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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de> on 2008/04/04 05:54:26 UTC
[OT] Mac OS X and Java development (was: Re: [jira] Updated: (COCOON-2063))
On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with Mac
OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you do it?
Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java sources
are only the tip of the iceberg. Every tree representation in Eclipse
just sucks. Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent,
especially with Java programs. There seems to be no serious SVN command
line client (or at least the CollabNet download page is just
self-linking at the moment:
http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html). And so on ... Windows
has also bunch of annoying issues but there is at least consistency and
usually there is a solution for everything. Do you guys all switch to
Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
Joerg
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Joerg Heinicke schrieb:
> On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
>
>> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
>
> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with Mac
> OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you do it?
I switched from Windows to Mac 4 years ago, and the only things I'm
missing are Half-Life and Strikeforce :) The time I used to spend on
installing ZoneAlarm & Co. is now happily spent on keyboard shortcut
configuration in Eclipse.
> Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java sources
> are only the tip of the iceberg. Every tree representation in Eclipse
> just sucks.
The indentation is a bit wide, and the horizontal scrolling is annoying,
but maybe that's why Apple has invented the mighty mouse (which I, alas,
do not possess) :)
> Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent,
> especially with Java programs. There seems to be no serious SVN command
> line client (or at least the CollabNet download page is just
> self-linking at the moment:
> http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html).
I use the Metissian subversion client, and I didn't notice any problems yet.
Speaking of which: Windows doesn't have a serious command-line at all,
or has this changed with Vista? cygwin doesn't come close to a native
Unix IMO.
> And so on ... Windows
> has also bunch of annoying issues but there is at least consistency and
> usually there is a solution for everything. Do you guys all switch to
> Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
IMO the situation with Java is quite acceptable. Porting shell scripts
from a Linux environment is a PITA, though.
-- Andreas
--
Andreas Hartmann, CTO
BeCompany GmbH
http://www.becompany.ch
Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Joerg Heinicke escribió:
> Do you guys all switch to Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
Yup! :)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Thor Wolpert <th...@lunartek.com>.
Have you tried Java 6 at http://developer.apple.com/java/
On 7-Apr-08, at 4:05 PM, Tom Wagner wrote:
> hi,
> with a jetty-class i did it
> don't know - i'm sure there are better solutions
>
> java -version
> java version "1.5.0_13"
> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_13-
> b05-237)
> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_13-119, mixed mode, sharing)
> (on a mac)
>
> openssl pkcs12 -export -in my.crt -inkey my.key -out my.p12
> keytool -storetype pkcs12 -list -v -keystore my.p12 -storepass pass
> openssl pkcs12 -info -in my.p12
> java -classpath /local/mvn/repo/org/mortbay/jetty/jetty/6.1.4/
> jetty-6.1.4.jar org.mortbay.jetty.security.PKCS12Import my.p12 my.jks
> keytool -list -v -keystore my.jks -storepass pass
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2008, at 24:54 , Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>> Joerg Heinicke schrieb:
>>> On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
>>>> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
>>> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development
>>> with Mac OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do
>>> you do it?
>>
>> Today I have faced the first real barrier: I had to convert a
>> PKCS12 keystore to JKS, which is only possible with JDK 6 (AFAIK),
>> so I had to use a Windows machine for this task :(
>>
>> -- Andreas
>>
>>
>>> Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java
>>> sources are only the tip of the iceberg. Every tree representation
>>> in Eclipse just sucks. Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is
>>> completely inconsistent, especially with Java programs. There
>>> seems to be no serious SVN command line client (or at least the
>>> CollabNet download page is just self-linking at the moment: http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html)
>>> . And so on ... Windows has also bunch of annoying issues but
>>> there is at least consistency and usually there is a solution for
>>> everything. Do you guys all switch to Linux when it comes to Java
>>> development? :)
>>> Joerg
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andreas Hartmann, CTO
>> BeCompany GmbH
>> http://www.becompany.ch
>> Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
>>
>
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Tom Wagner <to...@iroid.net>.
hi,
with a jetty-class i did it
don't know - i'm sure there are better solutions
java -version
java version "1.5.0_13"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_13-
b05-237)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_13-119, mixed mode, sharing)
(on a mac)
openssl pkcs12 -export -in my.crt -inkey my.key -out my.p12
keytool -storetype pkcs12 -list -v -keystore my.p12 -storepass pass
openssl pkcs12 -info -in my.p12
java -classpath /local/mvn/repo/org/mortbay/jetty/jetty/6.1.4/
jetty-6.1.4.jar org.mortbay.jetty.security.PKCS12Import my.p12 my.jks
keytool -list -v -keystore my.jks -storepass pass
On Apr 8, 2008, at 24:54 , Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Joerg Heinicke schrieb:
>> On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
>>> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
>> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with
>> Mac OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you
>> do it?
>
> Today I have faced the first real barrier: I had to convert a PKCS12
> keystore to JKS, which is only possible with JDK 6 (AFAIK), so I had
> to use a Windows machine for this task :(
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
>> Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java
>> sources are only the tip of the iceberg. Every tree representation
>> in Eclipse just sucks. Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is
>> completely inconsistent, especially with Java programs. There seems
>> to be no serious SVN command line client (or at least the CollabNet
>> download page is just self-linking at the moment: http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html)
>> . And so on ... Windows has also bunch of annoying issues but there
>> is at least consistency and usually there is a solution for
>> everything. Do you guys all switch to Linux when it comes to Java
>> development? :)
>> Joerg
>
>
> --
> Andreas Hartmann, CTO
> BeCompany GmbH
> http://www.becompany.ch
> Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
>
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Joerg Heinicke schrieb:
> On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
>
>> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
>
> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with Mac
> OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you do it?
Today I have faced the first real barrier: I had to convert a PKCS12
keystore to JKS, which is only possible with JDK 6 (AFAIK), so I had to
use a Windows machine for this task :(
-- Andreas
> Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java sources
> are only the tip of the iceberg. Every tree representation in Eclipse
> just sucks. Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent,
> especially with Java programs. There seems to be no serious SVN command
> line client (or at least the CollabNet download page is just
> self-linking at the moment:
> http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html). And so on ... Windows
> has also bunch of annoying issues but there is at least consistency and
> usually there is a solution for everything. Do you guys all switch to
> Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
>
> Joerg
>
--
Andreas Hartmann, CTO
BeCompany GmbH
http://www.becompany.ch
Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development (was: Re: [jira] Updated: (COCOON-2063))
Posted by Andrew Savory <as...@apache.org>.
Hey,
2008/4/4 Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>:
> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with Mac OS
> X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you do it? Whenever I
> start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java sources are only the
> tip of the iceberg. Every tree representation in Eclipse just sucks.
> Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent, especially with
> Java programs. There seems to be no serious SVN command line client (or at
> least the CollabNet download page is just self-linking at the moment:
> http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html). And so on ... Windows has
> also bunch of annoying issues but there is at least consistency and usually
> there is a solution for everything. Do you guys all switch to Linux when it
> comes to Java development? :)
Nah, we all run windows on our macs, of course ;-)
Seriously though, you get used to the inconsistencies of keyboard
bindings. In fairness, eclipse on mac goes some way toward Mac-ness
(try Apple-, for preferences). SVN ships with OS X and I've never had
a problem with it (though a mature GUI svn client like tortoisesvn
would be nice sometimes).
Andrew.
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> Actually the consistency is what I love the most:
>> Emacs keybindings (Ctrl-{A,E,P,N,K,Y, etc}) work *everywhere*, even
>> the single-line textfields like the search box in web browsers.
>
> But not in Eclipse ;) Anyways, I don't want to get started with letters for
> cursor navigation.
>
You do know that there's an EMACs plugin for Eclipse?
--
Peter Hunsberger
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
On May 9, 2008, at 05:35, Joerg Heinicke wrote:
> On 08.05.2008 05:39, Lally Singh wrote:
>
>>>> What missing Java sources? They are in
>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/
>>> src.jar
>>> Hmm, not for me. Directory exists, but no src.jar inside. So where
>>> to get
>>> it from?
>> Came preinstalled on my mac. Did you install the dev tools?
>
> No dev tools. Are they only available for Leopard?
No ...I also had them on Tiger.
> I'm still on Tiger - and would rather switch to Linux than spending
> money for Leopard ;)
Oh boy. Just the time searching and fiddling around with alternative
approaches may be more expensive. But whatever rocks your boat.
>> Huh, I didn't realize people still run such older versions of MacOS.
>
> Tiger? Leopard is only out since 1/2 year, so what ... And I'm not
> willing to pay for it.
>
>> Java 6 is the first time apple's drug their feet for any real amt of
>> time like this. Java 5 was a few weeks after the general release,
>> but
>> nothing like this.
>
> Why a completely separated version after all? I can see the point of
> a native look&feel, but beyond that ...
With all due respect guys ...this getting way beyond OT for this list.
It's really that simple. If you think about java6 on OSX...
...shell out the 100 bucks for leopard (if you got a 64-bit Intel
machine)
...use the freebsd port if you don't need a UI
...stay on java5
...or install linux
It's really that simple.
cheers
--
Torsten
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by hepabolu <he...@gmail.com>.
Just chiming in.
>> Came preinstalled on my mac. Did you install the dev tools?
>
> No dev tools. Are they only available for Leopard? I'm still on Tiger -
> and would rather switch to Linux than spending money for Leopard ;)
All versions of Mac OS X (at least from Panther or Tiger) come with dev
tools on the installation CD/DVD. Just pop in the installation disk and
select the developer tools.
> That's probably personal taste. I can do lots of stuff faster with just
> the keyboard.
LOL the ability to do much more with just the keyboard is one of the
strong arguments for me to switch to OS X. ;-)
> But not in Eclipse ;) Anyways, I don't want to get started with letters
> for cursor navigation.
Eclipse, jEdit and many other developer tools are more or less platform
independent and therefore by definition not mac-native. Using Windows
you're used to having a diversion in keybindings and GUI-interface
layout, but Mac apps are much more consistent, so the exception to the
rule stands out more prominently.
The reason Mac apps are more consistent is the fact that a larger part
of the underlying frameworks are available to the developers. This also
results in applications that are much smaller.
>> Huh, I didn't realize people still run such older versions of MacOS.
>
> Tiger? Leopard is only out since 1/2 year, so what ... And I'm not
> willing to pay for it.
I agree. 'Older versions' should refer to pre-Tiger versions. I truly
think some people are on those, but the majority has moved to Tiger or
Leopard by now. From what I read Tiger is considered a very stable, very
mature version, while Leopard seems to be a kind of 'infant of the new
generation'. It does provide new and interesting functionality, but it
also introduces problems that will probably be solved in the next
updates/versions.
> Why a completely separated version after all? I can see the point of a
> native look&feel, but beyond that ...
It's not a completely separated version. AFAIK it's repackaged to fit in
Apple's idea of how to layout the frameworks. At least it's set up in a
way that changing versions is really simple.
And yes, sometimes it would be better if Apple didn't force their ideas
on the users so much.
Bye, Helma
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 08.05.2008 05:39, Lally Singh wrote:
>>> What missing Java sources? They are in
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/src.jar
>> Hmm, not for me. Directory exists, but no src.jar inside. So where to get
>> it from?
>
> Came preinstalled on my mac. Did you install the dev tools?
No dev tools. Are they only available for Leopard? I'm still on Tiger -
and would rather switch to Linux than spending money for Leopard ;)
> There's no way in hell I'm traversing a tree with a
> keyboard. I have a mouse, a good one, and it does everything I want
> faster than any keyboard.
That's probably personal taste. I can do lots of stuff faster with just
the keyboard.
>>>> Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent, especially
>> with Java programs.
>>> Uh? What is "consistency" besides the usual cut/copy/paste?
>>>
>> What about Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Left/Right/Up/Down/Page Up/Page Down/Home/End?
>> I use these key combinations very heavily in Windows - and try to use
>> similar cominations in Mac OS X, but pretty much every program has its own
>> combinations. Notebook keyboard with fn seems to complicate it even more.
>> Especially annoying in Eclipse fn+Left (which should be Home) jumps to first
>> position in file.
>
> Actually the consistency is what I love the most:
> Emacs keybindings (Ctrl-{A,E,P,N,K,Y, etc}) work *everywhere*, even
> the single-line textfields like the search box in web browsers.
But not in Eclipse ;) Anyways, I don't want to get started with letters
for cursor navigation.
> Command-left,right,up,down move to the beginning & end of the line
> or document. Same global consistency.
Not in jEdit. Also fn+left jumps to beginning of document - with cursor
in Eclipse, without moving cursor (just scrolling) in SeaMonkey.
> Option left-right move between words. Option up/down goes up/down a
> page. Again, consistent.
Not at all in jEdit. Option+up/down moves lines in Eclipse.
> Sorry it's not identical to windows, which was copied by linux, but it
> *is* better.
Can't agree.
> Huh, I didn't realize people still run such older versions of MacOS.
Tiger? Leopard is only out since 1/2 year, so what ... And I'm not
willing to pay for it.
> Java 6 is the first time apple's drug their feet for any real amt of
> time like this. Java 5 was a few weeks after the general release, but
> nothing like this.
Why a completely separated version after all? I can see the point of a
native look&feel, but beyond that ...
Joerg
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Lally Singh <la...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java sources
> are only the tip of the iceberg.
> > >
> >
> > What missing Java sources? They are in
> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/src.jar
> >
>
> Hmm, not for me. Directory exists, but no src.jar inside. So where to get
> it from?
Came preinstalled on my mac. Did you install the dev tools?
> > > Every tree representation in Eclipse just sucks.
> > What sucks? The missing vertical lines? It means a bit more indentation,
> but less visual clutter. And my Mighty Mouse's scroll ball does magic to
> navigate in all directions :-)
> I have a Logitech MX Revolution, so sidewards scrolling isn't a problem.
> But try keyboard navigation. You are on the 100th child and hit left key. I
> now expect to jump to the parent and on the next hit on left to close the
> parent.
VX Revo here. There's no way in hell I'm traversing a tree with a
keyboard. I have a mouse, a good one, and it does everything I want
faster than any keyboard.
I dumped eclipse a while back for being too broken/buggy for my
tastes. But, when I was using it, I just abbreviated the names in
package explorer. No problems after that.
Frankly the Mighty Mouse drives me crazy. Tried it once, almost threw
it against the wall.
> > > Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent, especially
> with Java programs.
> > >
> >
> > Uh? What is "consistency" besides the usual cut/copy/paste?
> >
>
> What about Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Left/Right/Up/Down/Page Up/Page Down/Home/End?
> I use these key combinations very heavily in Windows - and try to use
> similar cominations in Mac OS X, but pretty much every program has its own
> combinations. Notebook keyboard with fn seems to complicate it even more.
> Especially annoying in Eclipse fn+Left (which should be Home) jumps to first
> position in file.
Actually the consistency is what I love the most:
Emacs keybindings (Ctrl-{A,E,P,N,K,Y, etc}) work *everywhere*, even
the single-line textfields like the search box in web browsers.
Command-left,right,up,down move to the beginning & end of the line
or document. Same global consistency.
Option left-right move between words. Option up/down goes up/down a
page. Again, consistent.
These are the same in almost every program I've used so far. Every
*other* platform drives me crazy now.
The only time I ever hit the Fn keys are for page up/down in some
programs that don't do Option-* (e.g. bash, which traps those keys,
but can't use them properly), and if I want to use the function keys.
Most mac apps bind menu options to the command key and a letter,
making the function keys useful only for UI functions (e.g. exposé,
spaces) or apps ported from other platforms.
Sorry it's not identical to windows, which was copied by linux, but it
*is* better.
> > > There seems to be no serious SVN command line client (or at least the
> CollabNet download page is just self-linking at the moment:
> http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html).
> > >
> >
> > Install macports and just run "sudo port install subversion"
> >
>
> Found http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Subversion-on-Mac-OS-X and from there
> http://www.codingmonkeys.de/mbo/. So at least one problem solved.
Huh, I didn't realize people still run such older versions of MacOS.
Leopard has tools like svn, ant, mvn, ruby, python, etc installed by
default with the devtools. Only reason I got macports last time was
to install wireshark.
> > > And so on ... Windows has also bunch of annoying issues but there is at
> least consistency and usually there is a solution for everything. Do you
> guys all switch to Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
> > Naaaah. I'm very happy with my Mac :-)
> If I could just say the same ;)
Java 6 is the first time apple's drug their feet for any real amt of
time like this. Java 5 was a few weeks after the general release, but
nothing like this. Looks like they're strained for devs between Mac
OS X and the iPhone.
Again, did you install the dev tools off the Leopard DVD?
--
H. Lally Singh
Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science
Virginia Tech
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 04.04.2008 11:33, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
>>
>> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with
>> Mac OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you do it?
>
> Er... without any problem, and I nothing would make me swith back to
> Windoze :-)
>
>> Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java
>> sources are only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> What missing Java sources? They are in
> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/src.jar
Hmm, not for me. Directory exists, but no src.jar inside. So where to
get it from?
>> Every tree representation in Eclipse just sucks.
>
> What sucks? The missing vertical lines? It means a bit more indentation,
> but less visual clutter. And my Mighty Mouse's scroll ball does magic to
> navigate in all directions :-)
I have a Logitech MX Revolution, so sidewards scrolling isn't a problem.
But try keyboard navigation. You are on the 100th child and hit left
key. I now expect to jump to the parent and on the next hit on left to
close the parent.
>> Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent, especially
>> with Java programs.
>
> Uh? What is "consistency" besides the usual cut/copy/paste?
What about Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Left/Right/Up/Down/Page Up/Page
Down/Home/End? I use these key combinations very heavily in Windows -
and try to use similar cominations in Mac OS X, but pretty much every
program has its own combinations. Notebook keyboard with fn seems to
complicate it even more. Especially annoying in Eclipse fn+Left (which
should be Home) jumps to first position in file.
>> There seems to be no serious SVN command line client (or at least the
>> CollabNet download page is just self-linking at the moment:
>> http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html).
>
> Install macports and just run "sudo port install subversion"
Found http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Subversion-on-Mac-OS-X and from
there http://www.codingmonkeys.de/mbo/. So at least one problem solved.
>> And so on ... Windows has also bunch of annoying issues but there is
>> at least consistency and usually there is a solution for everything.
>> Do you guys all switch to Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
>
> Naaaah. I'm very happy with my Mac :-)
If I could just say the same ;)
Joerg
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
On Apr 4, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Joerg Heinicke wrote:
>> On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
>>
>> Every tree representation in Eclipse just sucks.
Shrug. Never was much of a fun of Eclipse myself...
>> There seems to be no serious SVN command line client (or at least
>> the CollabNet download page is just self-linking at the moment: http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html)
>> .
>
> Install macports and just run "sudo port install subversion"
Starting from Leopard there is no need...
~ $ which svn
/usr/bin/svn
~ $ svn --version
svn, version 1.4.4 (r25188)
compiled Sep 23 2007, 22:32:34
Vadim
Re: [OT] Mac OS X and Java development
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Joerg Heinicke wrote:
> On 03.04.2008 23:33, Jörg Heinicke (JIRA) wrote:
>
>> With Mac OS X I also have no access to the source code of the JDK.
>
> Which makes me wonder again how to do serious Java development with
> Mac OS X. I know a few of you guys are using Mac OS X. How do you do it?
Er... without any problem, and I nothing would make me swith back to
Windoze :-)
> Whenever I start this I get annoyed very fast. The missing Java
> sources are only the tip of the iceberg.
What missing Java sources? They are in
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/src.jar
> Every tree representation in Eclipse just sucks.
What sucks? The missing vertical lines? It means a bit more indentation,
but less visual clutter. And my Mighty Mouse's scroll ball does magic to
navigate in all directions :-)
> Keyboard navigation in Mac OS X is completely inconsistent, especially
> with Java programs.
Uh? What is "consistency" besides the usual cut/copy/paste? Note that I
don't use anything else than a Mac, so maybe I'm just used to the Mac's
own consistency :-)
> There seems to be no serious SVN command line client (or at least the
> CollabNet download page is just self-linking at the moment:
> http://downloads.open.collab.net/binaries.html).
Install macports and just run "sudo port install subversion"
> And so on ... Windows has also bunch of annoying issues but there is
> at least consistency and usually there is a solution for everything.
> Do you guys all switch to Linux when it comes to Java development? :)
Naaaah. I'm very happy with my Mac :-)
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez - http://bluxte.net