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Posted to dev@ant.apache.org by Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> on 2012/03/08 20:53:55 UTC
import remote file
Hello all,
I am looking for a functionality to allow me to import remote files
that contains tasks to be used in multiple projects. Something like:
<import file="http://path/to/reusable/file.xml" />
I know I can include this in an antlib inside a jar, ant download it
through ivy, but importing a remote file, seems to be easier way to
share this macros with other
projects.
I didn't find this functionality, and looking to open a jira ticket.
Just making sure it doesn't exist.
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Re: import remote file
Posted by Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>.
Jeffery,
thank you for taking the time to explain the potential source of error. I
am considering putting some macros on github. So a lot of the issues will
be avoided. And by properly labeling each revision (changes), I should be
ok with backward compatibility.
Thank you for the advice, Jeffery.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Jeffrey E Care <ca...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Don't misunderstand: I think a shared, common process is a good thing &
> should be encouraged. My problem is more about how that sharing is
> implemented by people who only "play" at being release engineers.
>
> Example:
>
> 1) Do you care about being able to recreate your builds a week from now? A
> month? A year? Five years? Ten years? (Yes, we still service product
> releases that have been in the field for 10+ years.)
> 2) Who owns the infrastructure where that remote, shared resource lives?
> 2a) Do you know who has write access to it?
> 2b) What policies are in place for auditing access & modification?
> 2c) What happens to your build when the URL changes?
> 2d) What disaster recovery & business continuity policies are in place
> in case the server hosting the remote resource gives up the ghost?
> 3) Are changes make in a backwards compatible fashion?
>
> This is just off the top of my head.
>
> Now, for some projects none of this is a concern. For other projects these
> are inviolable constraints that are necessarily at the forefront of
> everything we do.
>
> Are there ways to mitigate these concerns with using a remote resource in
> a build? Absolutely: you can clamp down on write access, use versioning,
> have SLAs and backups, etc. The take-away message is that there's a lot
> more complexity involved to properly support a remote resource than just
> chunking it up on a some random web server.
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> Jeffrey E. (Jeff) Care
> *carej@us.ibm.com* <ca...@us.ibm.com>
> IBM WebSphere Application Server
> WAS Release Engineering
>
> [image: WebSphere Mosiac]
> [image: WebSphere Brandmark]
>
>
>
> Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 03/08/2012 05:42:56
> PM:
>
> > From: Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>
> > To: Ant Developers List <de...@ant.apache.org>
> > Date: 03/08/2012 05:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: import remote file
> >
> > Jeffery,
> > thank you. I will try it soon.
> > Can you please let me know what makes you think it's terrible idea ?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey E Care <ca...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 03/08/2012
> 02:53:55
> > > PM:
> > >
> > >> I am looking for a functionality to allow me to import remote files
> > >> that contains tasks to be used in multiple projects. Something like:
> > >>
> > >> <import file="http://path/to/reusable/file.xml
> " />
>
> > >>
> > >> I know I can include this in an antlib inside a jar, ant download it
> > >> through ivy, but importing a remote file, seems to be easier way to
> > >> share this macros with other
> > >> projects.
> > >>
> > >> I didn't find this functionality, and looking to open a jira ticket.
> > >> Just making sure it doesn't exist.
> > >
> > > You should be able to do this today using a nested url resource.
> > >
> > > Of course I'm on record as thinking this is a TERRIBLE idea, so use at
> > > your own risk.
> >
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Re: import remote file
Posted by Jeffrey E Care <ca...@us.ibm.com>.
Don't misunderstand: I think a shared, common process is a good thing &
should be encouraged. My problem is more about how that sharing is
implemented by people who only "play" at being release engineers.
Example:
1) Do you care about being able to recreate your builds a week from now? A
month? A year? Five years? Ten years? (Yes, we still service product
releases that have been in the field for 10+ years.)
2) Who owns the infrastructure where that remote, shared resource lives?
2a) Do you know who has write access to it?
2b) What policies are in place for auditing access & modification?
2c) What happens to your build when the URL changes?
2d) What disaster recovery & business continuity policies are in place
in case the server hosting the remote resource gives up the ghost?
3) Are changes make in a backwards compatible fashion?
This is just off the top of my head.
Now, for some projects none of this is a concern. For other projects these
are inviolable constraints that are necessarily at the forefront of
everything we do.
Are there ways to mitigate these concerns with using a remote resource in
a build? Absolutely: you can clamp down on write access, use versioning,
have SLAs and backups, etc. The take-away message is that there's a lot
more complexity involved to properly support a remote resource than just
chunking it up on a some random web server.
____________________________________________________________________________________________
Jeffrey E. (Jeff) Care
carej@us.ibm.com
IBM WebSphere Application Server
WAS Release Engineering
Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 03/08/2012 05:42:56
PM:
> From: Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>
> To: Ant Developers List <de...@ant.apache.org>
> Date: 03/08/2012 05:43 PM
> Subject: Re: import remote file
>
> Jeffery,
> thank you. I will try it soon.
> Can you please let me know what makes you think it's terrible idea ?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey E Care <ca...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 03/08/2012
02:53:55
> > PM:
> >
> >> I am looking for a functionality to allow me to import remote files
> >> that contains tasks to be used in multiple projects. Something like:
> >>
> >> <import file="http://path/to/reusable/file.xml" />
> >>
> >> I know I can include this in an antlib inside a jar, ant download it
> >> through ivy, but importing a remote file, seems to be easier way to
> >> share this macros with other
> >> projects.
> >>
> >> I didn't find this functionality, and looking to open a jira ticket.
> >> Just making sure it doesn't exist.
> >
> > You should be able to do this today using a nested url resource.
> >
> > Of course I'm on record as thinking this is a TERRIBLE idea, so use at
> > your own risk.
>
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@ant.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@ant.apache.org
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Re: import remote file
Posted by Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>.
Jeffery,
thank you. I will try it soon.
Can you please let me know what makes you think it's terrible idea ?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey E Care <ca...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 03/08/2012 02:53:55
> PM:
>
>> I am looking for a functionality to allow me to import remote files
>> that contains tasks to be used in multiple projects. Something like:
>>
>> <import file="http://path/to/reusable/file.xml" />
>>
>> I know I can include this in an antlib inside a jar, ant download it
>> through ivy, but importing a remote file, seems to be easier way to
>> share this macros with other
>> projects.
>>
>> I didn't find this functionality, and looking to open a jira ticket.
>> Just making sure it doesn't exist.
>
> You should be able to do this today using a nested url resource.
>
> Of course I'm on record as thinking this is a TERRIBLE idea, so use at
> your own risk.
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Re: import remote file
Posted by Jeffrey E Care <ca...@us.ibm.com>.
Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 03/08/2012 02:53:55
PM:
> I am looking for a functionality to allow me to import remote files
> that contains tasks to be used in multiple projects. Something like:
>
> <import file="http://path/to/reusable/file.xml" />
>
> I know I can include this in an antlib inside a jar, ant download it
> through ivy, but importing a remote file, seems to be easier way to
> share this macros with other
> projects.
>
> I didn't find this functionality, and looking to open a jira ticket.
> Just making sure it doesn't exist.
You should be able to do this today using a nested url resource.
Of course I'm on record as thinking this is a TERRIBLE idea, so use at
your own risk.