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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Hi lists,
I'm sorry, but I could not have time to spend for Subversion
just for my personal matters.
I'd like to put a link to faq-ja.html within index.html. As
Jens suggested(thank you very much!), tigirs sever tries to
send us correct 'faq' file, which is based on our browser's
proffered language setting.
Of course, tigris server sends us original English page if
we don't specify any language settings or there is no faq
page which matches our language settings, so there is no any
undesirable effect for other people. Also, the file name of
original English page remains 'faql.html', so there is no
problem if someone try to fetch this page with direct link.
For these reasons, I'd like to change the 'faq' link which
is in index.html to 'faq' from 'faq.html'.
If there is no problem, I'll modify this file or I'm very
happy if you suggest me any idea.
Thank you for your kindness!
--
MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
From: Jens Seidel <je...@users.sf.net>
Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:27:54 +0200
Message-ID: <20...@merkur.sol.de>
| On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 01:20:16PM +0900, MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi wrote:
| > I committed faq.ja.html, which is based on faq.html@32010,
| > into www directory(at r32078). Thank you for all dev-list
| > member's kindly support!
|
| Great!
|
| > And I would ask someone who has permission to modify
| > index.html to add link this file, please?
|
| It seems the tigris.org server supports content negotiation. Just open
| http://subversion.tigris.org/faq in your browser and you should get your
| translation if you selected Japanese as default.
|
| To use this content negotiation all .html suffixes should be removed
| from URLs so that links to faq can be resolved to faq.ja.html.
|
| See again http://www.debian.org/intro/cn for details.
|
| PS: Please avoid top postings.
|
| Jens
|
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG> writes:
> | Done in r32397, and thank you for the help.
> |
> | (Feel free to change it if it should be better, of course.)
>
> Thank you for your kindness. I'm very happy to see 日本語
> links!
Me too!
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>.
From: Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>
Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:09:57 -0400
Message-ID: <87...@red-bean.com>
| Done in r32397, and thank you for the help.
|
| (Feel free to change it if it should be better, of course.)
Thank you for your kindness. I'm very happy to see 日本語
links!
Best Regards,
--
MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG> writes:
> Thank you for good decision and kindness. We, Japanese,
> would like to use the word "日本語" as meaning Japanese.
>
> I'm very happy to see this link!
Done in r32397, and thank you for the help.
(Feel free to change it if it should be better, of course.)
-Karl
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>.
Hi Karl,
From: Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>
Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:54:31 -0400
Message-ID: <87...@red-bean.com>
| Nobuyoshi, is "日文" good text for a link to a Japanese
| version of a document? In other words, I'd like to put
|
| "(日文)"
|
| ...next to the link to the FAQ on the front page, and also put it on the
| FAQ itself; both will link to faq.ja.html. Then on faq.ja.html, I'll
| put a link saying "(English)" to the English version.
|
| Let me know if I've got the right kanji.
Thank you for good decision and kindness. We, Japanese,
would like to use the word "日本語" as meaning Japanese.
I'm very happy to see this link!
Best Regards,
--
MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com> writes:
> Could write up that bug report and send it to feedback@tigris.org? (I
> don't understand the language-selection mechanism well enough to write
> the report properly, I think.)
I meant to write "Could you write up..." (addressing Jens).
-K
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Jens Seidel <je...@users.sf.net> writes:
> Could it be related to JavaScript usage in this file?
No, there is no JavaScript in www/faq.html, beyond what's included via
<script type="text/javascript" src="branding/scripts/tigris.js"></script>
> I thing a proper solution is to analyse the problem, to fix it and
> later revert to using "faq" without ".html". This is probably a
> common problem for all tigris projects so should we open a bug report
> on the site itself or has anyone a idea what is happening?
Could write up that bug report and send it to feedback@tigris.org? (I
don't understand the language-selection mechanism well enough to write
the report properly, I think.)
In the meantime, a good solution is just to add explicit links, which I
will do. Nobuyoshi, is "日文" good text for a link to a Japanese
version of a document? In other words, I'd like to put
"(日文)"
...next to the link to the FAQ on the front page, and also put it on the
FAQ itself; both will link to faq.ja.html. Then on faq.ja.html, I'll
put a link saying "(English)" to the English version.
Let me know if I've got the right kanji.
Thanks,
-Karl
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by Jens Seidel <je...@users.sourceforge.net>.
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 09:22:38AM +0900, MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi wrote:
> Thank you for your comments. And I'm sorry for passing over
> your very important suggestion(and for my late response...).
Indeed, strange thinks happened which I didn't expected and have never
seen.
> I reverted index.html to original one for keeping good
> navigation assistance, as you suggested me.
It's still reproducable be manual selecting either
http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html
or
http://subversion.tigris.org/faq
Good ...
Could it be related to JavaScript usage in this file?
I thing a proper solution is to analyse the problem, to fix it and
later revert to using "faq" without ".html". This is probably a
common problem for all tigris projects so should we open a bug report
on the site itself or has anyone a idea what is happening?
Jens
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>.
Hi Karl,
Thank you for your comments. And I'm sorry for passing over
your very important suggestion(and for my late response...).
I reverted index.html to original one for keeping good
navigation assistance, as you suggested me.
I had two choices to add a link to faq.ja.html. One is to
create two language links of FAQ separately, such as:
FAQ (answers to Frequently Asked Questions): (in
English/in Japanese)
and another is to rely on preferred-language selecting
system of Web server.
The former one is loosing current cool layout, and because
the many people prefer to select 'in English' link, it looks
wordy for me and I selected later one. But loosing
navigation assistance is completely not my intention. Sorry
for your inconvenience.
My only desire is to add a link to Japanese FAQ page near
English one, and other language translators can follow this
scheme. So I'm willing to hear any suggestions about it and
to obey to list's consensus(of course!).
Best Regards,
--
MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
From: Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>
Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:49:46 -0400
Message-ID: <87...@red-bean.com>
| "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG> writes:
| > I updated index.html at r32370. Thank you for good
| > suggestions and kindly support.
|
| Hi, Miyokawa Nobuyoshi. I didn't see this thread until after r32370,
| and when I saw that revision I responded:
|
| > Why is this change desirable?
| >
| > In my browser, going to "faq" displays the faq without any of the
| > usual tigris.org stuff around it, but going to "faq.html" shows the
| > FAQ in its usual tigris.org context. The latter is preferable,
| > because of the navigational assistance the tigris context provides.
| >
| > My browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1)
| > Gecko/2008070206 Firefox/3.0.1 running under Debian GNU/Linux.
| >
| > Also, if we *were* going to change from "faq.html" to "faq" --
| > which I don't think we should, but just assuming we were -- then
| > wouldn't we have a lot of other places to make the same change?
| >
| > I think this change should be reverted now and at least discussed
| > first.
| >
| > Thank you,
| > -Karl
|
| I now have more understanding of why you made the change, but I'm still
| not sure it's a good idea, because of the reasons described above...
|
| Best,
| -Karl
|
|
| > From: "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>
| > Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
| > Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:42:48 +0900 (JST)
| > Message-ID: <20...@Tempus.ORG>
| >
| > | Hi lists,
| > |
| > | I'm sorry, but I could not have time to spend for Subversion
| > | just for my personal matters.
| > |
| > | I'd like to put a link to faq-ja.html within index.html. As
| > | Jens suggested(thank you very much!), tigirs sever tries to
| > | send us correct 'faq' file, which is based on our browser's
| > | proffered language setting.
| > |
| > | Of course, tigris server sends us original English page if
| > | we don't specify any language settings or there is no faq
| > | page which matches our language settings, so there is no any
| > | undesirable effect for other people. Also, the file name of
| > | original English page remains 'faql.html', so there is no
| > | problem if someone try to fetch this page with direct link.
| > |
| > | For these reasons, I'd like to change the 'faq' link which
| > | is in index.html to 'faq' from 'faq.html'.
| > |
| > | If there is no problem, I'll modify this file or I'm very
| > | happy if you suggest me any idea.
| > |
| > | Thank you for your kindness!
| > | --
| > | MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
| > |
| > |
| > | From: Jens Seidel <je...@users.sf.net>
| > | Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
| > | Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:27:54 +0200
| > | Message-ID: <20...@merkur.sol.de>
| > |
| > | | On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 01:20:16PM +0900, MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi wrote:
| > | | > I committed faq.ja.html, which is based on faq.html@32010,
| > | | > into www directory(at r32078). Thank you for all dev-list
| > | | > member's kindly support!
| > | |
| > | | Great!
| > | |
| > | | > And I would ask someone who has permission to modify
| > | | > index.html to add link this file, please?
| > | |
| > | | It seems the tigris.org server supports content negotiation. Just open
| > | | http://subversion.tigris.org/faq in your browser and you should get your
| > | | translation if you selected Japanese as default.
| > | |
| > | | To use this content negotiation all .html suffixes should be removed
| > | | from URLs so that links to faq can be resolved to faq.ja.html.
| > | |
| > | | See again http://www.debian.org/intro/cn for details.
| > | |
| > | | PS: Please avoid top postings.
| > | |
| > | | Jens
|
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG> writes:
> I updated index.html at r32370. Thank you for good
> suggestions and kindly support.
Hi, Miyokawa Nobuyoshi. I didn't see this thread until after r32370,
and when I saw that revision I responded:
> Why is this change desirable?
>
> In my browser, going to "faq" displays the faq without any of the
> usual tigris.org stuff around it, but going to "faq.html" shows the
> FAQ in its usual tigris.org context. The latter is preferable,
> because of the navigational assistance the tigris context provides.
>
> My browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1)
> Gecko/2008070206 Firefox/3.0.1 running under Debian GNU/Linux.
>
> Also, if we *were* going to change from "faq.html" to "faq" --
> which I don't think we should, but just assuming we were -- then
> wouldn't we have a lot of other places to make the same change?
>
> I think this change should be reverted now and at least discussed
> first.
>
> Thank you,
> -Karl
I now have more understanding of why you made the change, but I'm still
not sure it's a good idea, because of the reasons described above...
Best,
-Karl
> From: "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>
> Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:42:48 +0900 (JST)
> Message-ID: <20...@Tempus.ORG>
>
> | Hi lists,
> |
> | I'm sorry, but I could not have time to spend for Subversion
> | just for my personal matters.
> |
> | I'd like to put a link to faq-ja.html within index.html. As
> | Jens suggested(thank you very much!), tigirs sever tries to
> | send us correct 'faq' file, which is based on our browser's
> | proffered language setting.
> |
> | Of course, tigris server sends us original English page if
> | we don't specify any language settings or there is no faq
> | page which matches our language settings, so there is no any
> | undesirable effect for other people. Also, the file name of
> | original English page remains 'faql.html', so there is no
> | problem if someone try to fetch this page with direct link.
> |
> | For these reasons, I'd like to change the 'faq' link which
> | is in index.html to 'faq' from 'faq.html'.
> |
> | If there is no problem, I'll modify this file or I'm very
> | happy if you suggest me any idea.
> |
> | Thank you for your kindness!
> | --
> | MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
> |
> |
> | From: Jens Seidel <je...@users.sf.net>
> | Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
> | Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:27:54 +0200
> | Message-ID: <20...@merkur.sol.de>
> |
> | | On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 01:20:16PM +0900, MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi wrote:
> | | > I committed faq.ja.html, which is based on faq.html@32010,
> | | > into www directory(at r32078). Thank you for all dev-list
> | | > member's kindly support!
> | |
> | | Great!
> | |
> | | > And I would ask someone who has permission to modify
> | | > index.html to add link this file, please?
> | |
> | | It seems the tigris.org server supports content negotiation. Just open
> | | http://subversion.tigris.org/faq in your browser and you should get your
> | | translation if you selected Japanese as default.
> | |
> | | To use this content negotiation all .html suffixes should be removed
> | | from URLs so that links to faq can be resolved to faq.ja.html.
> | |
> | | See again http://www.debian.org/intro/cn for details.
> | |
> | | PS: Please avoid top postings.
> | |
> | | Jens
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Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Posted by "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>.
Hi all,
I updated index.html at r32370. Thank you for good
suggestions and kindly support.
--
MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
From: "MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi" <n-...@Tempus.ORG>
Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:42:48 +0900 (JST)
Message-ID: <20...@Tempus.ORG>
| Hi lists,
|
| I'm sorry, but I could not have time to spend for Subversion
| just for my personal matters.
|
| I'd like to put a link to faq-ja.html within index.html. As
| Jens suggested(thank you very much!), tigirs sever tries to
| send us correct 'faq' file, which is based on our browser's
| proffered language setting.
|
| Of course, tigris server sends us original English page if
| we don't specify any language settings or there is no faq
| page which matches our language settings, so there is no any
| undesirable effect for other people. Also, the file name of
| original English page remains 'faql.html', so there is no
| problem if someone try to fetch this page with direct link.
|
| For these reasons, I'd like to change the 'faq' link which
| is in index.html to 'faq' from 'faq.html'.
|
| If there is no problem, I'll modify this file or I'm very
| happy if you suggest me any idea.
|
| Thank you for your kindness!
| --
| MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi
|
|
| From: Jens Seidel <je...@users.sf.net>
| Subject: Re: translated faq.html into Japanese.
| Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:27:54 +0200
| Message-ID: <20...@merkur.sol.de>
|
| | On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 01:20:16PM +0900, MIYOKAWA, Nobuyoshi wrote:
| | > I committed faq.ja.html, which is based on faq.html@32010,
| | > into www directory(at r32078). Thank you for all dev-list
| | > member's kindly support!
| |
| | Great!
| |
| | > And I would ask someone who has permission to modify
| | > index.html to add link this file, please?
| |
| | It seems the tigris.org server supports content negotiation. Just open
| | http://subversion.tigris.org/faq in your browser and you should get your
| | translation if you selected Japanese as default.
| |
| | To use this content negotiation all .html suffixes should be removed
| | from URLs so that links to faq can be resolved to faq.ja.html.
| |
| | See again http://www.debian.org/intro/cn for details.
| |
| | PS: Please avoid top postings.
| |
| | Jens
| |
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