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[PROPOSAL]
I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
This would make many users lives more easier.
Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
I'm understand, your a genius.
On 14/02/2012 9:53 AM, James Knott wrote:
> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> You haven't given a solution in this discussion
>> you only had a negative comment on someone else
>> work around.
>>
>
> The OP was looking for a method of inserting
> special characters. My method shows a well
> recognized method of using many characters. On
> the other hand, the OP also didn't think much of
> your solution. If the characters he wants are
> not available in the many keyboard layouts, then
> perhaps he needs another method, but until then,
> my solution is exactly what he needs.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Martin Groenescheij wrote:
> You haven't given a solution in this discussion you only had a
> negative comment on someone else work around.
>
The OP was looking for a method of inserting special characters. My
method shows a well recognized method of using many characters. On the
other hand, the OP also didn't think much of your solution. If the
characters he wants are not available in the many keyboard layouts, then
perhaps he needs another method, but until then, my solution is exactly
what he needs.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
You haven't given a solution in this discussion
you only had a negative comment on someone else
work around.
On 14/02/2012 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote:
> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> I know what I wrote, if to try it you can see
>> how it works.
>> The real question is "Do you want a solution /
>> workaround or do you want a discussion"?
>
> I provided a better solution in another
> message. In Linux & Windows, it's possible to
> select from a variety of keyboards. The U.S.
> International keyboard behaves just like a
> regular keyboard, until you press the right
> "Alt" key, which you can use to enable other
> characters. You can read about it here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#US_international
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Martin Groenescheij wrote:
> I know what I wrote, if to try it you can see how it works.
> The real question is "Do you want a solution / workaround or do you
> want a discussion"?
I provided a better solution in another message. In Linux & Windows,
it's possible to select from a variety of keyboards. The U.S.
International keyboard behaves just like a regular keyboard, until you
press the right "Alt" key, which you can use to enable other
characters. You can read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#US_international
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
I know what I wrote, if to try it you can see how
it works.
The real question is "Do you want a solution /
workaround or do you want a discussion"?
On 14/02/2012 8:30 AM, James Knott wrote:
> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> I'm not a programmer or a software developer
>> I'm just a simple user that find my way to work
>> around issues.
>> In my dictionary I can't find the word "e" so
>> that's not an issue at least not in the English
>> language and "echo" comes out as "echo".
>
> In your original example, you used a single "
> before a letter and no way to differentiate
> between a single character and a word.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Martin Groenescheij wrote:
> I'm not a programmer or a software developer I'm just a simple user
> that find my way to work around issues.
> In my dictionary I can't find the word "e" so that's not an issue at
> least not in the English language and "echo" comes out as "echo".
In your original example, you used a single " before a letter and no way
to differentiate between a single character and a word.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
I'm not a programmer or a software developer I'm
just a simple user that find my way to work around
issues.
In my dictionary I can't find the word "e" so
that's not an issue at least not in the English
language and "echo" comes out as "echo".
On 14/02/2012 7:53 AM, James Knott wrote:
> No, I have no need for it, but I'm still curious
> about how it knows when you want the other
> characters.
>
>
>
> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> Have you tried it?
>>
>> On 14/02/2012 12:37 AM, James Knott wrote:
>>> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>>>> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect
>>>> Options e.g.
>>>> Replace "e with ë
>>> What happens if you quote a word starting with
>>> "e", such as "echo"?
>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
No, I have no need for it, but I'm still curious about how it knows when
you want the other characters.
Martin Groenescheij wrote:
> Have you tried it?
>
> On 14/02/2012 12:37 AM, James Knott wrote:
>> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>>> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options e.g.
>>> Replace "e with ë
>> What happens if you quote a word starting with "e", such as "echo"?
>>
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
Have you tried it?
On 14/02/2012 12:37 AM, James Knott wrote:
> Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect
>> Options e.g.
>> Replace "e with ë
> What happens if you quote a word starting with
> "e", such as "echo"?
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Martin Groenescheij wrote:
> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options e.g.
> Replace "e with ë
What happens if you quote a word starting with "e", such as "echo"?
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by David B Teague sr <da...@comporium.net>.
Agree. Thanks. You can record a macro and assign it to a key.
David
On 2/13/2012 8:51 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> Because there is a natural way (to put it so) to write and when you use a computer program for this experience must be as close to natural. And then should be as easy for the user to write. That's why i do not think the Auto Corect Options solution is very good way .It is more a compromise solution.Can be used in the absence of something better, but ...
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David B Teague sr<da...@comporium.net>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>
> Why not?
>
> On 2/13/2012 7:47 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with diacritics.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>>
>> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
>> e.g.
>> Replace "e with ë
>> Replace `e with è
>> Replace ^e with ê
>> etc.
>>
>> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
>>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>>>
>>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Mos Constantin <mo...@yahoo.com>.
Because there is a natural way (to put it so) to write and when you use a computer program for this experience must be as close to natural. And then should be as easy for the user to write. That's why i do not think the Auto Corect Options solution is very good way .It is more a compromise solution.Can be used in the absence of something better, but ...
________________________________
From: David B Teague sr <da...@comporium.net>
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Why not?
On 2/13/2012 7:47 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with diacritics.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>
> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
> e.g.
> Replace "e with ë
> Replace `e with è
> Replace ^e with ê
> etc.
>
> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>>
>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Serdar Sahbaz wrote:
> i have in idea,we can include a new feature in the software like "see a keyboard on bottom of the screen"the keyboard could be switched between different existing keyboards or customised with the characteres you need without changing the system keyboardthen you see on screen how your keyboard will react if you press one or another touchfor the switching i imagine that some key combinations could be easy to do like alt+shift+ 1 for the system keyboard, alt+shift+2 for another predefined keyboarduser can adapt them for their needs
In another note, I mentioned using the U.S. International keyboard.
When you use that, the keyboard behaves exactly like a regular U.S.
keyboard, except if you use the right alt key, you can then enter a wide
variety of other characters. I included some info on this in that other
note. This function is available in Linux, Windows and probably Mac
too. All you have to do is enable it. I have also seen utilities that
provide other characters and remember, back in the DOS days, when you
could hold the Alt key and then enter the character number, using the
number pad keys.
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RE: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Serdar Sahbaz <le...@msn.com>.
i have in idea,we can include a new feature in the software like "see a keyboard on bottom of the screen"the keyboard could be switched between different existing keyboards or customised with the characteres you need without changing the system keyboardthen you see on screen how your keyboard will react if you press one or another touchfor the switching i imagine that some key combinations could be easy to do like alt+shift+ 1 for the system keyboard, alt+shift+2 for another predefined keyboarduser can adapt them for their needs
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:15:54 -0500
> From: dmcgarrett@optonline.net
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> On 02/13/2012 08:10 AM, David B Teague sr wrote:
> > Why not?
> Not every e wants to have an umlaut--ë--for instance. Then, if you did
> this, you
> couldn't have an e with è or ê. Use the compose key, like I just did. You
> can make a compose key in Linux, or you can use AllChars for Windows, if
> that's
> your OS.
>
> --doug
> >
> > On 2/13/2012 7:47 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> >> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with
> >> diacritics.
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
> >> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
> >>
> >> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
> >> e.g.
> >> Replace "e with ë
> >> Replace `e with è
> >> Replace ^e with ê
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> >>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys
> >>> when he want to insert a special character.
> >>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they
> >>> can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
> >>>
> >>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
The proposal was to provide a key binding which would be a lot faster than finding a character in a table.
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> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>
> On 02/13/2012 08:10 AM, David B Teague sr wrote:
>> Why not?
> Not every e wants to have an umlaut--ë--for instance. Then, if you did this,
> you
> couldn't have an e with è or ê. Use the compose key, like I just did. You
> can make a compose key in Linux, or you can use AllChars for Windows, if
> that's
> your OS.
>
> --doug
>>
>> On 2/13/2012 7:47 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>>> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with
> diacritics.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>>>
>>> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
>>> e.g.
>>> Replace "e with ë
>>> Replace `e with è
>>> Replace ^e with ê
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>>>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys
> when he want to insert a special character.
>>>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they
> can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>>>>
>>>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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>>
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 02/13/2012 08:10 AM, David B Teague sr wrote:
> Why not?
Not every e wants to have an umlaut--ë--for instance. Then, if you did
this, you
couldn't have an e with è or ê. Use the compose key, like I just did. You
can make a compose key in Linux, or you can use AllChars for Windows, if
that's
your OS.
--doug
>
> On 2/13/2012 7:47 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with
>> diacritics.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>>
>> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
>> e.g.
>> Replace "e with ë
>> Replace `e with è
>> Replace ^e with ê
>> etc.
>>
>> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys
>>> when he want to insert a special character.
>>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they
>>> can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>>>
>>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by David B Teague sr <da...@comporium.net>.
Why not?
On 2/13/2012 7:47 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with diacritics.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>
> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
> e.g.
> Replace "e with ë
> Replace `e with è
> Replace ^e with ê
> etc.
>
> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>>
>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Mike Scott <mi...@scottsonline.org.uk>.
On 13/02/12 21:27, James Knott wrote:
> Why not just enable multiple keyboards and select the one you need? For
> example, I enabled the International English keyboard and can use
> characters such as these: áéúüó
Can I point out please what seems to have been missed, but I think James
has implied? Special character entry is really an OS issue, not an
application problem, and is properly addressed at that level. Yes,
clearly you can work round it using OOo's auto-correct or macro
facilities - but then you have to get idiosyncratic workarounds for
other applications too, and end up with a right old mess.
By way of example of a better possibility, a quick check on ubuntu shows
a package called 'gok' which appears to be an on-screen keyboard of
programmable layout. (Not that I've tried it!) No doubt there are
windows equivalents.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Why not just enable multiple keyboards and select the one you need? For
example, I enabled the International English keyboard and can use
characters such as these: áéúüó
Martin Groenescheij wrote:
> I agree, but it's easier to remember diacritics than remembering
> shortcut keys.
> The real solution is an extended keyboard with about 500 keys. :-)
>
> On 13/02/2012 11:47 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with
>> diacritics.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
I agree, but it's easier to remember diacritics
than remembering shortcut keys.
The real solution is an extended keyboard with
about 500 keys. :-)
On 13/02/2012 11:47 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with diacritics.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martin Groenescheij<Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
>
> You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
> e.g.
> Replace "e with ë
> Replace `e with è
> Replace ^e with ê
> etc.
>
> On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
>> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
>> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>>
>> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Mos Constantin <mo...@yahoo.com>.
I do not think this is a very good solution to write a text with diacritics.
________________________________
From: Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
e.g.
Replace "e with ë
Replace `e with è
Replace ^e with ê
etc.
On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>
> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
You can achieve this with the AutoCorrect Options
e.g.
Replace "e with ë
Replace `e with è
Replace ^e with ê
etc.
On 13/02/2012 8:36 PM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>
> This would make many users lives more easier.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Mos Constantin <mo...@yahoo.com>.
Sorry for my weaker English, but the idea is to set the keys that you agree. However, i admit i do not understand well what you mean by "macro".
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From: Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
To: "ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; Mos Constantin <mo...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
A tutorial on reporting bugs or suggestions: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=13490
The place to file them: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
You can do it now but you need a small macro to which you would assign a key binding.
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> From: Mos Constantin <mo...@yahoo.com>
> To: "ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012 8:36 PM
> Subject: [PROPOSAL]
>
> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to
> insert a special character.
> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be
> modified if the user deems necessary).
>
> This would make many users lives more easier.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
A tutorial on reporting bugs or suggestions: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=13490
The place to file them: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
You can do it now but you need a small macro to which you would assign a key binding.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mos Constantin <mo...@yahoo.com>
> To: "ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012 8:36 PM
> Subject: [PROPOSAL]
>
> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to
> insert a special character.
> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be
> modified if the user deems necessary).
>
> This would make many users lives more easier.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 02/13/2012 04:36 AM, Mos Constantin wrote:
> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>
> This would make many users lives more easier.
>
That's a good idea. Probably the shortcut keys should be on the
function keys. There aren't enough other keys
that can be spared for this kind of use.
--doug
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Re: [PROPOSAL]
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi,
Mos Constantin schrieb:
> I would like to propose that the user can set up a shortcut keys when he want to insert a special character.
> These keys should be automatically saved to be used later (they can also be modified if the user deems necessary).
>
> This would make many users lives more easier.
You can try whether a translation of
http://www.ooowiki.de/TastaturAnpassen is good enough for understanding.
The page contains several solutions to insert special characters by
keyboard.
Kind regards
Regina
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