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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Alex McLintock <al...@OWAL.co.uk> on 2003/06/15 16:02:01 UTC
Arrgh TOmcat
The dependancy on a particular version of tomcat, or a particular
installation of tomcat with jar files in specific directories is driving me
up the wall.
I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of Lenya
*with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of the box.
I realise that limits it to CD based installation - or those with fast
internet links.
The main drawback of this is that you have to worry about the particular
Java version too. Perhaps we should look at the java install systems too if
licenses allow.
Alex
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>
> Andreas Kuckartz wrote, On 16/06/2003 10.54:
>
>>> I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
>>> Lenya
>>> *with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of the
>>> box.
>>
>>
>> +1 from a noncommitter for an out of the box distribution.
>>
>> But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
>
>
> Cocoon ships jetty already, so I would propose that Lenya do it too.
right, we actually just have to give people a "pointer" how to start jetty
> We have always to remember that bandwidth is something that Apache
> ultimately pays for
Well, at the moment the snapshots are served from the Wyona domain,
which I guess is "illegal" anyway (without proper notification, e.g.
BEWARE these snapshots ....).
(http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/installation/download.html)
What is the policy for something like that?
And, can a Cocooner help us on setting up a "cronjob" for generating the
snapshots under the Apache domain?
Thanks
Michael
, and since Jetty is so smaller... and also faster to
> start and easier to co-bundle.
>
> Also, AFAIK, usually Tomcat users have always a Tomcat ready to test it
> with a .war, instead of having to redownload it.
>
> So +1 for Jetty from a Cocooner ;-)
>
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Markus Vaterlaus <mv...@mus.ch>.
Hello all,
a very good idea, indeed!
I strongly vote for snapshots with everything packed in so that Lenya
is ready to run within minutes. I think this could lower the entry
barrier a bit.
--mv
>
> Andreas Kuckartz wrote, On 16/06/2003 10.54:
>>> I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
>>> Lenya
>>> *with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of
>>> the
>>> box.
>> +1 from a noncommitter for an out of the box distribution.
>> But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
>
> Cocoon ships jetty already, so I would propose that Lenya do it too.
> We have always to remember that bandwidth is something that Apache
> ultimately pays for, and since Jetty is so smaller... and also faster
> to start and easier to co-bundle.
>
> Also, AFAIK, usually Tomcat users have always a Tomcat ready to test
> it with a .war, instead of having to redownload it.
>
> So +1 for Jetty from a Cocooner ;-)
>
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
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> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Andreas Kuckartz wrote, On 16/06/2003 10.54:
>>I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
>> Lenya
>>*with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of the
>> box.
>
> +1 from a noncommitter for an out of the box distribution.
>
> But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
Cocoon ships jetty already, so I would propose that Lenya do it too.
We have always to remember that bandwidth is something that Apache
ultimately pays for, and since Jetty is so smaller... and also faster to
start and easier to co-bundle.
Also, AFAIK, usually Tomcat users have always a Tomcat ready to test it
with a .war, instead of having to redownload it.
So +1 for Jetty from a Cocooner ;-)
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(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@apache.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
>
>>> I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
>>
>>
>> Lenya
>>
>>> *with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of the
>>
>>
>> box.
>>
>> +1 from a noncommitter for an out of the box distribution.
>>
>> But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
we can also have two targets:
snapshot-jetty
snapshot-tomcat
>
>
> Then we need someone who is familiar with Jetty and is responsible
> for maintaining the distribution and provide support on the list.
agreed
Thanks
Michael
> Andreas, would you like to do that?
>
> Andreas
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Andreas Kuckartz wrote, On 16/06/2003 15.54:
>>>But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
>>
>>Then we need someone who is familiar with Jetty and is responsible
>>for maintaining the distribution and provide support on the list.
>>Andreas, would you like to do that?
>
> I have assigned the new issue number 20810 to myself. Regarding support ...
> well we will see.
Look at the Cocoon jetty stuff, it should be easy to rip it off from there.
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
> > But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
>
> Then we need someone who is familiar with Jetty and is responsible
> for maintaining the distribution and provide support on the list.
> Andreas, would you like to do that?
I have assigned the new issue number 20810 to myself. Regarding support ...
well we will see.
Andreas
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Re: Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
>>I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
>
> Lenya
>
>>*with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of the
>
> box.
>
> +1 from a noncommitter for an out of the box distribution.
>
> But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
Then we need someone who is familiar with Jetty and is responsible
for maintaining the distribution and provide support on the list.
Andreas, would you like to do that?
Andreas
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Jetty or Tomcat (Re: Arrgh TOmcat)
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
> I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
Lenya
> *with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of the
box.
+1 from a noncommitter for an out of the box distribution.
But I would prefer Jetty to Tomcat.
Andreas
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Re: Arrgh TOmcat
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@apache.org>.
Alex McLintock wrote:
> The dependancy on a particular version of tomcat, or a particular
> installation of tomcat with jar files in specific directories is driving
> me up the wall.
>
> I'm wondering whether it is worth considering a whole distribution of
> Lenya *with* tomcat so that there is no question about it working out of
> the box.
it definitely is. I already suggested some ago to introduce a new
target, e.g. "snapshot-tomcat" and add it to
src/targets/dist-build.xml
there are already "similar" targets:
snapshot
snapshot-src
dist
dist-src
this reminds me that there seems to be some redundancy between
"snapshot" and "dist"
>
> I realise that limits it to CD based installation - or those with fast
> internet links.
>
> The main drawback of this is that you have to worry about the particular
> Java version too.
I guess we have to live with that
Thanks
Michael
Perhaps we should look at the java install systems too
> if licenses allow.
>
>
> Alex
>
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