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[Issue 124615] New: Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124615

          Issue ID: 124615
        Issue Type: DEFECT
           Summary: Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll
                    out of sight and back
           Product: Calc
           Version: OOo 3.3 or older
          Hardware: All
                OS: Windows 7
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: trivial
          Priority: P5
         Component: viewing
          Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org
          Reporter: rainerbielefeld_ooo_qa@bielefeldundbuss.de

This one is a spin off from "Issue 43818 - Validity/Input Help Does NOT Work
With Merged Cells "

Steps how to reproduce Reproducible with server installation of "AOO 4.1.0-dev
– English UI / German locale - [AOO410m14(Build:9760)  -  Rev.
1583418_2014-04-02]" on German WIN7 Home Premium (64bit)", own separate user
profile:

0. Open Attachment 83108 for Issue 123290
1. Double click C8
   > Validity input help appears
2. With vertical scroll slider scroll down until help has vanished from visible
   area of sheet
3. scroll up again until end
   > C8 visible again
   Bug: Validity input help has disappeared.

Very old problem, already in 1.1.5

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[Issue 124615] Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124615

Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |UNCONFIRMED
         Resolution|NOT_AN_ISSUE                |---

--- Comment #5 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
I am not happy with the current Validity Help, my opinion is that it is too
persisting and covers cells in the neighborhood even if it no Help is required.
So it might be inexpedient to start a fix here before we have a complete
overview how an optimal Validity help should work. I have an Enhancement
Request in my to-do list.

But such a decision should base an knowledge and careful weighing, not on     
unknowingness and wrong comparison

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[Issue 124615] Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124615

--- Comment #4 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
Created attachment 83233
  --> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=83233&action=edit
Sample Document

Reasoning in Comment 1 is wrong. A Tooltip is a mousover effect what disappears
"by definition" if the cell with comment becomes moved out of visible area. But
Validity input help visibility is related to cell cursor position.

Assumption of users' intentions and needs in Comment 3 seems a stretch to me.
If user scrolls to cell AF100, does that mean that he is not interested in
contents of A1, so that there is no need to show contents of A1 again when he
has scrolled back?

Attachment shows a real life situation where it is unexpected that Validity
help disappears

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[Issue 124615] Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

Posted by bu...@apache.org.
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--- Comment #3 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
Input help is an aid for the user for filling the specific validity cell.
User scrolled from cell -> user doesn't want to fill the cell, why still
display input help?
If comments are supposed to be always on - why option "show comment" ?

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[Issue 124615] Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

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https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124615

Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |RESOLVED
                 CC|                            |elish@apache.org
         Resolution|---                         |NOT_AN_ISSUE

--- Comment #1 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
A tool tip is not supposed to be sticky.
Behavior is consistent with comment appearance.

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[Issue 124615] Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124615

Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |rainerbielefeld_ooo_qa@biel
                   |                            |efeldundbuss.de

--- Comment #2 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #1)
> A tool tip is not supposed to be sticky.
> Behavior is consistent with comment appearance.

You are wrong.

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[Issue 124615] Validity Input Help will have vanished after scroll out of sight and back

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Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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           Keywords|                            |needhelp

--- Comment #6 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
There are workarounds to the given example.
The detailed explication can be incorporated into validity input help.
The detailed explication can be located in frozen cells not affected by
scrolling.

A valid bug can be issued against:
a. previous versions behavior
b. specification defining a different behavior
c. help describing a different behavior
d. other spreadsheet programs with different behavior

A valid bug report can not be issued based on subjective expectation.
For me the validity input help is a nuisance the moment I finished reading it.
Keywords=needhelp for more thoughts

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