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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> on 2015/11/12 07:54:40 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Hi all,
I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
the following plan:
1. More professional website
I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
website.
In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
platform.
So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
2. New guides/documentation
I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
recipes for users.
All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
on the Decanter guide:
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
such look'n feel.
3. Meetups
I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
enthusiasts.
I will give you more details soon.
Thoughts ?
Regards
JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Giuseppe,
One is not the opposite of the other: an OpenSource project doesn't have
to have a crappy website ;)
Without kinding, I agree, I will work on the content to show more our
affiliation.
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 12:49 PM, Giuseppe Gerla wrote:
> Hi JB
> great work. The new design is very pleasant. I agree with Christian, it
> looks so much commercial... if someone, with no know how on Karaf, opens it
> for the first time, he would think that Karaf is a paid product.
> Probably adding reference to Apache Community will mitigate this aspect.
>
> I'm really excited to participate in a meeting about Karaf.
>
> Regards
> Giuseppe
>
>
> 2015-11-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the
>> following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home
>> one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
>> for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>> on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such
>> look'n feel.
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors
>> in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Giuseppe Gerla <gi...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB
great work. The new design is very pleasant. I agree with Christian, it
looks so much commercial... if someone, with no know how on Karaf, opens it
for the first time, he would think that Karaf is a paid product.
Probably adding reference to Apache Community will mitigate this aspect.
I'm really excited to participate in a meeting about Karaf.
Regards
Giuseppe
2015-11-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the
> following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home
> one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
> for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such
> look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors
> in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Andrea,
user guide is already done, and I'm working on the complete refactoring
of the dev guide (with samples in the distro). Maybe you can help me
there (sample).
Regards
JB
On 12/01/2015 07:02 PM, Andrea Cosentino wrote:
> Hi JB,
>
> Looks great!
>
> Nice. Let me know if you need help migrating the documentation.
>
> Thank you.
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Andrea Cosentino <an...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Hi JB,
Looks great!
Nice. Let me know if you need help migrating the documentation.
Thank you.
--
Andrea Cosentino
---------------------------------
Apache Camel PMC Member
Email: ancosen1985@yahoo.com
Twitter: @oscerd2
Github: oscerd
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
Hi guys,
I updated the website proposal:
http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
(don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
sliders, etc.
Now, I'm working on:
1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
samples embedded in the distribution
Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments (on
IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
Thanks,
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
> platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
> recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Yes, let me do that.
Thanks
Regards
JB
On 12/03/2015 08:56 AM, Morgan Hautman wrote:
> As discussed on Skype:
>
> It would be better if the menu sticks to the left even when the users
> scolls down.
> For the font-size , better define text with "em" instead of "px".
>
> Regards,
> Morgan
>
> On 12/02/2015 04:48 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> I added a left menu, change the bullet form, align the project section
>> on left (instead of right). For the font-size, I'm not sure for now (I
>> setted to 14px for now, I tried 16px but I don't like the result that
>> much).
>>
>> The proposal is on the same location:
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 12/02/2015 09:48 AM, Morgan Hautman wrote:
>>> HI JB,
>>>
>>> Some remarks / improvements I see:
>>>
>>> I think the font is too small , particularly the headings.
>>>
>>> Since you want to put everything (like the releases for example) on a
>>> single page. It might be a good idea to add a sort of quick navigation
>>> on the left of each page. Like I did here ->
>>> http://mhautman.com/karaf-site/
>>>
>>> On the home page, when you scroll down to "Projects", it's a nice try to
>>> put all the Text centered at the right but It's IMHO it's really weird
>>> and even more with the bullets. You should try to make the bullet center
>>> to the left but let the whole content float to the left. (If you get
>>> what I mean..)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Morgan
>>>
>>> On 12/01/2015 04:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I updated the website proposal:
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>>>
>>>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
>>>> sliders, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I'm working on:
>>>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>>>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
>>>> samples embedded in the distribution
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments
>>>> (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>>> tool,
>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>>> that we
>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>>> website.
>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>>> OSGi. The
>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>>> platform.
>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>
>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>>> documentation.
>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>>> output
>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs,
>>>>> and
>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Morgan Hautman <mo...@gmail.com>.
As discussed on Skype:
It would be better if the menu sticks to the left even when the users
scolls down.
For the font-size , better define text with "em" instead of "px".
Regards,
Morgan
On 12/02/2015 04:48 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> I added a left menu, change the bullet form, align the project section
> on left (instead of right). For the font-size, I'm not sure for now (I
> setted to 14px for now, I tried 16px but I don't like the result that
> much).
>
> The proposal is on the same location:
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 12/02/2015 09:48 AM, Morgan Hautman wrote:
>> HI JB,
>>
>> Some remarks / improvements I see:
>>
>> I think the font is too small , particularly the headings.
>>
>> Since you want to put everything (like the releases for example) on a
>> single page. It might be a good idea to add a sort of quick navigation
>> on the left of each page. Like I did here ->
>> http://mhautman.com/karaf-site/
>>
>> On the home page, when you scroll down to "Projects", it's a nice try to
>> put all the Text centered at the right but It's IMHO it's really weird
>> and even more with the bullets. You should try to make the bullet center
>> to the left but let the whole content float to the left. (If you get
>> what I mean..)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Morgan
>>
>> On 12/01/2015 04:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I updated the website proposal:
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>>
>>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
>>> sliders, etc.
>>>
>>> Now, I'm working on:
>>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
>>> samples embedded in the distribution
>>>
>>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments
>>> (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>>
>>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>> tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>> that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>> the following plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>> OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>> platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>> documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>> recipes for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>> output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs,
>>>> and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
I added a left menu, change the bullet form, align the project section
on left (instead of right). For the font-size, I'm not sure for now (I
setted to 14px for now, I tried 16px but I don't like the result that much).
The proposal is on the same location:
http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
Regards
JB
On 12/02/2015 09:48 AM, Morgan Hautman wrote:
> HI JB,
>
> Some remarks / improvements I see:
>
> I think the font is too small , particularly the headings.
>
> Since you want to put everything (like the releases for example) on a
> single page. It might be a good idea to add a sort of quick navigation
> on the left of each page. Like I did here ->
> http://mhautman.com/karaf-site/
>
> On the home page, when you scroll down to "Projects", it's a nice try to
> put all the Text centered at the right but It's IMHO it's really weird
> and even more with the bullets. You should try to make the bullet center
> to the left but let the whole content float to the left. (If you get
> what I mean..)
>
> Regards,
> Morgan
>
> On 12/01/2015 04:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I updated the website proposal:
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>
>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
>> sliders, etc.
>>
>> Now, I'm working on:
>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
>> samples embedded in the distribution
>>
>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments
>> (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>
>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>> the following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>> website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>> platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>> recipes for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>> such look'n feel.
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>> enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Thanks Morgan,
let me integrate your comments.
Regards
JB
On 12/02/2015 09:48 AM, Morgan Hautman wrote:
> HI JB,
>
> Some remarks / improvements I see:
>
> I think the font is too small , particularly the headings.
>
> Since you want to put everything (like the releases for example) on a
> single page. It might be a good idea to add a sort of quick navigation
> on the left of each page. Like I did here ->
> http://mhautman.com/karaf-site/
>
> On the home page, when you scroll down to "Projects", it's a nice try to
> put all the Text centered at the right but It's IMHO it's really weird
> and even more with the bullets. You should try to make the bullet center
> to the left but let the whole content float to the left. (If you get
> what I mean..)
>
> Regards,
> Morgan
>
> On 12/01/2015 04:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I updated the website proposal:
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>
>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
>> sliders, etc.
>>
>> Now, I'm working on:
>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
>> samples embedded in the distribution
>>
>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments
>> (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>
>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>> the following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>> website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>> platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>> recipes for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>> such look'n feel.
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>> enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Morgan Hautman <mo...@gmail.com>.
HI JB,
Some remarks / improvements I see:
I think the font is too small , particularly the headings.
Since you want to put everything (like the releases for example) on a
single page. It might be a good idea to add a sort of quick navigation
on the left of each page. Like I did here -> http://mhautman.com/karaf-site/
On the home page, when you scroll down to "Projects", it's a nice try to
put all the Text centered at the right but It's IMHO it's really weird
and even more with the bullets. You should try to make the bullet center
to the left but let the whole content float to the left. (If you get
what I mean..)
Regards,
Morgan
On 12/01/2015 04:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I updated the website proposal:
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>
> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
> sliders, etc.
>
> Now, I'm working on:
> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
> samples embedded in the distribution
>
> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments
> (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>
> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>> the following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>> platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>> recipes for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>> on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>> such look'n feel.
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>> enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Ah you mean directly the video on the Karaf website.
Yes, good idea !
Let me add this too ;)
Regards
JB
On 12/02/2015 10:30 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
> Hi JB,
>
> I was wondering about something like this : http://aurelia.io
>
> Basically a very exposed video that explains the basic first steps or talks about the project. I was also wondering if we should do something like this for Unomi. Actually I was also wondering if it’s ok to embed a YouTube video, not necessarily recorded at ApacheCon in an Apache website ?
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
>
>> On 2 déc. 2015, at 10:22, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> thanks for your comments as well !
>>
>> Let me try to cleanup the bullets.
>>
>> For the videos/slides, I put this in the Documentation section (with articles, tutorials, etc).
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 12/02/2015 10:19 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>> Love the new project, especially the new messaging that makes it a lot clearer.
>>>
>>> The projects part is fantastic in terms of message but I think it needs a little improvements because the bullets look weird. Maybe just remove the bullets ?
>>>
>>> Also it would be great to have a “videos” section if there are any recorded sessions of Karaf talks. Or at the least slidedecks. What do you think about that ?
>>>
>>> I also noticed Karaf Boot is already in there, cool !
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 1 déc. 2015, at 16:39, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I updated the website proposal:
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>>>
>>>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news sliders, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I'm working on:
>>>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>>>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with samples embedded in the distribution
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>>> website.
>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>>> platform.
>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>
>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Hi JB,
I was wondering about something like this : http://aurelia.io
Basically a very exposed video that explains the basic first steps or talks about the project. I was also wondering if we should do something like this for Unomi. Actually I was also wondering if it’s ok to embed a YouTube video, not necessarily recorded at ApacheCon in an Apache website ?
cheers,
Serge…
> On 2 déc. 2015, at 10:22, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Serge,
>
> thanks for your comments as well !
>
> Let me try to cleanup the bullets.
>
> For the videos/slides, I put this in the Documentation section (with articles, tutorials, etc).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 12/02/2015 10:19 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>> Love the new project, especially the new messaging that makes it a lot clearer.
>>
>> The projects part is fantastic in terms of message but I think it needs a little improvements because the bullets look weird. Maybe just remove the bullets ?
>>
>> Also it would be great to have a “videos” section if there are any recorded sessions of Karaf talks. Or at the least slidedecks. What do you think about that ?
>>
>> I also noticed Karaf Boot is already in there, cool !
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>>
>>> On 1 déc. 2015, at 16:39, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I updated the website proposal:
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>>
>>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news sliders, etc.
>>>
>>> Now, I'm working on:
>>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with samples embedded in the distribution
>>>
>>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>>
>>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>> the following plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>> platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>> recipes for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Serge,
thanks for your comments as well !
Let me try to cleanup the bullets.
For the videos/slides, I put this in the Documentation section (with
articles, tutorials, etc).
Regards
JB
On 12/02/2015 10:19 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
> Love the new project, especially the new messaging that makes it a lot clearer.
>
> The projects part is fantastic in terms of message but I think it needs a little improvements because the bullets look weird. Maybe just remove the bullets ?
>
> Also it would be great to have a “videos” section if there are any recorded sessions of Karaf talks. Or at the least slidedecks. What do you think about that ?
>
> I also noticed Karaf Boot is already in there, cool !
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
>
>> On 1 déc. 2015, at 16:39, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I updated the website proposal:
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>>
>> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news sliders, etc.
>>
>> Now, I'm working on:
>> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
>> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with samples embedded in the distribution
>>
>> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>>
>> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>> the following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>> website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>> platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>> recipes for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>> such look'n feel.
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>> enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Love the new project, especially the new messaging that makes it a lot clearer.
The projects part is fantastic in terms of message but I think it needs a little improvements because the bullets look weird. Maybe just remove the bullets ?
Also it would be great to have a “videos” section if there are any recorded sessions of Karaf talks. Or at the least slidedecks. What do you think about that ?
I also noticed Karaf Boot is already in there, cool !
cheers,
Serge…
> On 1 déc. 2015, at 16:39, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I updated the website proposal:
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> (don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
>
> I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news sliders, etc.
>
> Now, I'm working on:
> 1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
> 2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with samples embedded in the distribution
>
> Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments (on IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
>
> I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>> the following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>> platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>> recipes for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>> on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>> such look'n feel.
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>> enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi guys,
I updated the website proposal:
http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
(don't forget to reload the page cache with CTRL-R for instance).
I added most of the pages (I have to clean up some links), the news
sliders, etc.
Now, I'm working on:
1. migrating the documentation to asciidoc (like the decanter one)
2. revamping of the dev guide to be more "recipes oriented", with
samples embedded in the distribution
Regarding the website, please, don't hesitate to share your comments (on
IRC, Skype, mail, or mailing list), I will integrate it.
I would like to promote this new "marketing" material soon.
Thanks,
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
> platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
> recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Jamie,
big +1 to invite NOSOS and OpenDaylight guys !
Actually, I'm also thinking a "Karaf Powered" section on the website to
give place to communities and companies using Karaf.
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 10:39 AM, Jamie G. wrote:
> Wow, nice job on the demo website :)
>
> Another group to discuss Karaf user meet ups is with the OpenDaylight
> community - they already have a large network of SDN meet up groups,
> they're all Karaf users by default now.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Hi Achim,
>>
>> thanks for the update, and great idea about the naming. I will update the
>> site proposal accordingly.
>>
>> For the asciidoc, that's the purpose: link the doc directly in the karaf and
>> karaf-boot samples.
>>
>> For the meetup, for now, I'm talking with potential sponsors. I will get
>> back to you soon.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/2015 08:49 AM, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi JB,
>>>
>>> great design for the website.
>>> Just one small "critique" I would like to see all Projects of beeing equal
>>> to each other, so no "sub-projects" anylonger.
>>> Therefore my idea would be to call Karaf -> Karaf-Container (at least in
>>> the docs) to show that all of the "sub-projects" are equal in terms of
>>> priority to us.
>>> This would result in a Karaf-Container, Karaf-Decanter, Karaf-Cellar,
>>> Karaf-Cave and last but not least Karaf-Boot on our new website.
>>> This in combination with the new Asciidoc related documentation should
>>> help
>>> a lot.
>>> Regarding recipes in the docs, this is where asciidoc comes in real handy
>>> cause we can actually link to "online" resources in the asciidoc sources
>>> which will be rendered
>>> during rendering time. That reduces code duplication, and makes it much
>>> easier to point to sample code or test code which already exists in our
>>> repository.
>>>
>>> regarding the meetups idea I'm anxious to find out what you have in mind
>>> here.
>>>
>>> regards, Achim
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-11-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>>>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the
>>>> following plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>>>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that
>>>> Karaf
>>>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>>>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home
>>>> one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>> recipes
>>>> for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such
>>>> look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors
>>>> in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
Wow, nice job on the demo website :)
Another group to discuss Karaf user meet ups is with the OpenDaylight
community - they already have a large network of SDN meet up groups,
they're all Karaf users by default now.
Cheers,
Jamie
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Hi Achim,
>
> thanks for the update, and great idea about the naming. I will update the
> site proposal accordingly.
>
> For the asciidoc, that's the purpose: link the doc directly in the karaf and
> karaf-boot samples.
>
> For the meetup, for now, I'm talking with potential sponsors. I will get
> back to you soon.
>
> Thanks
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 11/12/2015 08:49 AM, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>
>> Hi JB,
>>
>> great design for the website.
>> Just one small "critique" I would like to see all Projects of beeing equal
>> to each other, so no "sub-projects" anylonger.
>> Therefore my idea would be to call Karaf -> Karaf-Container (at least in
>> the docs) to show that all of the "sub-projects" are equal in terms of
>> priority to us.
>> This would result in a Karaf-Container, Karaf-Decanter, Karaf-Cellar,
>> Karaf-Cave and last but not least Karaf-Boot on our new website.
>> This in combination with the new Asciidoc related documentation should
>> help
>> a lot.
>> Regarding recipes in the docs, this is where asciidoc comes in real handy
>> cause we can actually link to "online" resources in the asciidoc sources
>> which will be rendered
>> during rendering time. That reduces code duplication, and makes it much
>> easier to point to sample code or test code which already exists in our
>> repository.
>>
>> regarding the meetups idea I'm anxious to find out what you have in mind
>> here.
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>>
>> 2015-11-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the
>>> following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>> website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that
>>> Karaf
>>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>> home
>>> one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>> recipes
>>> for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such
>>> look'n feel.
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors
>>> in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>> enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Achim,
thanks for the update, and great idea about the naming. I will update
the site proposal accordingly.
For the asciidoc, that's the purpose: link the doc directly in the karaf
and karaf-boot samples.
For the meetup, for now, I'm talking with potential sponsors. I will get
back to you soon.
Thanks
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 08:49 AM, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
> Hi JB,
>
> great design for the website.
> Just one small "critique" I would like to see all Projects of beeing equal
> to each other, so no "sub-projects" anylonger.
> Therefore my idea would be to call Karaf -> Karaf-Container (at least in
> the docs) to show that all of the "sub-projects" are equal in terms of
> priority to us.
> This would result in a Karaf-Container, Karaf-Decanter, Karaf-Cellar,
> Karaf-Cave and last but not least Karaf-Boot on our new website.
> This in combination with the new Asciidoc related documentation should help
> a lot.
> Regarding recipes in the docs, this is where asciidoc comes in real handy
> cause we can actually link to "online" resources in the asciidoc sources
> which will be rendered
> during rendering time. That reduces code duplication, and makes it much
> easier to point to sample code or test code which already exists in our
> repository.
>
> regarding the meetups idea I'm anxious to find out what you have in mind
> here.
>
> regards, Achim
>
>
> 2015-11-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the
>> following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home
>> one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
>> for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>> on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such
>> look'n feel.
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors
>> in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi JB,
great design for the website.
Just one small "critique" I would like to see all Projects of beeing equal
to each other, so no "sub-projects" anylonger.
Therefore my idea would be to call Karaf -> Karaf-Container (at least in
the docs) to show that all of the "sub-projects" are equal in terms of
priority to us.
This would result in a Karaf-Container, Karaf-Decanter, Karaf-Cellar,
Karaf-Cave and last but not least Karaf-Boot on our new website.
This in combination with the new Asciidoc related documentation should help
a lot.
Regarding recipes in the docs, this is where asciidoc comes in real handy
cause we can actually link to "online" resources in the asciidoc sources
which will be rendered
during rendering time. That reduces code duplication, and makes it much
easier to point to sample code or test code which already exists in our
repository.
regarding the meetups idea I'm anxious to find out what you have in mind
here.
regards, Achim
2015-11-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the
> following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home
> one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
> for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such
> look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors
> in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Good point !
Yes, it should be part of the "how to contribute" section. Let me add this.
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 10:50 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> On 12.11.2015 10:40, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>
>> 2. I think it's already do-able for non committers: they can propose
>> PullRequests or patches. The drawback is maybe the documentation: how
>> to contribute and it should be on the website.
> Documentation is nice but it must be a lot easier than: Fork repo, clone
> to your system, edit, add, commit, push, pull request. Those are just
> too many steps.
>
> I recently found that you can edit a foreign file directly in github.
> For example open this url:
> https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/manual/src/main/asciidoc/users-guide/jdbc.adoc
>
> Then use the edit button. It will implicitly create a fork and a branch
> on your account. When you then save it offers to directly commit and
> create a pull request. That is almost as convenient as confluence.
>
> We could just add an edit link from each page on the web to the
> respective file at github.
>
> Of course we would also need some documentation to tell people how the
> workflow is and for example that they must publish their edits with
> apache license or similar. The main thing though is to make the edit
> flow as easy as possible.
>
> Christian
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
On 12.11.2015 10:40, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>
> 2. I think it's already do-able for non committers: they can propose
> PullRequests or patches. The drawback is maybe the documentation: how
> to contribute and it should be on the website.
Documentation is nice but it must be a lot easier than: Fork repo, clone
to your system, edit, add, commit, push, pull request. Those are just
too many steps.
I recently found that you can edit a foreign file directly in github.
For example open this url:
https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/manual/src/main/asciidoc/users-guide/jdbc.adoc
Then use the edit button. It will implicitly create a fork and a branch
on your account. When you then save it offers to directly commit and
create a pull request. That is almost as convenient as confluence.
We could just add an edit link from each page on the web to the
respective file at github.
Of course we would also need some documentation to tell people how the
workflow is and for example that they must publish their edits with
apache license or similar. The main thing though is to make the edit
flow as easy as possible.
Christian
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Christian,
again, thanks for your feedback.
For the community aspect, you are right: let me add some section on the
home page to show the community.
2. I think it's already do-able for non committers: they can propose
PullRequests or patches. The drawback is maybe the documentation: how to
contribute and it should be on the website.
3. Fully agree to invite Eclipse, OSGi Alliance, and other guys ! That's
the purpose. For the organization, I gonna work on it (but we need
sponsor and help first ;)).
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 09:35 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> The visual design looks great and quite professional. It looks more like
> a company website though. So people might raise their marketing blabla
> shields on that optic.
> The current main message is also too abstract and too much like typical
> marketing speech. In any case the most important thing is that we need
> to followup marketing slogans
> with concrete little snippets and statistics that prove them.
>
> I also think we should focus more on the community aspect than the
> product on our site. In my opinion this is the main difference between
> open source and commercial offerings. We need to invite people to
> discuss and help.
> So I think some social network integration would be really important.
> For example we could show current tweets or a presentation/talk of the
> day. So people have some positive feedback if they promote karaf. We
> could also have a community member of the day or similar. People could
> add a picture and some text of how they use karaf. We could then show
> one of those profiles each day.
>
> 2.
> The new style for documentation looks great. On that side we should try
> to make it easier to work on the docs for non committers. So for example
> we could add a link on each page to the doc source on github. So people
> can easily edit the doc and submit changes as pull requests. So
> something like an "edit page" link like in confluence.
>
> 3.
> Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some
> people from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to
> work on converging these communities.
> Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
>
> Christian
>
> On 12.11.2015 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>> tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that
>> we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge
>> step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware
>> and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>> areas.
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>> the following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi.
>> The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of
>> end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to
>> explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over,
>> with karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>> paradigm platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>> documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight
>> forward, providing recipes for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>> output on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>> such look'n feel.
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs,
>> and enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi David,
great feedback, thank you so much !
By the way, I should be in the bay the second week of December. If some
users/devs want to share a beer and chat about Karaf, please let me know.
Thanks !
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 03:03 PM, development@mobigov.com wrote:
>
>
> A big +1 to getting others in the community involved. I don't think it
> is a lack of features that scares people away or draws them to karaf but
> the lack of tooling. I chose karaf because I liked the idea of OSGI and
> the features(capability) made it the easiest to get started, deploy my
> bundles and include needed dependencies. It was this ease of use and
> ability to integrate well with maven that helped my decision. I think
> huge strides have been made by bndtools, enroute and others in the
> community on the tooling side this past year and would love to see those
> capabilities integrate with karaf as easily and seamlessly as maven
> currently does. I don't think the issue is not enough exposure. I work
> in the US government sector and almost a half billion dollars a year
> http://www.c4isrnet.com/story/military-tech/2015/02/03/enterprise-services-emerging-tech-among-budget-big-winners/22820277/
> runs on top of karaf based government open source solutions
> https://github.com/di2e/ecdr https://github.com/codice/ddf Contractors
> and others integrating with those systems have to learn karaf. I think
> if the tooling was stronger then those people would be more likely to
> take it to their other projects. I also went to an OpenDaylight hackfest
> for people who would be new to ODL
> http://www.meetup.com/Software-Defined-Networking-Group-Baltimore-Washington/events/225629519/
> and more time had to be spent explaining karaf/osgi than ODL. I love
> karaf and osgi but think rather than not emphasizing osgi to try and get
> more people, it would be better to document and improve the tooling to
> make it as painless as possible. I think that is what karaf has brought
> to me.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> David Daniel
>
> On 2015-11-12 03:35, Christian Schneider wrote:
>
>> The visual design looks great and quite professional. It looks more like a company website though. So people might raise their marketing blabla shields on that optic.
>> The current main message is also too abstract and too much like typical marketing speech. In any case the most important thing is that we need to followup marketing slogans
>> with concrete little snippets and statistics that prove them.
>>
>> I also think we should focus more on the community aspect than the product on our site. In my opinion this is the main difference between open source and commercial offerings. We need to invite people to discuss and help.
>> So I think some social network integration would be really important. For example we could show current tweets or a presentation/talk of the day. So people have some positive feedback if they promote karaf. We could also have a community member of the day or similar. People could add a picture and some text of how they use karaf. We could then show one of those profiles each day.
>>
>> 2.
>> The new style for documentation looks great. On that side we should try to make it easier to work on the docs for non committers. So for example we could add a link on each page to the doc source on github. So people can easily edit the doc and submit changes as pull requests. So something like an "edit page" link like in confluence.
>>
>> 3.
>> Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some people from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to work on converging these communities.
>> Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On 12.11.2015 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing. I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing. Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas. In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the following plan: 1. More professional website I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the website. In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
> becomes
> also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform. So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message): http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/ [1] I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea. 2. New guides/documentation I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes for users. All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output on the Decanter guide: http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html [2] All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such look'n feel. 3. Meetups I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts. I will give you more detai
ls
> soon.
> Thoughts ? Regards JB
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
> [2] http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by de...@mobigov.com.
A big +1 to getting others in the community involved. I don't think it
is a lack of features that scares people away or draws them to karaf but
the lack of tooling. I chose karaf because I liked the idea of OSGI and
the features(capability) made it the easiest to get started, deploy my
bundles and include needed dependencies. It was this ease of use and
ability to integrate well with maven that helped my decision. I think
huge strides have been made by bndtools, enroute and others in the
community on the tooling side this past year and would love to see those
capabilities integrate with karaf as easily and seamlessly as maven
currently does. I don't think the issue is not enough exposure. I work
in the US government sector and almost a half billion dollars a year
http://www.c4isrnet.com/story/military-tech/2015/02/03/enterprise-services-emerging-tech-among-budget-big-winners/22820277/
runs on top of karaf based government open source solutions
https://github.com/di2e/ecdr https://github.com/codice/ddf Contractors
and others integrating with those systems have to learn karaf. I think
if the tooling was stronger then those people would be more likely to
take it to their other projects. I also went to an OpenDaylight hackfest
for people who would be new to ODL
http://www.meetup.com/Software-Defined-Networking-Group-Baltimore-Washington/events/225629519/
and more time had to be spent explaining karaf/osgi than ODL. I love
karaf and osgi but think rather than not emphasizing osgi to try and get
more people, it would be better to document and improve the tooling to
make it as painless as possible. I think that is what karaf has brought
to me.
My 2 cents,
David Daniel
On 2015-11-12 03:35, Christian Schneider wrote:
> The visual design looks great and quite professional. It looks more like a company website though. So people might raise their marketing blabla shields on that optic.
> The current main message is also too abstract and too much like typical marketing speech. In any case the most important thing is that we need to followup marketing slogans
> with concrete little snippets and statistics that prove them.
>
> I also think we should focus more on the community aspect than the product on our site. In my opinion this is the main difference between open source and commercial offerings. We need to invite people to discuss and help.
> So I think some social network integration would be really important. For example we could show current tweets or a presentation/talk of the day. So people have some positive feedback if they promote karaf. We could also have a community member of the day or similar. People could add a picture and some text of how they use karaf. We could then show one of those profiles each day.
>
> 2.
> The new style for documentation looks great. On that side we should try to make it easier to work on the docs for non committers. So for example we could add a link on each page to the doc source on github. So people can easily edit the doc and submit changes as pull requests. So something like an "edit page" link like in confluence.
>
> 3.
> Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some people from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to work on converging these communities.
> Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
>
> Christian
>
> On 12.11.2015 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing. I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing. Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas. In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the following plan: 1. More professional website I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the website. In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it becomes
also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform. So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message): http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/ [1] I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea. 2. New guides/documentation I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes for users. All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output on the Decanter guide: http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html [2] All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such look'n feel. 3. Meetups I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts. I will give you more details soon.
Thoughts ? Regards JB
Links:
------
[1] http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
[2] http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
>
> 3.
> Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some people from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to work on converging these communities.
> Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
This is a great idea, getting the Eclipse and OSGi alliance communities on-board and learning about Karaf would be great for everyone. This might also be a way to convince my company to chip in (can’t promise anything at this point though).
cheers,
Serge…
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
The visual design looks great and quite professional. It looks more like
a company website though. So people might raise their marketing blabla
shields on that optic.
The current main message is also too abstract and too much like typical
marketing speech. In any case the most important thing is that we need
to followup marketing slogans
with concrete little snippets and statistics that prove them.
I also think we should focus more on the community aspect than the
product on our site. In my opinion this is the main difference between
open source and commercial offerings. We need to invite people to
discuss and help.
So I think some social network integration would be really important.
For example we could show current tweets or a presentation/talk of the
day. So people have some positive feedback if they promote karaf. We
could also have a community member of the day or similar. People could
add a picture and some text of how they use karaf. We could then show
one of those profiles each day.
2.
The new style for documentation looks great. On that side we should try
to make it easier to work on the docs for non committers. So for example
we could add a link on each page to the doc source on github. So people
can easily edit the doc and submit changes as pull requests. So
something like an "edit page" link like in confluence.
3.
Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some
people from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to
work on converging these communities.
Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
Christian
On 12.11.2015 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
> tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that
> we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge
> step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware
> and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
> areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi.
> The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of
> end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to
> explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over,
> with karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
> paradigm platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
> documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight
> forward, providing recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
> output on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs,
> and enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Thanks ! I gonna fix that too ;)
Regards
JB
On 01/10/2016 06:16 PM, Morgan Hautman wrote:
> JB,
>
> A detail but what you may want to fix is your name not displaying
> correctly on the community page in the team section. (Jean-Baptiste
> Onofré)
>
> Regards,
> Morgan
>
> On 01/10/2016 06:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> I will start the vote for the new website tomorrow (I will update the
>> website proposal tonight, I fixed couple of things).
>>
>> As reminder, there's the proposal website:
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 01/07/2016 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> It sounds good ;)
>>>
>>> Let me polish couple things (couple of links are broken) and I will
>>> start the vote.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 01/07/2016 10:07 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Serge,
>>>>>
>>>>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>>>>
>>>> Just saw that, very cool !
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
>>>>> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>>>>
>>>> The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under
>>>> “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the
>>>> line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only
>>>> 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
>>>>
>>>> The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the
>>>> buttons that also have rounded corners.
>>>>
>>>> Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Serge…
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the
>>>>>> line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a
>>>>>> line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I
>>>>>> tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default
>>>>>> setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>>>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>>>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>>>>> display: inline-block;
>>>>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>>>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> Serge…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using
>>>>>>> CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and
>>>>>>> send your feedbacks to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf
>>>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>>>>>> tool,
>>>>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge
>>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to
>>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>>>>>> OSGi. The
>>>>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to
>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>>>>>>>> paradigm
>>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing
>>>>>>>> message):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages
>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users,
>>>>>>>> devs, and
>>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Morgan Hautman <mo...@gmail.com>.
JB,
A detail but what you may want to fix is your name not displaying
correctly on the community page in the team section. (Jean-Baptiste Onofré)
Regards,
Morgan
On 01/10/2016 06:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> I will start the vote for the new website tomorrow (I will update the
> website proposal tonight, I fixed couple of things).
>
> As reminder, there's the proposal website:
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 01/07/2016 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> It sounds good ;)
>>
>> Let me polish couple things (couple of links are broken) and I will
>> start the vote.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 01/07/2016 10:07 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Serge,
>>>>
>>>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>>>
>>> Just saw that, very cool !
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
>>>> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>>>
>>> The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under
>>> “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the
>>> line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only
>>> 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
>>>
>>> The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the
>>> buttons that also have rounded corners.
>>>
>>> Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the
>>>>> line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a
>>>>> line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I
>>>>> tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default
>>>>> setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>>>
>>>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>>>> display: inline-block;
>>>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Serge…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using
>>>>>> CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and
>>>>>> send your feedbacks to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf
>>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>>>>> tool,
>>>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge
>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to
>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>>>>> OSGi. The
>>>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to
>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>>>>>>> paradigm
>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing
>>>>>>> message):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages
>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users,
>>>>>>> devs, and
>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Fabian,
You should have provided those comments before, and your involvement
doesn't really change ;)
For the images, they are not necessary mean something (even if it's the
case here, but a bit subtitle true): just provide a better look'n feel.
Agree for the news, I will add swipe indications and a look to a regular
"archives" display.
Thanks,
Regards
JB
On 01/10/2016 06:29 PM, Fabian Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did not want to comment, but my new involvement with Karaf demands for it
> :)
>
> The only thing I do not like as much is the homepage/landingpage/startpage.
>
> The 3 columns do not attract me. The content could be a bit catchier, but
> most importantly, I think the graphics (rubix, gears, cloud) do not make
> much sense connected to the text. I would rather remove the graphics.
>
> The scrolling "news" scroll too fast. Or better: unpredictably. Sometimes
> they seem to be stuck, sometimes they move very fast. I think I would
> rather prefer to navigate the news manually. Edit: oh i can swipe it
> manually, guess that needs some kind of indication.
>
> Overall it is much nicer and modern than the old site. great work
>
> Fabian
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I will start the vote for the new website tomorrow (I will update the
>> website proposal tonight, I fixed couple of things).
>>
>> As reminder, there's the proposal website:
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 01/07/2016 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>
>>> It sounds good ;)
>>>
>>> Let me polish couple things (couple of links are broken) and I will
>>> start the vote.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 01/07/2016 10:07 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Serge,
>>>>>
>>>>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just saw that, very cool !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
>>>>> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under
>>>> “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the
>>>> line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only
>>>> 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
>>>>
>>>> The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the
>>>> buttons that also have rounded corners.
>>>>
>>>> Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Serge…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the
>>>>>> line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a
>>>>>> line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I
>>>>>> tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default
>>>>>> setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>>>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>>>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>>>>> display: inline-block;
>>>>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>>>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> Serge…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using
>>>>>>> CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and
>>>>>>> send your feedbacks to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf
>>>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>>>>>> tool,
>>>>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>>>>>> OSGi. The
>>>>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>>>>>>>> paradigm
>>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users,
>>>>>>>> devs, and
>>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Fabian Lange <fa...@codecentric.de>.
Hi,
I did not want to comment, but my new involvement with Karaf demands for it
:)
The only thing I do not like as much is the homepage/landingpage/startpage.
The 3 columns do not attract me. The content could be a bit catchier, but
most importantly, I think the graphics (rubix, gears, cloud) do not make
much sense connected to the text. I would rather remove the graphics.
The scrolling "news" scroll too fast. Or better: unpredictably. Sometimes
they seem to be stuck, sometimes they move very fast. I think I would
rather prefer to navigate the news manually. Edit: oh i can swipe it
manually, guess that needs some kind of indication.
Overall it is much nicer and modern than the old site. great work
Fabian
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> I will start the vote for the new website tomorrow (I will update the
> website proposal tonight, I fixed couple of things).
>
> As reminder, there's the proposal website:
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 01/07/2016 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>
>> It sounds good ;)
>>
>> Let me polish couple things (couple of links are broken) and I will
>> start the vote.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 01/07/2016 10:07 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Serge,
>>>>
>>>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just saw that, very cool !
>>>
>>>
>>>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
>>>> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>>>>
>>>
>>> The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under
>>> “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the
>>> line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only
>>> 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
>>>
>>> The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the
>>> buttons that also have rounded corners.
>>>
>>> Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>>
>>>
>>>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the
>>>>> line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a
>>>>> line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I
>>>>> tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default
>>>>> setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>>>
>>>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>>>> display: inline-block;
>>>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Serge…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using
>>>>>> CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and
>>>>>> send your feedbacks to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf
>>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>>>>> tool,
>>>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>>>>> OSGi. The
>>>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>>>>>>> paradigm
>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users,
>>>>>>> devs, and
>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
I will start the vote for the new website tomorrow (I will update the
website proposal tonight, I fixed couple of things).
As reminder, there's the proposal website:
http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
Regards
JB
On 01/07/2016 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> It sounds good ;)
>
> Let me polish couple things (couple of links are broken) and I will
> start the vote.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 01/07/2016 10:07 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Serge,
>>>
>>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>>
>> Just saw that, very cool !
>>
>>>
>>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
>>> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>>
>> The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under
>> “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the
>> line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only
>> 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
>>
>> The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the
>> buttons that also have rounded corners.
>>
>> Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>>>
>>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the
>>>> line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a
>>>> line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I
>>>> tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default
>>>> setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>>>
>>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>>
>>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>>
>>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>>> display: inline-block;
>>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Serge…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using
>>>>> CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and
>>>>> send your feedbacks to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf
>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>>>> tool,
>>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>>>> OSGi. The
>>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>>>>>> paradigm
>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>>>> output
>>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users,
>>>>>> devs, and
>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
It sounds good ;)
Let me polish couple things (couple of links are broken) and I will
start the vote.
Regards
JB
On 01/07/2016 10:07 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>
>> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>
> Just saw that, very cool !
>
>>
>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>
> The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
>
> The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the buttons that also have rounded corners.
>
> Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
>>
>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>>
>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>
>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>
>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>> display: inline-block;
>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>> }
>>>
>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>>
>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send your feedbacks to me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks !
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>>> website.
>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>>> platform.
>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>
>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
> On 7 janv. 2016, at 08:05, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Serge,
>
> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
Just saw that, very cool !
>
> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about line-height, but border-radius is fine).
The line-height fixes the problem of the list on the home page under “Projects” that has the lines too close together because the line-height was set to 20px and the font-size is 18px, leaving only 2px between lines. Letting it back to its default fixes that problem.
The border-radius also makes it more consistent with the look of the buttons that also have rounded corners.
Let’s vote now :) Let’s get this thing published :)
cheers,
Serge…
>
> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>
>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>
>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>
>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>> color: #f1f1f1;
>> display: inline-block;
>> border-radius: 5px;
>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>> }
>>
>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>>
>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>
>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send your feedbacks to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks !
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>> the following plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>> platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>> recipes for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Morgan Hautman <mo...@gmail.com>.
Hi Serge, JB,
Yes indeed , I told that to JB on Skype.
I think the line-height is a great catch , didn't notice it myself.
I also showed the website to other people and they really like the new
website, so I think it's a major improvement.
Regards,
Morgan
On 01/07/2016 08:05 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi Serge,
>
> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>
> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>
> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the
>> line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a
>> line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I
>> tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default
>> setting works better on the pages I tested.
>>
>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>
>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>
>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>> color: #f1f1f1;
>> display: inline-block;
>> border-radius: 5px;
>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>> }
>>
>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>>
>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using
>>> CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>>
>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and
>>> send your feedbacks to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks !
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>>>> tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects
>>>> that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>> the following plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on
>>>> OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>> platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>>>> documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>> recipes for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>>>> output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs,
>>>> and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
It's the purpose of the vote. I already have a branch where I'm
preparing the skin.
On 01/07/2016 08:14 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> The current state looks pretty good. I think at this point we could start
> to move it into a branch of the official karaf site.
> WDYT?
>
> Christian
>
>
> 2016-01-07 8:05 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>>
>> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
>> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>>
>> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>
>>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the line
>>> spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a line-height:
>>> 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I tested by deactivating
>>> it (removing it) and it seems the default setting works better on the pages
>>> I tested.
>>>
>>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>>
>>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>>
>>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>>> color: #f1f1f1;
>>> display: inline-block;
>>> border-radius: 5px;
>>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>>> }
>>>
>>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on
>>>> Firefox for instance).
>>>>
>>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send
>>>> your feedbacks to me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks !
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>>> the following plan:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>>> website.
>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>>> platform.
>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>>
>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>>> recipes for users.
>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
The current state looks pretty good. I think at this point we could start
to move it into a branch of the official karaf site.
WDYT?
Christian
2016-01-07 8:05 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
> Hi Serge,
>
> I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
>
> It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
> line-height, but border-radius is fine).
>
> Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
>
>> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the line
>> spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a line-height:
>> 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I tested by deactivating
>> it (removing it) and it seems the default setting works better on the pages
>> I tested.
>>
>> It’s really a detail though :)
>>
>> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>>
>> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
>> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
>> color: #f1f1f1;
>> display: inline-block;
>> border-radius: 5px;
>> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>> }
>>
>> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>>
>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on
>>> Firefox for instance).
>>>
>>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send
>>> your feedbacks to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks !
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>> the following plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>>> platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>>> recipes for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
<https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.liquid-reality.de>
Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com
<https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.talend.com>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Serge,
I applied your two proposals and updated the website on my server.
It looks better to me as well (I don't see a huge change about
line-height, but border-radius is fine).
Morgan also requested to add more space bottom to the top menu.
Regards
JB
On 01/06/2016 09:44 PM, Serge Huber wrote:
> I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default setting works better on the pages I tested.
>
> It’s really a detail though :)
>
> I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
>
> .homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
> background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
> color: #f1f1f1;
> display: inline-block;
> border-radius: 5px;
> -webkit-border-radius: 5px;
> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
> }
>
> I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
>
>> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>>
>> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send your feedbacks to me.
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>> the following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>> website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>>> platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>>> recipes for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>> such look'n feel.
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>> enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
I really like it but some little details have been bugging me, the line spacing of lists. I looked at the CSS and noticed you have a line-height: 20px set that seems very weird on the home page. I tested by deactivating it (removing it) and it seems the default setting works better on the pages I tested.
It’s really a detail though :)
I also tried adding a border-radius on the home page titles :
.homepage-subtitle, .homepage-title {
background: rgba(52,48,45,.8);
color: #f1f1f1;
display: inline-block;
border-radius: 5px;
-webkit-border-radius: 5px;
-moz-border-radius: 5px;
}
I find it a little less rough but again that’s personal preference :)
cheers,
Serge…
> On 6 janv. 2016, at 18:17, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I updated the new website proposal on my server:
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on Firefox for instance).
>
> I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send your feedbacks to me.
>
> Thanks !
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
>> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>> the following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
>> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
>> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
>> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
>> platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
>> recipes for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>> on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>> such look'n feel.
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>> enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi all,
I updated the new website proposal on my server:
http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
Please, don't forget to update your browser cache (using CTRL-SHIFT-R on
Firefox for instance).
I would like to start a vote tomorrow, so please, take a tour and send
your feedbacks to me.
Thanks !
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
> platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
> recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Just a quick update, I'm evaluating different ways to generate the
website with the new look and feel (Maven skin, Velocity templates, etc).
I'm a bit late about the vote, but I will come soon (probably tomorrow).
Stay tuned !
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
> platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
> recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi all,
just a quick update:
- Cellar, Cave and Decanter documentation have switched to asciidoc and
the documentation HTML and PDF have been published to dist.apache.org. I
will update the current website accordingly
- Karaf Container documentation switch is mostly done including
improvements on a content (it's a local branch that I will merge soon)
- regarding the new website proposal, I discussed with Morgan about some
improvements (cleanup on pictures, new pictures on home page, etc). I
did most of them. I will publish the latest version on my server today
in order to start a vote. I hope to do it tonight or tomorrow.
On the other hand, I'm preparing releases (Karaf, Cellar, and Decanter).
I keep you posted.
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
> platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
> recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Morgan Hautman <mo...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
All good ideas from everybody.
Big +1 for me, on all aspects :)
Regards,
Morgan
On 11/12/2015 11:11 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Or even recipes in the dev guide ;)
>
> That would be great
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/12/2015 11:07 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
>> That might be interesting. Perhaps you can provide some examples what
>> could be useful in karaf in form of blog posts or similar.
>>
>> The problem though is that the spring people do not really support OSGi.
>> So while we might get it working it could break with any new version.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On 12.11.2015 11:04, Serge Huber wrote:
>>> Actually I wasn’t talking about the Spring Framework, for which I see
>>> no use inside of Karaf, quite the opposite :)
>>>
>>> I was merely talking about all the other libraries that they offer
>>> here : http://spring.io/projects
>>>
>>> At my company we get the request almost daily on how to integrate
>>> these (or others) with OSGi bundles. People are ready to try, but they
>>> get easily scared when they can’t get it to work. And usually it’s not
>>> that difficult but it’s beyond their current experience level.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Or even recipes in the dev guide ;)
That would be great
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 11:07 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> That might be interesting. Perhaps you can provide some examples what
> could be useful in karaf in form of blog posts or similar.
>
> The problem though is that the spring people do not really support OSGi.
> So while we might get it working it could break with any new version.
>
> Christian
>
> On 12.11.2015 11:04, Serge Huber wrote:
>> Actually I wasn’t talking about the Spring Framework, for which I see
>> no use inside of Karaf, quite the opposite :)
>>
>> I was merely talking about all the other libraries that they offer
>> here : http://spring.io/projects
>>
>> At my company we get the request almost daily on how to integrate
>> these (or others) with OSGi bundles. People are ready to try, but they
>> get easily scared when they can’t get it to work. And usually it’s not
>> that difficult but it’s beyond their current experience level.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Actually I have been working on an improved Felix Maven plugin that tries to do a lot more scanning to improve the generation of Import-Packages, but for the moment it’s embedded in the same plugin as our corporate Maven plugin. I would need to look at extracting it to make it more generic and therefore re-usable.
Oh I found the project I was thinking about : http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/rt.ebr/
with the templates here : https://github.com/glyn/bundlerepo/tree/master/templates
Unfortunately it is not very active since Spring dropped it.
cheers,
Serge…
> On 12 nov. 2015, at 11:07, Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net> wrote:
>
> That might be interesting. Perhaps you can provide some examples what could be useful in karaf in form of blog posts or similar.
>
> The problem though is that the spring people do not really support OSGi. So while we might get it working it could break with any new version.
>
> Christian
>
> On 12.11.2015 11:04, Serge Huber wrote:
>> Actually I wasn’t talking about the Spring Framework, for which I see no use inside of Karaf, quite the opposite :)
>>
>> I was merely talking about all the other libraries that they offer here : http://spring.io/projects
>>
>> At my company we get the request almost daily on how to integrate these (or others) with OSGi bundles. People are ready to try, but they get easily scared when they can’t get it to work. And usually it’s not that difficult but it’s beyond their current experience level.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>
> --
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>
> Open Source Architect
> http://www.talend.com
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
That might be interesting. Perhaps you can provide some examples what
could be useful in karaf in form of blog posts or similar.
The problem though is that the spring people do not really support OSGi.
So while we might get it working it could break with any new version.
Christian
On 12.11.2015 11:04, Serge Huber wrote:
> Actually I wasn’t talking about the Spring Framework, for which I see no use inside of Karaf, quite the opposite :)
>
> I was merely talking about all the other libraries that they offer here : http://spring.io/projects
>
> At my company we get the request almost daily on how to integrate these (or others) with OSGi bundles. People are ready to try, but they get easily scared when they can’t get it to work. And usually it’s not that difficult but it’s beyond their current experience level.
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Actually I wasn’t talking about the Spring Framework, for which I see no use inside of Karaf, quite the opposite :)
I was merely talking about all the other libraries that they offer here : http://spring.io/projects
At my company we get the request almost daily on how to integrate these (or others) with OSGi bundles. People are ready to try, but they get easily scared when they can’t get it to work. And usually it’s not that difficult but it’s beyond their current experience level.
cheers,
Serge…
> On 12 nov. 2015, at 11:00, Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net> wrote:
>
> I also think that using spring is not such a good idea in OSGi. You are right that it offers a lot of stuff that people want to reuse but I think the problems would outweigh the benefits.
>
> So I think the better way is to show how to do enterprise development in a clean OSGi ready way and show the migration path.
>
> I have started this with a tutorial about using CDI/JEE annotations for blueprint:
> http://www.liquid-reality.de/x/C4DK
>
> It leverages the fact that most people use spring with annotations today. So the actual spring part can be quite small if you do it well. So if you use the CDI and JEE annoations in spring it is quite easy to migrate to blueprint.
> The example uses the aries blueprint-maven-plugin. It allows to just continue using the standard annotations that also work in spring.
>
> I did a migration from spring to OSGi and blueprint for a customer some months ago and the plugin made this so much easier. So I could create another tutorial that shows how to actually migrate from spring to blueprint in some steps. It is still not a trivial task but I think the result can be a better application than using spring dm in OSGi.
>
> Christian
>
> On 12.11.2015 10:42, Serge Huber wrote:
>> I agree with you Achim but I was mostly proposing that because basically lots of developers want to use Spring librairies to avoid writing code themselves. So unless we can provide a replacement for all they are building I think we should have some kind of way of helping them get bootstrapped.
>>
>> Maybe this could be a seperate project outside of Karaf ?
>>
>> In the meantime I keep trying to convince the Pivotal guys every chance I get to see the light and come back to OSGi and embrace Karaf :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 10:40, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Serge,
>>>
>>> one note about the spring idea ...
>>> right now spring isn't a nice osgi citizen anymore.
>>> So I fear Karaf will get blamed for Spring issues around Spring running
>>> inside OSGi.
>>> That's why I would keep away from that.
>>>
>>> regards, Achim
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-11-12 10:32 GMT+01:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing
>>>> it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value
>>>> better, everybody wins.
>>>>
>>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>>>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of
>>>> technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize
>>>> their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not
>>>> making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use
>>>> Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of
>>>> course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>>>>
>>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>>> the following plan:
>>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>>> website.
>>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>>>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
>>>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>>>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>>> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but
>>>> that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s
>>>> the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from
>>>> scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
>>>>
>>>> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can
>>>> capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven
>>>> and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition
>>>> of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards
>>>> Spring-boot :)
>>>>
>>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
>>>> for users.
>>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>>> such look'n feel.
>>>>
>>>> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it
>>>> can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>>> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk
>>>> to people here.
>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is
>>>> definitely a great step forward !
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Serge…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Apache Member
>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
>>> Project Lead
>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>>> Co-Author of Apache Karaf Cookbook <http://bit.ly/1ps9rkS>
>>>
>>> Software Architect / Project Manager / Scrum Master
>
>
> --
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>
> Open Source Architect
> http://www.talend.com
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
I also think that using spring is not such a good idea in OSGi. You are
right that it offers a lot of stuff that people want to reuse but I
think the problems would outweigh the benefits.
So I think the better way is to show how to do enterprise development in
a clean OSGi ready way and show the migration path.
I have started this with a tutorial about using CDI/JEE annotations for
blueprint:
http://www.liquid-reality.de/x/C4DK
It leverages the fact that most people use spring with annotations
today. So the actual spring part can be quite small if you do it well.
So if you use the CDI and JEE annoations in spring it is quite easy to
migrate to blueprint.
The example uses the aries blueprint-maven-plugin. It allows to just
continue using the standard annotations that also work in spring.
I did a migration from spring to OSGi and blueprint for a customer some
months ago and the plugin made this so much easier. So I could create
another tutorial that shows how to actually migrate from spring to
blueprint in some steps. It is still not a trivial task but I think the
result can be a better application than using spring dm in OSGi.
Christian
On 12.11.2015 10:42, Serge Huber wrote:
> I agree with you Achim but I was mostly proposing that because basically lots of developers want to use Spring librairies to avoid writing code themselves. So unless we can provide a replacement for all they are building I think we should have some kind of way of helping them get bootstrapped.
>
> Maybe this could be a seperate project outside of Karaf ?
>
> In the meantime I keep trying to convince the Pivotal guys every chance I get to see the light and come back to OSGi and embrace Karaf :)
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 10:40, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> one note about the spring idea ...
>> right now spring isn't a nice osgi citizen anymore.
>> So I fear Karaf will get blamed for Spring issues around Spring running
>> inside OSGi.
>> That's why I would keep away from that.
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>>
>> 2015-11-12 10:32 GMT+01:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>>
>>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>>
>>> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing
>>> it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value
>>> better, everybody wins.
>>>
>>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>>
>>> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of
>>> technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize
>>> their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not
>>> making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use
>>> Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of
>>> course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>>>
>>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>>> the following plan:
>>>> 1. More professional website
>>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>>> website.
>>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
>>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but
>>> that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s
>>> the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from
>>> scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
>>>
>>> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can
>>> capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven
>>> and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition
>>> of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards
>>> Spring-boot :)
>>>
>>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
>>> for users.
>>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>>
>>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>>> such look'n feel.
>>>
>>> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it
>>> can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>>>
>>>> 3. Meetups
>>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>>> enthusiasts.
>>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk
>>> to people here.
>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is
>>> definitely a great step forward !
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Serge…
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Apache Member
>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
>> Project Lead
>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>> Co-Author of Apache Karaf Cookbook <http://bit.ly/1ps9rkS>
>>
>> Software Architect / Project Manager / Scrum Master
--
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http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
I agree with you Achim but I was mostly proposing that because basically lots of developers want to use Spring librairies to avoid writing code themselves. So unless we can provide a replacement for all they are building I think we should have some kind of way of helping them get bootstrapped.
Maybe this could be a seperate project outside of Karaf ?
In the meantime I keep trying to convince the Pivotal guys every chance I get to see the light and come back to OSGi and embrace Karaf :)
cheers,
Serge…
> On 12 nov. 2015, at 10:40, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Serge,
>
> one note about the spring idea ...
> right now spring isn't a nice osgi citizen anymore.
> So I fear Karaf will get blamed for Spring issues around Spring running
> inside OSGi.
> That's why I would keep away from that.
>
> regards, Achim
>
>
> 2015-11-12 10:32 GMT+01:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
>> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing
>> it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value
>> better, everybody wins.
>>
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
>> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
>> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
>> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of
>> technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize
>> their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not
>> making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use
>> Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of
>> course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>>
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>> the following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
>> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
>> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
>> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
>> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but
>> that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s
>> the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from
>> scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
>>
>> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can
>> capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven
>> and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition
>> of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards
>> Spring-boot :)
>>
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
>> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
>> for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
>> on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>> such look'n feel.
>>
>> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it
>> can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>>
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
>> enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk
>> to people here.
>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is
>> definitely a great step forward !
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Apache Member
> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
> Project Lead
> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
> Co-Author of Apache Karaf Cookbook <http://bit.ly/1ps9rkS>
>
> Software Architect / Project Manager / Scrum Master
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Serge,
one note about the spring idea ...
right now spring isn't a nice osgi citizen anymore.
So I fear Karaf will get blamed for Spring issues around Spring running
inside OSGi.
That's why I would keep away from that.
regards, Achim
2015-11-12 10:32 GMT+01:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
> Hello,
>
> > On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
> >
> > I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing
> it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value
> better, everybody wins.
>
> >
> > Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of
> technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize
> their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not
> making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use
> Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of
> course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>
> >
> > In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
> >
> > 1. More professional website
> > I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> > In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
> > So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
> >
> > http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but
> that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s
> the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from
> scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
>
> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can
> capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven
> and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition
> of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards
> Spring-boot :)
>
> >
> > I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
> >
> > 2. New guides/documentation
> > I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
> for users.
> > All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
> >
> > http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
> >
> > All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it
> can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>
> >
> > 3. Meetups
> > I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> > I will give you more details soon.
>
> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk
> to people here.
>
> >
> > Thoughts ?
>
> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is
> definitely a great step forward !
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
--
Apache Member
Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
Project Lead
blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
Co-Author of Apache Karaf Cookbook <http://bit.ly/1ps9rkS>
Software Architect / Project Manager / Scrum Master
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
I’m sorry I didn’t express my ideas clearly about Spring, what I meant to say was provide some quick getting started resources so that if someone wants to use Spring-Data, Spring Social, Spring-XD and so forth they don’t have to do all the integrating themselves.
So maybe it could be really cool to start some kind of archetype repository that the community could easily contribute to so that you could then simple create a project with the appropriate Spring artifacts already embedded. And of course this could be done for anything. This would probably greatly ease OSGi’s main pain point of getting the Import-Package statement right.
I believe I even so a project related to this at Eclipse, but I can’t remember it right now.
cheers,
Serge…
> On 12 nov. 2015, at 10:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Serge,
>
> thanks for the update !
>
> Honestly, I'm not sure at all about Spring, as they don't support OSGI anymore, so not easy.
>
> For Jigsaw, good idea ;)
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/12/2015 10:32 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>>
>>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>>
>> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value better, everybody wins.
>>
>>>
>>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>>
>> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>>
>>>
>>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the following plan:
>>>
>>> 1. More professional website
>>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the website.
>>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>>
>>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>>
>> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
>>
>> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards Spring-boot :)
>>
>>>
>>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>>
>>> 2. New guides/documentation
>>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes for users.
>>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output on the Decanter guide:
>>>
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>>
>>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such look'n feel.
>>
>> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>>
>>>
>>> 3. Meetups
>>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
>>> I will give you more details soon.
>>
>> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk to people here.
>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is definitely a great step forward !
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge…
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Serge,
thanks for the update !
Honestly, I'm not sure at all about Spring, as they don't support OSGI
anymore, so not easy.
For Jigsaw, good idea ;)
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 10:32 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>>
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value better, everybody wins.
>
>>
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>
>>
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the following plan:
>>
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>
>> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
>
> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards Spring-boot :)
>
>>
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>>
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output on the Decanter guide:
>>
>> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>>
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such look'n feel.
>
> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>
>>
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk to people here.
>
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>
> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is definitely a great step forward !
>
> cheers,
> Serge…
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Hello,
> On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value better, everybody wins.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards Spring-boot :)
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such look'n feel.
Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk to people here.
>
> Thoughts ?
Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is definitely a great step forward !
cheers,
Serge…
Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi guys,
just a quick update on this.
About the website, I'm fixing some broken links and reviewing all content.
On local branches, I migrated the documentation to asciidoc. I'm now
working on the revamping of the dev guide.
I should have time tomorrow to move forward on this.
I keep you posted.
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 07:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>
> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>
> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and
> know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
>
> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
>
> 1. More professional website
> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end
> users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain
> that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with
> karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm
> platform.
> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>
> http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>
> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>
> 2. New guides/documentation
> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing
> recipes for users.
> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>
> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
>
> 3. Meetups
> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> I will give you more details soon.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
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Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
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