with GitHub
Enterprise is great, but you'd have another bug tracker + wiki system that
comes along with it (could be a good thing).
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho <ja...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify.
> Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian Stash.
> You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's not
> service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code
> would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is
> working.
> >
> > My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have
> github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the
> github software itself.
> >
>
> IMO - the value of github isn't the software. Yes it's nice and
> pretty, but the real value is in the community hub that it's become. I
> routinely discover new projects on github, and that central hub makes
> it easy for me to contribute back small patches - but pull requests
> and forks aren't magic inherently, we really can do all of that with
> git already (albeit without the pretty gui).
>
> --David
>
--
Cheers,
Chris Aniszczyk
http://aniszczyk.org
+1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify. Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian Stash. You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's not service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is working.
>
> My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the github software itself.
>
IMO - the value of github isn't the software. Yes it's nice and
pretty, but the real value is in the community hub that it's become. I
routinely discover new projects on github, and that central hub makes
it easy for me to contribute back small patches - but pull requests
and forks aren't magic inherently, we really can do all of that with
git already (albeit without the pretty gui).
--David
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 09:50 AM, Jarek Jarcec Cecho wrote:
> There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify. Github
> Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian Stash. You
> will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's not
> service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code
> would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is
> working.
>
> My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have
> github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the
> github software itself.
*If* we're exploring github like alternatives, I feel compelled to note
that there are non-proprietary varieties available, like
http://gitorious.org/. While I imagine AGPLv3 isn't a first choice
'round these parts, I think it'd be preferable to yet another
proprietary piece. I believe it also has the benefit of not being
written in Java, which Tony didn't seem to keen on adding more of.
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Jarek Jarcec Cecho <ja...@apache.org>.
There seems to be some confusion about my note, so let me clarify. Github Enteprise is product offering very similar to the Attlasian Stash. You will get the product and you will install it on your hardware. It's not service in the cloud or something like that, so master copy of the code would be on ASF hardware, exactly the same way as Attlasian Stash is working.
My point here is that if we are considering to install Stash to have github-like functionality, we might also install (on our hardware) the github software itself.
Jarcec
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:30:53AM +0300, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> - The master copy of our code must be on our hardware.
>
> - People want to allow any github user to issue pull requests.
>
> The current set-up with github.com/apache mirrors is one solution.
>
> Another is to allow some sort of federated pull requests, i.e.,
> git-wip-us.apache.org would expose an API that people can use their
> github (or bitbucket or *) accounts to submit pull requests at ---
> without having ASF accounts.
>
> Ulrich Stärk wrote on Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:38:43 +0200:
> > And hand over control over our code to some third party?
> >
> > On 19.06.2013 21:57, Jarek Jarcec Cecho wrote:
> > > A bit unrelated, more philosophical question - if the goal here is to have github-like
> > > functionality at ASF, wouldn't it be simpler to use the github [1] itself?
> > >
> > > Jarcec
> > >
> > > Links: 1: https://enterprise.github.com/
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:27:17PM -0700, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
> > >> The current method of taking pull requests from GitHub is very manual and will always be
> > >> (since ASF projects aren't hosted on GitHub). Stash would essentially bring GitHub style
> > >> methods of working to the ASF.
> > >>
> > >> I'll comment on the JIRA issue more on why I think this is a good thing, there's many other
> > >> useful features of Stash.
> > >>
> > >> In regards to the FreeBSD issue, I'll followup with the Stash team to see what's up.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jeremy Thomerson < jeremy@thomersonfamily.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
> > >>>> yet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise. It also has
> > >>>> integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare bones.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two ways to submit
> > >>> pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is probably the better of the two
> > >>> considering many developers who are submitting pull requests may already have a GH account
> > >>> and not want to create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
> > >>> version control site).
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeremy
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -- Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Chris Aniszczyk http://aniszczyk.org +1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
- The master copy of our code must be on our hardware.
- People want to allow any github user to issue pull requests.
The current set-up with github.com/apache mirrors is one solution.
Another is to allow some sort of federated pull requests, i.e.,
git-wip-us.apache.org would expose an API that people can use their
github (or bitbucket or *) accounts to submit pull requests at ---
without having ASF accounts.
Ulrich Stärk wrote on Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:38:43 +0200:
> And hand over control over our code to some third party?
>
> On 19.06.2013 21:57, Jarek Jarcec Cecho wrote:
> > A bit unrelated, more philosophical question - if the goal here is to have github-like
> > functionality at ASF, wouldn't it be simpler to use the github [1] itself?
> >
> > Jarcec
> >
> > Links: 1: https://enterprise.github.com/
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:27:17PM -0700, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
> >> The current method of taking pull requests from GitHub is very manual and will always be
> >> (since ASF projects aren't hosted on GitHub). Stash would essentially bring GitHub style
> >> methods of working to the ASF.
> >>
> >> I'll comment on the JIRA issue more on why I think this is a good thing, there's many other
> >> useful features of Stash.
> >>
> >> In regards to the FreeBSD issue, I'll followup with the Stash team to see what's up.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jeremy Thomerson < jeremy@thomersonfamily.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
> >>>> yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise. It also has
> >>>> integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare bones.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two ways to submit
> >>> pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is probably the better of the two
> >>> considering many developers who are submitting pull requests may already have a GH account
> >>> and not want to create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
> >>> version control site).
> >>>
> >>> Jeremy
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Cheers,
> >>
> >> Chris Aniszczyk http://aniszczyk.org +1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@apache.org>.
And hand over control over our code to some third party?
On 19.06.2013 21:57, Jarek Jarcec Cecho wrote:
> A bit unrelated, more philosophical question - if the goal here is to have github-like
> functionality at ASF, wouldn't it be simpler to use the github [1] itself?
>
> Jarcec
>
> Links: 1: https://enterprise.github.com/
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:27:17PM -0700, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
>> The current method of taking pull requests from GitHub is very manual and will always be
>> (since ASF projects aren't hosted on GitHub). Stash would essentially bring GitHub style
>> methods of working to the ASF.
>>
>> I'll comment on the JIRA issue more on why I think this is a good thing, there's many other
>> useful features of Stash.
>>
>> In regards to the FreeBSD issue, I'll followup with the Stash team to see what's up.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jeremy Thomerson < jeremy@thomersonfamily.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise. It also has
>>>> integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare bones.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two ways to submit
>>> pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is probably the better of the two
>>> considering many developers who are submitting pull requests may already have a GH account
>>> and not want to create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
>>> version control site).
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Aniszczyk http://aniszczyk.org +1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Jarek Jarcec Cecho <ja...@apache.org>.
A bit unrelated, more philosophical question - if the goal here is to have github-like functionality at ASF, wouldn't it be simpler to use the github [1] itself?
Jarcec
Links:
1: https://enterprise.github.com/
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:27:17PM -0700, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
> The current method of taking pull requests from GitHub is very manual and
> will always be (since ASF projects aren't hosted on GitHub). Stash would
> essentially bring GitHub style methods of working to the ASF.
>
> I'll comment on the JIRA issue more on why I think this is a good thing,
> there's many other useful features of Stash.
>
> In regards to the FreeBSD issue, I'll followup with the Stash team to see
> what's up.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jeremy Thomerson <
> jeremy@thomersonfamily.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
> >> yet.
> >>
> >> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise.
> >> It also has integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare
> >> bones.
> >
> >
> > I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two
> > ways to submit pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is
> > probably the better of the two considering many developers who are
> > submitting pull requests may already have a GH account and not want to
> > create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
> > version control site).
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Aniszczyk
> http://aniszczyk.org
> +1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com>.
The current method of taking pull requests from GitHub is very manual and
will always be (since ASF projects aren't hosted on GitHub). Stash would
essentially bring GitHub style methods of working to the ASF.
I'll comment on the JIRA issue more on why I think this is a good thing,
there's many other useful features of Stash.
In regards to the FreeBSD issue, I'll followup with the Stash team to see
what's up.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jeremy Thomerson <
jeremy@thomersonfamily.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
>> > The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
>> yet.
>>
>> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise.
>> It also has integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare
>> bones.
>
>
> I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two
> ways to submit pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is
> probably the better of the two considering many developers who are
> submitting pull requests may already have a GH account and not want to
> create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
> version control site).
>
> Jeremy
>
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Cheers,
Chris Aniszczyk
http://aniszczyk.org
+1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 18/06/2013 21:53, Jeremy Thomerson wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
>>> The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
>> yet.
>>
>> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise.
>> It also has integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare
>> bones.
>
>
> I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two
> ways to submit pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is
> probably the better of the two considering many developers who are
> submitting pull requests may already have a GH account and not want to
> create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
> version control site).
And another:
As the git service grows the intention is to move it from its current
FreeBSD jail to eris & harmonia (alongside the svn service).
Stash is not supported on FreeBSD and having tried to run Jira on the
unsupported FreeBSD OS I have no wish to repeat that experience with
another Atlassian product.
Mark
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Jeremy Thomerson <je...@thomersonfamily.com>.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
> > The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted
> yet.
>
> Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise.
> It also has integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare
> bones.
I'll add another reason not to use Stash: if we had it, then there are two
ways to submit pull requests. It seems better to have one. And Github is
probably the better of the two considering many developers who are
submitting pull requests may already have a GH account and not want to
create a Stash account or manage their pull requests on YAVCS (yet another
version control site).
Jeremy
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
Cheers,
Tony
Sent from my iPhone - Please excuse any brevity or typos.
On 18 Jun 2013, at 21:40, Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted yet.
Actually it is very popular indeed. A lot more than you might recognise. It also has integration with GitHub. So that hardly strikes me as bare bones.
> It seems the fact that we already deploy a lot of Atlassian products it
> makes sense to use Stash, given that Atlassian is interested in help us
> make this happen. It doesn't hurt to enable it for a few projects and see
> how it acts.
We use 2 of there vast array of products. That doesn't constitute a lot in my book.
Why would we deploy yet another tool or product and risk diversifying our platform too much? The stash product does have some benefits but it also has drawbacks which right now far outweigh the positives.
So as I said its a case of "thanks but no thanks"
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for your messages, however as you may well be aware already we
>> have already developed an internal git solution. This has taken us
>> considerable time, and is quite tightly integrated with our existing
>> infrastructure.
>>
>> Another issue is that we have concerns about making this particular
>> offering scale to the same size as say our SVN repo is (~1.5million
>> commits) as it is Java based. Yes, we have pre-conceptions about Java
>> software as a sysadmin that is kind of natural. But we also have some
>> very real world experience in which we habe suffered a great deal of
>> pain.
>>
>> I deployed stash at my other dayjob, and we started to play with it, and
>> it quickly needed more resources than you might consider healthy. I
>> suggested some months ago that we trial it, but that was quixckly
>> rebuffed and then recanted by me after seeing real-world use.
>>
>> So on this occasion, sadly I think the answer is :
>>
>> "Thanks, but no thanks".
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Aniszczyk wrote on Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 01:24:56PM -0700:
>>> I recently opened this JIRA to consider having the ASF have a Stash
>>> instance:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6402
>>>
>>> I think it would be a huge boon for projects that are interested in using
>>> Git at the ASF (on top of that, we get pull requests and JIRA
>> integration).
>>> I have already reached out to Atlassian and there more than glad to give
>>> the ASF an open source license to Stash... and even better... help out in
>>> getting it running!
>>>
>>> What would the best way to see this happen or help with this effort?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris Aniszczyk
>>> http://aniszczyk.org
>>> +1 512 961 6719
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com
>> pctony@apache.org
>>
>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> ----------------------------------
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Aniszczyk
> http://aniszczyk.org
> +1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Chris Aniszczyk <ca...@gmail.com>.
The internal git solution is kind of bare bones and not widely adopted yet.
It seems the fact that we already deploy a lot of Atlassian products it
makes sense to use Stash, given that Atlassian is interested in help us
make this happen. It doesn't hurt to enable it for a few projects and see
how it acts.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Thanks for your messages, however as you may well be aware already we
> have already developed an internal git solution. This has taken us
> considerable time, and is quite tightly integrated with our existing
> infrastructure.
>
> Another issue is that we have concerns about making this particular
> offering scale to the same size as say our SVN repo is (~1.5million
> commits) as it is Java based. Yes, we have pre-conceptions about Java
> software as a sysadmin that is kind of natural. But we also have some
> very real world experience in which we habe suffered a great deal of
> pain.
>
> I deployed stash at my other dayjob, and we started to play with it, and
> it quickly needed more resources than you might consider healthy. I
> suggested some months ago that we trial it, but that was quixckly
> rebuffed and then recanted by me after seeing real-world use.
>
> So on this occasion, sadly I think the answer is :
>
> "Thanks, but no thanks".
>
>
>
> Chris Aniszczyk wrote on Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 01:24:56PM -0700:
> > I recently opened this JIRA to consider having the ASF have a Stash
> > instance:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6402
> >
> > I think it would be a huge boon for projects that are interested in using
> > Git at the ASF (on top of that, we get pull requests and JIRA
> integration).
> > I have already reached out to Atlassian and there more than glad to give
> > the ASF an open source license to Stash... and even better... help out in
> > getting it running!
> >
> > What would the best way to see this happen or help with this effort?
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris Aniszczyk
> > http://aniszczyk.org
> > +1 512 961 6719
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Chris Aniszczyk
http://aniszczyk.org
+1 512 961 6719
Re: Atlasssian Stash at the ASF?
Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Chris,
Thanks for your messages, however as you may well be aware already we
have already developed an internal git solution. This has taken us
considerable time, and is quite tightly integrated with our existing
infrastructure.
Another issue is that we have concerns about making this particular
offering scale to the same size as say our SVN repo is (~1.5million
commits) as it is Java based. Yes, we have pre-conceptions about Java
software as a sysadmin that is kind of natural. But we also have some
very real world experience in which we habe suffered a great deal of
pain.
I deployed stash at my other dayjob, and we started to play with it, and
it quickly needed more resources than you might consider healthy. I
suggested some months ago that we trial it, but that was quixckly
rebuffed and then recanted by me after seeing real-world use.
So on this occasion, sadly I think the answer is :
"Thanks, but no thanks".
Chris Aniszczyk wrote on Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 01:24:56PM -0700:
> I recently opened this JIRA to consider having the ASF have a Stash
> instance:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6402
>
> I think it would be a huge boon for projects that are interested in using
> Git at the ASF (on top of that, we get pull requests and JIRA integration).
> I have already reached out to Atlassian and there more than glad to give
> the ASF an open source license to Stash... and even better... help out in
> getting it running!
>
> What would the best way to see this happen or help with this effort?
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Aniszczyk
> http://aniszczyk.org
> +1 512 961 6719
--
Cheers,
Tony
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tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org
http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
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