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How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Hi everyone,

I would like to switch historically grown projects in NetBeans own
directory layout with its own settings files to Gradle using the
common distinction of Java source files vs. resources of other kinds.
Currently I have a mixup of Java files, assoicted *.form files for the
UI designer and even images.

I've already moved *.form files etc. from \src\foo\bar\*.form to
\src\main\resources\foo\bar\*.form. And while that seems to even
produce some result with Gradle, the UI designer in NetBeans doesn't
recognize that layout anymore and doesn't provide the "Design"
interface for some class. Only "Source" and "History". If I move
*.form back to the directory of the *.java, the "Design" interface is
shown again.

Though, it seems the images can be placed in "resources". During my
tests I kept those there and the designer nevertheless showed all of
them. I guess this is because the corresponding XML *.form files
contain the following paths, which are resolved using the classloader
in the end:

> <Property name="icon" type="javax.swing.Icon" editor="org.netbeans.modules.form.editors2.IconEditor">
> <Image iconType="3" name="/virtualkeyboard/images/space.gif"/>
> </Property>

So, is there any way to make NetBeans work the same with the *.form
files? Thanks!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Thorsten Schöning

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Bernd Michaely <in...@bernd-michaely.de>.

On 18.10.22 19:24, Thorsten Schöning wrote:
>
> But images referenced in the *.form files should work in "resources",
> correct?

If i remember correctly, GUI designer and *.form files have nothing to 
do at all with the build process (in the sense of Gradle), it is part of 
generating sources and happens before build, so accessing images in 
forms is all about adapting relative paths to images (if needed) …

Bernd



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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de>.

Guten Tag Neil C Smith,
am Mittwoch, 19. Oktober 2022 um 14:27 schrieben Sie:

> Either we're using different definitions, or there's something odd in
> your configuration.[...]

I repeated my tests and *.form files are not deployed by default, as
long as they are stored alongside *.java. I placed them in "resources"
next to images for test purposes and moved them back at some point,
though they were still part of the resulting JAR sometimes. But I
might have simply made something different wrong, now with closed IDE
and stuff the files are not part fo the JAR.

>> But images referenced in the *.form files should work in "resources",
>> correct?

> Do they not?

It seems to work in the IDE, but the goal is a test and deployment
pipeline without the IDE and am not there yet to test it myself.
Therefore I hoped someone could tell me beforehand if I'm doing things
entirely wrong or expecting too much or ... :-)

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 at 18:24, Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de> wrote:
>
> Guten Tag Neil C Smith,
> am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2022 um 18:57 schrieben Sie:
>
> > There's a massive difference between images and .form files - .form
> > files are not meant to be published as part of the deployment.
>
> But they are when using Gradle.

Either we're using different definitions, or there's something odd in
your configuration.  I suggest sharing a simple project that
illustrates the problem.


> > Also, as far as NetBeans is concerned, they are one file - pros and
> > cons to that.
>
> But images referenced in the *.form files should work in "resources",
> correct?

Do they not?

Neil

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de>.

Guten Tag Neil C Smith,
am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2022 um 18:57 schrieben Sie:

> There's a massive difference between images and .form files - .form
> files are not meant to be published as part of the deployment.

But they are when using Gradle.

> Also, as far as NetBeans is concerned, they are one file - pros and
> cons to that.

But images referenced in the *.form files should work in "resources",
correct?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Thorsten Schöning

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 at 13:29, Bernd Michaely <in...@bernd-michaely.de> wrote:
> In doubt *.form files could be deleted from the build dir after
> compilation and before deployment, e.g. using doFirst in the deployment
> task, something like this:
..
> (never tried that myself…)

So did you check if they're in there to start with?  That was the
point of my question, and why I'd be interested to see a project
shared where that is the case.

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Bernd Michaely <in...@bernd-michaely.de>.

Indeed Gradle keeps different types of files like sources and resources 
in different subdirectories.

*.form files are another type of files, which are created and needed 
even before compilation and are not to be deployed, so they would reside 
in their own subdirectory aside sources and resources.

Gradle would need to be configured so that NB will find them despite 
being in a different dir (don't know if that is possible), and to 
exclude them from deployment…

In doubt *.form files could be deleted from the build dir after 
compilation and before deployment, e.g. using doFirst in the deployment 
task, something like this:

https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/common_caching_problems.html#custom_actions

(never tried that myself…)

Bernd

On 18.10.22 18:57, Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 at 17:51, Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de> wrote:
>> Mostly that non-Java is exactly what is meant to be maintained in
>> "resources". There's not that much difference between images or XML
>> form files. This might even allow to not publish those files as part
>> of the deployment, configure different set of rules in IDEs etc.
> There's a massive difference between images and .form files - .form
> files are not meant to be published as part of the deployment.
>
> Also, as far as NetBeans is concerned, they are one file - pros and
> cons to that.
>
> Neil
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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 at 17:51, Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de> wrote:
> Mostly that non-Java is exactly what is meant to be maintained in
> "resources". There's not that much difference between images or XML
> form files. This might even allow to not publish those files as part
> of the deployment, configure different set of rules in IDEs etc.

There's a massive difference between images and .form files - .form
files are not meant to be published as part of the deployment.

Also, as far as NetBeans is concerned, they are one file - pros and
cons to that.

Neil

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de>.

Guten Tag László Kishalmi,
am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2022 um 18:27 schrieben Sie:

> Just would like to know what is the motivation behind separating the java
> and the form files?

Mostly that non-Java is exactly what is meant to be maintained in
"resources". There's not that much difference between images or XML
form files. This might even allow to not publish those files as part
of the deployment, configure different set of rules in IDEs etc.

OTOH, isn't that much of a big deal. But as images seems to be
maintained using classloader resources, I thought it might be wort a
try.

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Re: How to maintain .java and .form in different directories?

Posted by László Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.

Hi there,

Just would like to know what is the motivation behind separating the java
and the form files?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 9:12 AM Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to switch historically grown projects in NetBeans own
> directory layout with its own settings files to Gradle using the
> common distinction of Java source files vs. resources of other kinds.
> Currently I have a mixup of Java files, assoicted *.form files for the
> UI designer and even images.
>
> I've already moved *.form files etc. from \src\foo\bar\*.form to
> \src\main\resources\foo\bar\*.form. And while that seems to even
> produce some result with Gradle, the UI designer in NetBeans doesn't
> recognize that layout anymore and doesn't provide the "Design"
> interface for some class. Only "Source" and "History". If I move
> *.form back to the directory of the *.java, the "Design" interface is
> shown again.
>
> Though, it seems the images can be placed in "resources". During my
> tests I kept those there and the designer nevertheless showed all of
> them. I guess this is because the corresponding XML *.form files
> contain the following paths, which are resolved using the classloader
> in the end:
>
> > <Property name="icon" type="javax.swing.Icon"
> editor="org.netbeans.modules.form.editors2.IconEditor">
> >   <Image iconType="3" name="/virtualkeyboard/images/space.gif"/>
> > </Property>
>
> So, is there any way to make NetBeans work the same with the *.form
> files? Thanks!
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Thorsten Schöning
>
> --
> AM-SoFT IT-Service - Bitstore Hameln GmbH
> Mitglied der Bitstore Gruppe - Ihr Full-Service-Dienstleister für IT und TK
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>
>
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>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> Thorsten Schöning
>
>
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