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Using the browser selectors in webapp/sitemap.xmap
Hi,
Given IE7's super-dooper standard CSS rendering, I'm trying to serve
alternative CSS links to MSIE browsers.
I've noticed the:
<map:selectors default="browser">
<map:selector name="browser" logger="sitemap.selector.browser"
src="org.apache.cocoon.selection.BrowserSelector">
...
<browser name="explorer" useragent="MSIE"/>
...
bit in webapp/sitemap.xmap. How would we actually use this within our .xsl
files to select CSS links based on e.g., the useragent?
For now, we've added:
<map:parameter name="browser" value="{request-header:user-agent}"/>
(a lucky guess that seems to work!) to our publication-sitemap.xmap
and pick it up with a:
<xsl:param name="browser"/>
and e.g.,
<xsl:value-of select="$browser" />
What is the best way to do this and are the request-header: variables
etc. documented anywhere?
Regards,
James
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Re: Using the browser selectors in webapp/sitemap.xmap
Posted by Richard Frovarp <Ri...@sendit.nodak.edu>.
IE7 is suppose to be pretty decent with CSS. In fact I know that several
hacks to get IE6 to look right, actually screw up IE7. Also, sending out
the xml header throws a monkey wrench into how IE6 renders the page. It
forces it into quirks mode. Getting rid of the xml header has fixed some
problems with IE6 showing content from Lenya. Our sister organization
uses TYPO3. When I mentioned to them to drop the xml header, things
started to work better for them as well. They had to remove some IE6
hacks at that point.
drseuk@sdf-eu.org wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> Many thanks for the links!
>
> We looked at using IE conditional comments, but decided against them
> because using the "not IE" style comments invalidates our XHTML (and
> also, the way we've got Lenya set up, Lenya, rightly, complains). Plus
> We're not prepared to accommodate Microsoft's inability or
> unwillingness to make a standards-compliant browser. Currently our
> (fully standards-compliant pages) render perfectly in Opera, FF,
> Safari, Lynx, PalmOS etc. but look worse in IEn - IE7 than if
> stylesheets are switched off altogether.
>
> Without Lenya (or a similar less superior system), we'd be back to the
> old days of plain pages or ugly hacks (thanks guys!).
>
> Whilst browser sniffing has the side-effect of allowing us completely
> to isolate the CSS we chuck at IE, the main reason we're using it is
> to spot Lynx and PalmOS for now (we'll probably add MSPIE at some point).
>
> For now we're only switching CSS based on the user agent. It might be
> useful to switch more (e.g., have page2xhtml-page-palmos.xsl, switch
> image sizes / types etc.). Has anyone tried this? If yes, is it
> practical maintaining such a multiplicity of xsls? Presumably it's
> better to have multiple xsls than to have one big xsl per doctype that
> has lots of choose / when / otherwise based on various request
> variables. (In practice what we've got now is a series of css files
> e.g., core.css, menu.css, tabs.css (and IE specific versions where
> necessary) etc. that get @imported in as needed) as well as imported
> xsl templates (e.g., tabs.xsl, menu.xsl etc.) that adapt to e.g.,
> different browsers as needed. For now this works well and is managable
> but I've no doubt we'll continue to re-factor things as we go).
>
> Regards,
>
> James
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Martin Heiden wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:43:04 +0200
>> From: Martin Heiden <ma...@devk.de>
>> Reply-To: user@lenya.apache.org, Martin Heiden <ma...@devk.de>
>> To: "drseuk@sdf-eu.org" <us...@lenya.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Using the browser selectors in webapp/sitemap.xmap
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I wouldn't do it that way because browser sniffing isn't reliable.
>> You should use IEs conditional comments instead:
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp
>>
>>
>> But to answer your question: the request-header variables are
>> documented in the HTTP-RFC. For the User-Agent:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.43
>>
>> A list of user agent strings:
>>
>> http://www.pgts.com.au/pgtsj/pgtsj0208c.html
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2006 um 17:58 schrieben Sie:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>
>>> Given IE7's super-dooper standard CSS rendering, I'm trying to serve
>>> alternative CSS links to MSIE browsers.
>>
>>> I've noticed the:
>>
>>> <map:selectors default="browser">
>>
>>> <map:selector name="browser" logger="sitemap.selector.browser"
>>> src="org.apache.cocoon.selection.BrowserSelector">
>>> ...
>>> <browser name="explorer" useragent="MSIE"/>
>>> ...
>>
>>> bit in webapp/sitemap.xmap. How would we actually use this within
>>> our .xsl
>>> files to select CSS links based on e.g., the useragent?
>>
>>> For now, we've added:
>>
>>> <map:parameter name="browser" value="{request-header:user-agent}"/>
>>
>>> (a lucky guess that seems to work!) to our publication-sitemap.xmap
>>
>>> and pick it up with a:
>>
>>> <xsl:param name="browser"/>
>>
>>> and e.g.,
>>
>>> <xsl:value-of select="$browser" />
>>
>>> What is the best way to do this and are the request-header: variables
>>> etc. documented anywhere?
>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>>> James
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> drseuk@sdf-eu.org
>>> SDF-EU Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf-eu.org
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Re: Using the browser selectors in webapp/sitemap.xmap
Posted by dr...@sdf-eu.org.
Hi Martin,
Many thanks for the links!
We looked at using IE conditional comments, but decided against them
because using the "not IE" style comments invalidates our XHTML (and
also, the way we've got Lenya set up, Lenya, rightly, complains). Plus
We're not prepared to accommodate Microsoft's inability or unwillingness to make
a standards-compliant browser. Currently our (fully standards-compliant
pages) render perfectly in Opera, FF, Safari, Lynx, PalmOS etc. but
look worse in IEn - IE7 than if stylesheets are switched off altogether.
Without Lenya (or a similar less superior system), we'd be back to the old
days of plain pages or ugly hacks (thanks guys!).
Whilst browser sniffing has the side-effect of allowing us completely to
isolate the CSS we chuck at IE, the main reason we're using it is to spot Lynx and
PalmOS for now (we'll probably add MSPIE at some point).
For now we're only switching CSS based on the user agent. It might be
useful to switch more (e.g., have page2xhtml-page-palmos.xsl, switch image
sizes / types etc.). Has anyone tried this? If yes, is it practical maintaining such a
multiplicity of xsls? Presumably it's better to have multiple xsls than to
have one big xsl per doctype that has lots of choose / when / otherwise
based on various request variables. (In practice what we've got now is a
series of css files e.g., core.css, menu.css, tabs.css (and IE specific
versions where necessary) etc. that get @imported in as needed) as well as
imported xsl templates (e.g., tabs.xsl, menu.xsl etc.) that adapt to e.g.,
different browsers as needed. For now this works well and is managable but
I've no doubt we'll continue to re-factor things as we go).
Regards,
James
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Martin Heiden wrote:
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:43:04 +0200
> From: Martin Heiden <ma...@devk.de>
> Reply-To: user@lenya.apache.org, Martin Heiden <ma...@devk.de>
> To: "drseuk@sdf-eu.org" <us...@lenya.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Using the browser selectors in webapp/sitemap.xmap
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I wouldn't do it that way because browser sniffing isn't reliable.
> You should use IEs conditional comments instead:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp
>
> But to answer your question: the request-header variables are
> documented in the HTTP-RFC. For the User-Agent:
>
> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.43
>
> A list of user agent strings:
>
> http://www.pgts.com.au/pgtsj/pgtsj0208c.html
>
>
> regards
>
> Martin
>
> am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2006 um 17:58 schrieben Sie:
>
>> Hi,
>
>> Given IE7's super-dooper standard CSS rendering, I'm trying to serve
>> alternative CSS links to MSIE browsers.
>
>> I've noticed the:
>
>> <map:selectors default="browser">
>
>> <map:selector name="browser" logger="sitemap.selector.browser"
>> src="org.apache.cocoon.selection.BrowserSelector">
>> ...
>> <browser name="explorer" useragent="MSIE"/>
>> ...
>
>> bit in webapp/sitemap.xmap. How would we actually use this within our .xsl
>> files to select CSS links based on e.g., the useragent?
>
>> For now, we've added:
>
>> <map:parameter name="browser" value="{request-header:user-agent}"/>
>
>> (a lucky guess that seems to work!) to our publication-sitemap.xmap
>
>> and pick it up with a:
>
>> <xsl:param name="browser"/>
>
>> and e.g.,
>
>> <xsl:value-of select="$browser" />
>
>> What is the best way to do this and are the request-header: variables
>> etc. documented anywhere?
>
>> Regards,
>
>> James
>
>> --
>
>> drseuk@sdf-eu.org
>> SDF-EU Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf-eu.org
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>
>
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Re: Using the browser selectors in webapp/sitemap.xmap
Posted by Martin Heiden <ma...@devk.de>.
Hi!
I wouldn't do it that way because browser sniffing isn't reliable.
You should use IEs conditional comments instead:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp
But to answer your question: the request-header variables are
documented in the HTTP-RFC. For the User-Agent:
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.43
A list of user agent strings:
http://www.pgts.com.au/pgtsj/pgtsj0208c.html
regards
Martin
am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2006 um 17:58 schrieben Sie:
> Hi,
> Given IE7's super-dooper standard CSS rendering, I'm trying to serve
> alternative CSS links to MSIE browsers.
> I've noticed the:
> <map:selectors default="browser">
> <map:selector name="browser" logger="sitemap.selector.browser"
> src="org.apache.cocoon.selection.BrowserSelector">
> ...
> <browser name="explorer" useragent="MSIE"/>
> ...
> bit in webapp/sitemap.xmap. How would we actually use this within our .xsl
> files to select CSS links based on e.g., the useragent?
> For now, we've added:
> <map:parameter name="browser" value="{request-header:user-agent}"/>
> (a lucky guess that seems to work!) to our publication-sitemap.xmap
> and pick it up with a:
> <xsl:param name="browser"/>
> and e.g.,
> <xsl:value-of select="$browser" />
> What is the best way to do this and are the request-header: variables
> etc. documented anywhere?
> Regards,
> James
> --
> drseuk@sdf-eu.org
> SDF-EU Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf-eu.org
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