SA/MAD Interfacing

[Jared Hall <ja...@jaredsec.com>]

Considering that my Linode can't deep-learn anything or become any more 
intelligent than it already is, it seems reasonable that I'd have to 
interact with an external system.

Does anyone know of any RFCs or other standards that define how 
Machine-learning, Artificial intelligence, and Deep-learning systems 
communicate with Email hosts?



Thanks,

-- Jared Hall

Re: SA/MAD Interfacing

[Jared Hall <ja...@jaredsec.com>]

On 10/1/2021 3:27 AM, Marc wrote:
> That is indeed a good futuristic vision. That small mail providers cooperate as a group to exchange information and facilitate a distributed compute environment to analyze and block spam.
> I can remember asking here 1-2 years ago someone about shareing a bayes db or so (can't remember), and his reaction was totally the opposite.
>
1)  Thanks, but not that original.  Extrapolated from figures 4 and 5 in 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844018353404
2)  I don't think ISP/ESPs cooperate that much.  They might participate 
if there are controls over the metadata shared with a non-competitive 
third-party.
3)  I've done sharing of Bayes successfully.  I certainly would not do 
it with auto-learning and manual retraining has it's obvious problems.  
Last I looked at the Bayes modules, the token expiration times were 
pretty fast.

My thinking is more aligned with MAD developers/researchers versus 
ISP/ESPs.  Much of what passes as MAD "research projects" are simply 
regurgitated versions of Bayes.  Everybody tests with the same corpora 
however old it may (or may not) be.  Real-world use data is practically 
non-existent.

Since SA rule-based systems have such great efficiency, perhaps a better 
use-case of ML/AI/DL would be in Virus/Malware control. Still, I 
envision an environment where the ISP/ESP can set privacy flags, what 
services are requested (AV/Spam), and what algorithm (or algorithms) to use.

-- Jared Hall








>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jared Hall <ja...@jaredsec.com>
>> Sent: Friday, 1 October 2021 06:51
>> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
>> Subject: SA/MAD Interfacing
>>
>> Considering that my Linode can't deep-learn anything or become any more
>> intelligent than it already is, it seems reasonable that I'd have to
>> interact with an external system.
>>
>> Does anyone know of any RFCs or other standards that define how Machine-
>> learning, Artificial intelligence, and Deep-learning systems communicate
>> with Email hosts?
>>
>>