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commons-email problems
There is no clue in the commons-email documentation for hows to go
about getting it. The status section claims it is 1.0, it has been
moved out of the sandbox, but clicking on the download link provides
nothing, and there isn't even any info for building the thing. As far
as I can tell, it is, at the least, going to involve installing maven
and subversion. Anyone care to clue me in on the process, or point me
at a jar file to use?
--sam
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Dion Gillard <di...@gmail.com>.
FWIW, email does have nightly snapshots, as all commons components do.
See http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/nightly/commons-email/
On 7/21/05, Sam Gendler <sg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no clue in the commons-email documentation for hows to go
> about getting it. The status section claims it is 1.0, it has been
> moved out of the sandbox, but clicking on the download link provides
> nothing, and there isn't even any info for building the thing. As far
> as I can tell, it is, at the least, going to involve installing maven
> and subversion. Anyone care to clue me in on the process, or point me
> at a jar file to use?
>
> --sam
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Simon Kitching <sk...@apache.org>.
Hi Sam,
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 19:14 -0700, Sam Gendler wrote:
> There is no clue in the commons-email documentation for hows to go
> about getting it. The status section claims it is 1.0, it has been
> moved out of the sandbox, but clicking on the download link provides
> nothing, and there isn't even any info for building the thing. As far
> as I can tell, it is, at the least, going to involve installing maven
> and subversion. Anyone care to clue me in on the process, or point me
> at a jar file to use?
>
Commons-email has recently been promoted from the "sandbox" and sandbox
projects don't have binary builds available; users have to build from
source code.
Clicking on the "downloads" link under "Project Documentation" on the
commons-email site shows the message "This project has not released any
version yet" which is correct.
I'm not sure what you mean by "status section claims it is 1.0". In the
project.xml file, currentVersion is set to "1.0-rc5-SNAPSHOT" which is
correct.
As the currentVersion value indicates, Email is very near to a 1.0
release. However the release manager has unfortunately had a family
member taken seriously ill, so the release is on hold for a while.
So for the moment, yes you do need to download the code from subversion
and build a release using maven (building using maven is *really* easy).
If you check back in a week or two there will hopefully be a shiny new
1.0 release available for download.
BTW, this question would probably be better asked on the commons-user
list.
Regards,
Simon
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@mdh.se>.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 18:06 +0200, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>
>>robert burrell donkin wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 23:54 +0200, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sam Gendler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, clicking on that link ust provides a link to an HTML view of
>>>>>the source repository. It doesn't include any instructions for
>>>>>actually accessing the source repository, nor do any of the docs
>>>>>within the souce repository. That's why I wound up using wget to get
>>>>>the source so I could build it.
>>>>
>>>>Yes that's right. Do you need info on *how* to download the source code
>>>>for the project, in addition to *where* to download it?
>>>>
>>>>If that is the case then we have these two pages:
>>>> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps we should add a link to one or both of these pages to the
>>>>commons site navigation template? Questions on how to download the
>>>>source from version control pops up every now and then, especially for
>>>>products that have not yet had a release.
>>>
>>>
>>>+1
>>>
>>>dennis: could you contribute a patch?
>>
>>I had a look at this and was puzzled for a while. Looking at the
>>commons-logging site there is a link to
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
>>under "Jakarta Community" in the menu. But when I tried building it with
>>Maven I didn't get the menu item.
>>
>>It turns out that skitching removed that menu item from commons-build at
>>2005-05-23 (revision #172281). The commit message was
>> "Remove link to jakarta repository info in jakarta community navbar
>> section. This information is too generic for commons users; the links
>> available from the commons site are more useful/targetted."
>
>
> well spotted 8-)
>
>
>>Should we put it back again?
>
>
> i remember now :)
>
> now we're using subversion, it's better to have more specific links at
> the component level rather than generic ones.
>
> but we've managed to lose links to any information about how to use
> subversion.
>
>
>>As for actually checking stuff out of the source repository I think the
>>Apache page is more informative. There is a link to that page from the
>>Jakarta page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html). So perhaps
>>one link is enough?
>
>
> we've been trying to migrate as much useful material from the jakarta to
> the foundation site as possible. perhaps just a link to the apache page
> in the general information section would be best: 'Using SVN' (or
> something like that).
OK then, here's a patch that adds a menu item "Using SVN" under "General
Information" menu. The link goes to the Apache page.
--
Dennis Lundberg
Re: commons-email problems
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 18:06 +0200, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 23:54 +0200, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
> >
> >>Sam Gendler wrote:
> >>
> >>>Actually, clicking on that link ust provides a link to an HTML view of
> >>>the source repository. It doesn't include any instructions for
> >>>actually accessing the source repository, nor do any of the docs
> >>>within the souce repository. That's why I wound up using wget to get
> >>>the source so I could build it.
> >>
> >>Yes that's right. Do you need info on *how* to download the source code
> >>for the project, in addition to *where* to download it?
> >>
> >>If that is the case then we have these two pages:
> >> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
> >>
> >>Perhaps we should add a link to one or both of these pages to the
> >>commons site navigation template? Questions on how to download the
> >>source from version control pops up every now and then, especially for
> >>products that have not yet had a release.
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > dennis: could you contribute a patch?
>
> I had a look at this and was puzzled for a while. Looking at the
> commons-logging site there is a link to
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
> under "Jakarta Community" in the menu. But when I tried building it with
> Maven I didn't get the menu item.
>
> It turns out that skitching removed that menu item from commons-build at
> 2005-05-23 (revision #172281). The commit message was
> "Remove link to jakarta repository info in jakarta community navbar
> section. This information is too generic for commons users; the links
> available from the commons site are more useful/targetted."
well spotted 8-)
> Should we put it back again?
i remember now :)
now we're using subversion, it's better to have more specific links at
the component level rather than generic ones.
but we've managed to lose links to any information about how to use
subversion.
> As for actually checking stuff out of the source repository I think the
> Apache page is more informative. There is a link to that page from the
> Jakarta page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html). So perhaps
> one link is enough?
we've been trying to migrate as much useful material from the jakarta to
the foundation site as possible. perhaps just a link to the apache page
in the general information section would be best: 'Using SVN' (or
something like that).
- robert
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@mdh.se>.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 23:54 +0200, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>
>>Sam Gendler wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, clicking on that link ust provides a link to an HTML view of
>>>the source repository. It doesn't include any instructions for
>>>actually accessing the source repository, nor do any of the docs
>>>within the souce repository. That's why I wound up using wget to get
>>>the source so I could build it.
>>
>>Yes that's right. Do you need info on *how* to download the source code
>>for the project, in addition to *where* to download it?
>>
>>If that is the case then we have these two pages:
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
>>
>>Perhaps we should add a link to one or both of these pages to the
>>commons site navigation template? Questions on how to download the
>>source from version control pops up every now and then, especially for
>>products that have not yet had a release.
>
>
> +1
>
> dennis: could you contribute a patch?
I had a look at this and was puzzled for a while. Looking at the
commons-logging site there is a link to
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
under "Jakarta Community" in the menu. But when I tried building it with
Maven I didn't get the menu item.
It turns out that skitching removed that menu item from commons-build at
2005-05-23 (revision #172281). The commit message was
"Remove link to jakarta repository info in jakarta community navbar
section. This information is too generic for commons users; the links
available from the commons site are more useful/targetted."
Should we put it back again?
As for actually checking stuff out of the source repository I think the
Apache page is more informative. There is a link to that page from the
Jakarta page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html). So perhaps
one link is enough?
--
Dennis Lundberg
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 23:54 +0200, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
> Sam Gendler wrote:
> > Actually, clicking on that link ust provides a link to an HTML view of
> > the source repository. It doesn't include any instructions for
> > actually accessing the source repository, nor do any of the docs
> > within the souce repository. That's why I wound up using wget to get
> > the source so I could build it.
>
> Yes that's right. Do you need info on *how* to download the source code
> for the project, in addition to *where* to download it?
>
> If that is the case then we have these two pages:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
> http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
>
> Perhaps we should add a link to one or both of these pages to the
> commons site navigation template? Questions on how to download the
> source from version control pops up every now and then, especially for
> products that have not yet had a release.
+1
dennis: could you contribute a patch?
- robert
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@mdh.se>.
Sam Gendler wrote:
> Actually, clicking on that link ust provides a link to an HTML view of
> the source repository. It doesn't include any instructions for
> actually accessing the source repository, nor do any of the docs
> within the souce repository. That's why I wound up using wget to get
> the source so I could build it.
Yes that's right. Do you need info on *how* to download the source code
for the project, in addition to *where* to download it?
If that is the case then we have these two pages:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html
Perhaps we should add a link to one or both of these pages to the
commons site navigation template? Questions on how to download the
source from version control pops up every now and then, especially for
products that have not yet had a release.
--
Dennis Lundberg
> On 7/21/05, Dennis Lundberg <de...@mdh.se> wrote:
>
>>Sam Gendler wrote:
>>
>>>>The repository is documented on
>>>>the site at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/email/cvs-usage.html .
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks. That is what I was looking for. There isn't actually a link
>>>to that webpage from anywhere in the commons-email project pages, as
>>>far as I can see. I certainly looked. And I just checked again and I
>>>don't see a link to it anywhere obvious. That should probably be
>>>corrected.
>>
>>The reason you couldn't find the link is that the look-and-feel of the
>>current commons-email website is a bit flawed. The "Project Info" in the
>>left-hand navbar can actually be folded out, although there is no
>>graphical notation that tells you that, to reveal the link above to
>>"Source Repository".
>>
>>--
>>Dennis Lundberg
>>
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Sam Gendler <sg...@gmail.com>.
Actually, clicking on that link ust provides a link to an HTML view of
the source repository. It doesn't include any instructions for
actually accessing the source repository, nor do any of the docs
within the souce repository. That's why I wound up using wget to get
the source so I could build it.
--sam
On 7/21/05, Dennis Lundberg <de...@mdh.se> wrote:
> Sam Gendler wrote:
> >>The repository is documented on
> >>the site at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/email/cvs-usage.html .
> >
> >
> > Thanks. That is what I was looking for. There isn't actually a link
> > to that webpage from anywhere in the commons-email project pages, as
> > far as I can see. I certainly looked. And I just checked again and I
> > don't see a link to it anywhere obvious. That should probably be
> > corrected.
>
> The reason you couldn't find the link is that the look-and-feel of the
> current commons-email website is a bit flawed. The "Project Info" in the
> left-hand navbar can actually be folded out, although there is no
> graphical notation that tells you that, to reveal the link above to
> "Source Repository".
>
> --
> Dennis Lundberg
>
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@mdh.se>.
Sam Gendler wrote:
>>The repository is documented on
>>the site at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/email/cvs-usage.html .
>
>
> Thanks. That is what I was looking for. There isn't actually a link
> to that webpage from anywhere in the commons-email project pages, as
> far as I can see. I certainly looked. And I just checked again and I
> don't see a link to it anywhere obvious. That should probably be
> corrected.
The reason you couldn't find the link is that the look-and-feel of the
current commons-email website is a bit flawed. The "Project Info" in the
left-hand navbar can actually be folded out, although there is no
graphical notation that tells you that, to reveal the link above to
"Source Repository".
--
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Sam Gendler <sg...@gmail.com>.
> The repository is documented on
> the site at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/email/cvs-usage.html .
Thanks. That is what I was looking for. There isn't actually a link
to that webpage from anywhere in the commons-email project pages, as
far as I can see. I certainly looked. And I just checked again and I
don't see a link to it anywhere obvious. That should probably be
corrected.
The nightly snapshot thing is a good tip. After failing to find an
official build, and being unable to find any instructions for actually
accessing the source, it never even occured to me to look in the
nightly snapshots. FWIW, the snapshot failed for the last 2 nights.
The 0718 and 0719 snapshots are empty tar files. 0717 looks to be a
good one.
Hopefully, these emails will show up under google via the mailing list
archive (Incidentally, is there a search function on the archive? I
couldn't spot one), and the next person with similar problems will be
able to avoid my frustration. Thanks for the help, folks.
Geez, I feel like such a complainer. I'd fix these problems, but I
can't, so I'll be beta tester instead, I guess.
--sam
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Re: commons-email problems
Posted by Dion Gillard <di...@gmail.com>.
If you're looking to build from source, use Maven 1.0.2 as the build tool.
Ant should also work as there is a build.xml in the source.
To check out code, you'll need to point a subversion client such as
TortoiseSVN at the email repository. The repository is documented on
the site at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/email/cvs-usage.html .
On 7/21/05, Sam Gendler <sg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no clue in the commons-email documentation for hows to go
> about getting it. The status section claims it is 1.0, it has been
> moved out of the sandbox, but clicking on the download link provides
> nothing, and there isn't even any info for building the thing. As far
> as I can tell, it is, at the least, going to involve installing maven
> and subversion. Anyone care to clue me in on the process, or point me
> at a jar file to use?
>
> --sam
>
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