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Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Dear podling,
This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC.
It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly
board report.
The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 December 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The report
for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator PMC
requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow
sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Dec 5th).
Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC, and
subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you
should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
Thanks,
The Apache Incubator PMC
Submitting your Report
----------------------
Your report should contain the following:
* Your project name
* A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the project
or necessarily of its field
* A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards
graduation.
* Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware of
* How has the community developed since the last report
* How has the project developed since the last report.
This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
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created from a template.
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project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the Incubator PMC.
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>.
On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 22:04 +0000, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 13 December 2012 21:45, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >
> > >> But a close-to-zero month
> > >> for those parameters says a lot about how inactive the community is, if
> > >> you're interested in that.
> > >
> > > Well that's just it, we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
> > > statistic.
> >
> > If I might clarify something that Ross is saying here ... (and taking the
> > remark completely out of context to make the point)
> >
> > Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics
> > - statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of
> > a project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of
> > statistic.
>
>
> ...
>
>
> When Ross says that we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
> > statistic, he is *not* saying that your contributions aren't welcome or
> > wanted on the Allura project, but rather that the ASF governance (the
> > board) is interested in other kinds of things in reports to the board.
>
>
> Thanks for clarifying this Rich. I can assure the community that this is
> indeed what I meant. In fact I said as much in the same mail the above
> quote is taken from:
>
> "Note, this doesn't mean individual PMCs would not find these indicators
> helpful."
>
> I hope nobody misunderstood my comments in the way Rich feels they may
> have. If anyone did please be reassured so I concur with Rich'
> clarifications.
>
> Ross
Once again, thanks for taking the time to clarify. But in this case, I
had understood Ross exactly that way. After all, we have talked some
times about metrics, Ross ;-)
Saludos,
Jesus.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 13 December 2012 21:45, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> >> But a close-to-zero month
> >> for those parameters says a lot about how inactive the community is, if
> >> you're interested in that.
> >
> > Well that's just it, we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
> > statistic.
>
> If I might clarify something that Ross is saying here ... (and taking the
> remark completely out of context to make the point)
>
> Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics
> - statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of
> a project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of
> statistic.
...
When Ross says that we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
> statistic, he is *not* saying that your contributions aren't welcome or
> wanted on the Allura project, but rather that the ASF governance (the
> board) is interested in other kinds of things in reports to the board.
Thanks for clarifying this Rich. I can assure the community that this is
indeed what I meant. In fact I said as much in the same mail the above
quote is taken from:
"Note, this doesn't mean individual PMCs would not find these indicators
helpful."
I hope nobody misunderstood my comments in the way Rich feels they may
have. If anyone did please be reassured so I concur with Rich'
clarifications.
Ross
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>.
On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 16:45 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> >> But a close-to-zero month
> >> for those parameters says a lot about how inactive the community is, if
> >> you're interested in that.
> >
> > Well that's just it, we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
> > statistic.
>
> If I might clarify something that Ross is saying here ... (and taking the remark completely out of context to make the point)
>
> Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics - statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic. And as a community manager (and thus end-user of this particular feature), I'm very interested in having these kinds of statistics available about the projects I work with - not so that I can say that *this* project is a 8 and therefore worth my time, and *that* one is a 3 and not worth my time, but rather as a high-level dashboard to watch the project's health over time.
>
> When Ross says that we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of statistic, he is *not* saying that your contributions aren't welcome or wanted on the Allura project, but rather that the ASF governance (the board) is interested in other kinds of things in reports to the board. The board is interested in the things specifically listed here: http://apache.org/foundation/board/reporting. One of those items is the "overall activity in the project over the past quarter", which can be interpreted a number of ways, but probably should be as brief as possible to receive the message. If a project has no releases for a quarter, or no commits for a quarter, the board isn't terribly concerned - there's many reasons that might happen. If a project has no commits for two years, we're going to be concerned.
>
> I don't know if you took Ross's statement that way, but it occurred to me while I was reading it, that in the context of a board report, he's completely correct, but if you read that in the context of your contributions to the project, it might result in the wrong conclusions. After all, we added you to the PMC as a result of those contributions.
>
Thanks a lot for the clarification, Rich. In this case, however, no, I
didn't take Ross comments as "we don't want this for Allura", but, in
the line you mention, "for the current practices of the board with
regard to incubating porjects, maybe some brief numbers are useful, but
the rest in an overkill".
Which I guess I agree, after the explanations and comments by Ross.
Saludos,
Jesus.
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi!
El mié, 08-05-2013 a las 09:49 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> I'm travelling so it might take a day or two to get started on this.
> Where should i pull the latest version of the Bitergia module from?
There is a branch with the code:
http://sourceforge.net/p/allura/tickets/5518/
Cheers
>
> On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:17:36AM +0200, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > El mié, 08-05-2013 a las 09:11 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:36:41AM +0200, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > El mié, 24-04-2013 a las 02:23 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > > > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > > > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > > > > > > > >> > time.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > > > > > > > >> > integration:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > > > > > > > >> what the status is of your project.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > > > > > > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > > > > > > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > > > > > > > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > > > > > > > as well as refining the existent?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> > > > > > > the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> > > > > > > real than the last one) working.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> > > > > > > install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> > > > > > > complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> > > > > > > with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> > > > > > > with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> > > > > > > forge with some testing data.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Roberto, thanks for the heads up.
> > > > >
> > > > > We definitely look with great interest to adding this kind of features
> > > > > to the PROSE deployment, let me know if there is any way we can help move
> > > > > this forward.
> > > >
> > > > Rui, we are working in automating the full process for generating
> > > > reports for Allura projects in a forge. How many projects do you have in
> > > > PROSE? What king of source code repository are you using? Are you also
> > > > using mailing lists?
> > > >
> > >
> > > * Our public release date is more or less now, so we should be able to bring
> > > some people in,for the upcoming weeks - right now there around ~20
> > > projects in the website, but most of them are just people testing
> > > around (or it is our own dev projects).
> > > * Git and SVN for sure
> > > * No mailling lists - Other than the regular Allura mail notifications
> >
> > Great! If there is enough activity during a period of time in the
> > projects, it could be a good testbed.
> >
> > >
> > > > What kind of Linux distro are you using for Allura install?
> > > >
> > >
> > > * Ubuntu LTS 12.04
> >
> > Nice. In this environment our statistics framework is installed with no
> > probs at all. Rui, I think the next step is to talk with your sys admin
> > guys in order to install all and start testing. is it ok for you? During
> > this work, we can create a complete HOWTO for install the
> > AlluraBitergiaMetrics modules and put it in production for a forge based
> > in Allura.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
> > > > > > a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
> > > > > > the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
> > > > > > this list please keep him copied for further communications.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do subscribe allura-dev, so no problem there.
> > > >
> > > > Great! I will continue in this thread.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
> > > > > > to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
> > > > > > be a win-win.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are not fully bleeding edge. Our instance runs on a code base
> > > > > from February. But we are looking into moving to a later version
> > > > > as soon as we get the chance.
> > > >
> > > > I think we don't need bleeding edge for our metrics plugin for Allura.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > BR, Rui
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roberto
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Roberto
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > > > > > > > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > > > > > > > >> code?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Time to review the current status.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > > > > > > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > and test that all is working.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > > > > > > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > > > > > > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > > > > > > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > > > > > > > ones.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > > > > > > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > > > > > > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > > > > > > > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > > > > > > > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > > > > > > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> > > > > > > continue
> > > > > > > > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > > > > > > > valuable info!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > > > > > > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > >> Rich Bowen
> > > > > > > > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > > > > > > >> Shosholoza
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > > > > > > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > > > > > > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > > > > > > > | |
> > > > > > > > > -ooo-ooo-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > | |
> > -ooo-ooo-
> >
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| V | http://www.bitergia.com
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Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Rui Ferreira <rf...@av.it.pt>.
I'm travelling so it might take a day or two to get started on this.
Where should i pull the latest version of the Bitergia module from?
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:17:36AM +0200, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> Hi!
>
> El mié, 08-05-2013 a las 09:11 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> > Hi
> >
> > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:36:41AM +0200, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > El mié, 24-04-2013 a las 02:23 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > > > > > > >> > time.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > > > > > > >> > integration:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > > > > > > >> what the status is of your project.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > > > > > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > > > > > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > > > > > > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > > > > > > as well as refining the existent?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> > > > > > the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> > > > > > real than the last one) working.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> > > > > > install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> > > > > > complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> > > > > > with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> > > > > > with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> > > > > > forge with some testing data.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Roberto, thanks for the heads up.
> > > >
> > > > We definitely look with great interest to adding this kind of features
> > > > to the PROSE deployment, let me know if there is any way we can help move
> > > > this forward.
> > >
> > > Rui, we are working in automating the full process for generating
> > > reports for Allura projects in a forge. How many projects do you have in
> > > PROSE? What king of source code repository are you using? Are you also
> > > using mailing lists?
> > >
> >
> > * Our public release date is more or less now, so we should be able to bring
> > some people in,for the upcoming weeks - right now there around ~20
> > projects in the website, but most of them are just people testing
> > around (or it is our own dev projects).
> > * Git and SVN for sure
> > * No mailling lists - Other than the regular Allura mail notifications
>
> Great! If there is enough activity during a period of time in the
> projects, it could be a good testbed.
>
> >
> > > What kind of Linux distro are you using for Allura install?
> > >
> >
> > * Ubuntu LTS 12.04
>
> Nice. In this environment our statistics framework is installed with no
> probs at all. Rui, I think the next step is to talk with your sys admin
> guys in order to install all and start testing. is it ok for you? During
> this work, we can create a complete HOWTO for install the
> AlluraBitergiaMetrics modules and put it in production for a forge based
> in Allura.
>
> Kind regards
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
> > > > > a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
> > > > > the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
> > > > > this list please keep him copied for further communications.
> > > >
> > > > I do subscribe allura-dev, so no problem there.
> > >
> > > Great! I will continue in this thread.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
> > > > > to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
> > > > > be a win-win.
> > > >
> > > > We are not fully bleeding edge. Our instance runs on a code base
> > > > from February. But we are looking into moving to a later version
> > > > as soon as we get the chance.
> > >
> > > I think we don't need bleeding edge for our metrics plugin for Allura.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > >
> > > > BR, Rui
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberto
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Roberto
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > > > > > > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > > > > > > >> code?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Time to review the current status.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > > > > > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > and test that all is working.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > > > > > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > > > > > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > > > > > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > > > > > > ones.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > > > > > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > > > > > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > > > > > > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > > > > > > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > > > > > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> > > > > > continue
> > > > > > > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > > > > > > valuable info!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > > > > > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > >> Rich Bowen
> > > > > > > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > > > > > >> Shosholoza
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > > > > > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > > > > > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > > > > > > | |
> > > > > > > > -ooo-ooo-
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > ====
> > > > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It
> > > > > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the
> > > > > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
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> > > > > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately
> > > > > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any
> > > > > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > | |
> > > -ooo-ooo-
> > >
>
>
> --
> |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> | |
> -ooo-ooo-
>
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi!
El mié, 08-05-2013 a las 09:11 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> Hi
>
> On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:36:41AM +0200, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > El mié, 24-04-2013 a las 02:23 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > > > > > >> > time.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > > > > > >> > integration:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > > > > > >> what the status is of your project.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > > > > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > > > > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > > > > > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > > > > > as well as refining the existent?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> > > > > the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> > > > > real than the last one) working.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> > > > > install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> > > > > complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> > > > > with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> > > > > with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> > > > > forge with some testing data.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Roberto, thanks for the heads up.
> > >
> > > We definitely look with great interest to adding this kind of features
> > > to the PROSE deployment, let me know if there is any way we can help move
> > > this forward.
> >
> > Rui, we are working in automating the full process for generating
> > reports for Allura projects in a forge. How many projects do you have in
> > PROSE? What king of source code repository are you using? Are you also
> > using mailing lists?
> >
>
> * Our public release date is more or less now, so we should be able to bring
> some people in,for the upcoming weeks - right now there around ~20
> projects in the website, but most of them are just people testing
> around (or it is our own dev projects).
> * Git and SVN for sure
> * No mailling lists - Other than the regular Allura mail notifications
Great! If there is enough activity during a period of time in the
projects, it could be a good testbed.
>
> > What kind of Linux distro are you using for Allura install?
> >
>
> * Ubuntu LTS 12.04
Nice. In this environment our statistics framework is installed with no
probs at all. Rui, I think the next step is to talk with your sys admin
guys in order to install all and start testing. is it ok for you? During
this work, we can create a complete HOWTO for install the
AlluraBitergiaMetrics modules and put it in production for a forge based
in Allura.
Kind regards
>
> >
> > >
> > > > My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
> > > > a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
> > > > the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
> > > > this list please keep him copied for further communications.
> > >
> > > I do subscribe allura-dev, so no problem there.
> >
> > Great! I will continue in this thread.
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
> > > > to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
> > > > be a win-win.
> > >
> > > We are not fully bleeding edge. Our instance runs on a code base
> > > from February. But we are looking into moving to a later version
> > > as soon as we get the chance.
> >
> > I think we don't need bleeding edge for our metrics plugin for Allura.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > >
> > > BR, Rui
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Roberto
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roberto
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > > > > > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > > > > > >> code?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Time to review the current status.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > > > > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> > > > > code
> > > > > > > and test that all is working.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > > > > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > > > > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > > > > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > > > > > ones.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > > > > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > > > > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > > > > > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > > > > > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > > > > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> > > > > continue
> > > > > > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > > > > > valuable info!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > > > > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Rich Bowen
> > > > > > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > > > > >> Shosholoza
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > > > > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > > > > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > > > > > | |
> > > > > > > -ooo-ooo-
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ====
> > > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It
> > > > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the
> > > > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
> > > > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly
> > > > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately
> > > > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any
> > > > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > | |
> > -ooo-ooo-
> >
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Rui Ferreira <rf...@av.it.pt>.
Hi
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:36:41AM +0200, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> El mié, 24-04-2013 a las 02:23 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > > > > >> > in
> > > > > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > > > > >> > time.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > > > > >> > integration:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > > > > >> what the status is of your project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > > > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > > > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > > > > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > > > > as well as refining the existent?
> > > >
> > > > I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> > > > the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> > > > real than the last one) working.
> > > >
> > > > Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> > > > install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> > > > complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
> > > >
> > > > I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> > > > with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> > > > with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> > > > forge with some testing data.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Roberto, thanks for the heads up.
> >
> > We definitely look with great interest to adding this kind of features
> > to the PROSE deployment, let me know if there is any way we can help move
> > this forward.
>
> Rui, we are working in automating the full process for generating
> reports for Allura projects in a forge. How many projects do you have in
> PROSE? What king of source code repository are you using? Are you also
> using mailing lists?
>
* Our public release date is more or less now, so we should be able to bring
some people in,for the upcoming weeks - right now there around ~20
projects in the website, but most of them are just people testing
around (or it is our own dev projects).
* Git and SVN for sure
* No mailling lists - Other than the regular Allura mail notifications
> What kind of Linux distro are you using for Allura install?
>
* Ubuntu LTS 12.04
>
> >
> > > My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
> > > a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
> > > the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
> > > this list please keep him copied for further communications.
> >
> > I do subscribe allura-dev, so no problem there.
>
> Great! I will continue in this thread.
>
> >
> > >
> > > The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
> > > to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
> > > be a win-win.
> >
> > We are not fully bleeding edge. Our instance runs on a code base
> > from February. But we are looking into moving to a later version
> > as soon as we get the chance.
>
> I think we don't need bleeding edge for our metrics plugin for Allura.
>
> Cheers
>
> >
> > BR, Rui
> >
> > >
> > > Roberto
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberto
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > > > > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > > > > >> code?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Time to review the current status.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > > > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> > > > code
> > > > > > and test that all is working.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > > > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > > > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > > > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > > > > ones.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > > > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > > > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> > > > a
> > > > > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > > > > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > > > > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > > > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> > > > continue
> > > > > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > > > > valuable info!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > > > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Rich Bowen
> > > > > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > > > >> Shosholoza
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > > > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > > > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > > > > | |
> > > > > > -ooo-ooo-
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ====
> > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It
> > > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the
> > > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
> > > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly
> > > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately
> > > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any
> > > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
> > >
>
>
> --
> |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> | |
> -ooo-ooo-
>
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Dear all,
El mié, 24-04-2013 a las 02:23 +0100, Rui Ferreira escribió:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
> >
> > > El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > > > >> > in
> > > > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > > > >> > time.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > > > >> > integration:
> > > > >> >
> > > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > > > >> what the status is of your project.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> > > >
> > > > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > > > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > > > as well as refining the existent?
> > >
> > > I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> > > the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> > > real than the last one) working.
> > >
> > > Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> > > install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> > > complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
> > >
> > > I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> > > with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> > > with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> > > forge with some testing data.
> > >
> >
>
> Hi Roberto, thanks for the heads up.
>
> We definitely look with great interest to adding this kind of features
> to the PROSE deployment, let me know if there is any way we can help move
> this forward.
Rui, we are working in automating the full process for generating
reports for Allura projects in a forge. How many projects do you have in
PROSE? What king of source code repository are you using? Are you also
using mailing lists?
What kind of Linux distro are you using for Allura install?
>
> > My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
> > a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
> > the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
> > this list please keep him copied for further communications.
>
> I do subscribe allura-dev, so no problem there.
Great! I will continue in this thread.
>
> >
> > The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
> > to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
> > be a win-win.
>
> We are not fully bleeding edge. Our instance runs on a code base
> from February. But we are looking into moving to a later version
> as soon as we get the chance.
I think we don't need bleeding edge for our metrics plugin for Allura.
Cheers
>
> BR, Rui
>
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Roberto
> > > >
> > > > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > > > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > > > >> code?
> > > > >
> > > > > Time to review the current status.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> > > code
> > > > > and test that all is working.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > > > ones.
> > > > >
> > > > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> > > a
> > > > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > > > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > > > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> > > continue
> > > > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > > > valuable info!
> > > > >
> > > > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Rich Bowen
> > > > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > > >> Shosholoza
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > > > | |
> > > > > -ooo-ooo-
> > >
> >
> > --
> > ====
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> > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
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| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
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Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Rui Ferreira <rf...@av.it.pt>.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
>
> > El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > > >> > time.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > > >> > integration:
> > > >> >
> > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > > >> what the status is of your project.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > > >
> > > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> > >
> > > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > > as well as refining the existent?
> >
> > I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> > the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> > real than the last one) working.
> >
> > Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> > install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> > complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
> >
> > I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> > with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> > with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> > forge with some testing data.
> >
>
Hi Roberto, thanks for the heads up.
We definitely look with great interest to adding this kind of features
to the PROSE deployment, let me know if there is any way we can help move
this forward.
> My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
> a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
> the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
> this list please keep him copied for further communications.
I do subscribe allura-dev, so no problem there.
>
> The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
> to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
> be a win-win.
We are not fully bleeding edge. Our instance runs on a code base
from February. But we are looking into moving to a later version
as soon as we get the chance.
BR, Rui
>
> Roberto
>
>
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Roberto
> > >
> > > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > > >> code?
> > > >
> > > > Time to review the current status.
> > > >
> > > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> > code
> > > > and test that all is working.
> > > >
> > > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > > ones.
> > > >
> > > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> > a
> > > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > > >
> > > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> > continue
> > > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > > valuable info!
> > > >
> > > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Rich Bowen
> > > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > >> Shosholoza
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > > | |
> > > > -ooo-ooo-
> >
>
> --
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Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
>
> We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> all in Allura an continue the development.
Ok, I just wanted to be sure that there wasn't something blocking you on this side. Please speak up if anyone can help in any way.
--Rich
--
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rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>wrote:
> El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>
> wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > >> > in
> > >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > >> > time.
> > >> >
> > >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > >> > integration:
> > >> >
> http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> > >> what the status is of your project.
> > >
> > > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> > >
> > > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > > all in Allura an continue the development.
> >
> > Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> > with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> > as well as refining the existent?
>
> I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
> the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
> real than the last one) working.
>
> Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
> install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
> complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
>
> I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
> with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
> with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
> forge with some testing data.
>
My best guess is that the EU-funded project PROSE could be open to run such
a test on its brand new Allura installation. I've added Rui who is actually
the person taking care of that infrastructure. Since he's not subscribed to
this list please keep him copied for further communications.
The reason why I mentioned PROSE infra in this context is that PROSE aims
to run the latest version of Allura, so coordinating on those tests could
be a win-win.
Roberto
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> > >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> > >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> > >> code?
> > >
> > > Time to review the current status.
> > >
> > > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura
> code
> > > and test that all is working.
> > >
> > > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > > ones.
> > >
> > > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research
> a
> > > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> > >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> > >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> > >
> > > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and
> continue
> > > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > > valuable info!
> > >
> > > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Rich Bowen
> > >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >> Shosholoza
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > > | |
> > > -ooo-ooo-
>
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Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
El mar, 16-04-2013 a las 17:09 +0200, Roberto Galoppini escribió:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
> >>
> >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> >> > in
> >> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> >> > time.
> >> >
> >> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> >> > integration:
> >> > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> >> what the status is of your project.
> >
> > Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
> >
> > We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> > create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> > all in Allura an continue the development.
>
> Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
> with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
> as well as refining the existent?
I am drawing a plan to have the full thing working so we all understand
the process, the results and can discuss with a real prototype (more
real than the last one) working.
Ideally I will need and Allura node with "real" projects in which I can
install the Metrics tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats) and build the
complete workflow for having statistics in those projects.
I can setup an Allura node but I have no "real" projects info to play
with and build a real prototype. Is it possible to have an Allura node
with real projects to play with? If it is not I will try to recreate a
forge with some testing data.
Cheers!
>
> Roberto
>
> >> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> >> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> >> code?
> >
> > Time to review the current status.
> >
> > 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> > VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura code
> > and test that all is working.
> >
> > 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> > (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> > installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> > periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> > ones.
> >
> > How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> > need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> > a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research a
> > bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> >> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> >> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
> >
> > Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> > complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and continue
> > to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> > valuable info!
> >
> > My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> > the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rich Bowen
> >> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >> Shosholoza
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> > [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> > | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> > | |
> > -ooo-ooo-
> >
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
>> > in
>> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
>> > time.
>> >
>> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
>> > integration:
>> > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
>> what the status is of your project.
>
> Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
>
> We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
> create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
> all in Allura an continue the development.
Alvaro, I'm actively working with the University of Milan to engage
with more students, would be easier for you to reintegrate new stuff
as well as refining the existent?
Roberto
>> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
>> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
>> code?
>
> Time to review the current status.
>
> 1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
> VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura code
> and test that all is working.
>
> 2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
> (tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
> installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
> periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
> ones.
>
> How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
> need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
> a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research a
> bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
>
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
>> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
>> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
>
> Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
> complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and continue
> to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
> valuable info!
>
> My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
> the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen
>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>> Shosholoza
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> |\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
> [o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
> | V | http://www.bitergia.com
> | |
> -ooo-ooo-
>
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Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Dear all,
El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 12:21 -0400, Rich Bowen escribió:
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
>
> > Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted
> > in
> > the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> > time.
> >
> > In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> > integration:
> > http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
> >
>
>
>
>
> Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering
> what the status is of your project.
Yes, you are right. 4 months. I am sorry about that.
We have been working so hard in developing the product and using it to
create reports and dashboards that I have not found time to reintegrate
all in Allura an continue the development.
> Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you
> from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura
> code?
Time to review the current status.
1. I have a branch in which I have developed the Integration of
VizgrimoireJS/VizJS 0.2. I need to update all to the current Allura code
and test that all is working.
2. The hard step is how to integrate MetricsGrimoire (MG, Python toola)
(tools which generates the data needed for VizJS to viz). MG should be
installed in Allura node (the easy configuration) and should be started
periodically to gather the data from new projects or update the old
ones.
How to program the execution of MG for Allura projects? This is what we
need to define. It could be directly from "crond" but maybe, we ca have
a tighter integration so Allura control the execution. I have research a
bit Allura tasks, but I am not sure it this is the way to go.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community
> when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics
> around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
Rich, we have continued the development of VizJS and now is more
complete. Let's try to finalize how to integrate everything and continue
to move on to build better dashboards and have richer metrics with more
valuable info!
My plan is to finish 1 and propose something for 2, but any clues about
the best integration strategy will be really appreciated.
Cheers
>
> --
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> Shosholoza
>
>
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Jan 8, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted in
> the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
> time.
>
> In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
> integration:
> http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
Alvaro, we haven't heard from you in a few months and I was wondering what the status is of your project. Are there any blockers on the Allura side that are preventing you from moving forward with integrating your changes into the Allura code?
I'm pretty sure that I speak for many of the Allura user community when I say that we would *love * to see more, and better, metrics around everything that hosted projects do on the Allura platform.
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
Shosholoza
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi Rich,
El vie, 28-12-2012 a las 10:59 -0500, Rich Bowen escribió:
> > It seems the mailing list does not accept attachments.
> >
> > I have uploaded them to Dropbox:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qdkcgk7rnb6mw7a/NVEcgHPrBJ/AlluraVizGrimoire
> I would recommend that you create a directory for this kind of thing
> in a logical place in git and put stuff there. Short-lived dropbox
> URLs are not going to be much help to folks looking back at mailing
> list archives.
Thanks Rich. This is just a proposal and I hope it will be obsoleted in
the future with new developments. But I will have this in mind next
time.
In any case, the screenshots are now also in a blog post about the
integration:
http://blog.bitergia.com/2013/01/02/project-analytics-integrated-into-allura/
Cheers!
>
> --
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> Shosholoza
>
>
>
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
> It seems the mailing list does not accept attachments.
>
> I have uploaded them to Dropbox:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qdkcgk7rnb6mw7a/NVEcgHPrBJ/AlluraVizGrimoire
I would recommend that you create a directory for this kind of thing in a logical place in git and put stuff there. Short-lived dropbox URLs are not going to be much help to folks looking back at mailing list archives.
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
Shosholoza
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
El vie, 28-12-2012 a las 08:22 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> El vie, 28-12-2012 a las 08:13 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > El jue, 27-12-2012 a las 20:24 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > El mié, 19-12-2012 a las 10:51 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> > > > Hi Dave!
> > > >
> > > > El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
> > > > > On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics -
> > > > > > statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a
> > > > > > project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the Allura repo?
> > >
> > > I have committed it to branch acs2/5518.
> > >
> > > You can check it with:
> > >
> > > git checkout -t origin/acs2/5518
> > >
> > > It is our last version, VizGrimoireJS 0.1.0, and some issues still
> > > remains in the integration (Envision graphs labels don't show correctly
> > > inside Allura). But the hard work for the integration is done.
> > >
> > > Tomorrow I will add the Apache license to all the code and I think I
> > > will need 2-3 days to clean up everything and add more visualizations.
> > >
> > > As a reference you can expect with this library inside allura vizs like:
> > >
> > > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/index.html
> >
> > I have added the Apache license to the code, fix the visualizations
> > problems and add new graphs.
>
> s/add/added
>
> >
> > Attached two screenshots of the integration.
>
> Hmmm, it seems the attachments are not in the email. Reattached.
It seems the mailing list does not accept attachments.
I have uploaded them to Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qdkcgk7rnb6mw7a/NVEcgHPrBJ/AlluraVizGrimoire
Kind regards!
>
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Sure, I am finished other tasks in order to have a 2-3 days window to
> > > > commit the bitergia metrics frontend and work in a integration with
> > > > metrics grimoire backend tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We had some conversations about it here a few months ago, and even voted to have
> > > > > you join the PMC so that you could contribute more directly. But we have
> > > > > forgotten about this a bit I guess, and I wanted to revive the topic.
> > > >
> > > > I have not forgotten it! But I have been a bit busy.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw a test commit from you a while ago, so I don't think there's anything
> > > > > blocking you from contributing this. Unless there is still some GPL code -
> > > > > we're trying to factor out the GPL code, not add more to our repo :)
> > > >
> > > > All the code we are going to upload will be under Apache license. And
> > > > our dependencies:
> > > >
> > > > * Flotr2: MIT
> > > > * Envision: MIT
> > > > * Gridster: MIT
> > > > * jQuery: MIT
> > > >
> > > > This Javascript community seems to like MIT license :)
> > > >
> > > > I think there are no probs using MIT license in Apache projects.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You could put it in a branch initially. I think it'll be ok to merge to master
> > > > > after we make sure it plays well with the other tools. Probably just need to
> > > > > set status='beta' since it doesn't work out-of-the-box for projects yet.
> > > >
> > > > Great! I have this task near top priority so I hope to start it this
> > > > week and finish next week.
> > > >
> > > > We have made some big advances in our metrics visualizations. I hope I
> > > > can integrate as much as possible into Allura:
> > > >
> > > > http://bitergia.com/reports/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/
> > > >
> > > > Use the navigation box at the upper left corner to travel.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
El vie, 28-12-2012 a las 08:13 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> El jue, 27-12-2012 a las 20:24 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > El mié, 19-12-2012 a las 10:51 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> > > Hi Dave!
> > >
> > > El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
> > > > On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics -
> > > > > statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a
> > > > > project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the Allura repo?
> >
> > I have committed it to branch acs2/5518.
> >
> > You can check it with:
> >
> > git checkout -t origin/acs2/5518
> >
> > It is our last version, VizGrimoireJS 0.1.0, and some issues still
> > remains in the integration (Envision graphs labels don't show correctly
> > inside Allura). But the hard work for the integration is done.
> >
> > Tomorrow I will add the Apache license to all the code and I think I
> > will need 2-3 days to clean up everything and add more visualizations.
> >
> > As a reference you can expect with this library inside allura vizs like:
> >
> > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/index.html
>
> I have added the Apache license to the code, fix the visualizations
> problems and add new graphs.
s/add/added
>
> Attached two screenshots of the integration.
Hmmm, it seems the attachments are not in the email. Reattached.
>
> Cheers
>
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > >
> > > Sure, I am finished other tasks in order to have a 2-3 days window to
> > > commit the bitergia metrics frontend and work in a integration with
> > > metrics grimoire backend tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats).
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We had some conversations about it here a few months ago, and even voted to have
> > > > you join the PMC so that you could contribute more directly. But we have
> > > > forgotten about this a bit I guess, and I wanted to revive the topic.
> > >
> > > I have not forgotten it! But I have been a bit busy.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I saw a test commit from you a while ago, so I don't think there's anything
> > > > blocking you from contributing this. Unless there is still some GPL code -
> > > > we're trying to factor out the GPL code, not add more to our repo :)
> > >
> > > All the code we are going to upload will be under Apache license. And
> > > our dependencies:
> > >
> > > * Flotr2: MIT
> > > * Envision: MIT
> > > * Gridster: MIT
> > > * jQuery: MIT
> > >
> > > This Javascript community seems to like MIT license :)
> > >
> > > I think there are no probs using MIT license in Apache projects.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You could put it in a branch initially. I think it'll be ok to merge to master
> > > > after we make sure it plays well with the other tools. Probably just need to
> > > > set status='beta' since it doesn't work out-of-the-box for projects yet.
> > >
> > > Great! I have this task near top priority so I hope to start it this
> > > week and finish next week.
> > >
> > > We have made some big advances in our metrics visualizations. I hope I
> > > can integrate as much as possible into Allura:
> > >
> > > http://bitergia.com/reports/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/
> > >
> > > Use the navigation box at the upper left corner to travel.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi all,
El jue, 27-12-2012 a las 20:24 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> Hi all!
>
> El mié, 19-12-2012 a las 10:51 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> > Hi Dave!
> >
> > El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
> > > On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics -
> > > > statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a
> > > > project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the Allura repo?
>
> I have committed it to branch acs2/5518.
>
> You can check it with:
>
> git checkout -t origin/acs2/5518
>
> It is our last version, VizGrimoireJS 0.1.0, and some issues still
> remains in the integration (Envision graphs labels don't show correctly
> inside Allura). But the hard work for the integration is done.
>
> Tomorrow I will add the Apache license to all the code and I think I
> will need 2-3 days to clean up everything and add more visualizations.
>
> As a reference you can expect with this library inside allura vizs like:
>
> http://bitergia.com/public/previews/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/index.html
I have added the Apache license to the code, fix the visualizations
problems and add new graphs.
Attached two screenshots of the integration.
Cheers
>
> Cheers!
>
> >
> > Sure, I am finished other tasks in order to have a 2-3 days window to
> > commit the bitergia metrics frontend and work in a integration with
> > metrics grimoire backend tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats).
> >
> > >
> > > We had some conversations about it here a few months ago, and even voted to have
> > > you join the PMC so that you could contribute more directly. But we have
> > > forgotten about this a bit I guess, and I wanted to revive the topic.
> >
> > I have not forgotten it! But I have been a bit busy.
> >
> > >
> > > I saw a test commit from you a while ago, so I don't think there's anything
> > > blocking you from contributing this. Unless there is still some GPL code -
> > > we're trying to factor out the GPL code, not add more to our repo :)
> >
> > All the code we are going to upload will be under Apache license. And
> > our dependencies:
> >
> > * Flotr2: MIT
> > * Envision: MIT
> > * Gridster: MIT
> > * jQuery: MIT
> >
> > This Javascript community seems to like MIT license :)
> >
> > I think there are no probs using MIT license in Apache projects.
> >
> > >
> > > You could put it in a branch initially. I think it'll be ok to merge to master
> > > after we make sure it plays well with the other tools. Probably just need to
> > > set status='beta' since it doesn't work out-of-the-box for projects yet.
> >
> > Great! I have this task near top priority so I hope to start it this
> > week and finish next week.
> >
> > We have made some big advances in our metrics visualizations. I hope I
> > can integrate as much as possible into Allura:
> >
> > http://bitergia.com/reports/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/
> >
> > Use the navigation box at the upper left corner to travel.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > >
> > > -Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi Olemis,
El vie, 28-12-2012 a las 02:54 -0500, Olemis Lang escribió:
> On 12/27/12, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
>
> :)
>
> > El mié, 19-12-2012 a las 10:51 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> >> Hi Dave!
> >>
> >> El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
> >> > On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >> >
> [...]
> >> >
> >> > Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the
> >> > Allura repo?
> >
> > I have committed it to branch acs2/5518.
> >
> [...]
> >
> > As a reference you can expect with this library inside allura vizs like:
> >
> > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/index.html
> >
>
> JFTR , that page seems not to be working for me neither in Opera nor
> Firefox nor Google Chrome .
>
> :'(
>
> I might be missing something though .
>
The sample was missing two basic files removed in a cleanup process. I
am sorry.
It is already working.
Thanks!
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Olemis Lang <ol...@gmail.com>.
On 12/27/12, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
:)
> El mié, 19-12-2012 a las 10:51 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
>> Hi Dave!
>>
>> El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
>> > On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> >
[...]
>> >
>> > Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the
>> > Allura repo?
>
> I have committed it to branch acs2/5518.
>
[...]
>
> As a reference you can expect with this library inside allura vizs like:
>
> http://bitergia.com/public/previews/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/index.html
>
JFTR , that page seems not to be working for me neither in Opera nor
Firefox nor Google Chrome .
:'(
I might be missing something though .
--
Regards,
Olemis.
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Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi all!
El mié, 19-12-2012 a las 10:51 +0100, Alvaro del Castillo escribió:
> Hi Dave!
>
> El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
> > On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > >
> > > Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics -
> > > statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a
> > > project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic.
> > >
> >
> > Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the Allura repo?
I have committed it to branch acs2/5518.
You can check it with:
git checkout -t origin/acs2/5518
It is our last version, VizGrimoireJS 0.1.0, and some issues still
remains in the integration (Envision graphs labels don't show correctly
inside Allura). But the hard work for the integration is done.
Tomorrow I will add the Apache license to all the code and I think I
will need 2-3 days to clean up everything and add more visualizations.
As a reference you can expect with this library inside allura vizs like:
http://bitergia.com/public/previews/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/index.html
Cheers!
>
> Sure, I am finished other tasks in order to have a 2-3 days window to
> commit the bitergia metrics frontend and work in a integration with
> metrics grimoire backend tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats).
>
> >
> > We had some conversations about it here a few months ago, and even voted to have
> > you join the PMC so that you could contribute more directly. But we have
> > forgotten about this a bit I guess, and I wanted to revive the topic.
>
> I have not forgotten it! But I have been a bit busy.
>
> >
> > I saw a test commit from you a while ago, so I don't think there's anything
> > blocking you from contributing this. Unless there is still some GPL code -
> > we're trying to factor out the GPL code, not add more to our repo :)
>
> All the code we are going to upload will be under Apache license. And
> our dependencies:
>
> * Flotr2: MIT
> * Envision: MIT
> * Gridster: MIT
> * jQuery: MIT
>
> This Javascript community seems to like MIT license :)
>
> I think there are no probs using MIT license in Apache projects.
>
> >
> > You could put it in a branch initially. I think it'll be ok to merge to master
> > after we make sure it plays well with the other tools. Probably just need to
> > set status='beta' since it doesn't work out-of-the-box for projects yet.
>
> Great! I have this task near top priority so I hope to start it this
> week and finish next week.
>
> We have made some big advances in our metrics visualizations. I hope I
> can integrate as much as possible into Allura:
>
> http://bitergia.com/reports/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/
>
> Use the navigation box at the upper left corner to travel.
>
> Cheers
>
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
>
>
--
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
-ooo-ooo-
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 19 December 2012 09:51, Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com> wrote:
>
> All the code we are going to upload will be under Apache license. And
> our dependencies:
>
> * Flotr2: MIT
> * Envision: MIT
> * Gridster: MIT
> * jQuery: MIT
>
> This Javascript community seems to like MIT license :)
>
> I think there are no probs using MIT license in Apache projects.
>
That is correct.
The canonical source of answers to license compatibility questions is the
Legal Affairs committee who maintain a record of previous decisions at [1].
If the license in question is not on that page the committee maintains a
JIRA instance for new enquiries [2].
Ross
[1] http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL
Re: contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator
PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi Dave!
El lun, 17-12-2012 a las 15:08 -0500, Dave Brondsema escribió:
> On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >
> > Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics -
> > statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a
> > project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic.
> >
>
> Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the Allura repo?
Sure, I am finished other tasks in order to have a 2-3 days window to
commit the bitergia metrics frontend and work in a integration with
metrics grimoire backend tools (cvsanaly, bicho and mlstats).
>
> We had some conversations about it here a few months ago, and even voted to have
> you join the PMC so that you could contribute more directly. But we have
> forgotten about this a bit I guess, and I wanted to revive the topic.
I have not forgotten it! But I have been a bit busy.
>
> I saw a test commit from you a while ago, so I don't think there's anything
> blocking you from contributing this. Unless there is still some GPL code -
> we're trying to factor out the GPL code, not add more to our repo :)
All the code we are going to upload will be under Apache license. And
our dependencies:
* Flotr2: MIT
* Envision: MIT
* Gridster: MIT
* jQuery: MIT
This Javascript community seems to like MIT license :)
I think there are no probs using MIT license in Apache projects.
>
> You could put it in a branch initially. I think it'll be ok to merge to master
> after we make sure it plays well with the other tools. Probably just need to
> set status='beta' since it doesn't work out-of-the-box for projects yet.
Great! I have this task near top priority so I hope to start it this
week and finish next week.
We have made some big advances in our metrics visualizations. I hope I
can integrate as much as possible into Allura:
http://bitergia.com/reports/VizGrimoireJS/examples/milestone0/
Use the navigation box at the upper left corner to travel.
Cheers
>
> -Dave
>
>
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[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
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| V | http://www.bitergia.com
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contributing the bitergia metrics tool (was Re: Incubator PMC/Board
report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Dave Brondsema <da...@brondsema.net>.
On 12/13/12 4:45 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics -
> statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a
> project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic.
>
Alvaro, would you like to commit the bitergia metrics front-end to the Allura repo?
We had some conversations about it here a few months ago, and even voted to have
you join the PMC so that you could contribute more directly. But we have
forgotten about this a bit I guess, and I wanted to revive the topic.
I saw a test commit from you a while ago, so I don't think there's anything
blocking you from contributing this. Unless there is still some GPL code -
we're trying to factor out the GPL code, not add more to our repo :)
You could put it in a branch initially. I think it'll be ok to merge to master
after we make sure it plays well with the other tools. Probably just need to
set status='beta' since it doesn't work out-of-the-box for projects yet.
-Dave
--
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http://www.brondsema.net : personal
http://www.splike.com : programming
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> But a close-to-zero month
>> for those parameters says a lot about how inactive the community is, if
>> you're interested in that.
>
> Well that's just it, we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
> statistic.
If I might clarify something that Ross is saying here ... (and taking the remark completely out of context to make the point)
Alvaro's and Jesus's contribution to this project is all about statistics - statistics that are very valuable in measuring the activity and health of a project. We, the Allura project, are VERY interested in this kind of statistic. And as a community manager (and thus end-user of this particular feature), I'm very interested in having these kinds of statistics available about the projects I work with - not so that I can say that *this* project is a 8 and therefore worth my time, and *that* one is a 3 and not worth my time, but rather as a high-level dashboard to watch the project's health over time.
When Ross says that we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of statistic, he is *not* saying that your contributions aren't welcome or wanted on the Allura project, but rather that the ASF governance (the board) is interested in other kinds of things in reports to the board. The board is interested in the things specifically listed here: http://apache.org/foundation/board/reporting. One of those items is the "overall activity in the project over the past quarter", which can be interpreted a number of ways, but probably should be as brief as possible to receive the message. If a project has no releases for a quarter, or no commits for a quarter, the board isn't terribly concerned - there's many reasons that might happen. If a project has no commits for two years, we're going to be concerned.
I don't know if you took Ross's statement that way, but it occurred to me while I was reading it, that in the context of a board report, he's completely correct, but if you read that in the context of your contributions to the project, it might result in the wrong conclusions. After all, we added you to the PMC as a result of those contributions.
--
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rbowen@rcbowen.com
Shosholoza
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Sent from my tablet
On Dec 12, 2012 6:25 PM, "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 17:29 +0000, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > Sent from my tablet
> > On Dec 12, 2012 5:21 PM, "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 10:48 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We have updated our Allura report:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/allura/2012_12_allura/
> > > > >
> > > > > In Bitergia we are reviewing all the data to be sure are ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe we can use some of this report info for the PMC/Board
report.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add
> > specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it would make sense to either include some numbers
(such
> > > as number of commits, committers, etc for the period) or charts (those
> > > could be screenshots of the charts in the report, linking to the
report,
> > > or we could build some JPEG figures if that suits better. It all
depends
> > > on the level of detail you consider reasonable.
> >
> > Generally speaking statistics are not important at all. They tell us
> > nothing about the health of a community, whcih is all a board report
should
> > be concerned with. A single prolific contributor, or one seeking
> > tommanipulate the stats, can make the stats look good, but that doesn't
> > mean the community is healthy. That being said some numbers are useful
> > indicators.
> >
> > When reviewing reports I'm interested in when the last release was made,
> > that patch queues are not growing, that new committers are being
brought in
> > etc. Notice all these are about community health (i.e. new users get
early
> > access, contributors are getting attention, the community is
> > creating/maintaining diversity), rather than about technical engagements
> > (number of posts to mailing lists, number of commits etc.). If you can
> > include infomlike this it would be good.
> >
> > All that being said I think it would be good to include any stats you
think
> > might be useful and ask the IPMC and board for feedback on their
utility in
> > board reports.
>
> Thanks for the feedback, Ross.
>
> This is quite interesting. When producing a report, it is much better if
> we know what we're looking for. If you're interested, we could talk
> (maybe off-list, to avoid noise to people not interested) about what
> could be interesting for this purpose, and we can try to figure out how
> to produce useful data. If we can script it, the data could later be
> produced automatically. Let me know if you have time / interest to give
> this idea a try.
Since the data is coming from Allura I'd say keep it here. Some of the data
needed may not be exposed yet.
> But a close-to-zero month
> for those parameters says a lot about how inactive the community is, if
> you're interested in that.
Well that's just it, we (the ASF) are not interested in that kind of
statistic. Projects go quiet for many different reasons, including heakthy
ones (e.g. feature complete and innmaintenance mode). All we care about is
whether the community is healthy (e.g. security reports are addressed even
in maintenance stage projects). The ASF board (or at least this board
member) is not interested in what the stats say, we are interested in
whether there are people keeping ready to respond when necessary.
> More complementary information
> may be needed, of course, to reach conclusions.
That complimentary information is provided by the human beings who write
the board reports. As a director I don't want to spend my time looking for
it because a misleading stat is flashing a red light.
Note, this doesn't mean individual PMCs would not find these indicators
helpful. I am only saying that people outside the project, those without
the complimentary information, can be misled by stats.
As for what would be useful (in a board report as opposed to PMC dashboard)
I think the items I identified in my first mail are valuable. You could
also look at the clutch report and see if you can provide more complete
information behind the data points in that. See
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
Ross
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona wrote:
> This is quite interesting. When producing a report, it is much better if
> we know what we're looking for.
The best thing to read with regard to what we, the board, are looking for, is http://apache.org/foundation/board/reporting
Of course, that leaves a LOT of room for individual interpretation, but it should give some idea. A lot of report contain number of (active) committers, size of mailing lists, number of posts to mailing lists, number and dates of releases. If it gets much more detailed than that, someone is likely to call Too Much Information.
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>.
On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 17:29 +0000, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Sent from my tablet
> On Dec 12, 2012 5:21 PM, "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 10:48 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> > >
> > > > We have updated our Allura report:
> > > >
> > > > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/allura/2012_12_allura/
> > > >
> > > > In Bitergia we are reviewing all the data to be sure are ok.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe we can use some of this report info for the PMC/Board report.
> > >
> > > Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add
> specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know if it would make sense to either include some numbers (such
> > as number of commits, committers, etc for the period) or charts (those
> > could be screenshots of the charts in the report, linking to the report,
> > or we could build some JPEG figures if that suits better. It all depends
> > on the level of detail you consider reasonable.
>
> Generally speaking statistics are not important at all. They tell us
> nothing about the health of a community, whcih is all a board report should
> be concerned with. A single prolific contributor, or one seeking
> tommanipulate the stats, can make the stats look good, but that doesn't
> mean the community is healthy. That being said some numbers are useful
> indicators.
>
> When reviewing reports I'm interested in when the last release was made,
> that patch queues are not growing, that new committers are being brought in
> etc. Notice all these are about community health (i.e. new users get early
> access, contributors are getting attention, the community is
> creating/maintaining diversity), rather than about technical engagements
> (number of posts to mailing lists, number of commits etc.). If you can
> include infomlike this it would be good.
>
> All that being said I think it would be good to include any stats you think
> might be useful and ask the IPMC and board for feedback on their utility in
> board reports.
Thanks for the feedback, Ross.
This is quite interesting. When producing a report, it is much better if
we know what we're looking for. If you're interested, we could talk
(maybe off-list, to avoid noise to people not interested) about what
could be interesting for this purpose, and we can try to figure out how
to produce useful data. If we can script it, the data could later be
produced automatically. Let me know if you have time / interest to give
this idea a try.
I also understand your concerns about the meaning of parameters and the
possibilities of cheating. Numbers are just numbers, you have to
interpret them. The fact that somebody has a weight of 160 kg and a
height of 1.70 m doesn't say if that person is healthy or happy. But
maybe that can give an useful indicator. The case of the general stats
for a project is the same. Having a large number of commits and
committers doesn't imply a lot of action in a community, and of course
it says nothing about the code being produced. But a close-to-zero month
for those parameters says a lot about how inactive the community is, if
you're interested in that. The distribution of the time-to-attend or
time-to-close tickets is not a direct indicator of anything, but it
could signal problems or improvements. More complementary information
may be needed, of course, to reach conclusions. WRT cheating, well, good
will is assumed. A written report on the status of a project could also
be cheated.
But I know you know all of this ;-) I don't want to convince anybody.
Just if this can be helpful, let's go on. If it can't, let's forget
about it. Probably the best thing is to focus in trying to show
parameters that could be of interest for the specific purpose you
mention: help in the evaluation of incubator projects.
Again, thanks a lot for your feedback.
Saludos,
Jesus.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Sent from my tablet
On Dec 12, 2012 5:21 PM, "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 10:48 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> >
> > > We have updated our Allura report:
> > >
> > > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/allura/2012_12_allura/
> > >
> > > In Bitergia we are reviewing all the data to be sure are ok.
> > >
> > > Maybe we can use some of this report info for the PMC/Board report.
> >
> > Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add
specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
> >
>
> I don't know if it would make sense to either include some numbers (such
> as number of commits, committers, etc for the period) or charts (those
> could be screenshots of the charts in the report, linking to the report,
> or we could build some JPEG figures if that suits better. It all depends
> on the level of detail you consider reasonable.
Generally speaking statistics are not important at all. They tell us
nothing about the health of a community, whcih is all a board report should
be concerned with. A single prolific contributor, or one seeking
tommanipulate the stats, can make the stats look good, but that doesn't
mean the community is healthy. That being said some numbers are useful
indicators.
When reviewing reports I'm interested in when the last release was made,
that patch queues are not growing, that new committers are being brought in
etc. Notice all these are about community health (i.e. new users get early
access, contributors are getting attention, the community is
creating/maintaining diversity), rather than about technical engagements
(number of posts to mailing lists, number of commits etc.). If you can
include infomlike this it would be good.
All that being said I think it would be good to include any stats you think
might be useful and ask the IPMC and board for feedback on their utility in
board reports.
Ross
>
> Saludos,
>
> Jesus.
>
>
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>.
On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 12:36 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona wrote:
>
> >> Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
> >>
> >
> > I don't know if it would make sense to either include some numbers (such
> > as number of commits, committers, etc for the period) or charts (those
> > could be screenshots of the charts in the report, linking to the report,
> > or we could build some JPEG figures if that suits better. It all depends
> > on the level of detail you consider reasonable.
>
> As a board member, I'd say that the level of detail we consider
> reasonable could include high-level numbers like number of commits,
> committers, mailing list messages, and so on, particularly when, as
> for an incubating project, they represent our growth in diversity, and
> project activity. I think that the link to the report, containing the
> images, is sufficient and including links to individual graphs is
> probably overkill, particularly when our incubation report is one of
> dozens within the incubator board report, which is in turn one of
> dozens of reports in the overall board report.
Thanks for the feedback. We can certainly provide a table with numbers,
such as absolute number of committers, ticket closers, etc. and
increment for the last month and three months, for example. I'm not sure
we can do this for this report, but we'll try.
Saludos,
Jesus.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona wrote:
>> Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
>>
>
> I don't know if it would make sense to either include some numbers (such
> as number of commits, committers, etc for the period) or charts (those
> could be screenshots of the charts in the report, linking to the report,
> or we could build some JPEG figures if that suits better. It all depends
> on the level of detail you consider reasonable.
As a board member, I'd say that the level of detail we consider reasonable could include high-level numbers like number of commits, committers, mailing list messages, and so on, particularly when, as for an incubating project, they represent our growth in diversity, and project activity. I think that the link to the report, containing the images, is sufficient and including links to individual graphs is probably overkill, particularly when our incubation report is one of dozens within the incubator board report, which is in turn one of dozens of reports in the overall board report.
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona" <jg...@bitergia.com>.
On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 10:48 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
>
> > We have updated our Allura report:
> >
> > http://bitergia.com/public/previews/allura/2012_12_allura/
> >
> > In Bitergia we are reviewing all the data to be sure are ok.
> >
> > Maybe we can use some of this report info for the PMC/Board report.
>
> Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
>
I don't know if it would make sense to either include some numbers (such
as number of commits, committers, etc for the period) or charts (those
could be screenshots of the charts in the report, linking to the report,
or we could build some JPEG figures if that suits better. It all depends
on the level of detail you consider reasonable.
Saludos,
Jesus.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Alvaro del Castillo wrote:
> We have updated our Allura report:
>
> http://bitergia.com/public/previews/allura/2012_12_allura/
>
> In Bitergia we are reviewing all the data to be sure are ok.
>
> Maybe we can use some of this report info for the PMC/Board report.
Thanks. I've updated the URL in the report, but if you'd like to add specifics to the report, please let me know what you'd like to add.
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi guys,
El mar, 04-12-2012 a las 10:53 -0500, Rich Bowen escribió:
> On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>
> > Looks like Rich added our report to
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012 so we're ready for mentor
> > sign-off. In general@i.a.o, Benson asked for all mentors to sign off on this
> > month's report.
>
> If anyone has any further changes, please just let me know. We can make changes up until the 15th.
>
We have updated our Allura report:
http://bitergia.com/public/previews/allura/2012_12_allura/
In Bitergia we are reviewing all the data to be sure are ok.
Maybe we can use some of this report info for the PMC/Board report.
Cheers
--
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[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
| |
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Dave Brondsema wrote:
> Looks like Rich added our report to
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012 so we're ready for mentor
> sign-off. In general@i.a.o, Benson asked for all mentors to sign off on this
> month's report.
If anyone has any further changes, please just let me know. We can make changes up until the 15th.
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Dave Brondsema <da...@brondsema.net>.
Looks like Rich added our report to
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012 so we're ready for mentor
sign-off. In general@i.a.o, Benson asked for all mentors to sign off on this
month's report.
On 12/1/12 10:26 AM, Marvin wrote:
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC.
> It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly
> board report.
>
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 December 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The report
> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator PMC
> requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow
> sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Dec 5th).
>
> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC, and
> subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you
> should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> The Apache Incubator PMC
>
> Submitting your Report
> ----------------------
>
> Your report should contain the following:
>
> * Your project name
> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the project
> or necessarily of its field
> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards
> graduation.
> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware of
> * How has the community developed since the last report
> * How has the project developed since the last report.
>
> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
>
> Note: This manually populated. You may need to wait a little before this page is
> created from a template.
>
> Mentors
> -------
> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on the
> Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are following the
> project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the Incubator PMC.
>
> Incubator PMC
>
--
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Dave Brondsema <db...@geek.net>.
Thanks, Rich. I made some changes.
Alvaro, looking forward to that :)
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Marvin wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear podling,
> >
> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> Incubator PMC.
> > It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your
> quarterly
> > board report.
> >
> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 December 2012, 10:00:00 PST.
> The report
> > for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The
> Incubator PMC
> > requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting,
> to allow
> > sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Dec 5th).
>
>
> I've drafted a report at
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fy-AGxEVkZWkF6JP6ipr3FYKEB77Yjef2cKqIKcnjJ0/edit
>
> Please pitch in if you want to change/add anything
>
> --
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> Shosholoza
>
>
>
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Alvaro del Castillo <ac...@bitergia.com>.
Hi guys,
El lun, 03-12-2012 a las 11:52 -0500, Rich Bowen escribió:
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Marvin wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear podling,
> >
> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC.
> > It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly
> > board report.
> >
> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 December 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The report
> > for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator PMC
> > requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow
> > sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Dec 5th).
>
>
> I've drafted a report at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fy-AGxEVkZWkF6JP6ipr3FYKEB77Yjef2cKqIKcnjJ0/edit
>
> Please pitch in if you want to change/add anything
>
We are working in a Visual Report about Allura activity using this
format:
http://blog.bitergia.com/2012/12/03/complete-basic-analysis-of-mediawiki/
Once we have finished it we will inform you to include it in the report
if you find it useful·
Cheers!
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|\_____/| Alvaro del Castillo
[o] [o] acs@bitergia.com - CTO, Software Engineer
| V | http://www.bitergia.com
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2012 ([ppmc])
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Marvin wrote:
>
>
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC.
> It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly
> board report.
>
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 December 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The report
> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator PMC
> requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow
> sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Dec 5th).
I've drafted a report at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fy-AGxEVkZWkF6JP6ipr3FYKEB77Yjef2cKqIKcnjJ0/edit
Please pitch in if you want to change/add anything
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
Shosholoza