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Posted to dev@tomee.apache.org by Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org> on 2012/05/29 15:26:04 UTC
ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
"Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
[]s,
Thiago.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
To: dev@openejb.apache.org
nop :p
- Romain
2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> You are a troll again aren't you :D
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of the
> logs)
> >
> > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope so at
> > least)
> >
> > - Romain
> >
> >
> > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> >
> >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
hangs
> >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
> should be
> >> able to handle it.
> >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can load
the
> >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
> interface
> >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you think?
> >>
> >> >> Eclipse RAP
> >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
> take a
> >> look. Thanks!
> >>
> >> Thiago.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending on the
> >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
> >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
> >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand would
> >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
such
> >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
> >> >
> >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
perspective/view
> >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
> >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
> >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Daniel
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to read
> the
> >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
> >> > >
> >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are floating
in
> >> > > similar to digg.com?
> >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
> experience
> >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have this
> >> feature
> >> > > available at the server side.
> >> > >
> >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel and
> two
> >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
> >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
> >> > >
> >> > > What you guys think?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
> >> > > []s,
> >> > > Thiago.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make sense to
> >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen so log
> >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
where
> >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Cheers
> >> > >> Daniel
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
> thiago@veronezi.org
> >> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > Guys,
> >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
> webapp.
> >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new one
> which
> >> > will
> >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree and
> the
> >> > tomee
> >> > >> > log file.
> >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
> >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > What do you think?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >> > >> > Thiago.
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
hmm we will not use eclipse right?
dont eat too much dependencies to avoid to be too fat for simple needs :p
- Romain
2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> As long as we don't create our own " Eclipse RAP" project, we wont have
> problems, right?
>
> Licencing... so boring!
>
> []s,
> Thiago.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
> > "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
> > http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
> >
> > []s,
> > Thiago.
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
> > To: dev@openejb.apache.org
> >
> >
> > nop :p
> >
> > - Romain
> >
> >
> > 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >
> > > You are a troll again aren't you :D
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of the
> > > logs)
> > > >
> > > > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope so
> > at
> > > > least)
> > > >
> > > > - Romain
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> > > >
> > > >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
> > hangs
> > > >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
> > > should be
> > > >> able to handle it.
> > > >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can load
> > the
> > > >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
> > > interface
> > > >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you think?
> > > >>
> > > >> >> Eclipse RAP
> > > >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
> > > take a
> > > >> look. Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> Thiago.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending on
> > the
> > > >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
> > > >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
> > > >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand
> would
> > > >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
> > such
> > > >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
> > perspective/view
> > > >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
> > > >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
> > > >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cheers
> > > >> > Daniel
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <
> > thiago@veronezi.org
> > > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to
> read
> > > the
> > > >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are
> floating
> > in
> > > >> > > similar to digg.com?
> > > >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
> > > experience
> > > >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have
> this
> > > >> feature
> > > >> > > available at the server side.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel
> and
> > > two
> > > >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
> > > >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > What you guys think?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
> > > >> > > []s,
> > > >> > > Thiago.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <
> > daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
> > > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make sense
> > to
> > > >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen so
> > log
> > > >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
> > where
> > > >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Cheers
> > > >> > >> Daniel
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
> > > thiago@veronezi.org
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > >> > >> > Guys,
> > > >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
> > > webapp.
> > > >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new
> one
> > > which
> > > >> > will
> > > >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree
> and
> > > the
> > > >> > tomee
> > > >> > >> > log file.
> > > >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
> > > >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > What do you think?
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > >> > Thiago.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>.
As long as we don't create our own " Eclipse RAP" project, we wont have
problems, right?
Licencing... so boring!
[]s,
Thiago.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>wrote:
> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
>
> []s,
> Thiago.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
>
>
> nop :p
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>
> > You are a troll again aren't you :D
> >
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> > <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of the
> > logs)
> > >
> > > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope so
> at
> > > least)
> > >
> > > - Romain
> > >
> > >
> > > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> > >
> > >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
> hangs
> > >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
> > should be
> > >> able to handle it.
> > >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can load
> the
> > >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
> > interface
> > >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you think?
> > >>
> > >> >> Eclipse RAP
> > >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
> > take a
> > >> look. Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Thiago.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending on
> the
> > >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
> > >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
> > >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand would
> > >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
> such
> > >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
> > >> >
> > >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
> perspective/view
> > >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
> > >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
> > >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers
> > >> > Daniel
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <
> thiago@veronezi.org
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to read
> > the
> > >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are floating
> in
> > >> > > similar to digg.com?
> > >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
> > experience
> > >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have this
> > >> feature
> > >> > > available at the server side.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel and
> > two
> > >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
> > >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What you guys think?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
> > >> > > []s,
> > >> > > Thiago.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <
> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make sense
> to
> > >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen so
> log
> > >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
> where
> > >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Cheers
> > >> > >> Daniel
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
> > thiago@veronezi.org
> > >> >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >> > Guys,
> > >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
> > webapp.
> > >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new one
> > which
> > >> > will
> > >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree and
> > the
> > >> > tomee
> > >> > >> > log file.
> > >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
> > >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > What do you think?
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > >> > Thiago.
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>
>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
On May 29, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> tomcat bring a compiler under this lincence i think
Exactly.
-David
>
> 2012/5/29 David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>
>
>>
>> On May 29, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Thiago Veronezi wrote:
>>
>>> I dont think we should use Eclipse at this time, but at least now we have
>>> documented something about the licences compatibility issue.
>>> Thanks guys!
>>
>> Note, we already ship code in TomEE under the EPL and is listed in the
>> LICENSE file.
>>
>> That said, keeping the binaries super tiny is definitely a plus.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Stephen Connolly <
>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is our policy for what it is worth:
>>>> http://maven.apache.org/developers/dependency-policies.html
>>>>
>>>> Note: our policy has some h(y|i)st(e|o)rical reasons for existence as
>>>> well, ones which OpenEJB may not feel necessary...
>>>>
>>>> On 29 May 2012 15:06, Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> My understanding is that if you depend on the binaries and not the
>>>>> source, then you are "ok"... over in Maven Land we instituted a policy
>>>>> that Category B licenses (http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html) as
>>>>> dependencies in core had to be approved by a strict majority of the
>>>>> PMC. Plugins published at Maven are allowed to add Category B licenses
>>>>> without such approval, but we felt that core is too core.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 May 2012 15:00, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
>>>>>> authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
>>>>>> a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
>>>>>> would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
>>>>>> consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
>>>>>> default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
>>>>>> my comment about RAP :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and
>> the
>>>>>>> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
>>>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> []s,
>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
>>>>>>> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nop :p
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Romain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>>>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> logs)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope
>>>> so at
>>>>>>>>> least)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Romain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
>>>>>>> hangs
>>>>>>>>>> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>> able to handle it.
>>>>>>>>>> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can
>>>> load
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you
>>>> think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eclipse RAP
>>>>>>>>>> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will
>> definitely
>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>> look. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <
>>>> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending
>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
>>>>>>>>>>> abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand
>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>> abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
>>>>>>> perspective/view
>>>>>>>>>>> concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
>>>>>>>>>>> overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
>>>>>>>>>>> lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <
>>>> thiago@veronezi.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to
>>>> read
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are
>>>> floating
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to digg.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have
>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>>>>>> available at the server side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>> extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you guys think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>>>>>>>>>>> []s,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <
>>>> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make
>>>> sense to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen
>>>> so log
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
>>>>>>>> thiago@veronezi.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
>>>>>>>> webapp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new
>>>> one
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> tomee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> log file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please check the mockup I created for it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
tomcat bring a compiler under this lincence i think
- Romain
2012/5/29 David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>
>
> On May 29, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Thiago Veronezi wrote:
>
> > I dont think we should use Eclipse at this time, but at least now we have
> > documented something about the licences compatibility issue.
> > Thanks guys!
>
> Note, we already ship code in TomEE under the EPL and is listed in the
> LICENSE file.
>
> That said, keeping the binaries super tiny is definitely a plus.
>
> -David
>
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Stephen Connolly <
> > stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is our policy for what it is worth:
> >> http://maven.apache.org/developers/dependency-policies.html
> >>
> >> Note: our policy has some h(y|i)st(e|o)rical reasons for existence as
> >> well, ones which OpenEJB may not feel necessary...
> >>
> >> On 29 May 2012 15:06, Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>> My understanding is that if you depend on the binaries and not the
> >>> source, then you are "ok"... over in Maven Land we instituted a policy
> >>> that Category B licenses (http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html) as
> >>> dependencies in core had to be approved by a strict majority of the
> >>> PMC. Plugins published at Maven are allowed to add Category B licenses
> >>> without such approval, but we felt that core is too core.
> >>>
> >>> On 29 May 2012 15:00, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>> To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
> >>>> authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
> >>>> a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
> >>>> would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
> >>>> consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
> >>>> default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
> >>>> my comment about RAP :)
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>>> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and
> the
> >>>>> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
> >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
> >>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
> >>>>>
> >>>>> []s,
> >>>>> Thiago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
> >>>>> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nop :p
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Romain
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> >>>>>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of
> >> the
> >>>>>> logs)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope
> >> so at
> >>>>>>> least)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Romain
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
> >>>>> hangs
> >>>>>>>> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
> >>>>>> should be
> >>>>>>>> able to handle it.
> >>>>>>>> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can
> >> load
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
> >>>>>> interface
> >>>>>>>> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you
> >> think?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Eclipse RAP
> >>>>>>>> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will
> definitely
> >>>>>> take a
> >>>>>>>> look. Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thiago.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <
> >> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending
> >> on the
> >>>>>>>>> framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
> >>>>>>>>> abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
> >>>>>>>>> capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand
> >> would
> >>>>>>>>> not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
> >>>>> such
> >>>>>>>>> abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
> >>>>> perspective/view
> >>>>>>>>> concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
> >>>>>>>>> overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
> >>>>>>>>> lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <
> >> thiago@veronezi.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to
> >> read
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are
> >> floating
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> similar to digg.com?
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
> >>>>>> experience
> >>>>>>>>>> with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have
> >> this
> >>>>>>>> feature
> >>>>>>>>>> available at the server side.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel
> >> and
> >>>>>> two
> >>>>>>>>>> extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
> >>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What you guys think?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback!
> >>>>>>>>>> []s,
> >>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <
> >> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make
> >> sense to
> >>>>>>>>>>> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen
> >> so log
> >>>>>>>>>>> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
> >>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
> >>>>>> thiago@veronezi.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
> >>>>>> webapp.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new
> >> one
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree
> >> and
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> tomee
> >>>>>>>>>>>> log file.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please check the mockup I created for it:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
>
>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
On May 29, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Thiago Veronezi wrote:
> I dont think we should use Eclipse at this time, but at least now we have
> documented something about the licences compatibility issue.
> Thanks guys!
Note, we already ship code in TomEE under the EPL and is listed in the LICENSE file.
That said, keeping the binaries super tiny is definitely a plus.
-David
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is our policy for what it is worth:
>> http://maven.apache.org/developers/dependency-policies.html
>>
>> Note: our policy has some h(y|i)st(e|o)rical reasons for existence as
>> well, ones which OpenEJB may not feel necessary...
>>
>> On 29 May 2012 15:06, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> My understanding is that if you depend on the binaries and not the
>>> source, then you are "ok"... over in Maven Land we instituted a policy
>>> that Category B licenses (http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html) as
>>> dependencies in core had to be approved by a strict majority of the
>>> PMC. Plugins published at Maven are allowed to add Category B licenses
>>> without such approval, but we felt that core is too core.
>>>
>>> On 29 May 2012 15:00, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
>>>> authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
>>>> a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
>>>> would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
>>>> consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
>>>> default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
>>>> my comment about RAP :)
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
>>>>> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
>>>>>
>>>>> []s,
>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
>>>>> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> nop :p
>>>>>
>>>>> - Romain
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of
>> the
>>>>>> logs)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope
>> so at
>>>>>>> least)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Romain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
>>>>> hangs
>>>>>>>> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>> able to handle it.
>>>>>>>> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can
>> load
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you
>> think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eclipse RAP
>>>>>>>> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>> look. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <
>> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending
>> on the
>>>>>>>>> framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
>>>>>>>>> abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
>>>>>>>>> capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand
>> would
>>>>>>>>> not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
>>>>> perspective/view
>>>>>>>>> concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
>>>>>>>>> overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
>>>>>>>>> lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <
>> thiago@veronezi.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to
>> read
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are
>> floating
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> similar to digg.com?
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>> with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have
>> this
>>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>>>> available at the server side.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel
>> and
>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>> extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
>>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you guys think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>>>>>>>>> []s,
>>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <
>> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make
>> sense to
>>>>>>>>>>> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen
>> so log
>>>>>>>>>>> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
>>>>>> thiago@veronezi.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
>>>>>> webapp.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new
>> one
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree
>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> tomee
>>>>>>>>>>>> log file.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please check the mockup I created for it:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thiago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>.
I dont think we should use Eclipse at this time, but at least now we have
documented something about the licences compatibility issue.
Thanks guys!
[]s,
Thiago.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Stephen Connolly <
stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is our policy for what it is worth:
> http://maven.apache.org/developers/dependency-policies.html
>
> Note: our policy has some h(y|i)st(e|o)rical reasons for existence as
> well, ones which OpenEJB may not feel necessary...
>
> On 29 May 2012 15:06, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > My understanding is that if you depend on the binaries and not the
> > source, then you are "ok"... over in Maven Land we instituted a policy
> > that Category B licenses (http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html) as
> > dependencies in core had to be approved by a strict majority of the
> > PMC. Plugins published at Maven are allowed to add Category B licenses
> > without such approval, but we felt that core is too core.
> >
> > On 29 May 2012 15:00, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
> >> authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
> >> a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
> >> would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
> >> consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
> >> default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
> >> my comment about RAP :)
> >>
> >> [1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
> >>> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
> >>> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
> >>>
> >>> []s,
> >>> Thiago.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
> >>> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> nop :p
> >>>
> >>> - Romain
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >>>
> >>>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> >>>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of
> the
> >>>> logs)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope
> so at
> >>>> > least)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > - Romain
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
> >>> hangs
> >>>> >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
> >>>> should be
> >>>> >> able to handle it.
> >>>> >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can
> load
> >>> the
> >>>> >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
> >>>> interface
> >>>> >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you
> think?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >> Eclipse RAP
> >>>> >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
> >>>> take a
> >>>> >> look. Thanks!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Thiago.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <
> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending
> on the
> >>>> >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
> >>>> >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
> >>>> >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand
> would
> >>>> >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
> >>> such
> >>>> >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
> >>> perspective/view
> >>>> >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
> >>>> >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
> >>>> >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Cheers
> >>>> >> > Daniel
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <
> thiago@veronezi.org
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to
> read
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are
> floating
> >>> in
> >>>> >> > > similar to digg.com?
> >>>> >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
> >>>> experience
> >>>> >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have
> this
> >>>> >> feature
> >>>> >> > > available at the server side.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel
> and
> >>>> two
> >>>> >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
> >>>> >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > What you guys think?
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
> >>>> >> > > []s,
> >>>> >> > > Thiago.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <
> daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make
> sense to
> >>>> >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen
> so log
> >>>> >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
> >>> where
> >>>> >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
> >>>> >> > >>
> >>>> >> > >> Cheers
> >>>> >> > >> Daniel
> >>>> >> > >>
> >>>> >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
> >>>> thiago@veronezi.org
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >>>> >> > >> > Guys,
> >>>> >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
> >>>> webapp.
> >>>> >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new
> one
> >>>> which
> >>>> >> > will
> >>>> >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree
> and
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> > tomee
> >>>> >> > >> > log file.
> >>>> >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
> >>>> >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
> >>>> >> > >> >
> >>>> >> > >> > What do you think?
> >>>> >> > >> >
> >>>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >>>> >> > >> > Thiago.
> >>>> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.
Here is our policy for what it is worth:
http://maven.apache.org/developers/dependency-policies.html
Note: our policy has some h(y|i)st(e|o)rical reasons for existence as
well, ones which OpenEJB may not feel necessary...
On 29 May 2012 15:06, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that if you depend on the binaries and not the
> source, then you are "ok"... over in Maven Land we instituted a policy
> that Category B licenses (http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html) as
> dependencies in core had to be approved by a strict majority of the
> PMC. Plugins published at Maven are allowed to add Category B licenses
> without such approval, but we felt that core is too core.
>
> On 29 May 2012 15:00, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
>> authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
>> a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
>> would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
>> consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
>> default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
>> my comment about RAP :)
>>
>> [1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
>>
>> Cheers
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org> wrote:
>>> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
>>> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
>>>
>>> []s,
>>> Thiago.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
>>> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> nop :p
>>>
>>> - Romain
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>>>
>>>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of the
>>>> logs)
>>>> >
>>>> > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope so at
>>>> > least)
>>>> >
>>>> > - Romain
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
>>>> >
>>>> >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
>>> hangs
>>>> >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
>>>> should be
>>>> >> able to handle it.
>>>> >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can load
>>> the
>>>> >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
>>>> interface
>>>> >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you think?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> Eclipse RAP
>>>> >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
>>>> take a
>>>> >> look. Thanks!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thiago.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending on the
>>>> >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
>>>> >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
>>>> >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand would
>>>> >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
>>> such
>>>> >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
>>> perspective/view
>>>> >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
>>>> >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
>>>> >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Cheers
>>>> >> > Daniel
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
>>>> >
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to read
>>>> the
>>>> >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are floating
>>> in
>>>> >> > > similar to digg.com?
>>>> >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
>>>> experience
>>>> >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have this
>>>> >> feature
>>>> >> > > available at the server side.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel and
>>>> two
>>>> >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
>>>> >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > What you guys think?
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
>>>> >> > > []s,
>>>> >> > > Thiago.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
>>>> >
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make sense to
>>>> >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen so log
>>>> >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
>>> where
>>>> >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Cheers
>>>> >> > >> Daniel
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
>>>> thiago@veronezi.org
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > Guys,
>>>> >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
>>>> webapp.
>>>> >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new one
>>>> which
>>>> >> > will
>>>> >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree and
>>>> the
>>>> >> > tomee
>>>> >> > >> > log file.
>>>> >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
>>>> >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > What do you think?
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > Thanks,
>>>> >> > >> > Thiago.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.
My understanding is that if you depend on the binaries and not the
source, then you are "ok"... over in Maven Land we instituted a policy
that Category B licenses (http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html) as
dependencies in core had to be approved by a strict majority of the
PMC. Plugins published at Maven are allowed to add Category B licenses
without such approval, but we felt that core is too core.
On 29 May 2012 15:00, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
> authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
> a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
> would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
> consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
> default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
> my comment about RAP :)
>
> [1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org> wrote:
>> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
>> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
>> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
>>
>> []s,
>> Thiago.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
>> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
>>
>>
>> nop :p
>>
>> - Romain
>>
>>
>> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>>
>>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of the
>>> logs)
>>> >
>>> > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope so at
>>> > least)
>>> >
>>> > - Romain
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
>>> >
>>> >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
>> hangs
>>> >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
>>> should be
>>> >> able to handle it.
>>> >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can load
>> the
>>> >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
>>> interface
>>> >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you think?
>>> >>
>>> >> >> Eclipse RAP
>>> >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
>>> take a
>>> >> look. Thanks!
>>> >>
>>> >> Thiago.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending on the
>>> >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
>>> >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
>>> >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand would
>>> >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
>> such
>>> >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
>> perspective/view
>>> >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
>>> >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
>>> >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cheers
>>> >> > Daniel
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
>>> >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to read
>>> the
>>> >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are floating
>> in
>>> >> > > similar to digg.com?
>>> >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
>>> experience
>>> >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have this
>>> >> feature
>>> >> > > available at the server side.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel and
>>> two
>>> >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
>>> >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > What you guys think?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
>>> >> > > []s,
>>> >> > > Thiago.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
>>> >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make sense to
>>> >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen so log
>>> >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
>> where
>>> >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> Cheers
>>> >> > >> Daniel
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
>>> thiago@veronezi.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> > Guys,
>>> >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
>>> webapp.
>>> >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new one
>>> which
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree and
>>> the
>>> >> > tomee
>>> >> > >> > log file.
>>> >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
>>> >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > What do you think?
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Thanks,
>>> >> > >> > Thiago.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>>
Re: ASF and Eclipse Public Licence
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
To answer your question - I found this site [1]. Tho, don't know how
authoritative it is. Concerning RAP - I mentioned it cause it provides
a way to deal with UI programming in a more traditional way like you
would do if using AWT/SWT/Swing or MFC... not sure whether we should
consider it for the task at hand. Maybe at least probably not for the
default implementation of a TomEE UI. Sorry if I distracted you with
my comment about RAP :)
[1] http://thewiki4opentech.org/index.php/Licenses_compatibility
Cheers
Daniel
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org> wrote:
> Are we going to have problems with the "Eclipse Public License" and the
> "Apache Licence". I don't find a place stating they are compatible.
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php
>
> []s,
> Thiago.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: tomee webapp proposal
> To: dev@openejb.apache.org
>
>
> nop :p
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/5/29 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>
>> You are a troll again aren't you :D
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > +1 for refrech button (wouldnt loose any resource for a refesh of the
>> logs)
>> >
>> > eclipse eclipse...all modular apps are not eclipse like :p (i hope so at
>> > least)
>> >
>> > - Romain
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/5/29 Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>
>> >
>> >> There is no secret with long-polling. It is just an ajax call that
> hangs
>> >> longer than the usual ones. Websockets are different: the browser
>> should be
>> >> able to handle it.
>> >> To make it simple we can just add a "refresh button", so we can load
> the
>> >> log with regular ajax calls. Once the first version of this new
>> interface
>> >> is done we can add the autorefresh functionality. What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> >> Eclipse RAP
>> >> First time a hear about it. It looks very cool!!! I will definitely
>> take a
>> >> look. Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Thiago.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Concerning long-polling (Comet, WebSockets etc. pp), depending on the
>> >> > framework you use the actual polling implementation is getting
>> >> > abstracted. So the user would get the impl depending on the
>> >> > capabilities provided by the browser and you on the other hand would
>> >> > not need to worrie about such technical details. I know Dojo does
> such
>> >> > abstraction... not sure about jQuery...
>> >> >
>> >> > PS: The Mockup reminds me very much about the Eclipse
> perspective/view
>> >> > concept. Probably using Eclipse RAP for the UI would be an
>> >> > overkill/unsuitable but there you would get such UI
>> >> > lay-outing/structuring mechanisms for free :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> > Daniel
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thiago Veronezi <thiago@veronezi.org
>> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > Yes, It makes more sense, otherwise it would be very hard to read
>> the
>> >> > > log... which doesn't make sense. :O)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> Will it be a live log viewer where new log entries are floating
> in
>> >> > > similar to digg.com?
>> >> > > Yes. For that I plan to use long-polling (something I have
>> experience
>> >> > > with), but websockets are the perfect alternative if we have this
>> >> feature
>> >> > > available at the server side.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I created another mockup with a new position for the log panel and
>> two
>> >> > > extra panels (MDB and Webservices):
>> >> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_v2.png
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What you guys think?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks for the feedback!
>> >> > > []s,
>> >> > > Thiago.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM, dsh <daniel.haischt@googlemail.com
>> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> One thought concerning the log view - maybe it would make sense to
>> >> > >> have it at the bottom where it could span the entire screen so log
>> >> > >> messages can be digested easier. Will it be a live log viewer
> where
>> >> > >> new log entries are floating in similar to digg.com?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Cheers
>> >> > >> Daniel
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Thiago Veronezi <
>> thiago@veronezi.org
>> >> >
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > Guys,
>> >> > >> > I need your feedback about what I have in mind for the new
>> webapp.
>> >> > >> > Basically I want to replace all the pages we have by a new one
>> which
>> >> > will
>> >> > >> > give the user the access to a script console, the jndi tree and
>> the
>> >> > tomee
>> >> > >> > log file.
>> >> > >> > Please check the mockup I created for it:
>> >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1459144/tomee_webapp.png
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > What do you think?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks,
>> >> > >> > Thiago.
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>