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Posted to user@pivot.apache.org by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net> on 2010/05/04 21:43:11 UTC
Mavenization of pivot?
Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources jar's.
Patrick
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net>.
I rest my case...
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:04pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Threatening to fork does not promote a sense of collaboration.
Again - we like Ant and it suits our needs. Moving to Maven would be a major disruption that is simply not justified.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Hmm, That's what I did, offer to collaborate... But was just said thanks but no thanks.
>
> FYI It took me 30 minutes to mavenize the pivot project and was able to produce jar's, javadocs and sources. But of course everybody hate's maven...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:46pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> We understand the benefits as they apply to other projects. We just don't feel that they apply here.
>
> Sorry to hear that you would prefer to fork rather than collaborate, but that option is of course available to you.
>
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
>>
>> I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>
>> I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
>>
>> On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>
>>> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>>>
>>> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
>>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>>
>>> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>>>
>>> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>>>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>>>> jar's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Robert Piotrowski <rp...@azonic.net>.
"Grow Up" ? WTF!
The guy who runs the project doesn't want to. Leave it be.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Shea" <pa...@ps1.net>
To: <us...@pivot.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Seriously, pivot looks like a private club, your primary audience is java
developers and you tell them that ant (10 years old tech) is good enough...
Grow up...
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:04pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Threatening to fork does not promote a sense of collaboration.
Again - we like Ant and it suits our needs. Moving to Maven would be a major
disruption that is simply not justified.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Hmm, That's what I did, offer to collaborate... But was just said thanks
> but no thanks.
>
> FYI It took me 30 minutes to mavenize the pivot project and was able to
> produce jar's, javadocs and sources. But of course everybody hate's
> maven...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:46pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> We understand the benefits as they apply to other projects. We just don't
> feel that they apply here.
>
> Sorry to hear that you would prefer to fork rather than collaborate, but
> that option is of course available to you.
>
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature
>> enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
>>
>> I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>
>> I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is
>> appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason
>> to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
>>
>> On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>
>>> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant
>>> 10 years ago...
>>>
>>> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
>>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>>
>>> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>>>
>>> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven?
>>>>>> It
>>>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and
>>>> sources
>>>> jar's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net>.
Seriously, pivot looks like a private club, your primary audience is java developers and you tell them that ant (10 years old tech) is good enough...
Grow up...
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:04pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Threatening to fork does not promote a sense of collaboration.
Again - we like Ant and it suits our needs. Moving to Maven would be a major disruption that is simply not justified.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Hmm, That's what I did, offer to collaborate... But was just said thanks but no thanks.
>
> FYI It took me 30 minutes to mavenize the pivot project and was able to produce jar's, javadocs and sources. But of course everybody hate's maven...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:46pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> We understand the benefits as they apply to other projects. We just don't feel that they apply here.
>
> Sorry to hear that you would prefer to fork rather than collaborate, but that option is of course available to you.
>
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
>>
>> I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>
>> I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
>>
>> On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>
>>> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>>>
>>> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
>>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>>
>>> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>>>
>>> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>>>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>>>> jar's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
Threatening to fork does not promote a sense of collaboration.
Again - we like Ant and it suits our needs. Moving to Maven would be a major disruption that is simply not justified.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Hmm, That's what I did, offer to collaborate... But was just said thanks but no thanks.
>
> FYI It took me 30 minutes to mavenize the pivot project and was able to produce jar's, javadocs and sources. But of course everybody hate's maven...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:46pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> We understand the benefits as they apply to other projects. We just don't feel that they apply here.
>
> Sorry to hear that you would prefer to fork rather than collaborate, but that option is of course available to you.
>
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
>>
>> I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>
>> I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
>>
>> On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>
>>> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>>>
>>> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
>>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>>
>>> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>>>
>>> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>>>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>>>> jar's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net>.
Hmm, That's what I did, offer to collaborate... But was just said thanks but no thanks.
FYI It took me 30 minutes to mavenize the pivot project and was able to produce jar's, javadocs and sources. But of course everybody hate's maven...
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:46pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
We understand the benefits as they apply to other projects. We just don't feel that they apply here.
Sorry to hear that you would prefer to fork rather than collaborate, but that option is of course available to you.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
>
> I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>>
>> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>
>> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>>
>> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>>> jar's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
We understand the benefits as they apply to other projects. We just don't feel that they apply here.
Sorry to hear that you would prefer to fork rather than collaborate, but that option is of course available to you.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
>
> I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>>
>> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
>> To: user@pivot.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>>
>> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>>
>> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>>> jar's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net>.
Oh well, I understand, most projects I propose maven are not mature enough to understand the benefits (not your fault, it's that way)
I guess my only choice is to fork the project...
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:17pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>
> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>
> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>
>
>
> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>
>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>
>>
>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>> jar's.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
I personally find Maven to be a bit cumbersome - but in any case, Ant is appropriate for our needs and works well, so there's no compelling reason to switch. And don't forget that Ant is an Apache project too. :-)
On May 4, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
>
> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>
> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>
>
>
> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>
>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>
>>
>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No plans to switch to Maven.
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>> jar's.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi to all,
I've just set in JIRA a patch for the maven-deploy.sh script that let
Greg / Todd publish Pivot artifacts to a local managed maven
repository. I don't have the real environment but my in tests all
works, so if someone can try it tell me so I can commit the fix and
maybe in a few days we could have the real jars in the main maven
repository.
Thanks to all.
Bye,
Sandro
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Michael Allman <ms...@allman.ms>.
Oh that's cool. Thanks for the help.
Michael
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Greg Brown wrote:
> FYI, in the meantime you can run the maven-install Ant target on the source distribution. That will build and install the Pivot libraries in your local Maven repo.
>
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Michael Allman wrote:
>
>> Sandro,
>>
>> Are you or anyone to the best of your knowledge working on putting the Pivot 1.5 release into the maven repo? There seems to be some arcane process for doing so. It would be super. I don't use Maven but I do use Ivy.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Wed, 5 May 2010, Sandro Martini wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi to all,
>>> some time ago we had some discussions about moving Pivot builds to Maven.
>>> Last year I had a prototype of this, but was rejected because we have not
>>> seen enough advantages, for many reasons (many are reported here by Dirk),
>>> so Ant is enough (Pivot doesn't have external dependencies, many tests are
>>> user-driven tests, etc).
>>>
>>> But ... this doesn't mean that we aren't maven-compatible.
>>> We've done some work to publish pivot artifacts to the central Maven
>>> repository (starting for 1.4), and for the 1.5 we are improving this, for
>>> example take a look at PIVOT-383 (
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-383 ) , I've attached a patch
>>> for our build.xml to generate pivot sources artifacts compatible with maven,
>>> and I'm waiting for other developers (I think Todd in this case) to validate
>>> this and complete the task modifying the script for deploying them to the
>>> central repository.
>>> And other small improvements for problems I've found working on simple
>>> projects done via maven ...
>>>
>>> I understand that this is not a full-y mavenized approach, but I think it's
>>> a start.
>>> And last, in next weeks I'll publish some simple examples (but outside
>>> trunk), many of them mavenized.
>>>
>>> So, anyone interested to collaborate with us is welcome.
>>>
>>> Last: Dirk, many thanks for your help (suggestions, fixes, etc) ...
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>> Sandro
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://apache-pivot-users.399431.n3.nabble.com/Mavenization-of-pivot-tp777176p778535.html
>>> Sent from the Apache Pivot - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
FYI, in the meantime you can run the maven-install Ant target on the source distribution. That will build and install the Pivot libraries in your local Maven repo.
On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Michael Allman wrote:
> Sandro,
>
> Are you or anyone to the best of your knowledge working on putting the Pivot 1.5 release into the maven repo? There seems to be some arcane process for doing so. It would be super. I don't use Maven but I do use Ivy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
> On Wed, 5 May 2010, Sandro Martini wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi to all,
>> some time ago we had some discussions about moving Pivot builds to Maven.
>> Last year I had a prototype of this, but was rejected because we have not
>> seen enough advantages, for many reasons (many are reported here by Dirk),
>> so Ant is enough (Pivot doesn't have external dependencies, many tests are
>> user-driven tests, etc).
>>
>> But ... this doesn't mean that we aren't maven-compatible.
>> We've done some work to publish pivot artifacts to the central Maven
>> repository (starting for 1.4), and for the 1.5 we are improving this, for
>> example take a look at PIVOT-383 (
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-383 ) , I've attached a patch
>> for our build.xml to generate pivot sources artifacts compatible with maven,
>> and I'm waiting for other developers (I think Todd in this case) to validate
>> this and complete the task modifying the script for deploying them to the
>> central repository.
>> And other small improvements for problems I've found working on simple
>> projects done via maven ...
>>
>> I understand that this is not a full-y mavenized approach, but I think it's
>> a start.
>> And last, in next weeks I'll publish some simple examples (but outside
>> trunk), many of them mavenized.
>>
>> So, anyone interested to collaborate with us is welcome.
>>
>> Last: Dirk, many thanks for your help (suggestions, fixes, etc) ...
>>
>> Bye,
>> Sandro
>>
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Michael,
yes, sorry for the delay, it's my fault ... I'm (slowly) updating some UNIX
scripts that let Greg or Todd publish all the Pivot artifacts to a Maven
Repository synchronized with the Main Repository (I had to create a similar
environment in a VM, and this took some time).
I hope until the end of the week to finish the changes, and ask Greg/Todd to
use it to publish artifacts in a few time.
At the moment I'm using Pivot jars deployed in a local maven repository from
the 1.5 source distribution (copied to the local repository with the
dedicated ant task in our build file), but I know it's not the best ...
I'll tell you as soon as possible.
Bye,
Sandro
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Michael Allman <ms...@allman.ms>.
Sandro,
Are you or anyone to the best of your knowledge working on putting the
Pivot 1.5 release into the maven repo? There seems to be some arcane
process for doing so. It would be super. I don't use Maven but I do use
Ivy.
Thanks.
Michael
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Sandro Martini wrote:
>
> Hi to all,
> some time ago we had some discussions about moving Pivot builds to Maven.
> Last year I had a prototype of this, but was rejected because we have not
> seen enough advantages, for many reasons (many are reported here by Dirk),
> so Ant is enough (Pivot doesn't have external dependencies, many tests are
> user-driven tests, etc).
>
> But ... this doesn't mean that we aren't maven-compatible.
> We've done some work to publish pivot artifacts to the central Maven
> repository (starting for 1.4), and for the 1.5 we are improving this, for
> example take a look at PIVOT-383 (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-383 ) , I've attached a patch
> for our build.xml to generate pivot sources artifacts compatible with maven,
> and I'm waiting for other developers (I think Todd in this case) to validate
> this and complete the task modifying the script for deploying them to the
> central repository.
> And other small improvements for problems I've found working on simple
> projects done via maven ...
>
> I understand that this is not a full-y mavenized approach, but I think it's
> a start.
> And last, in next weeks I'll publish some simple examples (but outside
> trunk), many of them mavenized.
>
> So, anyone interested to collaborate with us is welcome.
>
> Last: Dirk, many thanks for your help (suggestions, fixes, etc) ...
>
> Bye,
> Sandro
>
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi to all,
some time ago we had some discussions about moving Pivot builds to Maven.
Last year I had a prototype of this, but was rejected because we have not
seen enough advantages, for many reasons (many are reported here by Dirk),
so Ant is enough (Pivot doesn't have external dependencies, many tests are
user-driven tests, etc).
But ... this doesn't mean that we aren't maven-compatible.
We've done some work to publish pivot artifacts to the central Maven
repository (starting for 1.4), and for the 1.5 we are improving this, for
example take a look at PIVOT-383 (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-383 ) , I've attached a patch
for our build.xml to generate pivot sources artifacts compatible with maven,
and I'm waiting for other developers (I think Todd in this case) to validate
this and complete the task modifying the script for deploying them to the
central repository.
And other small improvements for problems I've found working on simple
projects done via maven ...
I understand that this is not a full-y mavenized approach, but I think it's
a start.
And last, in next weeks I'll publish some simple examples (but outside
trunk), many of them mavenized.
So, anyone interested to collaborate with us is welcome.
Last: Dirk, many thanks for your help (suggestions, fixes, etc) ...
Bye,
Sandro
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Dirk Möbius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de>.
I use Maven for 4 years now in a big enterprise project with ~200.000
loc, ~10-15 team members. Almost all of the developers would like to
switch back to Ant again, if we'd only had the time. I have used Maven
in other projects now and then, big or small. I usually don't use
strong terms such as "hate" when I describe projects or technologies,
but when I do my opinion is well-founded. I see the benefits of having
Maven for a small project such as Pivot, but I also see its
deficiencies, which are:
- cannot build the first time without having a broadband internet connection
- build suddenly breaks because someone put up a new artifact version
on the central repository (yes, this still happens, especially with
Maven's own dependencies. I am not talking about the teething troubles
back from Maven 1.0)
- build suddenly breaks because you are only using a new Maven minor
revision (2.0.9 instead of 2.0.8 for example) ==> forces every Pivot
user to use exactly the same Maven revision.
- consequence: as soon as the project gets bigger you better set up
your own private repository (admittedly not needed for Pivot)
- difficult to differentiate between transitive and non-transitive
runtime dependencies. Declaration for this seems to change every major
Maven release (1.x, 2.0, 2.2)
- surefire error reporting is poor if a test fails
- simple 'mvn clean' takes 1 minute on our 20 subprojects referenced
from the master pom, where otherwise it would just be 'rm -rf target/*'
- code coverage runs tests twice (or, if you want them to run only
once, the tests are no longer run in the 'test' phase)
- security issues: you'll have to trust all developers with write
access to ibiblio (thousands). It's easy to put up a poisioned
artifact, because checksums are kept in the same repository, in the
same location.
- have to explain every two weeks to a newbie how to set up Maven so
it works behind a corporate firewall
- Maven is a memory hog
- Maven downloads the internet
My apologies for using that emotional hate term without delivering a
proper explanation; it surely didn't help to avoid a flame war. But
your comments were no help either.
Regards,
Dirk.
Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net> wrote:
> Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce
> ant 10 years ago...
>
> I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
> To: user@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
>
> Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
>
> (I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
>
>
>
> On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
>
>> Thank god - I hate maven.
>>
>>
>> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >No plans to switch to Maven.
>> >
>> >On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
>> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
>> jar's.
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net>.
Oh boy... I had the same kind of reactions when I tried to introduce ant 10 years ago...
I don't know of any serious project today not using maven.
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Christopher Brind" <ch...@googlemail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:17pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
(I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
> Thank god - I hate maven.
>
>
> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >No plans to switch to Maven.
> >
> >On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
> jar's.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >
>
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Christopher Brind <ch...@googlemail.com>.
Maven is the marmite of the software world. :)
(I'm not a fan either, to be honest.)
On 4 May 2010 23:14, Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de> wrote:
> Thank god - I hate maven.
>
>
> "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >No plans to switch to Maven.
> >
> >On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It
> would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources
> jar's.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >
>
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Dirk Moebius <dm...@scoop-gmbh.de>.
Thank god - I hate maven.
"Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
>No plans to switch to Maven.
>
>On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources jar's.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>
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Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Patrick Shea <pa...@ps1.net>.
Any interest? I'm surprise that's not one of the requirement at Apache.
You already have the basic poms, I can easily add to them what's needed to compile/test/install without affecting the current directory structure.
At least someone can do a svn co/mvn install out of the box.
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Brown" <gk...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 3:46pm
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mavenization of pivot?
No plans to switch to Maven.
On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources jar's.
>
> Patrick
>
Re: Mavenization of pivot?
Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
No plans to switch to Maven.
On May 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Shea wrote:
> Is there any plan to get rid of ant and switch completely to maven? It would be nice to be able to compile easily, produce javadocs and sources jar's.
>
> Patrick
>