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Posted to general@db.apache.org by Rodney Waldhoff <rw...@apache.org> on 2003/03/13 03:07:22 UTC
[ann] db-commons open for business
Status:
* the db-commons CVS repository has been created
* a basic site-generating script and xdocs have been added there
* this basic site has been generated and published to
<http://db.apache.org/commons/>
* assuming this mail goes out OK, the commons-user@db and commons-dev@db
mailing lists have also been set up
Future db-commons discussion should probably move to the dev and/or user
lists. (Unless I don't get this message back via those lists, in which
case I'll bring it up again here on general.)
Thanks to Jason and Sam for their infrastructure support.
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by Rodney Waldhoff <rw...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, James Strachan wrote:
> It could be up to a project to decide if the documentation should be CVS
> HEAD or a fixed release or both.
Right, the reactor build is just running "maven site" and publishing it.
(Well, it's doing a bit more than that, but as far as the
subproject/component specific web dirs are concerned, it's whatever
"maven site" generates.) What the subproject/component chooses to do in
response to that goal is as flexible as ever.
>
> Sandbox projects by definition have not got official releases so the cron
> daily build is ideal
>
> James
> -------
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
It could be up to a project to decide if the documentation should be CVS
HEAD or a fixed release or both.
Sandbox projects by definition have not got official releases so the cron
daily build is ideal
James
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com>
To: <ge...@db.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, James Strachan wrote:
>
> > From: "Jason van Zyl" <ja...@zenplex.com>
> > > On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:18, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > > > Cool, I was just getting ready to ask about that.
> > > >
> > > > My hope is to set up the db-commons components under this same
scheme,
> > so
> > > > that the site-generation will propogate all the way down.
> > >
> > > Sure, not a problem. I'll take a crack at making the db.apache.org a
> > > little reusalble toolkit and put it in a plugin. Then you can use it
> > > from there and maybe it can be used for the jakarta-commons site as
> > > well.
> >
> > +1000. Many jakarta commons projects badly need a cron update of their
> > websites.
>
> Just a word of warning. A cron update of a site is often the HEAD-docs,
> while the site itself wants to be the current release documentation. Maven
> [no offense intended jason] had this problem early on, and other projects
> definitely have it. So the cron can be damaging in that it so utterly
> improves the deployment feedback loop, that it highlights what is usually
> a hidden-ish problem, that a site has multiple sites inside it.
>
> Then there's the pain of how to handle a branch, when I release 1.0.1 of
> something, it is usually from the 1.0 branch and not from the HEAD. The
> Jakarta-Taglibs has this pain. I have to deploy the site from HEAD, but
> all the changes went into the branch, so my HEAD documentation currently
> lies about what's in HEAD as it refers to the branch.
>
> I hope my language there isn't too confused :)
>
> Apologies for having problems and not solutions,
>
> Hen
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Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, James Strachan wrote:
> From: "Jason van Zyl" <ja...@zenplex.com>
> > On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:18, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > > Cool, I was just getting ready to ask about that.
> > >
> > > My hope is to set up the db-commons components under this same scheme,
> so
> > > that the site-generation will propogate all the way down.
> >
> > Sure, not a problem. I'll take a crack at making the db.apache.org a
> > little reusalble toolkit and put it in a plugin. Then you can use it
> > from there and maybe it can be used for the jakarta-commons site as
> > well.
>
> +1000. Many jakarta commons projects badly need a cron update of their
> websites.
Just a word of warning. A cron update of a site is often the HEAD-docs,
while the site itself wants to be the current release documentation. Maven
[no offense intended jason] had this problem early on, and other projects
definitely have it. So the cron can be damaging in that it so utterly
improves the deployment feedback loop, that it highlights what is usually
a hidden-ish problem, that a site has multiple sites inside it.
Then there's the pain of how to handle a branch, when I release 1.0.1 of
something, it is usually from the 1.0 branch and not from the HEAD. The
Jakarta-Taglibs has this pain. I have to deploy the site from HEAD, but
all the changes went into the branch, so my HEAD documentation currently
lies about what's in HEAD as it refers to the branch.
I hope my language there isn't too confused :)
Apologies for having problems and not solutions,
Hen
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
From: "Jason van Zyl" <ja...@zenplex.com>
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:18, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > Cool, I was just getting ready to ask about that.
> >
> > My hope is to set up the db-commons components under this same scheme,
so
> > that the site-generation will propogate all the way down.
>
> Sure, not a problem. I'll take a crack at making the db.apache.org a
> little reusalble toolkit and put it in a plugin. Then you can use it
> from there and maybe it can be used for the jakarta-commons site as
> well.
+1000. Many jakarta commons projects badly need a cron update of their
websites.
James
-------
http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
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Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:18, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> Cool, I was just getting ready to ask about that.
>
> My hope is to set up the db-commons components under this same scheme, so
> that the site-generation will propogate all the way down.
Sure, not a problem. I'll take a crack at making the db.apache.org a
little reusalble toolkit and put it in a plugin. Then you can use it
from there and maybe it can be used for the jakarta-commons site as
well.
> It'd be cooler still to cron this, has anyone attempted that?
>
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:07, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > > Status:
> > >
> > > * the db-commons CVS repository has been created
> > >
> > > * a basic site-generating script and xdocs have been added there
> > >
> > > * this basic site has been generated and published to
> > > <http://db.apache.org/commons/>
> > >
> > > * assuming this mail goes out OK, the commons-user@db and commons-dev@db
> > > mailing lists have also been set up
> > >
> > > Future db-commons discussion should probably move to the dev and/or user
> > > lists. (Unless I don't get this message back via those lists, in which
> > > case I'll bring it up again here on general.)
> > >
> > > Thanks to Jason and Sam for their infrastructure support.
> >
> > I've updated the main site. All I did was regenerate the site, the
> > commons project.xml file was picked automatically and all the db-commons
> > info is now present in the main site. No muss, no fuss.
> >
> > --
> > jvz.
> >
> > Jason van Zyl
> > jason@zenplex.com
> > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> >
> > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> >
> > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> >
> >
--
jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org
In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
-- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:18 AM, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> Cool, I was just getting ready to ask about that.
>
> My hope is to set up the db-commons components under this same scheme, so
> that the site-generation will propogate all the way down.
>
> It'd be cooler still to cron this, has anyone attempted that?
(if i understand correctly) i think that this kind of things has been
chewed over before on various infrastructure-related apache lists.
IIRC the consensus from the infrastructure related people was that things
like generating web sites on daedalus is out of the question but that
generation could happen on moof.apache.org (apache's maxOS X box) and then
be rsync'd across (or something like that).
- robert
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by Rodney Waldhoff <rw...@apache.org>.
Cool, I was just getting ready to ask about that.
My hope is to set up the db-commons components under this same scheme, so
that the site-generation will propogate all the way down.
It'd be cooler still to cron this, has anyone attempted that?
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:07, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > Status:
> >
> > * the db-commons CVS repository has been created
> >
> > * a basic site-generating script and xdocs have been added there
> >
> > * this basic site has been generated and published to
> > <http://db.apache.org/commons/>
> >
> > * assuming this mail goes out OK, the commons-user@db and commons-dev@db
> > mailing lists have also been set up
> >
> > Future db-commons discussion should probably move to the dev and/or user
> > lists. (Unless I don't get this message back via those lists, in which
> > case I'll bring it up again here on general.)
> >
> > Thanks to Jason and Sam for their infrastructure support.
>
> I've updated the main site. All I did was regenerate the site, the
> commons project.xml file was picked automatically and all the db-commons
> info is now present in the main site. No muss, no fuss.
>
> --
> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
>
>
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:14, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> I've updated the main site. All I did was regenerate the site, the
> commons project.xml file was picked automatically and all the db-commons
> info is now present in the main site. No muss, no fuss.
I see I will need a little helper bean to sort the committers list and
remove dupes. I'll do that this weekend.
--
jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org
In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
-- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
Re: [ann] db-commons open for business
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:07, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> Status:
>
> * the db-commons CVS repository has been created
>
> * a basic site-generating script and xdocs have been added there
>
> * this basic site has been generated and published to
> <http://db.apache.org/commons/>
>
> * assuming this mail goes out OK, the commons-user@db and commons-dev@db
> mailing lists have also been set up
>
> Future db-commons discussion should probably move to the dev and/or user
> lists. (Unless I don't get this message back via those lists, in which
> case I'll bring it up again here on general.)
>
> Thanks to Jason and Sam for their infrastructure support.
I've updated the main site. All I did was regenerate the site, the
commons project.xml file was picked automatically and all the db-commons
info is now present in the main site. No muss, no fuss.
--
jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org
In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
-- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society