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ideas ...
hello again
i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
on the other hand i can not sit still.
i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
- does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
- does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
- are the menu looking ok
- are the fonts ok
im off/busy but look at the css if needed
./allan
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Philip Mak <pm...@animeglobe.com>.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:22:27AM +0800, allan wrote:
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
No.
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
Yes, but the titlebar only says "Home" rather than something longer so
it's hard to tell.
> - are the menu looking ok
> - are the fonts ok
Yes, and yes.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
allan wrote:
> hello again
>
>
> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>
>
> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
NS4.79/linux
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
no
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
yes
> - are the menu looking ok
no, the boxes are missing. i.e. not sep lines at all. Including all the
boxes, not only menus.
And the spacing between menu items is huge - like the margin is of the
size of the item.
> - are the fonts ok
I've also checked in Opera5/linux, looks good.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Jorge Godoy <go...@conectiva.com>.
Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org> writes:
> allan wrote:
>
>> hello again
>> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
>> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast
>> mis-match.
>> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
>
> konqueror on linux:
> konqueror -v
> Qt: 2.3.2
> KDE: 2.2.1
> Konqueror: 2.2.1
With Galeon 1.0.2 and using Mozilla's 0.9.7 engine...
>> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
>
> Yup, a huge one! While the content fits into one page, there is 1/2
> more empty page to the right.
It fits OK here. I'm using a 800x600 screen.
>> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
>
> yes
It fills the space besides the logo.
>> - are the menu looking ok
>
> yes
Why the item 'Documentation' has a gray background? All the others are
white.
>> - are the fonts ok
>
> yes
Very nice to read.
See you,
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
> I've checked with linux, looks good
oops, s/linux/lynx/ :)
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
allan wrote:
> hello again
>
>
> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>
>
> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
konqueror on linux:
konqueror -v
Qt: 2.3.2
KDE: 2.2.1
Konqueror: 2.2.1
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
Yup, a huge one! While the content fits into one page, there is 1/2 more
empty page to the right.
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
yes
> - are the menu looking ok
yes
> - are the fonts ok
yes
I've checked with linux, looks good
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Thomas Eibner <th...@stderr.net>.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:22:27AM +0800, allan wrote:
> hello again
>
>
> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>
>
> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
> - are the menu looking ok
> - are the fonts ok
no
100% - 1 pixel on each side (when you compare with the content right
underneath it)
yes
yes
I like this layout :-)
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RE: ideas ...
Posted by "Jonathan M. Hollin" <ne...@digital-word.com>.
:: i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast
:: mis-match.
::
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
- does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
- does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
- are the menu looking ok
- are the fonts ok
Platform: Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows 2000
No scrollbar, 100% top-bar, great menu, great fonts. This one looks
just right!
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Bill Moseley wrote:
> At 12:56 PM 01/20/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>
>>>http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>>>
>
>>i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
>>
>>it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
>>
>>- no horizontal scrollbar
>>- 100% topbar
>>- ok menu
>>- ok fonts
>>
>>if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
>>but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
>>happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.
>>
>
> My 4.08 shows it correctly for just a instant and then changes into that
> image above without resizing. Maybe it's something with my config. Most
> sites with style limited style sheets works. Of course the styles that
> don't work with 4.08, don't work. MySQL site works fine, but I guess
> that's using tables.
>
> Was it decided that the site should or should not have to work in 4.08?
we try to hit the widest range, so if can, yes. how widespread is this
version? 4.79 is out.
>>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>>stas, thomas?
>>
>
> mozilla 0.9.7 seems to work ok on Windows. Is the menu suppose to be a box
> inside a box?
I think it's better if it is not.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> At 12:56 PM 01/20/02 +0800, allan wrote:
> >> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
> >i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
> >
> >it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
> >
> >- no horizontal scrollbar
> >- 100% topbar
> >- ok menu
> >- ok fonts
> >
> >if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
> >but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
> >happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.
>
> My 4.08 shows it correctly for just a instant and then changes into that
> image above without resizing. Maybe it's something with my config.
hmm,
<wild stab in the dark>
could you possibly download the html file and the stylesheet
and see if it works locally? maybe reduce the html/css until
it shows relatively ok
</wild stab in the dark>
> Was it decided that the site should or should not have to work in 4.08?
dont think so but i would prefer it works in any ns4+
./allan
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
At 12:56 PM 01/20/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
>
>it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
>
>- no horizontal scrollbar
>- 100% topbar
>- ok menu
>- ok fonts
>
>if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
>but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
>happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.
My 4.08 shows it correctly for just a instant and then changes into that
image above without resizing. Maybe it's something with my config. Most
sites with style limited style sheets works. Of course the styles that
don't work with 4.08, don't work. MySQL site works fine, but I guess
that's using tables.
Was it decided that the site should or should not have to work in 4.08?
>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>stas, thomas?
mozilla 0.9.7 seems to work ok on Windows. Is the menu suppose to be a box
inside a box?
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
>>well, nothing has changed wrt NS4-79 and konqueror
>
> do you know if or can you try to see if box-borders for
> <div>-tags are possible at all for ns4.79/linux - this is so
> surprising (and annoying) if not possible.
Sorry, I don't know :(
> wrt konqueror (horizontal-scrollbar), i simply dont know
> this browser at all but i reckon it must have some sort of
> css-support, right?
It does, but it seems to be broken. That's the KDE project's browser.
> could you possibly try a little with the ugly (and wrapped)
> html below?
I've tried, I couldn't do anything about NS's problem. With konqueror,
the moment you add some more content that has wrap the horizontal line
shows up.
>>>>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
>>>>the right side of the menu.
>>>>
>
> if i understand you right we could skip the border around
> the menu-box (like on
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html),
> no-one will notice this i guess.
I was saying that the left margin in the menu box is narrower than the
right one. but sure you proposal is just fine.
> div.leftcont {position:absolute;top:5px;left:5px;width:160px;}
> div.menu {border:1px;padding:5px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000066;background-color:#ffffff;width:160px;}
> div.notactivenav
> {background-color:#ffffff;padding:2px;font-weight:bold;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000000;margin-top:-1px;width:150px;}
> div.cbox
> {position:absolute;top:5px;left:195px;padding:0px;margin-right:10px;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:green}
All these 160px and similar should be replaced with % I believe. If I
have a very narrow screen, I don't want the menu to take it up. Well you
know what I mean :) Or is there a way to tell, use at most %15 or
something like that?
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
hi stas
Stas Bekman wrote:
> well, nothing has changed wrt NS4-79 and konqueror
do you know if or can you try to see if box-borders for
<div>-tags are possible at all for ns4.79/linux - this is so
surprising (and annoying) if not possible.
wrt konqueror (horizontal-scrollbar), i simply dont know
this browser at all but i reckon it must have some sort of
css-support, right?
could you possibly try a little with the ugly (and wrapped)
html below?
> >>-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
> >>not usable.
to sum up further this idea of table-less idea:
[
current url:
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html
focusing on the following:
- does it have a horizontal scrollbar?
- does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
- are the menu looking ok
- are the fonts ok
* linux *
mozilla 0.9.7 +1
NS 4.79 -0
opera5 +1
konqueror -0
lynx +1
links +1
* mac 9 *
ns4.79 +1 (well, +0.5)
ie 5.0 +1
opera 5.0 +1
icab -0
ns 6.2 +1
*mac osX*
ie 5.0 +1
*win98*
ns 4.08 +1 (bill disagrees on this)
ie 5.0 +1
*win2k*
ie 6 +1
]
> >>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
> >>the right side of the menu.
if i understand you right we could skip the border around
the menu-box (like on
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html),
no-one will notice this i guess.
./allan
html follows
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
div.home {
background-color:#525D76;padding:2px;font-weight:bold;font-size:25px;border:1px;border-style:solid;color:#ffffff;border-color:red;margin-right:0px;font-family:helvetica,
verdana, sans-serif;}
div.leftcont {position:absolute;top:5px;left:5px;width:160px;}
div.menu {border:1px;padding:5px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000066;background-color:#ffffff;width:160px;}
div.notactivenav
{background-color:#ffffff;padding:2px;font-weight:bold;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000000;margin-top:-1px;width:150px;}
div.cbox
{position:absolute;top:5px;left:195px;padding:0px;margin-right:10px;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:green}
</style>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div class='leftcont'>
<div class='menu'>
<div class='notactivenav'><a href="./about/about.html">About</a></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class='cbox'>
<div class='home'>Home</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
allan wrote:
> also found a ns6 bug (when little content)
>
> fixed, i hope, with a space.gif (visible currently)
>
> please retry (maybe it also fixed/broke some other stuff:)..
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html
well, nothing has changed wrt NS4-79 and konqueror
> Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>>>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>>>stas, thomas?
>>>
>>I did already. Here is the summary:
>>
>>mozilla 0.9.7 +1
>>NS 4.79 -0
>>opera5 +1
>>konqueror -0
>>lynx +1
>>links +1
>>
>>Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
>>the same.
>>
>>-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
>>not usable.
>>
>>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
>>the right side of the menu.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
also found a ns6 bug (when little content)
fixed, i hope, with a space.gif (visible currently)
please retry (maybe it also fixed/broke some other stuff:)..
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html
./allan
Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> > i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
> > other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
> > stas, thomas?
>
> I did already. Here is the summary:
>
> mozilla 0.9.7 +1
> NS 4.79 -0
> opera5 +1
> konqueror -0
> lynx +1
> links +1
>
> Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
> the same.
>
> -0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
> not usable.
>
> BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
> the right side of the menu.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Bill Moseley wrote:
> At 02:51 PM 01/20/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>http://www.apache.org/~stas/snaps/snap-ns4-79.gif
>>
>
> Hey, I kind of like that simple menu without the lines.
every bug can be counted as a feature at times :)
Could be that it's better, but the vertical spacing is too big. But I'm
almost sure that if we make the other pages look like this NS will show
it differently again :) or :(
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
At 02:51 PM 01/20/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
>http://www.apache.org/~stas/snaps/snap-ns4-79.gif
Hey, I kind of like that simple menu without the lines.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
allan wrote:
> thanks for this ...
>
> Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>>>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>>>stas, thomas?
>>>
>>I did already. Here is the summary:
>>
>>mozilla 0.9.7 +1
>>NS 4.79 -0
>>opera5 +1
>>konqueror -0
>>lynx +1
>>links +1
>>
>>Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
>>the same.
>>
>>-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
>>not usable.
>>
>>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
>>the right side of the menu.
>>
>
>
> can you possibly upload screenshots to look at?
http://www.apache.org/~stas/snaps/snap-ns4-79.gif
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
thanks for this ...
Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> > i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
> > other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
> > stas, thomas?
>
> I did already. Here is the summary:
>
> mozilla 0.9.7 +1
> NS 4.79 -0
> opera5 +1
> konqueror -0
> lynx +1
> links +1
>
> Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
> the same.
>
> -0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
> not usable.
>
> BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
> the right side of the menu.
can you possibly upload screenshots to look at?
./allan
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
> i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
> other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
> stas, thomas?
I did already. Here is the summary:
mozilla 0.9.7 +1
NS 4.79 -0
opera5 +1
konqueror -0
lynx +1
links +1
Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
the same.
-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
not usable.
BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
the right side of the menu.
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
> - are the menu looking ok
> - are the fonts ok
Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> At 12:47 PM 1/19/2002 +0800, allan wrote:
> >> Here's a netscape image:
> >>
> >> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
> >
> >hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?
> >
> >which netscape, which os?
>
> Oh sorry. That's 4.08 (4.07?) on Win98.
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley@hank.org
hi bill,
i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
- no horizontal scrollbar
- 100% topbar
- ok menu
- ok fonts
if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.
i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
stas, thomas?
./allan
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
At 12:47 PM 1/19/2002 +0800, allan wrote:
>> Here's a netscape image:
>>
>> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
>
>hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?
>
>which netscape, which os?
Oh sorry. That's 4.08 (4.07?) on Win98.
Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley@hank.org
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> At 10:22 AM 01/19/02 +0800, allan wrote:
> >i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
> >
> >http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
> Here's a netscape image:
>
> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?
which netscape, which os?
./allan
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Re: ideas ...
Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
At 10:22 AM 01/19/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
>http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
Here's a netscape image:
http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
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Bill Moseley
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