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Posted to fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org by "A.M." <ag...@themactionfaction.com> on 2004/05/27 16:27:29 UTC

column balancing

Excuse me for being annoying with the column balancing issue (from 
fop-user), but it's something that we crucially need. I would like to 
offer my time to implement this- however it's not clear to me which 
block attributes are relevant to this. Could someone point me to the 
page of the spec covering this? (Column balancing is unfortunately the 
only thing keeping us from FOP.) Thanks.

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Re: column balancing

Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On May 28, 2004, at 6:18 AM, Chris Bowditch wrote:
> A.M. wrote:
>> Replying off-list:
>
> huh?

Yeah... that threw me for a loop as well, especially since the reply 
came on list (as I think it should, being on-topic and all)...

>> I'm not sure I really have a choice concerning the fop version. 
>> Considering I needed column balancing "yesterday", I'll take the 
>> route that gives me balanced columns ASAP. I haven't looked at the 
>> PDF rendering code yet, so (neglecting your desire for the dev 
>> version to move forward) would you argue that it would be easiest to 
>> add column balancing to the maintenance version or to the dev 
>> version? If I can add it quickly to the maintenance version, I would 
>> be happy to add the same functionality to the dev version later. 
>> Thanks.
>
> Thats understandable. Yes, it will be less hassle for you to add 
> column balancing into the maintenance code. Just dont expect your 
> changes to make it into the code base. If you are able to give us some 
> help with the development version later that will be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> Chris

Sounds good to me too. As far as PATCHing the maintenance code, I would 
still encourage any submitting PATCH made for the Maintenance branch. 
Developers can always look through bugzilla to see if there's something 
they want or need (like TIF output... or column balancing ;-)). As long 
as they have a good Subject/Title and Description...

Web Maestro Clay


Re: column balancing

Posted by Chris Bowditch <bo...@hotmail.com>.
A.M. wrote:

> Replying off-list:

huh?

> I'm not sure I really have a choice concerning the fop version. 
> Considering I needed column balancing "yesterday", I'll take the route 
> that gives me balanced columns ASAP. I haven't looked at the PDF 
> rendering code yet, so (neglecting your desire for the dev version to 
> move forward) would you argue that it would be easiest to add column 
> balancing to the maintenance version or to the dev version? If I can add 
> it quickly to the maintenance version, I would be happy to add the same 
> functionality to the dev version later. Thanks.

Thats understandable. Yes, it will be less hassle for you to add column 
balancing into the maintenance code. Just dont expect your changes to make it 
into the code base. If you are able to give us some help with the development 
version later that will be greatly appreciated.

Chris



Re: column balancing

Posted by "A.M." <ag...@themactionfaction.com>.
>
> What Arnd says make sense. I would like to add that any development 
> help you can give will be gratefully received. However, you need to be 
> aware that the maintenance branch 0.20.5 has been frozen, so any 
> patches you submit to 0.20.5 code are unlikely to make it into the 
> code base. I'm not sure that multi column layouts work at all in the 
> development version, but you are more than welcome to help. If you 
> have any questions at all, please dont hesitate to ask.
>
> Chris
Replying off-list:
I'm not sure I really have a choice concerning the fop version. 
Considering I needed column balancing "yesterday", I'll take the route 
that gives me balanced columns ASAP. I haven't looked at the PDF 
rendering code yet, so (neglecting your desire for the dev version to 
move forward) would you argue that it would be easiest to add column 
balancing to the maintenance version or to the dev version? If I can 
add it quickly to the maintenance version, I would be happy to add the 
same functionality to the dev version later. Thanks.

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agentm@themactionfaction.com
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Re: column balancing

Posted by Chris Bowditch <bo...@hotmail.com>.
arnd.beissner@cappelino.de wrote:

> "A.M." <ag...@themactionfaction.com> wrote 27.05.2004 16:27:29:
> 
> 
>>Excuse me for being annoying with the column balancing issue (from 
>>fop-user), but it's something that we crucially need. I would like to 
>>offer my time to implement this- however it's not clear to me which 
>>block attributes are relevant to this. Could someone point me to the 
>>page of the spec covering this? (Column balancing is unfortunately the 
>>only thing keeping us from FOP.) Thanks.
> 
> 
> As far as I can see, column balancing is not really defined as a mechanism
> in the XSL recommendation. My interpretation so far is that to do column
> balancing if a spanned block follows on the same page and not to do it
> if no spanned blocks follows, is one of several allowed user agent
> behaviours - and the one that makes the most sense as a default.
> 
> If your or someone else finds something in the XSL recommendation
> that more precisely defines what should happen, I would be grateful
> for a pointer as well.

What Arnd says make sense. I would like to add that any development help you 
can give will be gratefully received. However, you need to be aware that the 
maintenance branch 0.20.5 has been frozen, so any patches you submit to 0.20.5 
code are unlikely to make it into the code base. I'm not sure that multi 
column layouts work at all in the development version, but you are more than 
welcome to help. If you have any questions at all, please dont hesitate to ask.

Chris



Re: column balancing

Posted by ar...@cappelino.de.
"A.M." <ag...@themactionfaction.com> wrote 27.05.2004 16:27:29:

> Excuse me for being annoying with the column balancing issue (from 
> fop-user), but it's something that we crucially need. I would like to 
> offer my time to implement this- however it's not clear to me which 
> block attributes are relevant to this. Could someone point me to the 
> page of the spec covering this? (Column balancing is unfortunately the 
> only thing keeping us from FOP.) Thanks.

As far as I can see, column balancing is not really defined as a mechanism
in the XSL recommendation. My interpretation so far is that to do column
balancing if a spanned block follows on the same page and not to do it
if no spanned blocks follows, is one of several allowed user agent
behaviours - and the one that makes the most sense as a default.

If your or someone else finds something in the XSL recommendation
that more precisely defines what should happen, I would be grateful
for a pointer as well.

My 2 cents,

Arnd
-- 
Arnd Beißner
Cappelino Informationstechnologie GmbH