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Posted to apachecon-discuss@apache.org by Martin Veith <Ma...@bmw-carit.de> on 2012/07/23 09:03:24 UTC
Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Hi all,
the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we are asking ourself which track fits the best.
Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
Thanks,
Martin
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache
Etch?
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
> If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track.
Go ahead and submit your proposal to that track!
> The only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of
> help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course
> unfortunately.
If you let us know your username for the site, we can grant you karma so
you can edit the track description to expand it
> p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.
Nope, it's a single system for website + proposal + scheduling + ....
Nick
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ioan...
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Ioan Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2012/7/23 Ioan Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi Nour,
> >
> > Your logic is reasonable. The only thing that's misleading is the
> > name. ApacheEE may be a good home for enterprise project not directly
> > related to Java EE. For instance James can be deployed as a WAR but
> > not it's not usually the case. That being said I think ApacheEE is the
> > more likely home for James as it's component based (using Spring) and
> > can be deployed as a WAR.
>
> Sorry for re-replaying: I've meant to say that some enterprise things
> are not necessarily JavaEE and ApacheEE make me think only JavaEE.
>
> Note to self: I should re-read stuff before I send.
>
:) no worries
>
> >
> > If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track. The
> > only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of
> > help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course
> > unfortunately.
> >
> > p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > 2012/7/23 Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
> >>>> listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
> >>>> OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
> >>> CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
> >>>> (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
> >>> project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
> >>> tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the
> additional
> >>> notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
> >> proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications
> but
> >> any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so
> they
> >> are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks
> >> - Mohammad Nour
> >> ----
> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> >> - Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com
>
>
>
> --
> Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Ioan Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>.
2012/7/23 Ioan Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Nour,
>
> Your logic is reasonable. The only thing that's misleading is the
> name. ApacheEE may be a good home for enterprise project not directly
> related to Java EE. For instance James can be deployed as a WAR but
> not it's not usually the case. That being said I think ApacheEE is the
> more likely home for James as it's component based (using Spring) and
> can be deployed as a WAR.
Sorry for re-replaying: I've meant to say that some enterprise things
are not necessarily JavaEE and ApacheEE make me think only JavaEE.
Note to self: I should re-read stuff before I send.
>
> If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track. The
> only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of
> help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course
> unfortunately.
>
> p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.
>
> Cheers,
>
> 2012/7/23 Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
>>>> listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
>>>> OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
>>> CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
>>>> (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
>>>>
>>>
>>> If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
>>> project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
>>> tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the additional
>>> notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.
>>
>>
>> Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
>> proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications but
>> any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so they
>> are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
>> ----
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
>> - Albert Einstein
>
>
>
> --
> Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com
--
Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Ioan Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nour,
Your logic is reasonable. The only thing that's misleading is the
name. ApacheEE may be a good home for enterprise project not directly
related to Java EE. For instance James can be deployed as a WAR but
not it's not usually the case. That being said I think ApacheEE is the
more likely home for James as it's component based (using Spring) and
can be deployed as a WAR.
If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track. The
only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of
help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course
unfortunately.
p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.
Cheers,
2012/7/23 Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>:
> Hi
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
>>> listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
>>> OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
>>>
>>
>> Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
>> CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.
>>
>>
>> I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
>>> (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
>>>
>>
>> If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
>> project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
>> tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the additional
>> notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.
>
>
> Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
> proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications but
> any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so they
> are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
--
Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
>
>> I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
>> listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
>> OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
>>
>
> Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
> CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.
>
>
> I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
>> (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
>>
>
> If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
> project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
> tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the additional
> notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.
Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications but
any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so they
are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.
>
>
> Nick
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache
Etch?
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
> I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
> listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
> OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.
> I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
> (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the additional
notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.
Nick
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Ioan Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
(twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
Any suggestions are welcomed.
Cheers,
2012/7/23 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>:
> Hi!
>
> Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
> Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
>
>
> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration" scenarios.
> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>
> In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
> Syncope/Shiro
> Jackrabbit/Sling
> Accumulo/Cassandra
> ...
>
> Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
>> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
>>
>> Hi Martin
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
>> <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
>>> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
>>> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>>
>>> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
>>> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>>> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
>>> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>>
>> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
>> specifically integration and services oriented software development
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
>> ----
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
>> moving"
>> - Albert Einstein
>>
--
Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
On another thought, why not the already existing Camel track chair to be
the same for the one that might be named (Enterprise) Integration track ?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Nick...
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>wrote:
>
>> On 23/07/12 12:06, Francesco Chicchiriccň wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track
>>>> and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration" scenarios.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
>>> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>>>
>>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>>>>
>>>
>> If there are the volunteers to run the track, then we can certainly look
>> at adding a new one, and maybe rolling the Camel track into it! We'd need
>> to make that call soon though. Any takers for being the track chairs?
>>
>
> Good idea, we could name it (Enterprise) Integration track, but as you
> said that would need a chair
>
>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nick...
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com> wrote:
> On 23/07/12 12:06, Francesco Chicchiriccň wrote:
>
>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track
>>> and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration" scenarios.
>>>
>>
>> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
>> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>>
>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>>>
>>
> If there are the volunteers to run the track, then we can certainly look
> at adding a new one, and maybe rolling the Camel track into it! We'd need
> to make that call soon though. Any takers for being the track chairs?
>
Good idea, we could name it (Enterprise) Integration track, but as you said
that would need a chair
>
> Nick
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>.
On 23/07/12 12:06, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration" scenarios.
>
> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>
>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
If there are the volunteers to run the track, then we can certainly look
at adding a new one, and maybe rolling the Camel track into it! We'd
need to make that call soon though. Any takers for being the track chairs?
Nick
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Francesco Chicchiriccò" <il...@apache.org>
> On 23/07/2012 15:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> From: "Francesco Chicchiriccò" <il...@apache.org>
>>> On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing
>>>> purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
>>>> Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain
>>>> the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
>>>
>>> Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
>>> an Identity Manager [2]
>>> Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
>>> Federation, ...
>>> Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
>>> management, ...
>>>
>>> These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
>>> application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
>>> Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.
>>>
>>>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core
>>>> track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration"
>>>> scenarios.
>>>
>>> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
>>> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>
>> Thanks for this answer,
>>
>> Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz...
>> one day...
>> BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?
>
> Hi Jacques,
> thanks for your interest.
>
> At the moment there is no direct relation with "external" Role Based
> Access Control (RBAC), while Syncope is implementing such approach for
> its own internal authentication and authorization model; anyway it is
> something noticeable for the roadmap: why don't you start a thread on
> syncope-dev@incubator.apache.org?
It's too early yet. We are just restructuring the core. And anyway I have not much availabilit to put in it at the moment. But I
keep the idea!
Jacques
> Regards.
>
>>>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>>>>
>>>> In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same
>>>> on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
>>>> Syncope/Shiro
>>>> Jackrabbit/Sling
>>>> Accumulo/Cassandra
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if
>>>> this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
>>>> lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
>>>
>>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
>>> [3]
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
>>>
>>> [4]
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as
>>>>> Apache Etch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
>>>>> <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our
>>>>>> proposal we
>>>>>> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network
>>>>>> services. (for
>>>>>> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>>>>>> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure
>>>>>> or Cloud
>>>>>> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
>>>>> specifically integration and services oriented software development
>>>
>>> --
>>> Francesco Chicchiriccò
>>>
>>> ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
>>> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Francesco Chicchiriccò
>
> ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
>
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Francesco Chicchiriccò <il...@apache.org>.
On 23/07/2012 15:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "Francesco Chicchiriccò" <il...@apache.org>
>> On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing
>>> purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
>>> Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain
>>> the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
>>
>> Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
>> an Identity Manager [2]
>> Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
>> Federation, ...
>> Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
>> management, ...
>>
>> These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
>> application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
>> Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.
>>
>>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core
>>> track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration"
>>> scenarios.
>>
>> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
>> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>>
>> Regards.
>
> Thanks for this answer,
>
> Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz...
> one day...
> BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?
Hi Jacques,
thanks for your interest.
At the moment there is no direct relation with "external" Role Based
Access Control (RBAC), while Syncope is implementing such approach for
its own internal authentication and authorization model; anyway it is
something noticeable for the roadmap: why don't you start a thread on
syncope-dev@incubator.apache.org?
Regards.
>>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>>>
>>> In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same
>>> on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
>>> Syncope/Shiro
>>> Jackrabbit/Sling
>>> Accumulo/Cassandra
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if
>>> this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
>>> lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
>>
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
>> [3]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
>>
>> [4]
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as
>>>> Apache Etch?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Martin
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
>>>> <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about
>>>>> the
>>>>> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our
>>>>> proposal we
>>>>> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network
>>>>> services. (for
>>>>> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>>>>> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure
>>>>> or Cloud
>>>>> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>>>>
>>>> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
>>>> specifically integration and services oriented software development
>>
>> --
>> Francesco Chicchiriccò
>>
>> ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
>> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
>>
>>
--
Francesco Chicchiriccò
ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Francesco Chicchiriccò" <il...@apache.org>
> On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
>> Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
>
> Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
> an Identity Manager [2]
> Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
> Federation, ...
> Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
> management, ...
>
> These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
> application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
> Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.
>
>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration"
>> scenarios.
>
> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>
> Regards.
Thanks for this answer,
Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz... one day...
BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?
Jacques
>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>>
>> In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
>> Syncope/Shiro
>> Jackrabbit/Sling
>> Accumulo/Cassandra
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
>> lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
> [3]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
> [4]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
>>> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
>>>
>>> Hi Martin
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
>>> <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
>>>> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
>>>> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>>>
>>>> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
>>>> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>>>> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
>>>> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>>>
>>> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>>>
>>> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
>>> specifically integration and services oriented software development
>
> --
> Francesco Chicchiriccò
>
> ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
>
>
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Francesco Chicchiriccò <il...@apache.org>.
On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
> Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
an Identity Manager [2]
Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
Federation, ...
Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
management, ...
These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.
> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration" scenarios.
This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
"Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
Regards.
> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>
> In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
> Syncope/Shiro
> Jackrabbit/Sling
> Accumulo/Cassandra
>
> ...
>
> Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
[3]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
>> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
>>
>> Hi Martin
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
>> <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
>>> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
>>> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>>
>>> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
>>> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>>> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
>>> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>>
>> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>>
>> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
>> specifically integration and services oriented software development
--
Francesco Chicchiriccò
ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi!
Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration" scenarios.
Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
Syncope/Shiro
Jackrabbit/Sling
Accumulo/Cassandra
...
Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
>
> Hi Martin
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
> <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
>> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
>> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>
>> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
>> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
>> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>
>
> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>
> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
> specifically integration and services oriented software development
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martin
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi Martin
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith <Ma...@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
> project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
> are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>
> Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
> more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
> In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
> topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>
What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
specifically integration and services oriented software development
>
> Thanks,
> Martin
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein