Cocoon 2.1.8 AJAX is important

[Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>]

Hi:

AFAIK, Cocoon 2.1.8 will not have AJAX support for cforms. Is that correct?

I think the AJAX support present in 2.1.8 make sense: Being the first or 
one of the first webapp frameworks delivering AJAX support is a great 
plus for us.

IMHO, we can delay 1 or 2 weeks more the release just for this feature 
long awaited feature.

WDYT?

Best Regards,

Antonio

Re: Cocoon 2.1.8 AJAX is important

[Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>]

Upayavira wrote:
> Just a thought - HTMLArea is now under development again, as Xinha
> (http://xinha.python-hosting.com/). We could see if they could adapt it
> so that it would play nicely with the prototype library. Is that reasonable?
>   

What would reasonable would be to update htmlarea to xinha, but not 
asking them to fix their well-written stuff because some other JS 
library tweaks the standard classes.

Using Scriptaculous for a particular project is fine, but shipping it 
with Cocoon if IMO definitely not something to do, as we cannot make any 
assumption on what 3rd party JS libraries users will want to use in 
their projects.

And interestingly, it looks like Tacos [1] (an Ajax extension to 
Tapestry) went the same route, as they started with Scriptaculous and 
recently announced their switch to Dojo.

Sylvain

[1] http://tacos.sourceforge.net/

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Re: Cocoon 2.1.8 AJAX is important

[Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>]

Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>>
>> AFAIK, Cocoon 2.1.8 will not have AJAX support for cforms. Is that
>> correct?
> 
> 
> Oh no, it's not correct! AJAX in CForms is there! Have a look at all the
> "(Ajax)" markers at
> http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/demos/21branch/samples/blocks/forms/
> 
> I guess your fears are related to my "Ajax libraries: let's wait a bit"
> post [1] which was more about the new stuff we had put in the Ajax
> block, which was based on the Scriptaculous libary.
> 
> Scriptaculous provides some really great features, but the way it is
> written breaks some other libraries (e.g. htmlarea), and that's why I
> decided to remove it from 2.1.8, so that people don't rush on these
> features. I'm closely following what's happening on the Dojo toolkit
> [2], and I like it much more, both from a technical and social POV.
> 
>> I think the AJAX support present in 2.1.8 make sense: Being the first
>> or one of the first webapp frameworks delivering AJAX support is a
>> great plus for us.
> 
> 
> So don't worry: Ajax is in CForms now.

Just a thought - HTMLArea is now under development again, as Xinha
(http://xinha.python-hosting.com/). We could see if they could adapt it
so that it would play nicely with the prototype library. Is that reasonable?

Regards, Upayavira

Re: Cocoon 2.1.8 AJAX is important

[Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>]

Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Hi:
>
> AFAIK, Cocoon 2.1.8 will not have AJAX support for cforms. Is that 
> correct?

Oh no, it's not correct! AJAX in CForms is there! Have a look at all the 
"(Ajax)" markers at 
http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/demos/21branch/samples/blocks/forms/

I guess your fears are related to my "Ajax libraries: let's wait a bit" 
post [1] which was more about the new stuff we had put in the Ajax 
block, which was based on the Scriptaculous libary.

Scriptaculous provides some really great features, but the way it is 
written breaks some other libraries (e.g. htmlarea), and that's why I 
decided to remove it from 2.1.8, so that people don't rush on these 
features. I'm closely following what's happening on the Dojo toolkit 
[2], and I like it much more, both from a technical and social POV.

> I think the AJAX support present in 2.1.8 make sense: Being the first 
> or one of the first webapp frameworks delivering AJAX support is a 
> great plus for us.

So don't worry: Ajax is in CForms now.

Sylvain

[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=112938003219370&w=2
[2] http://www.dojotoolkit.org/

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