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Posted to dev@struts.apache.org by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> on 2005/07/19 13:45:23 UTC
ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
* http://apachecon.com/2005/US/
Anyone thinking of submitting proposals for Struts presentations?
Since it looks like we will have some kind of 1.3.x release in play,
perhaps we could do something about migrating from 1.2 to Struts 1.3.
(And, if nothing else, this would give us some incentive to ensure
there is a 1.3 GA by then.)
Or, perhaps, we could propose a general Struts RoadMap presentation
(or BOF), that would cover where ever we are, and wherever we are
going, come December :)
Or, maybe both, plus one about Shale, I'm sure :)
Here's three others I'm noodling, in case anyone wants to join in. The
more the merrier!
----
.NET @ ASF
Like it or not, many open source developers are moving to the
Microsoft .NET platform -- and we're bringing our favorite tools with
us! In this session, we overview the ASF projects that are creating
software for .NET and Mono -- Logging, iBATIS, Lucene, and Struts --
and show how our products work together to create leading-edge ASP.NET
applications.
----
Mono: A kinder, gentler .NET?
Once upon a time, ASP was the dark-side of web development. Now, Mono
promises us a soup-to-nuts open source platform. In this session, we
explore writing cutting-edge applications for ASP.NET using open
source tools, like Mono, Subversion, MySQL, and SharpDevelop.
----
JIRA and Confluence: Better together?
JIRA is the issue tracking of choice for many ASF projects. But, what
happens when you add to the mix JIRA's sister product, the Confluence
wiki? In this session, we look at integrating JIRA and Confluence into
a seamless software development support system.
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Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>.
On 7/19/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> * http://apachecon.com/2005/US/
>
> Anyone thinking of submitting proposals for Struts presentations?
>
> Since it looks like we will have some kind of 1.3.x release in play,
> perhaps we could do something about migrating from 1.2 to Struts 1.3.
> (And, if nothing else, this would give us some incentive to ensure
> there is a 1.3 GA by then.)
>
> Or, perhaps, we could propose a general Struts RoadMap presentation
> (or BOF), that would cover where ever we are, and wherever we are
> going, come December :)
>
> Or, maybe both, plus one about Shale, I'm sure :)
>
The unfortunate part of this is the timing ... it partially overlaps
JavaPolis in Belgium, and the timing and travel to do both would be
quite interesting. I'd like to if I can.
Craig
> Here's three others I'm noodling, in case anyone wants to join in. The
> more the merrier!
>
> ----
>
> .NET @ ASF
>
> Like it or not, many open source developers are moving to the
> Microsoft .NET platform -- and we're bringing our favorite tools with
> us! In this session, we overview the ASF projects that are creating
> software for .NET and Mono -- Logging, iBATIS, Lucene, and Struts --
> and show how our products work together to create leading-edge ASP.NET
> applications.
>
> ----
>
> Mono: A kinder, gentler .NET?
>
> Once upon a time, ASP was the dark-side of web development. Now, Mono
> promises us a soup-to-nuts open source platform. In this session, we
> explore writing cutting-edge applications for ASP.NET using open
> source tools, like Mono, Subversion, MySQL, and SharpDevelop.
>
> ----
>
> JIRA and Confluence: Better together?
>
> JIRA is the issue tracking of choice for many ASF projects. But, what
> happens when you add to the mix JIRA's sister product, the Confluence
> wiki? In this session, we look at integrating JIRA and Confluence into
> a seamless software development support system.
>
> -----
>
> -Ted.
>
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[ot NET] was: Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by netsql <ne...@roomity.com>.
Martin Cooper wrote:
>
> This isn't the place for a discussion of it, but I'm curious as to what
> is so compelling about the .NET world that developers are moving to it
> even in the absence of the tools they are familiar with from the Java
> world, and especially when they are then expending the effort to
> recreate those tools. Why not stick to Java-land?
>
<flame suit on>
PHB! They like .NET. Otherwise it's equivalent. (And I don't think much
of tools, I am not alone:
http://www.hacknot.info/hacknot/action/showEntry?eid=76 , I do not use
Visual Studio, yuck)
Rumor is that C# will be default for Gnome 3. Mono and GNU C# makes it
more "human" plus it's an ANSI standard. LongHorn is a lot like Linux in
the security that's in compartments, IMO. If one uses Windows... it's a
default.
Some Java tech also has a bit of reputation in some circles (EJB?,
WebStart?, Cross-Platform/yeah right - try Swing on Mac; the non SQL
aproach to projects, ...). Even as SPARC loses it's performance myth,
and even stock at $3... it reflects on Java.
My latest stress is that Mustang JRE will be much bigger(and it's realy
hard to bend Sun's ear, but I did send an email to m reynolds there) and
it's becoming slowly less readable(anotations, parametizing, ...).
That's why I do Groovy too, to make it readable and less code. (google
does Python... and it's all the rage to mimic their aproach)
If Sun would move to remove deprecated( omg packages still in JRE, go
look) and simplify some things, (EJB 3 does not return collections,
maybe V4 will) it would help some technical argument , but it just
seems that Sun have to much middle managment to not do design by
comitte, so everyone gets their "feature" in at expense of elegance.
(Struts and CoR are major simplifications; that is what sucess is imo)
(another ex?: DataSource in JDNC is realy sad ... they realy need to
visit w/ developers that put things in production. MS listens to
developers, that is their reputation. MS deprecated datasource as such
in C#v2! )
I hope the best from Harmony, it's hard to do O/S w/o user input.
.V
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Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Ted Husted wrote:
> * http://apachecon.com/2005/US/
>
> Anyone thinking of submitting proposals for Struts presentations?
I'm hoping to be able to attend, but I don't yet know for sure, and
probably won't for a while. So no, I haven't thought about submitting
anything.
> Since it looks like we will have some kind of 1.3.x release in play,
> perhaps we could do something about migrating from 1.2 to Struts 1.3.
> (And, if nothing else, this would give us some incentive to ensure
> there is a 1.3 GA by then.)
;-)
> Or, perhaps, we could propose a general Struts RoadMap presentation
> (or BOF), that would cover where ever we are, and wherever we are
> going, come December :)
>
> Or, maybe both, plus one about Shale, I'm sure :)
>
> Here's three others I'm noodling, in case anyone wants to join in. The
> more the merrier!
>
> ----
>
> .NET @ ASF
>
> Like it or not, many open source developers are moving to the
> Microsoft .NET platform -- and we're bringing our favorite tools with
> us! In this session, we overview the ASF projects that are creating
> software for .NET and Mono -- Logging, iBATIS, Lucene, and Struts --
> and show how our products work together to create leading-edge ASP.NET
> applications.
This isn't the place for a discussion of it, but I'm curious as to what is
so compelling about the .NET world that developers are moving to it even
in the absence of the tools they are familiar with from the Java world,
and especially when they are then expending the effort to recreate those
tools. Why not stick to Java-land?
> ----
>
> Mono: A kinder, gentler .NET?
>
> Once upon a time, ASP was the dark-side of web development. Now, Mono
> promises us a soup-to-nuts open source platform. In this session, we
> explore writing cutting-edge applications for ASP.NET using open
> source tools, like Mono, Subversion, MySQL, and SharpDevelop.
>
> ----
>
> JIRA and Confluence: Better together?
>
> JIRA is the issue tracking of choice for many ASF projects. But, what
> happens when you add to the mix JIRA's sister product, the Confluence
> wiki? In this session, we look at integrating JIRA and Confluence into
> a seamless software development support system.
I'd be interested in the answer to the "what happens" question. ;-) We've
been evaluating JIRA at my "day job", and I'm definitely impressed, to the
point that I'd now be in favour of Struts moving to JIRA. If Confluence
makes it even better, I'd like to know how, even if that's not likely to
influence my "day job" (since we just switched wikis, and are not going to
want to do that again any time soon).
--
Martin Cooper
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Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 8/24/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/23/05, Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My Shale talk got accepted as well. As long as you're scheduled on
> > Monday or Tuesday (I have to fly out on Wednesday) I should be able to
> > join you.
>
> I ask if they can run them back to back. I expect that most folks
> interest in Struts 2006 would also want to attend Struts Shale, so we
> might as well try and make it easy for them.
Happily, the organizers were able to schedule the Struts talks
back-to-back, on Tuesday 13 December 2005 at 4:30p (TU20) and 5:30p
(TU26). The slides for the Struts 2006 talk are available here:
* http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/STRUTS/Struts+2006
For more about ApacheCon US 2005, visit
http://apachecon.com/2005/US/
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Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 8/23/05, Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My Shale talk got accepted as well. As long as you're scheduled on
> Monday or Tuesday (I have to fly out on Wednesday) I should be able to
> join you.
I ask if they can run them back to back. I expect that most folks
interest in Struts 2006 would also want to attend Struts Shale, so we
might as well try and make it easy for them.
-Ted.
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Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>.
On 8/23/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At the last minute, Don Brown and I put in for a Struts talk for
> ApacheCon, which was accepted by the planners:
>
> ---
>
> Struts 2006: An embarrassment of riches
>
> Apache Struts is a hotbed of activity. Struts Classic 1.3, Struts
> Shale, Struts Ti, Struts OverDrive. Why so many frameworks? How are
> they different? Why are they all called Struts? Which is the best
> choice for my next project? In this session, we step back and look at
> Struts through a wide-angle lense.
>
> ---
>
> If any of the other Struts committers make it out, I'm sure there'll
> be pleny of room on the podium. :)
>
My Shale talk got accepted as well. As long as you're scheduled on
Monday or Tuesday (I have to fly out on Wednesday) I should be able to
join you.
Craig
> For more about ApacheCon US 2005, visit [http://www.apachecon.com/].
>
> -Ted.
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Re: ApacheCon 2005 SanDiego
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
At the last minute, Don Brown and I put in for a Struts talk for
ApacheCon, which was accepted by the planners:
---
Struts 2006: An embarrassment of riches
Apache Struts is a hotbed of activity. Struts Classic 1.3, Struts
Shale, Struts Ti, Struts OverDrive. Why so many frameworks? How are
they different? Why are they all called Struts? Which is the best
choice for my next project? In this session, we step back and look at
Struts through a wide-angle lense.
---
If any of the other Struts committers make it out, I'm sure there'll
be pleny of room on the podium. :)
For more about ApacheCon US 2005, visit [http://www.apachecon.com/].
-Ted.
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