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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com> on 2014/11/20 11:49:52 UTC

[DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

The closest thing to a mascot that we have is

http://maven.apache.org/images/maven-logo-2.gif
"Arse on desk behind laptop while waiting for Maven to finish downloading
the interwebs"

I would like to call a vote in a couple of days to adopt M. Couché-Tard (my
own creation) as our mascot

http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-5-large.png
"M. Couché-Tard"

In addition I am suggesting that we change the logo font to Alte Haas
Grotesk Bold with italic applied by Inkscape

I am also suggesting that we change the emphasis colour letter to the v...
as in version... and we all know that Maven helps manage versions of
things... versions are very important to Maven.

The emphasis colour would be #cc0000 to match the scarf worn by "M.
Couché-Tard"

My proposal would be to make these changes as a single vote, i.e. not three
separate votes, the vote would be for all these changes in one go... in
order to avoid design by committee.

Having said that, community is more important than a new logo or even
having a mascot, so hence this discuss thread before actually calling a
vote.

This is something that not just the developers of Maven should have a say
in... if we have a mascot and a refreshed logo we can use these as aid to
help drive a site refresh that makes Maven easier to understand for
newcomers and helps existing users find what they are looking for easier
and faster.

For anyone not following the dev list, here is my reasons for picking "M.
Couché-Tard" as a mascot...

The definition of a maven is "an expert or connoisseur"... in the context
of Apache Maven, the idea is that Maven knows the conventions for different
types of software projects and is an expert in applying those conventions.
M. Couché-Tard is a wise fellow, sleeping-in while he waits for the
interwebs to finish downloading... he may look cute but if crossed or used
incorrectly he will bite a chunk off your hand... but do right by him and
he will do right by you.

So WDYT? should I just call the vote already or do people want to think it
over a bit more!

Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Mark Derricutt <ma...@talios.com>.

+100 - Bring on the tard.

On 20 Nov 2014, at 23:49, Stephen Connolly wrote:

> The closest thing to a mascot that we have is
>
> http://maven.apache.org/images/maven-logo-2.gif
> "Arse on desk behind laptop while waiting for Maven to finish downloading
> the interwebs"


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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Mark Derricutt <ma...@talios.com>.

+100 - Bring on the tard.

On 20 Nov 2014, at 23:49, Stephen Connolly wrote:

> The closest thing to a mascot that we have is
>
> http://maven.apache.org/images/maven-logo-2.gif
> "Arse on desk behind laptop while waiting for Maven to finish downloading
> the interwebs"


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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.

On Monday, November 24, 2014, Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

> Why does the owl need chest hair? (or whatever the oval patch is supposed
> to represent).


An owl does not *need* the patch of lighter coloured feathers that most
owls seem to have on their belly...

However, if you want an owl to look owlish, you kind of need to follow the
conventions...

Configuring an owl differently is certainly possible, but it's not really
the maven way!


>
> Ralph
>
> > On Nov 23, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr
> <javascript:;> <mailto:herve.boutemy@free.fr <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> >
> >> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> >>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
> >>> assistance available. I suspect that there is.
> >> +1
> >>
> >
> > If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get
> > somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven
> > doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it
> > to! ;-)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
> >>> <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
> >> +1
> >>
> >>>> Users
> >>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
> >>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg
> >> with
> >>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo
> >> and
> >>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't
> hurt
> >>>> and
> >>>> I believe it will help me.
> >> +1, even if it puts a higher bar
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
> >>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of
> >> the
> >>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot
> >> (or
> >>>> something else to mix up the content visually)
> >>>>
> >>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions
> from
> >>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one
> >>>>
> >>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer...
> >> Though to
> >>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
> >>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in
> >> truth I
> >>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with
> >> a
> >>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
> >> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one
> >> direction...
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the
> >> community
> >>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out
> >> the
> >>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
> >> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good
> choice
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, I think I now favour D
> >> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is
> >> good,
> >> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
> >> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression:
> don't
> >> know
> >> if blue or grey would be better
> >>
> >
> > How does green suit?
> >
> >
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png
> <
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people
> >> (which
> >> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without
> showing
> >> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun
> because
> >> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you
> will
> >> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....
> >>
> >
> > As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the
> > mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it
> > "shotgun" ;-)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do
> to
> >> continue to improve user experience
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Hervé
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly <
> >>>>
> >>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like
> >> removing
> >>>>
> >>>>> the outlines:
> >>>>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2
> >>>> .png>
> >>>>> D is now a tie for me with B
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
> >>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>');>>
> >>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
> >>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked
> >> Durk
> >>>>
> >>>> nor
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do not call for it ;-)
> >>>>>>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though
> >> :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> )
> >>>>
> >>>>>> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
> >>>>>> you're going to get a similar look.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
> >>>>>> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of
> >>>>>> solid
> >>>>>> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much
> >> better
> >>>>
> >>>> than
> >>>>
> >>>>>> gradients etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's
> >> skinny
> >>>>>> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't
> >>>>
> >>>> see a
> >>>>
> >>>>>> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as
> >> it
> >>>>>> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a
> >>>>>> long
> >>>>>> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
> >>>>>> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
> >>>>>> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> Mirko
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Paul
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <
> >>>>
> >>>> michaelo@apache.org <javascript:;>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> michaelo@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion on this:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word
> >>>>
> >>>> maven.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greek
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hebrew/Jewish
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see
> >> an
> >>>>
> >>>> old
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wise
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> man.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no
> >> obvious
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> gender
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> apart
> >>>>>>>>>>> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wise
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> old
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or
> >> belittling
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wise
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> women
> >>>>>>>>>>> (irrespective of age)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> differences
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> probably a better fit
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about
> >> genders
> >>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> nor am
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not
> >>>>>>>>>> rooted
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greek
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> one.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
> >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store
> >>>>
> >>>> from
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Canada.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
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> <javascript:;>
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> <javascript:;>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Mark Derricutt <ma...@talios.com>.

On 24 Nov 2014, at 16:20, Ralph Goers wrote:

> Why does the owl need chest hair? (or whatever the oval patch is supposed to represent).

You've heard of Yak Shaving right? Well this is so we maven guys have something to shave when we're fighting dependency hell :)


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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.

Why does the owl need chest hair? (or whatever the oval patch is supposed to represent).

Ralph

> On Nov 23, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr <ma...@free.fr>> wrote:
> 
>> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
>>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
>>> assistance available. I suspect that there is.
>> +1
>> 
> 
> If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get
> somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven
> doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it
> to! ;-)
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
>>> <st...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
>>>> 
>>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
>> +1
>> 
>>>> Users
>>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
>>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
>>>> 
>>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg
>> with
>>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo
>> and
>>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt
>>>> and
>>>> I believe it will help me.
>> +1, even if it puts a higher bar
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
>>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of
>> the
>>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot
>> (or
>>>> something else to mix up the content visually)
>>>> 
>>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
>>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one
>>>> 
>>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer...
>> Though to
>>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
>>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in
>> truth I
>>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with
>> a
>>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
>> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one
>> direction...
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the
>> community
>>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out
>> the
>>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
>> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> By the way, I think I now favour D
>> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is
>> good,
>> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
>> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't
>> know
>> if blue or grey would be better
>> 
> 
> How does green suit?
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png <http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png>
> 
> 
> 
>> and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people
>> (which
>> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing
>> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because
>> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will
>> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....
>> 
> 
> As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the
> mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it
> "shotgun" ;-)
> 
> 
>> 
>> thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do to
>> continue to improve user experience
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Hervé
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly <
>>>> 
>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like
>> removing
>>>> 
>>>>> the outlines:
>>>> 
>> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2
>>>> .png>
>>>>> D is now a tie for me with B
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com');>>
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
>>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked
>> Durk
>>>> 
>>>> nor
>>>> 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do not call for it ;-)
>>>>>>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though
>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>> )
>>>> 
>>>>>> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
>>>>>> you're going to get a similar look.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
>>>>>> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of
>>>>>> solid
>>>>>> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much
>> better
>>>> 
>>>> than
>>>> 
>>>>>> gradients etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's
>> skinny
>>>>>> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't
>>>> 
>>>> see a
>>>> 
>>>>>> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as
>> it
>>>>>> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
>>>>>> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
>>>>>> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Mirko
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <
>>>> 
>>>> michaelo@apache.org
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> michaelo@apache.org>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion on this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word
>>>> 
>>>> maven.
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greek
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hebrew/Jewish
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see
>> an
>>>> 
>>>> old
>>>> 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wise
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> man.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no
>> obvious
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> gender
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> apart
>>>>>>>>>>> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wise
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or
>> belittling
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wise
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> women
>>>>>>>>>>> (irrespective of age)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> probably a better fit
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about
>> genders
>>>> 
>>>> and
>>>> 
>>>>>>> nor am
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not
>>>>>>>>>> rooted
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in
>> the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greek
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store
>>>> 
>>>> from
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Canada.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> --
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.

On Sunday, November 23, 2014, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My suggestion at this point is:
>
> 1. Ask Sally if we can get professional help.


I take it you're stepping up to do that ;-)


> 2. If there is none, or it endorses the Owl, or produces something we hate,
> go with the owl.


Works for me


> 3. as per Michael, don't name the Owl at all. Don't name the awl at owl?


Pah! I think the owl ha been named... We can either except "shotgun the
owl" as the name OR we can displace it with a new name... Though on a
personal note I will allways call it couché-tard ;-)

Having a name has another advantage...

Much easier to say "using profiles makes shotgun angry, angry owls have
been known to bite" and not come across as evangelistic as "using profiles
is not the maven way"

;-)


>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Michael Osipov <michaelo@apache.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Am 2014-11-23 um 22:59 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
> >
> >  On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
> >>>> assistance available. I suspect that there is.
> >>>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>>
> >> If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get
> >> somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven
> >> doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it
> >> to! ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>  On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
> >>>> <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
> >>>>>
> >>>> +1
> >>>
> >>>  Users
> >>>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
> >>>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg
> >>>>>
> >>>> with
> >>>
> >>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo
> >>>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>
> >>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't
> hurt
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> I believe it will help me.
> >>>>>
> >>>> +1, even if it puts a higher bar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
> >>>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end
> of
> >>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot
> >>>>>
> >>>> (or
> >>>
> >>>> something else to mix up the content visually)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions
> from
> >>>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer...
> >>>>>
> >>>> Though to
> >>>
> >>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
> >>>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in
> >>>>>
> >>>> truth I
> >>>
> >>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with
> >>>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>
> >>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
> >>>>>
> >>>> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one
> >>> direction...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the
> >>>>>
> >>>> community
> >>>
> >>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out
> >>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
> >>>>>
> >>>> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good
> >>> choice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By the way, I think I now favour D
> >>>>>
> >>>> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site
> is
> >>> good,
> >>> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
> >>> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression:
> don't
> >>> know
> >>> if blue or grey would be better
> >>>
> >>>
> >> How does green suit?
> >>
> >> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/
> >> maven-owl-7-screenshot.png
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking
> people
> >>> (which
> >>> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without
> showing
> >>> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun
> >>> because
> >>> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you
> >>> will
> >>> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....
> >>>
> >>>
> >> As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the
> >> mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it
> >> "shotgun" ;-)
> >>
> >
> > What is all that fuzz about "shotgun"? I do not get it, I am not a native
> > English speaker. A name, due the international audience we have, should
> be
> > easy to understand, not slang/colloquial, not offending,
> > interpretation-free.
> >
> > Maybe we are better off with just a visual name revamp without a
> mascot...?
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.

My suggestion at this point is:

1. Ask Sally if we can get professional help.
2. If there is none, or it endorses the Owl, or produces something we hate,
go with the owl.
3. as per Michael, don't name the Owl at all. Don't name the awl at owl?


On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org> wrote:

> Am 2014-11-23 um 22:59 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
>
>  On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
>>>> assistance available. I suspect that there is.
>>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>> If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get
>> somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven
>> doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it
>> to! ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>>  On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
>>>> <st...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
>>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>
>>>  Users
>>>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
>>>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg
>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>
>>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt
>>>>> and
>>>>> I believe it will help me.
>>>>>
>>>> +1, even if it puts a higher bar
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
>>>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot
>>>>>
>>>> (or
>>>
>>>> something else to mix up the content visually)
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
>>>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one
>>>>>
>>>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer...
>>>>>
>>>> Though to
>>>
>>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
>>>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in
>>>>>
>>>> truth I
>>>
>>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>
>>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
>>>>>
>>>> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one
>>> direction...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the
>>>>>
>>>> community
>>>
>>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
>>>>>
>>>> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good
>>> choice
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I think I now favour D
>>>>>
>>>> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is
>>> good,
>>> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
>>> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't
>>> know
>>> if blue or grey would be better
>>>
>>>
>> How does green suit?
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/
>> maven-owl-7-screenshot.png
>>
>>
>>
>>  and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people
>>> (which
>>> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing
>>> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun
>>> because
>>> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you
>>> will
>>> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....
>>>
>>>
>> As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the
>> mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it
>> "shotgun" ;-)
>>
>
> What is all that fuzz about "shotgun"? I do not get it, I am not a native
> English speaker. A name, due the international audience we have, should be
> easy to understand, not slang/colloquial, not offending,
> interpretation-free.
>
> Maybe we are better off with just a visual name revamp without a mascot...?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org>.

Am 2014-11-23 um 22:59 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
> On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr> wrote:
>
>> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
>>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
>>> assistance available. I suspect that there is.
>> +1
>>
>
> If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get
> somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven
> doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it
> to! ;-)
>
>
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
>>> <st...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
>>>>
>>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
>> +1
>>
>>>> Users
>>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
>>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
>>>>
>>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg
>> with
>>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo
>> and
>>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt
>>>> and
>>>> I believe it will help me.
>> +1, even if it puts a higher bar
>>
>>>>
>>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
>>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of
>> the
>>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot
>> (or
>>>> something else to mix up the content visually)
>>>>
>>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
>>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one
>>>>
>>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer...
>> Though to
>>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
>>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in
>> truth I
>>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with
>> a
>>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
>> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one
>> direction...
>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the
>> community
>>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out
>> the
>>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
>> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I think I now favour D
>> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is
>> good,
>> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
>> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't
>> know
>> if blue or grey would be better
>>
>
> How does green suit?
>
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png
>
>
>
>> and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people
>> (which
>> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing
>> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because
>> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will
>> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....
>>
>
> As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the
> mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it
> "shotgun" ;-)

What is all that fuzz about "shotgun"? I do not get it, I am not a 
native English speaker. A name, due the international audience we have, 
should be easy to understand, not slang/colloquial, not offending, 
interpretation-free.

Maybe we are better off with just a visual name revamp without a mascot...?

Michael



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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.

On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr> wrote:

> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> > I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
> > assistance available. I suspect that there is.
> +1
>

If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get
somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven
doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it
to! ;-)


>
> > On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
> > <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
> > >
> > > I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
> +1
>
> > > Users
> > > cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
> > > abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
> > >
> > > Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg
> with
> > > the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo
> and
> > > selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt
> > > and
> > > I believe it will help me.
> +1, even if it puts a higher bar
>
> > >
> > > I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
> > > flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of
> the
> > > day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot
> (or
> > > something else to mix up the content visually)
> > >
> > > I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
> > > that... Though I welcome each and every one
> > >
> > > The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer...
> Though to
> > > do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
> > > results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in
> truth I
> > > do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with
> a
> > > new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one
> direction...
>
> > >
> > > I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the
> community
> > > will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out
> the
> > > community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice
>
> > >
> > >
> > > By the way, I think I now favour D
> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is
> good,
> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't
> know
> if blue or grey would be better
>

How does green suit?

http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png



> and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people
> (which
> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing
> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because
> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will
> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....
>

As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the
mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it
"shotgun" ;-)


>
> thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do to
> continue to improve user experience
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
>
> > >
> > > On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly <
> > >
> > > stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like
> removing
> > >
> > > > the outlines:
> > >
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2
> > > .png>
> > > > D is now a tie for me with B
> > > >
> > > > On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
> > > > stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com');>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
> > > >>
> > > >> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
> > > >>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> <
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked
> Durk
> > >
> > > nor
> > >
> > > >>> have
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Do not call for it ;-)
> > > >>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though
> :-)
> > >
> > > )
> > >
> > > >> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
> > > >> you're going to get a similar look.
> > > >>
> > > >> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
> > > >> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
> > > >>
> > > >> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of
> > > >> solid
> > > >> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much
> better
> > >
> > > than
> > >
> > > >> gradients etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's
> skinny
> > > >> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't
> > >
> > > see a
> > >
> > > >> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as
> it
> > > >> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger
> > > >> than
> > > >> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a
> > > >> long
> > > >> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
> > > >> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
> > > >> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
> > > >>
> > > >>> Regards
> > > >>> Mirko
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > Cheers,
> > > >>> > > Paul
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <
> > >
> > > michaelo@apache.org
> > >
> > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > >>> > > > Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
> > > >>> > > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
> > > >>>
> > > >>> michaelo@apache.org>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >>  Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
> > > >>> > > >>>  My opinion on this:
> > > >>> > > >>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word
> > >
> > > maven.
> > >
> > > >>> > > >>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on
> > > >>> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Greek
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Hebrew/Jewish
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > >>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see
> an
> > >
> > > old
> > >
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > wise
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > >>>> man.
> > > >>> > > >>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>  Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no
> obvious
> > > >>>
> > > >>> gender
> > > >>> -
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >> apart
> > > >>> > > >> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas
> > > >>> > > >> the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wise
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > old
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > >> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or
> belittling
> > > >>> > > >> to
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wise
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >> women
> > > >>> > > >> (irrespective of age)
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
> > > >>>
> > > >>> differences
> > > >>> is
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >> probably a better fit
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about
> genders
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > >>> nor am
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > > I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not
> > > >>> > > > rooted
> > > >>>
> > > >>> in
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > > Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in
> the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Greek
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > one.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > > Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
> > > >>> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store
> > >
> > > from
> > >
> > > >>> > > Canada.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > > Michael
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.

Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
> assistance available. I suspect that there is.
+1

> On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly"
> <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
> > 
> > I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite.
+1

> > Users
> > cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
> > abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
> > 
> > Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg with
> > the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo and
> > selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt
> > and
> > I believe it will help me.
+1, even if it puts a higher bar

> > 
> > I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
> > flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of the
> > day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot (or
> > something else to mix up the content visually)
> > 
> > I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
> > that... Though I welcome each and every one
> > 
> > The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... Though to
> > do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
> > results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in truth I
> > do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with a
> > new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one 
direction...

> > 
> > I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the community
> > will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out the
> > community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice

> > 
> > 
> > By the way, I think I now favour D
in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is good, 
since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes
atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't know 
if blue or grey would be better

and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people (which 
have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing 
anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because 
it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will 
discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide....

thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do to 
continue to improve user experience

Regards,

Hervé


> > 
> > On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly <
> > 
> > stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing
> > 
> > > the outlines:
> > http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2
> > .png> 
> > > D is now a tie for me with B
> > > 
> > > On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
> > > stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com');>>
> > 
> > wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
> > >> 
> > >> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
> > >>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> <
> > >>> 
> > >>> > Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk
> > 
> > nor
> > 
> > >>> have
> > >>> 
> > >>> > Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
> > >>> 
> > >>> Do not call for it ;-)
> > >>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-)
> > 
> > )
> > 
> > >> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
> > >> you're going to get a similar look.
> > >> 
> > >> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
> > >> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
> > >> 
> > >> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of
> > >> solid
> > >> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better
> > 
> > than
> > 
> > >> gradients etc.
> > >> 
> > >> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny
> > >> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't
> > 
> > see a
> > 
> > >> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it
> > >> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger
> > >> than
> > >> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a
> > >> long
> > >> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
> > >> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
> > >> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
> > >> 
> > >>> Regards
> > >>> Mirko
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > Cheers,
> > >>> > > Paul
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <
> > 
> > michaelo@apache.org
> > 
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> > > > Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
> > >>> > > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
> > >>> 
> > >>> michaelo@apache.org>
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > >> wrote:
> > >>> > > >>  Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
> > >>> > > >>>  My opinion on this:
> > >>> > > >>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word
> > 
> > maven.
> > 
> > >>> > > >>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on
> > >>> > > >>>> the
> > >>> 
> > >>> Greek
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > >>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > Hebrew/Jewish
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > >>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an
> > 
> > old
> > 
> > >>> and
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > wise
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > >>>> man.
> > >>> > > >>>> 
> > >>> > > >>>>  Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious
> > >>> 
> > >>> gender
> > >>> -
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > >> apart
> > >>> > > >> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas
> > >>> > > >> the
> > >>> 
> > >>> wise
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > old
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > >> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling
> > >>> > > >> to
> > >>> 
> > >>> wise
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > >> women
> > >>> > > >> (irrespective of age)
> > >>> > > >> 
> > >>> > > >> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
> > >>> 
> > >>> differences
> > >>> is
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > >> probably a better fit
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > >>> nor am
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > > I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not
> > >>> > > > rooted
> > >>> 
> > >>> in
> > >>> the
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > > Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the
> > >>> 
> > >>> Greek
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > one.
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > > Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
> > >>> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store
> > 
> > from
> > 
> > >>> > > Canada.
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > > Michael
> > >>> 
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> 
> > >>> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > >>> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > >> 
> > >> --
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> > 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.

I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design
assistance available. I suspect that there is.
On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Why I want a new logo and a mascot:
>
> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. Users
> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
> abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
>
> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg with
> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo and
> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt and
> I believe it will help me.
>
> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of the
> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot (or
> something else to mix up the content visually)
>
> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
> that... Though I welcome each and every one
>
> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... Though to
> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in truth I
> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with a
> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion
>
> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the community
> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out the
> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote
>
>
> By the way, I think I now favour D
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing
> > the outlines:
> >
> >
> >
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2.png
> >
> > D is now a tie for me with B
> >
> > On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
> > stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
> >> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
> >>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> <
> >>> > Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk
> nor
> >>> have
> >>> > Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
> >>>
> >>> Do not call for it ;-)
> >>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-)
> )
> >>
> >>
> >> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
> >> you're going to get a similar look.
> >>
> >> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
> >> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
> >>
> >> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid
> >> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better
> than
> >> gradients etc.
> >>
> >> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny
> >> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't
> see a
> >> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it
> >> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than
> >> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long
> >> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
> >> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
> >> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Mirko
> >>>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cheers,
> >>> > > Paul
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <
> michaelo@apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
> >>> michaelo@apache.org>
> >>> > > >> wrote:
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >>  Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
> >>> > > >>>
> >>> > > >>>  My opinion on this:
> >>> > > >>>>
> >>> > > >>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word
> maven.
> >>> > > >>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the
> >>> Greek
> >>> > > >>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
> >>> > > Hebrew/Jewish
> >>> > > >>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an
> old
> >>> and
> >>> > > wise
> >>> > > >>>> man.
> >>> > > >>>>
> >>> > > >>>
> >>> > > >>>
> >>> > > >>>
> >>> > > >>>>  Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious
> >>> gender
> >>> -
> >>> > > >> apart
> >>> > > >> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the
> >>> wise
> >>> > > old
> >>> > > >> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to
> >>> wise
> >>> > > >> women
> >>> > > >> (irrespective of age)
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
> >>> differences
> >>> is
> >>> > > >> probably a better fit
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders
> and
> >>> nor am
> >>> > > > I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted
> >>> in
> >>> the
> >>> > > > Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the
> >>> Greek
> >>> > > one.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
> >>> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store
> from
> >>> > > Canada.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Michael
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from my phone
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my phone
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.

Why I want a new logo and a mascot:

I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. Users
cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on
abusing maven rather than having maven help them.

Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg with
the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo and
selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt and
I believe it will help me.

I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be
flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of the
day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot (or
something else to mix up the content visually)

I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from
that... Though I welcome each and every one

The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... Though to
do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good
results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in truth I
do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with a
new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion

I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the community
will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out the
community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote


By the way, I think I now favour D

On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly <
stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing
> the outlines:
>
>
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2.png
>
> D is now a tie for me with B
>
> On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
>> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <
>>> > Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor
>>> have
>>> > Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
>>>
>>> Do not call for it ;-)
>>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) )
>>
>>
>> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
>> you're going to get a similar look.
>>
>> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
>> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
>>
>> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid
>> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than
>> gradients etc.
>>
>> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny
>> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a
>> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it
>> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than
>> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
>>
>>
>>
>> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long
>> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
>> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
>> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Mirko
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers,
>>> > > Paul
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <michaelo@apache.org
>>> >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
>>> michaelo@apache.org>
>>> > > >> wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>  Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>  My opinion on this:
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven.
>>> > > >>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the
>>> Greek
>>> > > >>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
>>> > > Hebrew/Jewish
>>> > > >>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old
>>> and
>>> > > wise
>>> > > >>>> man.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>>  Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious
>>> gender
>>> -
>>> > > >> apart
>>> > > >> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the
>>> wise
>>> > > old
>>> > > >> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to
>>> wise
>>> > > >> women
>>> > > >> (irrespective of age)
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
>>> differences
>>> is
>>> > > >> probably a better fit
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and
>>> nor am
>>> > > > I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > > > Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the
>>> Greek
>>> > > one.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
>>> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from
>>> > > Canada.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Michael
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my phone
>>
>
>

-- 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to "v"

Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.

Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing
the outlines:

http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2.png

D is now a tie for me with B

On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly <
stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen <
> mfriedenhagen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" <
>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <
>> > Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor
>> have
>> > Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge)
>>
>> Do not call for it ;-)
>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) )
>
>
> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours,
> you're going to get a similar look.
>
> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going
> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness
>
> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid
> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than
> gradients etc.
>
> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny
> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a
> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it
> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than
> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost...
>
>
>
> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long
> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer
> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need...
> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-)
>
>
>
>> Regards
>> Mirko
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Paul
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov <
>> michaelo@apache.org>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>  My opinion on this:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven.
>> > > >>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the
>> Greek
>> > > >>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of
>> > > Hebrew/Jewish
>> > > >>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old
>> and
>> > > wise
>> > > >>>> man.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>>  Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious
>> gender
>> -
>> > > >> apart
>> > > >> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the
>> wise
>> > > old
>> > > >> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to
>> wise
>> > > >> women
>> > > >> (irrespective of age)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender
>> differences
>> is
>> > > >> probably a better fit
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > > You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and
>> nor am
>> > > > I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in
>> the
>> > > > Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the
>> Greek
>> > > one.
>> > > >
>> > > > Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks:
>> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from
>> > > Canada.
>> > > >
>> > > > Michael
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my phone
>