Fwd: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first initiated a
[discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.

Ate
(Streams mentor)

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Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>

As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally vote on
retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.

The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html

[ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
[ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
[ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add justification]

Ate



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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for chiming in, and not a bit too late :-)
I think it would be great if the ActivityStreams 2.0 group and Apache Streams
can work together and with the help of the W3C group might help 'reset' the
project and move forwards again.

I am really happy to cancel the vote for retirement in light of this
potential new effort.
I will do so shortly (on the dev@streams.incubator.apache.org list).

And I invite you, and others interested from the W3C group to join the dev list
as well to make contact and further discuss possible next steps.
"pointing all W3C arrows this direction" already is a great way to start :-)

Kind regards, Ate

On 2016-09-23 17:45, Benjamin Young wrote:
> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face
> meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>
>
>
> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the
> AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to get
> back on its feet.
>
>
>
> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this
> week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation
> on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities,
> and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the
> chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams
> (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this direction.
>
>
>
> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social
> Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> *From: *apache <ma...@apache.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
> *To: *Ate Douma <ma...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> *Cc: *general@incubator.apache.org <ma...@incubator.apache.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
>> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
>> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
>> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
>> but disappeared in 2016.
>>
>> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
>> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
>> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
>> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers
> involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is
> where it happens.
>
>> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
> release for Apache Stream.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
>>
>> Steve Blackmon
>> sblackmon@apache.org
>>
>> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>>> >
>>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>>> > Streams project.
>>>
>>> Good to hear that!
>>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>>
>>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>>
>>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>>
>>> Regards, Ate
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Ate,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Right.
>>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>>> >>> the retirement entails.
>>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>>> >> with the
>>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ate
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> John
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>>> >>>>> initiated a
>>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ate
>>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>>> >>>>> vote on
>>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>>> >>>>> justification]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ate
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org>]

Thanks, will follow up on general@

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:

> On 2016-09-23 17:50, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>
>> I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
>> dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in
>> 4
>> other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
>> help
>> steer this to TLP.
>>
>
> That is a great offer Suneel and I'd welcome you to become mentor of Apache
> Streams.
>
> Not sure about the proper process for this, but I think all this requires
> is
> that you say so (or at least request) on general@ and we then can add you
> to the project status page [1]
>
> Ate
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/streams.html
>
>
>> Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week
>> btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ
>>
>
> Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.
> @Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com
>> <ma...@bigbluehat.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
>> face-to-face
>>     meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams
>> 2.0:
>>
>>     https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>>     <https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/>
>>
>>
>>
>>     The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing
>> to ship
>>     the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
>>     community to get back on its feet.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done
>> more
>>     this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
>>     presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice
>> versa.
>>
>>
>>
>>     There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
>>     activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a
>> major
>>     moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>>
>>
>>
>>     To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
>>     Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C
>> arrows
>>     this direction.
>>
>>
>>
>>     So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with
>> the
>>     Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Thanks!
>>
>>     Benjamin
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     http://bigbluehat.com/
>>     http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung <http://linkedin.com/in/benjam
>> inyoung>
>>
>>
>>
>>     From: apache<mailto:sblackmon@apache.org <mailto:sblackmon@apache.org
>> >>
>>     Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
>>     To: Ate Douma<mailto:ate@douma.nu <ma...@douma.nu>>;
>>     dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org><mailto:dev@streams
>> .incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>>     Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org><mailto:general@incubat
>> or.apache.org
>>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>
>>
>>
>>     On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>>
>>     <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>>     On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>>     > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
>> social web
>>     > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has
>> taught me a
>>     > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but
>> as Ate
>>     > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy
>> and
>>     has all
>>     > but disappeared in 2016.
>>     >
>>     > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to
>> volunteer as a
>>     > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active
>> participants I can
>>     > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative,
>> it should be
>>     > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>>     >
>>     Hi Steve,
>>
>>     Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally
>> decided, as
>>     there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it
>> does look
>>     like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>>
>>     You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and
>> with the
>>     openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
>>     That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
>>     disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>>
>>
>>     Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the
>> committers
>>     involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>>
>>     I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing
>> to and
>>     joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine
>> Apache
>>     committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy,
>> but also
>>     as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>>
>>
>>     Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do
>> and
>>     ASF is where it happens.
>>
>>     > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later
>> today.
>>
>>     I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend,
>> which if OK
>>     and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final
>> incubating
>>     release for Apache Stream.
>>     Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>     I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
>>     dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.
>> apache.org>
>>
>>     Kind regards, Ate
>>
>>     >
>>     > Steve Blackmon
>>     > sblackmon@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
>>     >
>>     > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>>     <ma...@douma.nu>
>>     > <mailto:ate@douma.nu <ma...@douma.nu>>) wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>>     >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's
>> talk last week
>>     >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>>     >> >
>>     >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly
>> about the
>>     >> > Streams project.
>>     >>
>>     >> Good to hear that!
>>     >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>     >>
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving
>> the
>>     >> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>     >>
>>     >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active
>> community
>>     >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>>     >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem
>> for the
>>     >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>>     >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and
>> rally some
>>     >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to
>>     postpone/cancel
>>     >> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>     >>
>>     >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>, let us know
>>     >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works
>> out.
>>     >>
>>     >> Regards, Ate
>>     >>
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu
>>     <ma...@douma.nu>> wrote:
>>     >> >
>>     >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>> Ate,
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's
>> retirement guide.
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>     <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html>
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Right.
>>     >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and
>> overlooked this
>>     >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>     >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be
>> taken
>>     down,
>>     >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on
>> dev@streams
>>     >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again,
>> this
>>     >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>     >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper
>> notice what
>>     >> >>> the retirement entails.
>>     >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush
>> either)
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I
>> think I
>>     it is
>>     >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on
>> dev@streams
>>     >> >> with the
>>     >> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here
>> on general@
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Ate
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>> John
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu
>>     <ma...@douma.nu>> wrote:
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after
>> I first
>>     >> >>>>> initiated a
>>     >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in
>> zero feedback.
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> Ate
>>     >> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>     >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>     >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu <ma...@douma.nu>>
>>     >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org> <
>> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets
>> formally
>>     >> >>>>> vote on
>>     >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/proces
>> s.html
>>     <http://attic.apache.org/process.html>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>     >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>     >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please
>> add
>>     >> >>>>> justification]
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> Ate
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------
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>> apache.org
>>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>>     >> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>> general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>
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>>     >>
>>     >>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>

Re: Link Forward

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

Hi Steve,


On 2016-09-25 22:06, apache wrote:
> Ate,
>
> I’m working on a post for http://blogs.apache.org/streams/ which will link to
> the talk video, presentation, with the highlights as text.
>
> The presentation itself is available
> http://sblackmon-apache-org.herokuapp.com/flinkforward2016.html - it looks
> terrific in safari but broken in chrome, still trying to figure out why and how
> to fix.

I just watched the video on youtube, which looked fine.
But indeed the presentation itself is broken in chrome.

I liked the video, good talk, and a cool example what you can do with, among
things, Streams.
But from a technical POV I think it was mostly about big data usage/mapping
/filtering/transforming in general and your app in particular.
It would have been even cooler if in the presentation the where and how Apache
Streams is used had been more obvious :-)

>
> I also have a new module for streams-examples demonstrating embedding of twitter
> collectors within flink up in the ‘flink’ branch of streams-examples.  I’ll PR
> that to master after the 0.3-incubating release.
>
> Steve
>
> On September 23, 2016 at 11:38:50 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>>
>> >
>> > Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week
>> > btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ
>>
>> Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.
>> @Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?
>>

Link Forward

[apache <sb...@apache.org>]

Ate,

I’m working on a post for http://blogs.apache.org/streams/ which will link to the talk video, presentation, with the highlights as text.

The presentation itself is available http://sblackmon-apache-org.herokuapp.com/flinkforward2016.html - it looks terrific in safari but broken in chrome, still trying to figure out why and how to fix.

I also have a new module for streams-examples demonstrating embedding of twitter collectors within flink up in the ‘flink’ branch of streams-examples.  I’ll PR that to master after the 0.3-incubating release.

Steve
On September 23, 2016 at 11:38:50 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:


>  
> Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week  
> btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ  

Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.  
@Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?  

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-23 17:50, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
> dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4
> other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and help
> steer this to TLP.

That is a great offer Suneel and I'd welcome you to become mentor of Apache
Streams.

Not sure about the proper process for this, but I think all this requires is
that you say so (or at least request) on general@ and we then can add you
to the project status page [1]

Ate

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/streams.html

>
> Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week
> btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ

Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.
@Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?

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>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com
> <ma...@bigbluehat.com>> wrote:
>
>     I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face
>     meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
>     https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>     <https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/>
>
>
>
>     The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship
>     the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
>     community to get back on its feet.
>
>
>
>     Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
>     this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
>     presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
>     There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
>     activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
>     moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
>     To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
>     Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
>     this direction.
>
>
>
>     So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
>     Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Benjamin
>
>
>
>     --
>     http://bigbluehat.com/
>     http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung <http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung>
>
>
>
>     From: apache<mailto:sblackmon@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
>     Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
>     To: Ate Douma<mailto:ate@douma.nu <ma...@douma.nu>>;
>     dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org><mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>     Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org><mailto:general@incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org>>
>     Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
>     On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>     <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>     On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>     > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
>     > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
>     > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
>     > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and
>     has all
>     > but disappeared in 2016.
>     >
>     > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
>     > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
>     > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
>     > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>     >
>     Hi Steve,
>
>     Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
>     there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
>     like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
>     You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
>     openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
>     That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
>     disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
>     Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers
>     involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
>     I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
>     joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
>     committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
>     as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
>     Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and
>     ASF is where it happens.
>
>     > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
>     I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
>     and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
>     release for Apache Stream.
>     Thanks.
>
>
>
>     I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
>     dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>
>     Kind regards, Ate
>
>     >
>     > Steve Blackmon
>     > sblackmon@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
>     >
>     > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>     <ma...@douma.nu>
>     > <mailto:ate@douma.nu <ma...@douma.nu>>) wrote:
>     >
>     >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>     >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>     >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>     >> >
>     >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>     >> > Streams project.
>     >>
>     >> Good to hear that!
>     >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>     >>
>     >> >
>     >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>     >> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>     >>
>     >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>     >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>     >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>     >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>     >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>     >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to
>     postpone/cancel
>     >> the retirement VOTE for now.
>     >>
>     >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>, let us know
>     >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>     >>
>     >> Regards, Ate
>     >>
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu
>     <ma...@douma.nu>> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>     >> >>
>     >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>> Ate,
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>     <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html>
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Right.
>     >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>     >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>     >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken
>     down,
>     >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>     >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>     >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>     >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>     >> >>> the retirement entails.
>     >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>
>     >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I
>     it is
>     >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>     >> >> with the
>     >> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Ate
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>> John
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu
>     <ma...@douma.nu>> wrote:
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>     >> >>>>> initiated a
>     >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> Ate
>     >> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>     >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>     >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu <ma...@douma.nu>>
>     >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org> <dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>     <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>     >> >>>>> vote on
>     >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>     <http://attic.apache.org/process.html>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>     >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>     >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>     >> >>>>> justification]
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> Ate
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org>
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>     <ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
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>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >
>     >>
>     >>
>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org>]

I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4
other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
help steer this to TLP.

Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ







On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <by...@bigbluehat.com>
wrote:

> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
> face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of
> ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>
>
>
> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to
> ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
> community to get back on its feet.
>
>
>
> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
> this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
> presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
> activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
> moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
> Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
> this direction.
>
>
>
> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
> Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> From: apache<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
> To: Ate Douma<ma...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
> social web
> > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught
> me a
> > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as
> Ate
> > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and
> has all
> > but disappeared in 2016.
> >
> > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer
> as a
> > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants
> I can
> > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it
> should be
> > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
> >
> Hi Steve,
>
> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does
> look
> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the
> committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine
> Apache
> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but
> also
> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and
> ASF is where it happens.
>
> > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which
> if OK
> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
> release for Apache Stream.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
> >
> > Steve Blackmon
> > sblackmon@apache.org
> >
> > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> > <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk
> last week
> >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
> >> >
> >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about
> the
> >> > Streams project.
> >>
> >> Good to hear that!
> >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
> >> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
> >>
> >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
> >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
> >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
> >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
> >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and
> rally some
> >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to
> postpone/cancel
> >> the retirement VOTE for now.
> >>
> >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
> >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
> >>
> >> Regards, Ate
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Ate,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement
> guide.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Right.
> >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked
> this
> >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
> >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be
> taken down,
> >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on
> dev@streams
> >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
> >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
> >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice
> what
> >> >>> the retirement entails.
> >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think
> I it is
> >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
> >> >> with the
> >> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on
> general@
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ate
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> John
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I
> first
> >> >>>>> initiated a
> >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero
> feedback.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ate
> >> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
> >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
> >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
> >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets
> formally
> >> >>>>> vote on
> >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
> >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
> >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
> >> >>>>> justification]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ate
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.
> org
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for chiming in, and not a bit too late :-)
I think it would be great if the ActivityStreams 2.0 group and Apache Streams
can work together and with the help of the W3C group might help 'reset' the
project and move forwards again.

I am really happy to cancel the vote for retirement in light of this
potential new effort.
I will do so shortly (on the dev@streams.incubator.apache.org list).

And I invite you, and others interested from the W3C group to join the dev list
as well to make contact and further discuss possible next steps.
"pointing all W3C arrows this direction" already is a great way to start :-)

Kind regards, Ate

On 2016-09-23 17:45, Benjamin Young wrote:
> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face
> meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>
>
>
> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the
> AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to get
> back on its feet.
>
>
>
> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this
> week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation
> on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities,
> and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the
> chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams
> (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this direction.
>
>
>
> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social
> Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> *From: *apache <ma...@apache.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
> *To: *Ate Douma <ma...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> *Cc: *general@incubator.apache.org <ma...@incubator.apache.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
>> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
>> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
>> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
>> but disappeared in 2016.
>>
>> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
>> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
>> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
>> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers
> involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is
> where it happens.
>
>> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
> release for Apache Stream.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
>>
>> Steve Blackmon
>> sblackmon@apache.org
>>
>> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>>> >
>>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>>> > Streams project.
>>>
>>> Good to hear that!
>>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>>
>>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>>
>>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>>
>>> Regards, Ate
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Ate,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Right.
>>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>>> >>> the retirement entails.
>>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>>> >> with the
>>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ate
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> John
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>>> >>>>> initiated a
>>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ate
>>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>>> >>>>> vote on
>>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>>> >>>>> justification]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ate
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
>



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RE: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Benjamin Young <by...@bigbluehat.com>]

I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/



The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to get back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung



From: apache<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Ate Douma<ma...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org<ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate

>
> Steve Blackmon
> sblackmon@apache.org
>
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>> >
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>> > Streams project.
>>
>> Good to hear that!
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>
>> >
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>
>> Regards, Ate
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Ate,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right.
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>> >>> the retirement entails.
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> >> with the
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>> >>>
>> >>> Ate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>> >>>>> initiated a
>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>> >>>>> vote on
>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>> >>>>> justification]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

RE: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Benjamin Young <by...@bigbluehat.com>]

I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/



The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to get back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung



From: apache<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Ate Douma<ma...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org<ma...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate

>
> Steve Blackmon
> sblackmon@apache.org
>
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>> >
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>> > Streams project.
>>
>> Good to hear that!
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>
>> >
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>
>> Regards, Ate
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Ate,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right.
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>> >>> the retirement entails.
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> >> with the
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>> >>>
>> >>> Ate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>> >>>>> initiated a
>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>> >>>>> vote on
>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>> >>>>> justification]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache <sb...@apache.org>]

On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:  
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web  
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a  
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate  
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all  
> but disappeared in 2016.  
>  
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a  
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can  
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be  
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.  
>  
Hi Steve,  

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as  
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look  
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.  

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the  
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.  
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course  
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.  


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.  

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and  
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache  
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also  
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!  


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today. 

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK 
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating 
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on 
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org 

Kind regards, Ate 

> 
> Steve Blackmon 
> sblackmon@apache.org 
> 
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu 
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote: 
> 
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote: 
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week 
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink. 
>> > 
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the 
>> > Streams project. 
>> 
>> Good to hear that! 
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin. 
>> 
>> > 
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the 
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ? 
>> 
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community 
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now. 
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the 
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable. 
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some 
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel 
>> the retirement VOTE for now. 
>> 
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know 
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out. 
>> 
>> Regards, Ate 
>> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> Ate, 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Right. 
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this 
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement. 
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down, 
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams 
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this 
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page. 
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what 
>> >>> the retirement entails. 
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either) 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is 
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams 
>> >> with the 
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@ 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Ate 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> John 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first 
>> >>>>> initiated a 
>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Ate 
>> >>>>> (Streams mentor) 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic 
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200 
>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> 
>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally 
>> >>>>> vote on 
>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic 
>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority 
>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add 
>> >>>>> justification] 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Ate 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org 
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org 
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> 
>> 

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache <sb...@apache.org>]

On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:  
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web  
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a  
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate  
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all  
> but disappeared in 2016.  
>  
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a  
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can  
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be  
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.  
>  
Hi Steve,  

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as  
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look  
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.  

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the  
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.  
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course  
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.  


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.  

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and  
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache  
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also  
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!  


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today. 

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK 
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating 
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on 
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org 

Kind regards, Ate 

> 
> Steve Blackmon 
> sblackmon@apache.org 
> 
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu 
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote: 
> 
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote: 
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week 
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink. 
>> > 
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the 
>> > Streams project. 
>> 
>> Good to hear that! 
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin. 
>> 
>> > 
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the 
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ? 
>> 
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community 
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now. 
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the 
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable. 
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some 
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel 
>> the retirement VOTE for now. 
>> 
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know 
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out. 
>> 
>> Regards, Ate 
>> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> Ate, 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Right. 
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this 
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement. 
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down, 
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams 
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this 
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page. 
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what 
>> >>> the retirement entails. 
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either) 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is 
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams 
>> >> with the 
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@ 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Ate 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> John 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first 
>> >>>>> initiated a 
>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Ate 
>> >>>>> (Streams mentor) 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic 
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200 
>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> 
>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally 
>> >>>>> vote on 
>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic 
>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority 
>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add 
>> >>>>> justification] 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Ate 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org 
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org 
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> 
>> 

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
> data interoperability.  Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
> mentor or contributor.  With even a few new committed active participants I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP.  Without fresh initiative, it should be
> retired.  Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating 
release for Apache Stream.

I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate

>
> Steve Blackmon
> sblackmon@apache.org
>
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.
>> >
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>> > Streams project.
>>
>> Good to hear that!
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>
>> >
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>
>> Regards, Ate
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Ate,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right.
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>> >>> the retirement entails.
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> >> with the
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>> >>>
>> >>> Ate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>> >>>>> initiated a
>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>> >>>>> vote on
>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>> >>>>> justification]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>



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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
> data interoperability.  Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
> mentor or contributor.  With even a few new committed active participants I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP.  Without fresh initiative, it should be
> retired.  Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating 
release for Apache Stream.

I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate

>
> Steve Blackmon
> sblackmon@apache.org
>
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> <ma...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.
>> >
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>> > Streams project.
>>
>> Good to hear that!
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>
>> >
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>
>> Regards, Ate
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Ate,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right.
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>> >>> the retirement entails.
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> >> with the
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>> >>>
>> >>> Ate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>> >>>>> initiated a
>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>> >>>>> vote on
>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>> >>>>> justification]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ate
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache <sb...@apache.org>]

I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web data interoperability.  Participating in the incubator process has taught me a lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all but disappeared in 2016. 

I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a mentor or contributor.  With even a few new committed active participants I can envision the project graduating to TLP.  Without fresh initiative, it should be retired.  Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.

I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

Steve Blackmon
sblackmon@apache.org
On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:

On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:  
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week  
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.  
>  
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the  
> Streams project.  

Good to hear that!  
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.  

>  
> Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the  
> project some more time before calling the attic ?  

Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community  
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.  
Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the  
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.  
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some  
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel  
the retirement VOTE for now.  

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know  
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.  

Regards, Ate  

>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:  
>  
>> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:  
>>  
>>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:  
>>>  
>>>> Ate,  
>>>>  
>>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.  
>>>>  
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html  
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> Right.  
>>> Thanks for pointing this out John.  
>>>  
>>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this  
>>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.  
>>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,  
>>> instead of flagged as being retired.  
>>>  
>>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams  
>>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this  
>>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.  
>>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what  
>>> the retirement entails.  
>>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)  
>>>  
>>  
>> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is  
>> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams  
>> with the  
>> link to the podling retirement guide.  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@  
>>>  
>>> Ate  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>> John  
>>>>  
>>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:  
>>>>  
>>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first  
>>>>> initiated a  
>>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Ate  
>>>>> (Streams mentor)  
>>>>>  
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------  
>>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic  
>>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200  
>>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>  
>>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally  
>>>>> vote on  
>>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html  
>>>>>  
>>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic  
>>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority  
>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add  
>>>>> justification]  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Ate  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------  
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org  
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>  
>>  
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------  
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org  
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org  
>>  
>>  
>  

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache <sb...@apache.org>]

I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web data interoperability.  Participating in the incubator process has taught me a lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all but disappeared in 2016. 

I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a mentor or contributor.  With even a few new committed active participants I can envision the project graduating to TLP.  Without fresh initiative, it should be retired.  Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.

I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

Steve Blackmon
sblackmon@apache.org
On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:

On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:  
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week  
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.  
>  
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the  
> Streams project.  

Good to hear that!  
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.  

>  
> Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the  
> project some more time before calling the attic ?  

Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community  
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.  
Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the  
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.  
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some  
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel  
the retirement VOTE for now.  

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know  
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.  

Regards, Ate  

>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:  
>  
>> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:  
>>  
>>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:  
>>>  
>>>> Ate,  
>>>>  
>>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.  
>>>>  
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html  
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> Right.  
>>> Thanks for pointing this out John.  
>>>  
>>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this  
>>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.  
>>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,  
>>> instead of flagged as being retired.  
>>>  
>>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams  
>>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this  
>>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.  
>>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what  
>>> the retirement entails.  
>>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)  
>>>  
>>  
>> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is  
>> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams  
>> with the  
>> link to the podling retirement guide.  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@  
>>>  
>>> Ate  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>> John  
>>>>  
>>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:  
>>>>  
>>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first  
>>>>> initiated a  
>>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Ate  
>>>>> (Streams mentor)  
>>>>>  
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------  
>>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic  
>>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200  
>>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>  
>>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally  
>>>>> vote on  
>>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html  
>>>>>  
>>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic  
>>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority  
>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add  
>>>>> justification]  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Ate  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.
>
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
> Streams project.

Good to hear that!
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.

>
> Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
> project some more time before calling the attic ?

Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community 
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some 
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
the retirement VOTE for now.

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.

Regards, Ate

>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ate,
>>>>
>>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right.
>>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>>
>>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>>
>>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>>> the retirement entails.
>>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>>
>>
>> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> with the
>> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>
>>
>>
>>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>>>>> initiated a
>>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ate
>>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>>>>> vote on
>>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>>>>
>>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>>>>> justification]
>>>>>
>>>>> Ate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.
>
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
> Streams project.

Good to hear that!
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.

>
> Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
> project some more time before calling the attic ?

Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community 
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some 
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
the retirement VOTE for now.

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.

Regards, Ate

>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ate,
>>>>
>>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right.
>>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>>
>>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>>
>>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>>> the retirement entails.
>>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>>
>>
>> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> with the
>> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>
>>
>>
>>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>>>>> initiated a
>>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ate
>>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>>>>> vote on
>>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>>>>
>>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>>>>> justification]
>>>>>
>>>>> Ate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org>]

I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.

It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
Streams project.

Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
project some more time before calling the attic ?




On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:

> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>
>>> Ate,
>>>
>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>>
>>
>> Right.
>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>
>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>
>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>> the retirement entails.
>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>
>
> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
> with the
> link to the podling retirement guide.
>
>
>
>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>>
>> Ate
>>
>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>>>> initiated a
>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Ate
>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
>>>> vote on
>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>>>
>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>>>
>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>>>> justification]
>>>>
>>>> Ate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>> Ate,
>>
>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> Right.
> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>
> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
> instead of flagged as being retired.
>
> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
> the retirement entails.
> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)

Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams with the
link to the podling retirement guide.

>
> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>
> Ate
>
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>>> initiated a
>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>>
>>> Ate
>>> (Streams mentor)
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>>
>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally vote on
>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>>
>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>>> justification]
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>]

On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
> Ate,
>
> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html

Right.
Thanks for pointing this out John.

I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
instead of flagged as being retired.

So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
the retirement entails.
(not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)

And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@

Ate

>
> John
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
>> initiated a
>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>>
>> Ate
>> (Streams mentor)
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>
>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally vote on
>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>
>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>
>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
>> justification]
>>
>> Ate
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

["John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>]

Ate,

Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html

John

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:

> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
> initiated a
> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>
> Ate
> (Streams mentor)
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
> From: Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>
> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <de...@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>
> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally vote on
> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>
> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>
> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
> justification]
>
> Ate
>
>
>
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