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Posted to women@apache.org by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com> on 2005/08/15 00:31:09 UTC
Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
There was a ton of email last week on women@ and out of it comes a
strong sense that two lists are needed: one for operational discussions
and a second mail list for strategic discussions.
This email thread discusses the charter for women@apache.org, which is
focused on operational discussions. I started a separate thread for
women-{strategic_name_tbd}@apache.org .
I'm freely stealing the words and ideas of others that I've heard in the
last week. But any misrepresentations of anyone's ideas are my fault
alone and please jump in and correct me (and my apologies in advance).
women@apache.org
================
This is the operational list intended for helping women become active in
projects at Apache.
Goals:
1. Support a community dialogue with the women we want to help get
more involved. Those on the list who are more knowledgeable about
the ASF can help those who are less knowledgeable understand what
Apache is and how to do things at Apache.
2. Provide a place where women who are involved at the ASF, and
women who are not (but perhaps would like to be), can share
experiences and discuss both obstacles and successful approaches
to getting involved.
3. Provide a place where other interested parties at the ASF, such
as women-{strategic_name_tdb}@apache.org, can become aware of
those discussions and issues.
4. Provide a comfortable forum for women to discuss issues relating
to Apache that they feel particularly apply to their gender.
5. Provide a forum in which women can be supported and encouraged
by each other (and others) in endeavours to become or continue
involved at the ASF.
6. Adapt to such currently-unanticipated future goals or objectives
as may seem appropriate as time passes.
Subscriptions:
1. Non-committers may subscribe
2. Subscriptions are moderated until the list decides otherwise
3. The list is publicly archived
Mail list description:
The women@apache.org mailing list encourages women to participate
in Apache Software Foundation projects. This list is open to anyone
who wants to participate in an Apache project. It provides a supportive,
encouraging forum to discuss topics that will help women get involved.
You might be a woman who wants to get (more) involved or you might be
somebody who wants to help women get involved. Subscriptions are
moderated, but public archives are available.
Am I capturing what was conveyed over the last week for the operational
list? Am I missing anything?
thanks,
-jean
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by Ian Holsman <kr...@gmail.com>.
+1 on this and the other list Jean.
I wish I could have said this as well as you on the vote thread.
Cheers
Ian
On 8/15/05, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
> There was a ton of email last week on women@ and out of it comes a
> strong sense that two lists are needed: one for operational discussions
> and a second mail list for strategic discussions.
>
> This email thread discusses the charter for women@apache.org, which is
> focused on operational discussions. I started a separate thread for
> women-{strategic_name_tbd}@apache.org .
>
> I'm freely stealing the words and ideas of others that I've heard in the
> last week. But any misrepresentations of anyone's ideas are my fault
> alone and please jump in and correct me (and my apologies in advance).
>
>
>
> women@apache.org
> ================
>
> This is the operational list intended for helping women become active in
> projects at Apache.
>
> Goals:
> 1. Support a community dialogue with the women we want to help get
> more involved. Those on the list who are more knowledgeable about
> the ASF can help those who are less knowledgeable understand what
> Apache is and how to do things at Apache.
> 2. Provide a place where women who are involved at the ASF, and
> women who are not (but perhaps would like to be), can share
> experiences and discuss both obstacles and successful approaches
> to getting involved.
> 3. Provide a place where other interested parties at the ASF, such
> as women-{strategic_name_tdb}@apache.org, can become aware of
> those discussions and issues.
> 4. Provide a comfortable forum for women to discuss issues relating
> to Apache that they feel particularly apply to their gender.
> 5. Provide a forum in which women can be supported and encouraged
> by each other (and others) in endeavours to become or continue
> involved at the ASF.
> 6. Adapt to such currently-unanticipated future goals or objectives
> as may seem appropriate as time passes.
>
> Subscriptions:
> 1. Non-committers may subscribe
> 2. Subscriptions are moderated until the list decides otherwise
> 3. The list is publicly archived
>
>
> Mail list description:
>
> The women@apache.org mailing list encourages women to participate
> in Apache Software Foundation projects. This list is open to anyone
> who wants to participate in an Apache project. It provides a supportive,
> encouraging forum to discuss topics that will help women get involved.
> You might be a woman who wants to get (more) involved or you might be
> somebody who wants to help women get involved. Subscriptions are
> moderated, but public archives are available.
>
>
> Am I capturing what was conveyed over the last week for the operational
> list? Am I missing anything?
>
> thanks,
>
> -jean
>
>
--
Ian@Holsman.net -- 03-9877-0909
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough. -
Mario Andretti
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
David Crossley wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>>Am I capturing what was conveyed over the last week
>>for the operational list? Am I missing anything?
>
>
> I reckon you have done a great job at defining the purpose.
>
> I am still concerned that the issues are far wider than
> just women, so the list will get tangled up with the
> general newbie issues. But as already discussed: do it
> and see where it leads. Perhaps the smaller group will
> be better able to address those general issues.
There is overlap with newbie issues. But if we want to increase
participation by women, a specifically women's list is more likely to
achieve greater participation.
> What is the purpose of moderating subscriptions with a list
> that allows anyone to subscribe? I cannot see on what basis
> the moderators are going to deny a certain subscription.
It's how the list was originally set up.
Would anyone object to removing moderation of subscriptions? I'm fine
with that.
If we leave moderation in place, I need some help understanding better
how to moderate the subscription. :-) I know how to moderate posts from
Derby experience, but this is my first time moderating subscriptions.
When I reply to the moderation notice, there is a cc to the requestor.
Should I leave that? or remove it? And should we provide more info about
the list at that point? I thought David said something about that in
another thread, but I'm having difficulty finding that now.
-jean
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
> Am I capturing what was conveyed over the last week
> for the operational list? Am I missing anything?
I reckon you have done a great job at defining the purpose.
I am still concerned that the issues are far wider than
just women, so the list will get tangled up with the
general newbie issues. But as already discussed: do it
and see where it leads. Perhaps the smaller group will
be better able to address those general issues.
What is the purpose of moderating subscriptions with a list
that allows anyone to subscribe? I cannot see on what basis
the moderators are going to deny a certain subscription.
-David
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by susan wu <su...@arctic.org>.
+1
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> There was a ton of email last week on women@ and out of it comes a strong
> sense that two lists are needed: one for operational discussions and a second
> mail list for strategic discussions.
>
> This email thread discusses the charter for women@apache.org, which is
> focused on operational discussions. I started a separate thread for
> women-{strategic_name_tbd}@apache.org .
>
> I'm freely stealing the words and ideas of others that I've heard in the last
> week. But any misrepresentations of anyone's ideas are my fault alone and
> please jump in and correct me (and my apologies in advance).
>
>
>
> women@apache.org
> ================
>
> This is the operational list intended for helping women become active in
> projects at Apache.
>
> Goals:
> 1. Support a community dialogue with the women we want to help get
> more involved. Those on the list who are more knowledgeable about
> the ASF can help those who are less knowledgeable understand what
> Apache is and how to do things at Apache.
> 2. Provide a place where women who are involved at the ASF, and
> women who are not (but perhaps would like to be), can share
> experiences and discuss both obstacles and successful approaches
> to getting involved.
> 3. Provide a place where other interested parties at the ASF, such
> as women-{strategic_name_tdb}@apache.org, can become aware of
> those discussions and issues.
> 4. Provide a comfortable forum for women to discuss issues relating
> to Apache that they feel particularly apply to their gender.
> 5. Provide a forum in which women can be supported and encouraged
> by each other (and others) in endeavours to become or continue
> involved at the ASF.
> 6. Adapt to such currently-unanticipated future goals or objectives
> as may seem appropriate as time passes.
>
> Subscriptions:
> 1. Non-committers may subscribe
> 2. Subscriptions are moderated until the list decides otherwise
> 3. The list is publicly archived
>
>
> Mail list description:
>
> The women@apache.org mailing list encourages women to participate
> in Apache Software Foundation projects. This list is open to anyone
> who wants to participate in an Apache project. It provides a supportive,
> encouraging forum to discuss topics that will help women get involved. You
> might be a woman who wants to get (more) involved or you might be somebody
> who wants to help women get involved. Subscriptions are moderated, but public
> archives are available.
>
>
> Am I capturing what was conveyed over the last week for the operational list?
> Am I missing anything?
>
> thanks,
>
> -jean
>
>
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> ...
> Regarding this:
>
> If you are interested in joining, please send an email to
> women-subscribe@apache.org, with a brief sentence or two describing who
> you are.
>
> I wondered if the "brief sentence or two" would be passed through to the
> moderation request. I didn't have time to pursue that today and will try
> to do so tomorrow.
>
For closure on this thread, the message gets passed through so
moderation works as desired (David, thanks for testing).
This then makes a good invite/description:
> Mail list description:
>
> The Apache Software Foundation is looking to start a new mailing list
> for women!
>
> The goal of the women@apache.org mailing list is to foster greater
> participation by women in the ASF community. The list provides a
> supportive, encouraging forum to help women become more involved in ASF
> projects. The list is open to all genders - you might be a woman who
> wants to become more involved or you might be someone who would just
> like to help create a welcoming environment. Subscriptions are
> moderated, but public archives are available.
>
> If you are interested in joining, please send an email to
> women-subscribe@apache.org, with a brief sentence or two describing who
> you are.
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
> I wondered if the "brief sentence or two" would be passed through to the
> moderation request. I didn't have time to pursue that today and will try
> to do so tomorrow.
Lets test it. I will subscribe from another address.
Deny it or i will unsub, whatever.
-David
Re: Charter for Apache women list: women@apache.org
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Down below is a modification of the charter for the women@apache.org
list first posted at
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-women/200508.mbox/%3c42FFC62D.5090102@bristowhill.com%3e
. This works in Susan Wu's suggestions from
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-women/200508.mbox/%3cPine.LNX.4.63.0508162317030.18729@twinlark.arctic.org%3e
.
Regarding this:
If you are interested in joining, please send an email to
women-subscribe@apache.org, with a brief sentence or two describing who
you are.
I wondered if the "brief sentence or two" would be passed through to the
moderation request. I didn't have time to pursue that today and will try
to do so tomorrow.
-jean
women@apache.org
================
This is the operational list intended for helping women become active in
projects at Apache.
Goals:
1. Support a community dialogue with the women we want to help get
more involved. Those on the list who are more knowledgeable about
the ASF can help those who are less knowledgeable understand what
Apache is and how to do things at Apache.
2. Provide a place where women who are involved at the ASF, and
women who are not (but perhaps would like to be), can share
experiences and discuss both obstacles and successful approaches
to getting involved.
3. Provide a place where other interested parties at the ASF, such
as women-{strategic_name_tdb}@apache.org, can become aware of
those discussions and issues.
4. Provide a comfortable forum for women to discuss issues relating
to Apache that they feel particularly apply to their gender.
5. Provide a forum in which women can be supported and encouraged
by each other (and others) in endeavours to become or continue
involved at the ASF.
6. Adapt to such currently-unanticipated future goals or objectives
as may seem appropriate as time passes.
Subscriptions:
1. Non-committers may subscribe
2. Subscriptions are moderated until the list decides otherwise
3. The list is publicly archived
Mail list description:
The Apache Software Foundation is looking to start a new mailing list
for women!
The goal of the women@apache.org mailing list is to foster greater
participation by women in the ASF community. The list provides a
supportive, encouraging forum to help women become more involved in ASF
projects. The list is open to all genders - you might be a woman who
wants to become more involved or you might be someone who would just
like to help create a welcoming environment. Subscriptions are
moderated, but public archives are available.
If you are interested in joining, please send an email to
women-subscribe@apache.org, with a brief sentence or two describing who
you are.