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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com> on 2006/02/02 12:02:22 UTC
Re: business process engine source donation
Hi Cory,
just been walking through the code - looks very well put together -
this will really enhance Apache ServiceMix - so I hope will quickly
be accepted!
cheers,
Rob
On 1 Feb 2006, at 19:20, cory wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The ServiceMix project provides a good JBI platform but its currently
> lacking a service orchestration engine. We have a Business Process
> Engine
> that we'd like to donate to the ServiceMix project. It handles
> orchestration of message exchanges along with support for open
> standards like BPEL 1.1 and is easy to integrate into ServiceMix.
> You can
> review the code here at:
>
> ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/bpe-src.tar.gz
>
> The code is currently licensed under a Sybase evaluation license but
> we are happy to supply an Apache licensed version assuming the code is
> acceptable to the ServiceMix community. We are also happy to change
> the package names to conform to Apache. We would be happy to help
> support this aspect of ServiceMix within your community and work
> closely with others to improve the engine and take it to the next
> level. Would you be interested in accepting an Apache version of the
> message orchestration code?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cory Harper
Re: business process engine source donation
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
On 2 Feb 2006, at 12:52, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Sorry to be a PITA but can someone explain to me the connection
> between
> a JBI impl and a BPEL engine??
JBI is the JSR approved standard API to integration components and an
ESB container is the standard container model for a BPE; so it makes
sense to work on a BPE in conjunction with a JBI container and
component framework along with the JBI community at Apache
(ServiceMix) to ensure they all work nicely together. I'm sure other
projects can reuse the resulting code; just like I'm sure other
projects can use the JBI container etc. (e.g. the JBI container could
be embedded inside Synapse or Tuscany or even Axis).
> Why would this not fit better within that project, just as
> Twister was made to become part of that?
Given the completed state of the BPE code and the symbiotic nature of
the JBI project and BPE I don't see a big need to put this BPE within
an incubating umbrella project of other in-development workflow engines.
James
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Re: business process engine source donation
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
On 2 Feb 2006, at 12:52, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Sorry to be a PITA but can someone explain to me the connection
> between
> a JBI impl and a BPEL engine??
JBI is the JSR approved standard API to integration components and an
ESB container is the standard container model for a BPE; so it makes
sense to work on a BPE in conjunction with a JBI container and
component framework along with the JBI community at Apache
(ServiceMix) to ensure they all work nicely together. I'm sure other
projects can reuse the resulting code; just like I'm sure other
projects can use the JBI container etc. (e.g. the JBI container could
be embedded inside Synapse or Tuscany or even Axis).
> Why would this not fit better within that project, just as
> Twister was made to become part of that?
Given the completed state of the BPE code and the symbiotic nature of
the JBI project and BPE I don't see a big need to put this BPE within
an incubating umbrella project of other in-development workflow engines.
James
-------
http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
Re: business process engine source donation
Posted by Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sanjiva,
I sent the email 3 times (I think) - I'm having problems seeing email
from gmail - so it didn't look like it was getting through - so
apologies foe all my luv :)
ServiceMix is an ESB - which just happens to be based around a JBI
Container. Although the market definition is loose and fast for an
ESB, there is growing consensus that ESB's require a business process
engine. If you couple this with JBI being a good container for BPEL -
then ServiceMix seems the obvious place for this donation to go if
accepted.
If you've looked at the proposed donated code, this BPEL engine is
complete, I can't see any sense in combining it with something else ?
cheers,
Rob
On 2 Feb 2006, at 12:52, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Wow what a love fest ;-).
>
> Sorry to be a PITA but can someone explain to me the connection
> between
> a JBI impl and a BPEL engine?? Why does it make sense for this to
> become
> a part of ServiceMix? In fact, what's the relationship to Geronimo at
> all? Can someone indicate the coupling points?
>
> Also, Geir, what's happening with the other incubating BPEL project
> Agila? Why would this not fit better within that project, just as
> Twister was made to become part of that?
>
> Sanjiva.
>
> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 11:02 +0000, Rob Davies wrote:
>> Hi Cory,
>>
>> just been walking through the code - looks very well put together -
>> this will really enhance Apache ServiceMix - so I hope will quickly
>> be accepted!
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 1 Feb 2006, at 19:20, cory wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The ServiceMix project provides a good JBI platform but its
>>> currently
>>> lacking a service orchestration engine. We have a Business Process
>>> Engine
>>> that we'd like to donate to the ServiceMix project. It handles
>>> orchestration of message exchanges along with support for open
>>> standards like BPEL 1.1 and is easy to integrate into ServiceMix.
>>> You can
>>> review the code here at:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/bpe-src.tar.gz
>>>
>>> The code is currently licensed under a Sybase evaluation license but
>>> we are happy to supply an Apache licensed version assuming the
>>> code is
>>> acceptable to the ServiceMix community. We are also happy to change
>>> the package names to conform to Apache. We would be happy to help
>>> support this aspect of ServiceMix within your community and work
>>> closely with others to improve the engine and take it to the next
>>> level. Would you be interested in accepting an Apache version of
>>> the
>>> message orchestration code?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Cory Harper
>>
>
Re: business process engine source donation
Posted by Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sanjiva,
I sent the email 3 times (I think) - I'm having problems seeing email
from gmail - so it didn't look like it was getting through - so
apologies foe all my luv :)
ServiceMix is an ESB - which just happens to be based around a JBI
Container. Although the market definition is loose and fast for an
ESB, there is growing consensus that ESB's require a business process
engine. If you couple this with JBI being a good container for BPEL -
then ServiceMix seems the obvious place for this donation to go if
accepted.
If you've looked at the proposed donated code, this BPEL engine is
complete, I can't see any sense in combining it with something else ?
cheers,
Rob
On 2 Feb 2006, at 12:52, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Wow what a love fest ;-).
>
> Sorry to be a PITA but can someone explain to me the connection
> between
> a JBI impl and a BPEL engine?? Why does it make sense for this to
> become
> a part of ServiceMix? In fact, what's the relationship to Geronimo at
> all? Can someone indicate the coupling points?
>
> Also, Geir, what's happening with the other incubating BPEL project
> Agila? Why would this not fit better within that project, just as
> Twister was made to become part of that?
>
> Sanjiva.
>
> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 11:02 +0000, Rob Davies wrote:
>> Hi Cory,
>>
>> just been walking through the code - looks very well put together -
>> this will really enhance Apache ServiceMix - so I hope will quickly
>> be accepted!
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 1 Feb 2006, at 19:20, cory wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The ServiceMix project provides a good JBI platform but its
>>> currently
>>> lacking a service orchestration engine. We have a Business Process
>>> Engine
>>> that we'd like to donate to the ServiceMix project. It handles
>>> orchestration of message exchanges along with support for open
>>> standards like BPEL 1.1 and is easy to integrate into ServiceMix.
>>> You can
>>> review the code here at:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/bpe-src.tar.gz
>>>
>>> The code is currently licensed under a Sybase evaluation license but
>>> we are happy to supply an Apache licensed version assuming the
>>> code is
>>> acceptable to the ServiceMix community. We are also happy to change
>>> the package names to conform to Apache. We would be happy to help
>>> support this aspect of ServiceMix within your community and work
>>> closely with others to improve the engine and take it to the next
>>> level. Would you be interested in accepting an Apache version of
>>> the
>>> message orchestration code?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Cory Harper
>>
>
Re: business process engine source donation
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
Wow what a love fest ;-).
Sorry to be a PITA but can someone explain to me the connection between
a JBI impl and a BPEL engine?? Why does it make sense for this to become
a part of ServiceMix? In fact, what's the relationship to Geronimo at
all? Can someone indicate the coupling points?
Also, Geir, what's happening with the other incubating BPEL project
Agila? Why would this not fit better within that project, just as
Twister was made to become part of that?
Sanjiva.
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 11:02 +0000, Rob Davies wrote:
> Hi Cory,
>
> just been walking through the code - looks very well put together -
> this will really enhance Apache ServiceMix - so I hope will quickly
> be accepted!
>
> cheers,
>
> Rob
>
> On 1 Feb 2006, at 19:20, cory wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The ServiceMix project provides a good JBI platform but its currently
> > lacking a service orchestration engine. We have a Business Process
> > Engine
> > that we'd like to donate to the ServiceMix project. It handles
> > orchestration of message exchanges along with support for open
> > standards like BPEL 1.1 and is easy to integrate into ServiceMix.
> > You can
> > review the code here at:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/bpe-src.tar.gz
> >
> > The code is currently licensed under a Sybase evaluation license but
> > we are happy to supply an Apache licensed version assuming the code is
> > acceptable to the ServiceMix community. We are also happy to change
> > the package names to conform to Apache. We would be happy to help
> > support this aspect of ServiceMix within your community and work
> > closely with others to improve the engine and take it to the next
> > level. Would you be interested in accepting an Apache version of the
> > message orchestration code?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Cory Harper
>
Re: business process engine source donation
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
Wow what a love fest ;-).
Sorry to be a PITA but can someone explain to me the connection between
a JBI impl and a BPEL engine?? Why does it make sense for this to become
a part of ServiceMix? In fact, what's the relationship to Geronimo at
all? Can someone indicate the coupling points?
Also, Geir, what's happening with the other incubating BPEL project
Agila? Why would this not fit better within that project, just as
Twister was made to become part of that?
Sanjiva.
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 11:02 +0000, Rob Davies wrote:
> Hi Cory,
>
> just been walking through the code - looks very well put together -
> this will really enhance Apache ServiceMix - so I hope will quickly
> be accepted!
>
> cheers,
>
> Rob
>
> On 1 Feb 2006, at 19:20, cory wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The ServiceMix project provides a good JBI platform but its currently
> > lacking a service orchestration engine. We have a Business Process
> > Engine
> > that we'd like to donate to the ServiceMix project. It handles
> > orchestration of message exchanges along with support for open
> > standards like BPEL 1.1 and is easy to integrate into ServiceMix.
> > You can
> > review the code here at:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/bpe-src.tar.gz
> >
> > The code is currently licensed under a Sybase evaluation license but
> > we are happy to supply an Apache licensed version assuming the code is
> > acceptable to the ServiceMix community. We are also happy to change
> > the package names to conform to Apache. We would be happy to help
> > support this aspect of ServiceMix within your community and work
> > closely with others to improve the engine and take it to the next
> > level. Would you be interested in accepting an Apache version of the
> > message orchestration code?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Cory Harper
>