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Posted to diversity@apache.org by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> on 2019/05/06 12:54:06 UTC
Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list... I've known Ruth for quite awhile and I'd think she'd be a great asset to the list. Not proposing membership yet, but I think having her onlist would be great.
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Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
Posted by Gris Cuevas <gr...@apache.org>.
Just closing the loop here, was Ruth able to join?
On 2019/05/06 12:54:06, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
> I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list... I've known Ruth for quite awhile and I'd think she'd be a great asset to the list. Not proposing membership yet, but I think having her onlist would be great.
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Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:22 AM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
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> Ahh... I went to lists.apache.org, then clicked apache.org and then other lists and diversity@ did not show up.
UI problem. That page shows four lists that have been active
recently, and then a drop down for other lists. At the moment, this
list is active, let's keep it that way!
> Going directly to the list URL does however. Weird.
- Sam Ruby
> > On May 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:13 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >> It doesn't show up on lists.apache.org unless one signs in...
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?diversity@apache.org works for me
> > without being signed in.
> >
> > -Bertrand
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Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
Ahh... I went to lists.apache.org, then clicked apache.org and then other lists and diversity@ did not show up.
Going directly to the list URL does however. Weird.
> On May 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
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> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:13 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> It doesn't show up on lists.apache.org unless one signs in...
>
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?diversity@apache.org works for me
> without being signed in.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:13 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> It doesn't show up on lists.apache.org unless one signs in...
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?diversity@apache.org works for me
without being signed in.
-Bertrand
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Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
> On May 6, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
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> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 2:54 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> ...I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list...
>
> Isn't this a public list? I think it is, so anyone is welcome to
> subscribe, right?
>
It doesn't show up on lists.apache.org unless one signs in... So I'm not sure :-)
> But I agree that it's good to introduce new people when appropriate.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 2:54 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> ...I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list...
Isn't this a public list? I think it is, so anyone is welcome to
subscribe, right?
But I agree that it's good to introduce new people when appropriate.
-Bertrand
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Re: ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors)
Posted by Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com.INVALID>.
+1
Watched her talk, absolutely love it.
Aizhamal
*From: *Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com.invalid>
*Date: *Fri, May 10, 2019 at 16:19
*To: *diversity@apache.org
+1
>
> Having external people help us understand is part of the proposed actions
> put forward here. I too have heard Ruth speak, but as Jim says he's already
> embarrassed her enough ;-)
>
> Ross
>
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> From: Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
> To: diversity@apache.org
> Subject: ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external
> contributors)
>
> Hello all! I've been told by a little birdie that Ruth has in fact joined,
> and has been lurking here for awhile to get the lay of the land.
>
> One thing that I think could be very useful, in addition to contacting the
> Mozilla's and others about their D&I efforts is actually reaching out to
> active members of marginalized populations and encouraging them to speak,
> even if it means using TAC funds to have them attend and speak. With that
> in mind, I would really like encourage Ruth to de-lurk, because I have had
> the immense pleasure of attending several of her talks, and each and
> everyone have focused on the core tenets of D&I (empathy and compassion) in
> a totally true, honest, personal way, which I think is much better than
> "dry" talks about D&I initiatives and "how we setup a D&I charter"... etc.
>
> Make it *real*. Pull in people who have truly lived D&I and have paved the
> way for others. I would love for Ruth to speak up and I'm sure she will be
> warmly welcomed.
>
> I have now, most likely, embarrassed Ruth to no end, but I also fear that
> I have not done her justice.
>
> > On May 6, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list... I've known Ruth for
> quite awhile and I'd think she'd be a great asset to the list. Not
> proposing membership yet, but I think having her onlist would be great.
> >
> >
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhiruthie.me&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7Cc675fbc0bf8c4a4648c308d6d59d4a11%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=Vw0D%2B62HLfNsZVM2xRWf%2FfLQre%2F31Dj%2BrXkW2uE3fOw%3D&reserved=0
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Re: ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external
contributors)
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com.INVALID>.
+1
Having external people help us understand is part of the proposed actions put forward here. I too have heard Ruth speak, but as Jim says he's already embarrassed her enough ;-)
Ross
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From: Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
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Subject: ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors)
Hello all! I've been told by a little birdie that Ruth has in fact joined, and has been lurking here for awhile to get the lay of the land.
One thing that I think could be very useful, in addition to contacting the Mozilla's and others about their D&I efforts is actually reaching out to active members of marginalized populations and encouraging them to speak, even if it means using TAC funds to have them attend and speak. With that in mind, I would really like encourage Ruth to de-lurk, because I have had the immense pleasure of attending several of her talks, and each and everyone have focused on the core tenets of D&I (empathy and compassion) in a totally true, honest, personal way, which I think is much better than "dry" talks about D&I initiatives and "how we setup a D&I charter"... etc.
Make it *real*. Pull in people who have truly lived D&I and have paved the way for others. I would love for Ruth to speak up and I'm sure she will be warmly welcomed.
I have now, most likely, embarrassed Ruth to no end, but I also fear that I have not done her justice.
> On May 6, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list... I've known Ruth for quite awhile and I'd think she'd be a great asset to the list. Not proposing membership yet, but I think having her onlist would be great.
>
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhiruthie.me&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7Cc675fbc0bf8c4a4648c308d6d59d4a11%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=Vw0D%2B62HLfNsZVM2xRWf%2FfLQre%2F31Dj%2BrXkW2uE3fOw%3D&reserved=0
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Re: ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors)
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Fri, May 10, 2019, 20:35 Ruth Holloway <ru...@hiruthie.me> wrote:
> If it is the will of
> the group, I'd be happy to submit the talk for ApacheCon NA this year,
> for any speaking slot the organizers will grant me.
>
Please do. The cfp closes when I get to my desk Monday morning so please
don't wait. :)
https://apachecon.com
Re: ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external
contributors)
Posted by Ruth Holloway <ru...@hiruthie.me>.
Howdy!
On 5/10/2019 6:14 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> One thing that I think could be very useful, in addition to contacting the Mozilla's and others about their D&I efforts is actually reaching out to active members of marginalized populations and encouraging them to speak, even if it means using TAC funds to have them attend and speak. With that in mind, I would really like encourage Ruth to de-lurk, because I have had the immense pleasure of attending several of her talks, and each and everyone have focused on the core tenets of D&I (empathy and compassion) in a totally true, honest, personal way, which I think is much better than "dry" talks about D&I initiatives and "how we setup a D&I charter"... etc.
Bingo. I'm not really all that interested in the process to develop a
D&I charter or Code of Conduct, frankly. Speaking as a pink-haired,
older, overweight, pansexual, differently-abled, butch transgender woman
who writes Perl for a living and therefore faces multiple axes of
marginalization, what is critically important to _me_ is the impact that
those things, and the empathy and compassion from which they
most-effectively arise, have on the people who work in our technology
communities.
So I tell stories--mine, and people I've known, every chance I get.
Every time I give a talk on this, I get told that it challenged
someone's thinking, and that it empowered someone to speak up and *do
something* about the widespread problems of abuse and marginalization
that our communities face. It's also quite often that someone wants to
talk privately afterward, and tell me their own story, and in those
moments, I feel so privileged to get to be there for that person.
I've taken some attacks for standing up and "talking about feelings,"
too, a fact that will probably not surprise many on this list. But I
keep doing it; I've been privileged to keynote four times in the last
three years, both in North America and in Europe. If it is the will of
the group, I'd be happy to submit the talk for ApacheCon NA this year,
for any speaking slot the organizers will grant me.
> I have now, most likely, embarrassed Ruth to no end, but I also fear that I have not done her justice.
I'm kind of hard to embarrass, Jim. I'm honored and humbled that you
have thought to include me in this effort, my friend. I appreciate all
your kind words, and those of Ross and Aizhamal, as well. As for "doing
[me] justice," I will let others be the judge of that.
D Ruth Holloway
https://HiRuthie.me
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ApacheCon (Was: Re: Mailing list : public - private and external
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Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
Hello all! I've been told by a little birdie that Ruth has in fact joined, and has been lurking here for awhile to get the lay of the land.
One thing that I think could be very useful, in addition to contacting the Mozilla's and others about their D&I efforts is actually reaching out to active members of marginalized populations and encouraging them to speak, even if it means using TAC funds to have them attend and speak. With that in mind, I would really like encourage Ruth to de-lurk, because I have had the immense pleasure of attending several of her talks, and each and everyone have focused on the core tenets of D&I (empathy and compassion) in a totally true, honest, personal way, which I think is much better than "dry" talks about D&I initiatives and "how we setup a D&I charter"... etc.
Make it *real*. Pull in people who have truly lived D&I and have paved the way for others. I would love for Ruth to speak up and I'm sure she will be warmly welcomed.
I have now, most likely, embarrassed Ruth to no end, but I also fear that I have not done her justice.
> On May 6, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list... I've known Ruth for quite awhile and I'd think she'd be a great asset to the list. Not proposing membership yet, but I think having her onlist would be great.
>
> https://hiruthie.me
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