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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Jan Bares <he...@yahoo.com> on 2004/10/16 10:20:13 UTC
Gmane archive of this list
Hi,
apparently Gmane doesn't archive messages from this list and
subversion.tigris.org archive is outdated. The reason why Gmane doesn't
archive messages is presence of "X-No-Archive: yes" in headers. This can be
turned on by someone responsible at Tigris or by a person who registered
this group at Gmane. Have a look at http://gmane.org/expiry.php, the headers
can be ignored.
Is there somebody who can do it?
Regards Jan
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Jacob Atzen <ja...@aub.dk> writes:
> Why isn't this the default archive for the users list? The archive
> linked from the homepage is next to useless :-(
We try to link to it from prominent places. But we don't have full
control over the mailing list page itself, because that HTML is
generated by Java servlets.
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Jacob Atzen <ja...@aub.dk>.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 09:49:22AM -0400, Toby Johnson wrote:
> Jan Bares wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >apparently Gmane doesn't archive messages from this list and
> >subversion.tigris.org archive is outdated.
> >
> Most people use this archive.
> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svnusers/
Why isn't this the default archive for the users list? The archive
linked from the homepage is next to useless :-(
--
Cheers,
- Jacob Atzen
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by "Alex R. Mosteo" <al...@mosteo.com>.
Kevin Puetz wrote:
> Alex R. Mosteo wrote:
>
>
>>Toby Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>Jan Bares wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>apparently Gmane doesn't archive messages from this list and
>>>>subversion.tigris.org archive is outdated.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Most people use this archive.
>>>http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svnusers/
>>>
>>>Gmane support would be nice as well, however.
>>
>>I read this through Gmane. ?
>
>
> But the list has the X-No-Archive header set to yes, so gmane expires it
> after 14 days. Which means the back-archives aren't searchable.
Ah, ok.
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Re: Ignoring X-No-Archive for lists @subversion.tigris.org.
Posted by Jan Bares <he...@yahoo.com>.
Thanks Karl!
Regards Jan
> That's fine, at least we're good for the future.
>
> -Karl
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Re: Ignoring X-No-Archive for lists @subversion.tigris.org.
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <la...@gnus.org> writes:
> Ok; I've now switched off X-No-Archive handling for all
> @subversion.tigris.org lists. There's a whole lot of svn-related
> lists on tigris that don't have email addresses at that subdomain,
> though, like "users@subclipse.tigris.org", and I haven't touched
> these.
That's perfect. Thank you for the quick action!
> Messages that have already arrived will still be expired, but
> messages that arrive from now on will never be expired.
That's fine, at least we're good for the future.
-Karl
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Re: Ignoring X-No-Archive for lists @subversion.tigris.org.
Posted by Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <la...@gnus.org>.
kfogel@collab.net writes:
> Hello, I am one of the admins for the list users@subversion.tigris.org.
> Our list software adds the "X-No-Archive" header, although we wish it
> didn't. As we don't have full control over the list software, I'm
> writing to ask if Gmane can ignore the "X-No-Archive" header on all
> mailing lists *@subversion.tigris.org. Specific list names are:
>
> users@subversion.tigris.org
> dev@subversion.tigris.org
> announce@subversion.tigris.org
> users@subversion.tigris.org
> svn@subversion.tigris.org
> svn-breakage@subversion.tigris.org
> l10-es@subversion.tigris.org
> l10-ru@subversion.tigris.org
> l10-fr@subversion.tigris.org
>
> But we may get more lists, so if it's possible to just ignore
> X-No-Archive on *everything* coming from @subversion.tigris.org, that
> would be ideal.
Ok; I've now switched off X-No-Archive handling for all
@subversion.tigris.org lists. There's a whole lot of svn-related
lists on tigris that don't have email addresses at that subdomain,
though, like "users@subclipse.tigris.org", and I haven't touched
these.
Messages that have already arrived will still be expired, but
messages that arrive from now on will never be expired.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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Ignoring X-No-Archive for lists @subversion.tigris.org.
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Hello, I am one of the admins for the list users@subversion.tigris.org.
Our list software adds the "X-No-Archive" header, although we wish it
didn't. As we don't have full control over the list software, I'm
writing to ask if Gmane can ignore the "X-No-Archive" header on all
mailing lists *@subversion.tigris.org. Specific list names are:
users@subversion.tigris.org
dev@subversion.tigris.org
announce@subversion.tigris.org
users@subversion.tigris.org
svn@subversion.tigris.org
svn-breakage@subversion.tigris.org
l10-es@subversion.tigris.org
l10-ru@subversion.tigris.org
l10-fr@subversion.tigris.org
But we may get more lists, so if it's possible to just ignore
X-No-Archive on *everything* coming from @subversion.tigris.org, that
would be ideal.
If it's necessary to authenticate my status as a list admin, let me
know what method you'd like to use.
Thank you for your time,
-Karl Fogel
Kevin Puetz <pu...@puetzk.org> writes:
> kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> > No, it's not -- we're working on getting the header turned off, but
> > it's tricky due to the way the list server is set up.
> >
> > Can you tell who set up the list at Gmane? It would be great if we
> > could get Gmane to ignore the header.
>
> Actually, being the person who subscribed it at gmane doesn't really matter,
> AIUI you just have to convince them that you are the list admin and hence
> authorized to tell them you want it archived at gmane anyway. (some of this
> is described at http://gmane.org/expiry.php)
>
> I think a common approach is to have them mail you a 'magic token' to a list
> support/admin contact from the message headers, but I suspect they are also
> flexible regarding other approaches. Just send them and email and ask.
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Kevin Puetz <pu...@puetzk.org>.
kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> No, it's not -- we're working on getting the header turned off, but
> it's tricky due to the way the list server is set up.
>
> Can you tell who set up the list at Gmane? It would be great if we
> could get Gmane to ignore the header.
Actually, being the person who subscribed it at gmane doesn't really matter,
AIUI you just have to convince them that you are the list admin and hence
authorized to tell them you want it archived at gmane anyway. (some of this
is described at http://gmane.org/expiry.php)
I think a common approach is to have them mail you a 'magic token' to a list
support/admin contact from the message headers, but I suspect they are also
flexible regarding other approaches. Just send them and email and ask.
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
"Jan Bares" <he...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > Yes. And this can be fixed, gmane allows to archive lists even with this
> > flag set, but this must be changed by a person who subscribed this list at
> > Gmane.
>
> Or is the header set intentionally?
No, it's not -- we're working on getting the header turned off, but
it's tricky due to the way the list server is set up.
Can you tell who set up the list at Gmane? It would be great if we
could get Gmane to ignore the header.
-Karl
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Jan Bares <he...@yahoo.com>.
> Yes. And this can be fixed, gmane allows to archive lists even with this
> flag set, but this must be changed by a person who subscribed this list at
> Gmane.
>
> Jan
Or is the header set intentionally?
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Jan Bares <he...@yahoo.com>.
> But the list has the X-No-Archive header set to yes, so gmane expires it
> after 14 days. Which means the back-archives aren't searchable.
Yes. And this can be fixed, gmane allows to archive lists even with this
flag set, but this must be changed by a person who subscribed this list at
Gmane.
Jan
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Jan Bares <he...@yahoo.com>.
> >> Most people use this archive.
> >> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svnusers/
But searching is unwieldy. The subjects are part of the message, you cannot
quickly skip false positives just looking at the header, because the header
is not displayed.
Jan
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Kevin Puetz <pu...@puetzk.org>.
Alex R. Mosteo wrote:
> Toby Johnson wrote:
>> Jan Bares wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> apparently Gmane doesn't archive messages from this list and
>>> subversion.tigris.org archive is outdated.
>>>
>> Most people use this archive.
>> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svnusers/
>>
>> Gmane support would be nice as well, however.
>
> I read this through Gmane. ?
But the list has the X-No-Archive header set to yes, so gmane expires it
after 14 days. Which means the back-archives aren't searchable.
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by "Alex R. Mosteo" <al...@mosteo.com>.
Toby Johnson wrote:
> Jan Bares wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> apparently Gmane doesn't archive messages from this list and
>> subversion.tigris.org archive is outdated.
>>
> Most people use this archive.
> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svnusers/
>
> Gmane support would be nice as well, however.
I read this through Gmane. ?
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Re: Gmane archive of this list
Posted by Toby Johnson <to...@etjohnson.us>.
Jan Bares wrote:
>Hi,
>
>apparently Gmane doesn't archive messages from this list and
>subversion.tigris.org archive is outdated.
>
Most people use this archive.
http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svnusers/
Gmane support would be nice as well, however.
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