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Posted to fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org by Weiqi Gao <we...@networkusa.net> on 2001/08/29 05:22:59 UTC
FAQ: Where's the Windows zip file for Fop?
On 28 Aug 2001 15:55:38 +1000, Peter B. West wrote:
>
> How about a Fop-0.20.1-bin.zip.txt, explaining how to unzip
> a tar.gz? It might reduce the F of this AQ.
Q: Why isn't there a Windows .zip version of Fop on the download site?
A: To save diskspace on the Fop download site. This is practical for
two reasons:
1. For a Java project, the zip archive and the tar.gz archive would
contain exactly the same content. So one of the two is superfluous if
each format can be unarchived on every platform that mattered.
2. It is indeed the case that each format can be unarchived on every
platform that mattered. One can easily unzip an zip archive on Linux,
thanks to the GNU zip/unzip programs. One can also gunzip and untar a
tar.gz archive on Windows, thanks to the GNU tar program and Cygwin (or
WinZip, or even PKZIP, if one is so inclined).
Since tar.gz archives is always smaller than zip archives, (at least for
archives the size of the Fop project), it is natural to choose tar.gz as
the only archive format on the Fop download site.
This format causes little to no problems for the various UNIX platforms.
Some UNIX flavor's tar command is incompatible with the GNU tar command
for pathnames longer than 100 characters. The problem is easily
remedied by downloading GNU tar from http://www.gnu.org/software/tar .
For Windows NT/2000/etc. platforms, just drag the tar.gz archive and
drop it into the WinZip (http://www.winzip.com, $29) or PKZIP for
Windows (http://www.pkware.com, $29) window.
A better solution would be to download the free software Cygwin
(http://cygwin.com) and get the GNU tar program as part of the suite.
Cygwin is free software in the genuine FSF sense. The suite you
download will include not only GNU tar, but also many of the other GNU
utilities (bash, gcc, etc.). The command line syntax of GNU tar is very
similar the the JDK's jar command. To unarchive Fop-0.20.1-bin.tar.gz,
for example, one runs:
tar zxvf Fop-0.20.1-bin.tar.gz
[I don't use MacOS, but surely there must be a port of GNU tar for it,
right?]
(Until this is either added to the web site, or the FAQ, we can always
point to the mail archive for new zip archive queries.)
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Re: FAQ: Where's the Windows zip file for Fop?
Posted by Weiqi Gao <we...@networkusa.net>.
On 29 Aug 2001 13:31:09 +1000, Mark Lillywhite wrote:
>
> Why not stick the whole distro into a JAR file? Everyone has "jar",
> don't they? (and aren't JAR and ZIP files compatible with each
> other?).
>
> Maybe this is a dumb idea but it seems a bit silly to have platform
> wars when there's a Java standard for archiving. I'm not really sure
> why we don't see this used in more places, but maybe that's why it's a
> dumb idea :)
It's not platform war anymore as any one of the formats can be
unarchived in any one of the platforms of interest.
It's a compression war. And tar.gz wins for now because its file size
is smaller than zip (and its equivalent, jar). A few other projects are
starting to use tar.bz2 format already because bzip2 compresses even
more and bunzip2 is readily available for all platforms.
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RE: FAQ: Where's the Windows zip file for Fop?
Posted by Jim Wright <jw...@palgraphics.com>.
Winzip works just fine for this type of thing.
jw
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Lillywhite [mailto:mark@inomial.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:31 PM
To: fop-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: FAQ: Where's the Windows zip file for Fop?
Why not stick the whole distro into a JAR file? Everyone has "jar",
don't they? (and aren't JAR and ZIP files compatible with each other?).
Maybe this is a dumb idea but it seems a bit silly to have platform wars
when there's a Java standard for archiving. I'm not really sure why we
don't see this used in more places, but maybe that's why it's a dumb idea :)
Mark
p.s. im back! :)
Weiqi Gao wrote:
>On 28 Aug 2001 15:55:38 +1000, Peter B. West wrote:
>
>>How about a Fop-0.20.1-bin.zip.txt, explaining how to unzip
>>a tar.gz? It might reduce the F of this AQ.
>>
>
>Q: Why isn't there a Windows .zip version of Fop on the download site?
>
>A: To save diskspace on the Fop download site. This is practical for
>two reasons:
>
>1. For a Java project, the zip archive and the tar.gz archive would
>contain exactly the same content. So one of the two is superfluous if
>each format can be unarchived on every platform that mattered.
>
>2. It is indeed the case that each format can be unarchived on every
>platform that mattered. One can easily unzip an zip archive on Linux,
>thanks to the GNU zip/unzip programs. One can also gunzip and untar a
>tar.gz archive on Windows, thanks to the GNU tar program and Cygwin (or
>WinZip, or even PKZIP, if one is so inclined).
>
>Since tar.gz archives is always smaller than zip archives, (at least for
>archives the size of the Fop project), it is natural to choose tar.gz as
>the only archive format on the Fop download site.
>
>This format causes little to no problems for the various UNIX platforms.
>Some UNIX flavor's tar command is incompatible with the GNU tar command
>for pathnames longer than 100 characters. The problem is easily
>remedied by downloading GNU tar from http://www.gnu.org/software/tar .
>
>For Windows NT/2000/etc. platforms, just drag the tar.gz archive and
>drop it into the WinZip (http://www.winzip.com, $29) or PKZIP for
>Windows (http://www.pkware.com, $29) window.
>
>A better solution would be to download the free software Cygwin
>(http://cygwin.com) and get the GNU tar program as part of the suite.
>Cygwin is free software in the genuine FSF sense. The suite you
>download will include not only GNU tar, but also many of the other GNU
>utilities (bash, gcc, etc.). The command line syntax of GNU tar is very
>similar the the JDK's jar command. To unarchive Fop-0.20.1-bin.tar.gz,
>for example, one runs:
>
> tar zxvf Fop-0.20.1-bin.tar.gz
>
>[I don't use MacOS, but surely there must be a port of GNU tar for it,
>right?]
>
>(Until this is either added to the web site, or the FAQ, we can always
>point to the mail archive for new zip archive queries.)
>
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Re: FAQ: Where's the Windows zip file for Fop?
Posted by Mark Lillywhite <ma...@inomial.com>.
Why not stick the whole distro into a JAR file? Everyone has "jar",
don't they? (and aren't JAR and ZIP files compatible with each other?).
Maybe this is a dumb idea but it seems a bit silly to have platform wars
when there's a Java standard for archiving. I'm not really sure why we
don't see this used in more places, but maybe that's why it's a dumb idea :)
Mark
p.s. im back! :)
Weiqi Gao wrote:
>On 28 Aug 2001 15:55:38 +1000, Peter B. West wrote:
>
>>How about a Fop-0.20.1-bin.zip.txt, explaining how to unzip
>>a tar.gz? It might reduce the F of this AQ.
>>
>
>Q: Why isn't there a Windows .zip version of Fop on the download site?
>
>A: To save diskspace on the Fop download site. This is practical for
>two reasons:
>
>1. For a Java project, the zip archive and the tar.gz archive would
>contain exactly the same content. So one of the two is superfluous if
>each format can be unarchived on every platform that mattered.
>
>2. It is indeed the case that each format can be unarchived on every
>platform that mattered. One can easily unzip an zip archive on Linux,
>thanks to the GNU zip/unzip programs. One can also gunzip and untar a
>tar.gz archive on Windows, thanks to the GNU tar program and Cygwin (or
>WinZip, or even PKZIP, if one is so inclined).
>
>Since tar.gz archives is always smaller than zip archives, (at least for
>archives the size of the Fop project), it is natural to choose tar.gz as
>the only archive format on the Fop download site.
>
>This format causes little to no problems for the various UNIX platforms.
>Some UNIX flavor's tar command is incompatible with the GNU tar command
>for pathnames longer than 100 characters. The problem is easily
>remedied by downloading GNU tar from http://www.gnu.org/software/tar .
>
>For Windows NT/2000/etc. platforms, just drag the tar.gz archive and
>drop it into the WinZip (http://www.winzip.com, $29) or PKZIP for
>Windows (http://www.pkware.com, $29) window.
>
>A better solution would be to download the free software Cygwin
>(http://cygwin.com) and get the GNU tar program as part of the suite.
>Cygwin is free software in the genuine FSF sense. The suite you
>download will include not only GNU tar, but also many of the other GNU
>utilities (bash, gcc, etc.). The command line syntax of GNU tar is very
>similar the the JDK's jar command. To unarchive Fop-0.20.1-bin.tar.gz,
>for example, one runs:
>
> tar zxvf Fop-0.20.1-bin.tar.gz
>
>[I don't use MacOS, but surely there must be a port of GNU tar for it,
>right?]
>
>(Until this is either added to the web site, or the FAQ, we can always
>point to the mail archive for new zip archive queries.)
>
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