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[jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
Message:
The following issue has been closed.
Resolver: Davanum Srinivas
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 7:07 PM
duplicate of 1254
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Key: AXIS-1255
Summary: Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
Type: Bug
Status: Closed
Priority: Major
Resolution: DUPLICATE
Project: Axis
Components:
Documentation
Versions:
current (nightly)
Assignee:
Reporter: Scott Nichol
Created: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 9:02 AM
Updated: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 7:07 PM
Description:
The Web site, notably bugs.html, sends users to bugzilla. This should be changed to JIRA. There is also a link in the FAQ that points to bugzilla.
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Re: [jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla
instead of JIRA
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>.
Glen Mazza wrote:
> I see. I wasn't informed about this on FOP--the switch away from CVS is
> also a surprise. Well, Jira is a good product anyway. Although it's be
> best to be promoting open-source, I guess Bugzilla is simply not
> designed for the heavy usage needed by Apache.
Bugzilla is a very high-touch product. It and CVS's useful life are
probably over.
In house we are moving to SVN, and maybe Scarab.
Re: [jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
Posted by Dirk-Willem van Gulik <di...@webweaving.org>.
On Mar 21, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> It's not a mandate. It's just that the folks are gently nudging new
> projects to use SVN and JIRA.
> Old projects can migrate over time.
Or not migrate at all. Remember; in the ASF you generally scratch your
own
itches; and developers determine the fate of their _own_ project. Do
not expect
the board at any time to impose such technical things on developers;
that is
simply not our role.
However long term we would like to move to SVN as a strategic thing; it
simply scales
better, we hope to get better auditability, security and accounting;
while at the same time
decreasing the burden of adminstration-per-developer. The latter is
more and more
necessary as we are still growing every month.
Dw
Re: [jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Glen,
It's not a mandate. It's just that the folks are gently nudging new projects to use SVN and JIRA.
Old projects can migrate over time.
-- dims
--- Glen Mazza <gr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I see. I wasn't informed about this on FOP--the switch away from CVS is
> also a surprise. Well, Jira is a good product anyway. Although it's be
> best to be promoting open-source, I guess Bugzilla is simply not
> designed for the heavy usage needed by Apache.
>
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> >Glen,
> >
> >It's an apache wide thing (bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN). please raise this issue on
> infrastructure
> >AT apache.org.
> >
> >thanks,
> >dims
> >
> >--- Glen Mazza <gr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: [jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla
instead of JIRA
Posted by Glen Mazza <gr...@yahoo.com>.
I see. I wasn't informed about this on FOP--the switch away from CVS is
also a surprise. Well, Jira is a good product anyway. Although it's be
best to be promoting open-source, I guess Bugzilla is simply not
designed for the heavy usage needed by Apache.
Thanks,
Glen
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Glen,
>
>It's an apache wide thing (bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN). please raise this issue on infrastructure
>AT apache.org.
>
>thanks,
>dims
>
>--- Glen Mazza <gr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
FYI: bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN ...
Posted by Aleksander Slominski <as...@cs.indiana.edu>.
BTW: i found this very useful:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JIRA
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Subversion/WhyUseSubversion
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Subversion
and it seems there was some discussion on incubator-general@
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=106146999500001&r=1&w=2
and more inside projects:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=2&r=1&s=JIRA&q=t
alek
Aleksander Slominski wrote:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
>> Glen,
>>
>> It's an apache wide thing (bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN). please raise
>> this issue on infrastructure
>> AT apache.org.
>>
>>
>
> hi,
>
> is it possible to subscribe to infrastructure (i could not find this
> info) or to see archives? shouldnt it be discussed on some public
> mailing list with archives?
>
> thanks,
>
> alek
>
--
The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan Kay
Re: infrastructure archives?
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
Sure- just send mail to infrastructure-subscribe@apache.org ..
This was discussed to death .. :-). Not sure why there aren't
archives; did u check eyebrowse too?
Sanjiva.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aleksander Slominski" <as...@cs.indiana.edu>
To: <ax...@ws.apache.org>
Cc: <gr...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: infrastructure archives?
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> >Glen,
> >
> >It's an apache wide thing (bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN). please raise
this issue on infrastructure
> >AT apache.org.
> >
> >
>
> hi,
>
> is it possible to subscribe to infrastructure (i could not find this
> info) or to see archives? shouldnt it be discussed on some public
> mailing list with archives?
>
> thanks,
>
> alek
>
> --
> The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan Kay
>
>
infrastructure archives?
Posted by Aleksander Slominski <as...@cs.indiana.edu>.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Glen,
>
>It's an apache wide thing (bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN). please raise this issue on infrastructure
>AT apache.org.
>
>
hi,
is it possible to subscribe to infrastructure (i could not find this
info) or to see archives? shouldnt it be discussed on some public
mailing list with archives?
thanks,
alek
--
The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan Kay
Re: [jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Glen,
It's an apache wide thing (bugzilla->Jira and CVS->SVN). please raise this issue on infrastructure
AT apache.org.
thanks,
dims
--- Glen Mazza <gr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am disappointed with Axis' move to commercial bug-tracking software,
> and hope it will re-adopt Bugzilla (or also OS Scarab) in the future.
> While not perfect, Bugzilla still does a fine job and it's
> well-maintained--I've been using it very happily both at work and
> open-source (Apache FOP) for over a year.
>
> If there's features they would like to see added to Bugzilla, the Axis
> team should issue enhancement requests (http://www.bugzilla.org) for
> those features. That you're from the Axis team with a large user base
> should add a high priority to your requests.
>
> Jira may--temporarily--offer a better interface, but there are more
> compelling issues. The company that offers it to Axis for free just
> wants the free advertising to 1000's of hi-tech Axis users. These were
> advertisements that were previously going to Bugzilla and open source in
> general--resulting in more OSS adoption at hundreds of workplaces,
> saving them a ton of money and greatly reducing FUD about using all OSS,
> including Axis.
>
> It's important to support open source projects. Strong use of
> open-source software is what causes the software to improve, lack of use
> is what causes the quality to go down. If Jira is successful with this
> marketing idea, we can next anticipate a commercial version control
> system offering Apache teams free licenses to use its product instead of
> CVS, and hence CVS gets starved out. Any loss in quality will translate
> to less usage for other open-source products--including Axis--as FUD
> about OSS becomes reactivated.
>
> Maybe it's best to choose competition from within the OS world--i.e., if
> Bugzilla is truly that bad, something that enhancement requests cannot
> fix, use Scarab instead; if CVS stinks, use Subversion--rather than than
> take the bait of commercial companies giving a free license in exchange
> for that ton of OSS-killing free advertising.
>
> Thanks,
> Glen (not affiliated with Bugzilla other than as a user)
>
> David Graham's/Struts opinion also on this topic:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=107395020416624&w=2
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-dev&m=107980467130099&w=2
>
>
>
> jira@apache.org wrote:
>
> >Message:
> >
> > The following issue has been closed.
> >
> > Resolver: Davanum Srinivas
> > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 7:07 PM
> >
> >duplicate of 1254
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >View the issue:
> > http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=AXIS-1255
> >
> >Here is an overview of the issue:
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Key: AXIS-1255
> > Summary: Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
> > Type: Bug
> >
> > Status: Closed
> > Priority: Major
> > Resolution: DUPLICATE
> >
> > Project: Axis
> > Components:
> > Documentation
> > Versions:
> > current (nightly)
> >
> > Assignee:
> > Reporter: Scott Nichol
> >
> > Created: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 9:02 AM
> > Updated: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 7:07 PM
> >
> >Description:
> >The Web site, notably bugs.html, sends users to bugzilla. This should be changed to JIRA.
> There is also a link in the FAQ that points to bugzilla.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: [jira] Closed: (AXIS-1255) Web site refers users to bugzilla
instead of JIRA
Posted by Glen Mazza <gr...@yahoo.com>.
I am disappointed with Axis' move to commercial bug-tracking software,
and hope it will re-adopt Bugzilla (or also OS Scarab) in the future.
While not perfect, Bugzilla still does a fine job and it's
well-maintained--I've been using it very happily both at work and
open-source (Apache FOP) for over a year.
If there's features they would like to see added to Bugzilla, the Axis
team should issue enhancement requests (http://www.bugzilla.org) for
those features. That you're from the Axis team with a large user base
should add a high priority to your requests.
Jira may--temporarily--offer a better interface, but there are more
compelling issues. The company that offers it to Axis for free just
wants the free advertising to 1000's of hi-tech Axis users. These were
advertisements that were previously going to Bugzilla and open source in
general--resulting in more OSS adoption at hundreds of workplaces,
saving them a ton of money and greatly reducing FUD about using all OSS,
including Axis.
It's important to support open source projects. Strong use of
open-source software is what causes the software to improve, lack of use
is what causes the quality to go down. If Jira is successful with this
marketing idea, we can next anticipate a commercial version control
system offering Apache teams free licenses to use its product instead of
CVS, and hence CVS gets starved out. Any loss in quality will translate
to less usage for other open-source products--including Axis--as FUD
about OSS becomes reactivated.
Maybe it's best to choose competition from within the OS world--i.e., if
Bugzilla is truly that bad, something that enhancement requests cannot
fix, use Scarab instead; if CVS stinks, use Subversion--rather than than
take the bait of commercial companies giving a free license in exchange
for that ton of OSS-killing free advertising.
Thanks,
Glen (not affiliated with Bugzilla other than as a user)
David Graham's/Struts opinion also on this topic:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=107395020416624&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-dev&m=107980467130099&w=2
jira@apache.org wrote:
>Message:
>
> The following issue has been closed.
>
> Resolver: Davanum Srinivas
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 7:07 PM
>
>duplicate of 1254
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>View the issue:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=AXIS-1255
>
>Here is an overview of the issue:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Key: AXIS-1255
> Summary: Web site refers users to bugzilla instead of JIRA
> Type: Bug
>
> Status: Closed
> Priority: Major
> Resolution: DUPLICATE
>
> Project: Axis
> Components:
> Documentation
> Versions:
> current (nightly)
>
> Assignee:
> Reporter: Scott Nichol
>
> Created: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 9:02 AM
> Updated: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 7:07 PM
>
>Description:
>The Web site, notably bugs.html, sends users to bugzilla. This should be changed to JIRA. There is also a link in the FAQ that points to bugzilla.
>
>
>
>