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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> on 2017/06/28 09:32:42 UTC

Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Hi all,

my Designer, who is working with me on part of the new NetBeans page and on the new logo, as you can remember, gave me some suggestions, build on my proposal for a new NetBeans SplashScreen. See the attachment for this.
 
What will be the next progress to bring it on, to the new NetBeans 9.0 Release? I think it is time for a rebranding and modern UI concept for NetBeans, the Logo and the Page under Apache and with the new major release of NB 9.0. Should I create a ticket for this? Because I can remember that Bertrand Delacretaz suggested it via a ticket or so.
 
I know that this is not so the highest priority for this but it shouldn’t be so low, because it is a part of the whole DIE and we should Focus on it too, before the NB 9.0 release, if we will handle it there, which makes sense.
 
 
Regards
 
Chris

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Sven Reimers <sv...@gmail.com>.

I am missing the Apache feather...

Sven

Am 28.06.2017 13:23 schrieb "Jens Hofschröer" <ap...@nigjo.de>:

> Hi Chris
>
> Am 28.06.2017 um 11:38 schrieb Christian Lenz:
>
>> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?
>> id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>>
>
> I have to say, that I don't like any of them. They are looking sterile to
> me without any structure. I like the structured background of the current
> (and former) splash screens.
>
> Greetings
> Jens
>
> --
> http://blog.nigjo.de/netbeans/
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Jens Hofschröer <ap...@nigjo.de>.

Hi Chris

Am 28.06.2017 um 11:38 schrieb Christian Lenz:
> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM

I have to say, that I don't like any of them. They are looking sterile 
to me without any structure. I like the structured background of the 
current (and former) splash screens.

Greetings
Jens

-- 
http://blog.nigjo.de/netbeans/

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Great Suggestion Dmitry, I like the lowercases on the second Image 😊
I don’t like the background but this is only my opinion, I think you wanted to bring the old/current logo into it if I guess it right?
I wanted to remove it from it because, when we will Change the logo, it doesn’t fit anymore. Only as a hint.

I will provide later more examples with a better Background pattern, which should Looks more modern than the current one from 7.0 until 8.2.


I will say BYOS – Bring Your Own Splashscreen too, that we can have a lot of alternatives and maybe a lot of stuff for next Releases 😊


Regards

Chris

Von: Dmitry Avtonomov
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 19:14
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Or even this:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A3BtFY2Bv2NU1qLVJDbFhYZ00

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Dmitry Avtonomov <
dmitriy.avtonomov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's my version:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A3BtFY2Bv2WktLcXVKdVVqYWM
>
> Best,
> Dmitry
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:37 PM, John Yeary <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I personally like v1 kopie 2 since it seems to match up with the current
>> appearance. Nice work.
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> John Yeary
>> ____________________________
>> *NetBeans Dream Team*
>>
>> *Founder Greenville Java Users GroupJava Users Groups Community Leader*
>> ____________________________
>>
>> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
>> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>> <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
>> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>> <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>>
>> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
>> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
>> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
>> that knows not victory nor defeat."
>> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Dmitry Avtonomov <
>> dmitriy.avtonomov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Definitely not the ones with red borders - they look like an error
>> message
>> > box.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > @Neil here is the answer from the designer:
>> > >
>> > > NetBeans in the same font-weight would be strange as already a
>> seperation
>> > > by the small and upper case takes place. This is only supported once
>> > again
>> > > by the bold Net.
>> > > It also highlights the digital approach and networking.
>> > >
>> > > The other thing, what came into my mind, after you ask was, why is
>> > already
>> > > a separation of NetBeans? Why not Netbeans?
>> > > Maybe Geertjan can smth about the Name.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For the others who don’t like the style of the new splash Screens or
>> > > missing stuff like feathers etc. first I will provide some more,
>> > different
>> > > styles later, in a couple of days or so and I will provide a ticket to
>> > > collect all ideas to maybe have a vote later. Sure we can have a
>> feather,
>> > > sure we can have Apache, sure we can have signs in the Background. It
>> is
>> > up
>> > > to all of us to provide ideas. I started, I will go on, you can do the
>> > > same, you have the PSD or the Images, or tage the splash_nb.gif inside
>> > the
>> > > netbeans Folder to Change it.
>> > >
>> > > For my perspective, we can’t find a common splash Screen for
>> everyone, I
>> > > don’t like the current ones since 7.0 or so, because it Looks not
>> modern
>> > > and the eyes are eating too so I would like to provide a new, modern,
>> > > better looking style for the logo, the splash Screen and the page.
>> Some
>> > > likes it, some not but in the end, there is so much Branding outside
>> > there,
>> > > see visual Studio over the years and intelliJ to, only netbeans didn’t
>> > get
>> > > a rebranding of the page, the logo and the UI (except from the darcula
>> > > 3rd-party-plugin) and the splash Screen for yeeeeears. It is time to
>> > have a
>> > > modern DIE now and this could happen under Apache. It is often a style
>> > > Thing, If I don’t like what I see, I will not use it, if there are
>> > > alternatives (except from others like Features, etc.).
>> > >
>> > > Everything needs a Change. A Change could be good or bad, but a
>> change is
>> > > better than no change.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Chris
>> > >
>> > > Von: Neil C Smith
>> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
>> > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <
>> christian.lenz@gmx.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>> > > > Here is the link:
>> > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I
>> asked
>> > > before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
>> > > emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
>> > > Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
>> > > uniform lighter weight.
>> > >
>> > > Best wishes,
>> > >
>> > > Neil
>> > > --
>> > > Neil C Smith
>> > > Artist & Technologist
>> > > www.neilcsmith.net
>> > >
>> > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>> www.praxislive.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Dmitry Avtonomov <dm...@gmail.com>.

Or even this:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A3BtFY2Bv2NU1qLVJDbFhYZ00

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Dmitry Avtonomov <
dmitriy.avtonomov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's my version:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A3BtFY2Bv2WktLcXVKdVVqYWM
>
> Best,
> Dmitry
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:37 PM, John Yeary <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I personally like v1 kopie 2 since it seems to match up with the current
>> appearance. Nice work.
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> John Yeary
>> ____________________________
>> *NetBeans Dream Team*
>>
>> *Founder Greenville Java Users GroupJava Users Groups Community Leader*
>> ____________________________
>>
>> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
>> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>> <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
>> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>> <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>>
>> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
>> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
>> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
>> that knows not victory nor defeat."
>> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Dmitry Avtonomov <
>> dmitriy.avtonomov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Definitely not the ones with red borders - they look like an error
>> message
>> > box.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > @Neil here is the answer from the designer:
>> > >
>> > > NetBeans in the same font-weight would be strange as already a
>> seperation
>> > > by the small and upper case takes place. This is only supported once
>> > again
>> > > by the bold Net.
>> > > It also highlights the digital approach and networking.
>> > >
>> > > The other thing, what came into my mind, after you ask was, why is
>> > already
>> > > a separation of NetBeans? Why not Netbeans?
>> > > Maybe Geertjan can smth about the Name.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For the others who don’t like the style of the new splash Screens or
>> > > missing stuff like feathers etc. first I will provide some more,
>> > different
>> > > styles later, in a couple of days or so and I will provide a ticket to
>> > > collect all ideas to maybe have a vote later. Sure we can have a
>> feather,
>> > > sure we can have Apache, sure we can have signs in the Background. It
>> is
>> > up
>> > > to all of us to provide ideas. I started, I will go on, you can do the
>> > > same, you have the PSD or the Images, or tage the splash_nb.gif inside
>> > the
>> > > netbeans Folder to Change it.
>> > >
>> > > For my perspective, we can’t find a common splash Screen for
>> everyone, I
>> > > don’t like the current ones since 7.0 or so, because it Looks not
>> modern
>> > > and the eyes are eating too so I would like to provide a new, modern,
>> > > better looking style for the logo, the splash Screen and the page.
>> Some
>> > > likes it, some not but in the end, there is so much Branding outside
>> > there,
>> > > see visual Studio over the years and intelliJ to, only netbeans didn’t
>> > get
>> > > a rebranding of the page, the logo and the UI (except from the darcula
>> > > 3rd-party-plugin) and the splash Screen for yeeeeears. It is time to
>> > have a
>> > > modern DIE now and this could happen under Apache. It is often a style
>> > > Thing, If I don’t like what I see, I will not use it, if there are
>> > > alternatives (except from others like Features, etc.).
>> > >
>> > > Everything needs a Change. A Change could be good or bad, but a
>> change is
>> > > better than no change.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Chris
>> > >
>> > > Von: Neil C Smith
>> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
>> > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <
>> christian.lenz@gmx.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>> > > > Here is the link:
>> > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I
>> asked
>> > > before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
>> > > emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
>> > > Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
>> > > uniform lighter weight.
>> > >
>> > > Best wishes,
>> > >
>> > > Neil
>> > > --
>> > > Neil C Smith
>> > > Artist & Technologist
>> > > www.neilcsmith.net
>> > >
>> > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>> www.praxislive.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Dmitry Avtonomov <dm...@gmail.com>.

Here's my version:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A3BtFY2Bv2WktLcXVKdVVqYWM

Best,
Dmitry

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:37 PM, John Yeary <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally like v1 kopie 2 since it seems to match up with the current
> appearance. Nice work.
>
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
> *NetBeans Dream Team*
>
> *Founder Greenville Java Users GroupJava Users Groups Community Leader*
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
> <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
> <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Dmitry Avtonomov <
> dmitriy.avtonomov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Definitely not the ones with red borders - they look like an error
> message
> > box.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > @Neil here is the answer from the designer:
> > >
> > > NetBeans in the same font-weight would be strange as already a
> seperation
> > > by the small and upper case takes place. This is only supported once
> > again
> > > by the bold Net.
> > > It also highlights the digital approach and networking.
> > >
> > > The other thing, what came into my mind, after you ask was, why is
> > already
> > > a separation of NetBeans? Why not Netbeans?
> > > Maybe Geertjan can smth about the Name.
> > >
> > >
> > > For the others who don’t like the style of the new splash Screens or
> > > missing stuff like feathers etc. first I will provide some more,
> > different
> > > styles later, in a couple of days or so and I will provide a ticket to
> > > collect all ideas to maybe have a vote later. Sure we can have a
> feather,
> > > sure we can have Apache, sure we can have signs in the Background. It
> is
> > up
> > > to all of us to provide ideas. I started, I will go on, you can do the
> > > same, you have the PSD or the Images, or tage the splash_nb.gif inside
> > the
> > > netbeans Folder to Change it.
> > >
> > > For my perspective, we can’t find a common splash Screen for everyone,
> I
> > > don’t like the current ones since 7.0 or so, because it Looks not
> modern
> > > and the eyes are eating too so I would like to provide a new, modern,
> > > better looking style for the logo, the splash Screen and the page. Some
> > > likes it, some not but in the end, there is so much Branding outside
> > there,
> > > see visual Studio over the years and intelliJ to, only netbeans didn’t
> > get
> > > a rebranding of the page, the logo and the UI (except from the darcula
> > > 3rd-party-plugin) and the splash Screen for yeeeeears. It is time to
> > have a
> > > modern DIE now and this could happen under Apache. It is often a style
> > > Thing, If I don’t like what I see, I will not use it, if there are
> > > alternatives (except from others like Features, etc.).
> > >
> > > Everything needs a Change. A Change could be good or bad, but a change
> is
> > > better than no change.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Von: Neil C Smith
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
> > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <
> christian.lenz@gmx.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> > > > Here is the link:
> > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
> > > >
> > >
> > > Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I asked
> > > before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
> > > emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
> > > Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
> > > uniform lighter weight.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > > --
> > > Neil C Smith
> > > Artist & Technologist
> > > www.neilcsmith.net
> > >
> > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> www.praxislive.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by John Yeary <jo...@gmail.com>.

I personally like v1 kopie 2 since it seems to match up with the current
appearance. Nice work.

____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________
*NetBeans Dream Team*

*Founder Greenville Java Users GroupJava Users Groups Community Leader*
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
<http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
<http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Dmitry Avtonomov <
dmitriy.avtonomov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Definitely not the ones with red borders - they look like an error message
> box.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > @Neil here is the answer from the designer:
> >
> > NetBeans in the same font-weight would be strange as already a seperation
> > by the small and upper case takes place. This is only supported once
> again
> > by the bold Net.
> > It also highlights the digital approach and networking.
> >
> > The other thing, what came into my mind, after you ask was, why is
> already
> > a separation of NetBeans? Why not Netbeans?
> > Maybe Geertjan can smth about the Name.
> >
> >
> > For the others who don’t like the style of the new splash Screens or
> > missing stuff like feathers etc. first I will provide some more,
> different
> > styles later, in a couple of days or so and I will provide a ticket to
> > collect all ideas to maybe have a vote later. Sure we can have a feather,
> > sure we can have Apache, sure we can have signs in the Background. It is
> up
> > to all of us to provide ideas. I started, I will go on, you can do the
> > same, you have the PSD or the Images, or tage the splash_nb.gif inside
> the
> > netbeans Folder to Change it.
> >
> > For my perspective, we can’t find a common splash Screen for everyone, I
> > don’t like the current ones since 7.0 or so, because it Looks not modern
> > and the eyes are eating too so I would like to provide a new, modern,
> > better looking style for the logo, the splash Screen and the page. Some
> > likes it, some not but in the end, there is so much Branding outside
> there,
> > see visual Studio over the years and intelliJ to, only netbeans didn’t
> get
> > a rebranding of the page, the logo and the UI (except from the darcula
> > 3rd-party-plugin) and the splash Screen for yeeeeears. It is time to
> have a
> > modern DIE now and this could happen under Apache. It is often a style
> > Thing, If I don’t like what I see, I will not use it, if there are
> > alternatives (except from others like Features, etc.).
> >
> > Everything needs a Change. A Change could be good or bad, but a change is
> > better than no change.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Neil C Smith
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> > > Here is the link:
> > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
> > >
> >
> > Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I asked
> > before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
> > emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
> > Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
> > uniform lighter weight.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> > --
> > Neil C Smith
> > Artist & Technologist
> > www.neilcsmith.net
> >
> > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
> >
> >
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Dmitry Avtonomov <dm...@gmail.com>.

Definitely not the ones with red borders - they look like an error message
box.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> @Neil here is the answer from the designer:
>
> NetBeans in the same font-weight would be strange as already a seperation
> by the small and upper case takes place. This is only supported once again
> by the bold Net.
> It also highlights the digital approach and networking.
>
> The other thing, what came into my mind, after you ask was, why is already
> a separation of NetBeans? Why not Netbeans?
> Maybe Geertjan can smth about the Name.
>
>
> For the others who don’t like the style of the new splash Screens or
> missing stuff like feathers etc. first I will provide some more, different
> styles later, in a couple of days or so and I will provide a ticket to
> collect all ideas to maybe have a vote later. Sure we can have a feather,
> sure we can have Apache, sure we can have signs in the Background. It is up
> to all of us to provide ideas. I started, I will go on, you can do the
> same, you have the PSD or the Images, or tage the splash_nb.gif inside the
> netbeans Folder to Change it.
>
> For my perspective, we can’t find a common splash Screen for everyone, I
> don’t like the current ones since 7.0 or so, because it Looks not modern
> and the eyes are eating too so I would like to provide a new, modern,
> better looking style for the logo, the splash Screen and the page. Some
> likes it, some not but in the end, there is so much Branding outside there,
> see visual Studio over the years and intelliJ to, only netbeans didn’t get
> a rebranding of the page, the logo and the UI (except from the darcula
> 3rd-party-plugin) and the splash Screen for yeeeeears. It is time to have a
> modern DIE now and this could happen under Apache. It is often a style
> Thing, If I don’t like what I see, I will not use it, if there are
> alternatives (except from others like Features, etc.).
>
> Everything needs a Change. A Change could be good or bad, but a change is
> better than no change.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Neil C Smith
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> > Here is the link:
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
> >
>
> Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I asked
> before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
> emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
> Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
> uniform lighter weight.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
>

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

@Neil here is the answer from the designer:

NetBeans in the same font-weight would be strange as already a seperation by the small and upper case takes place. This is only supported once again by the bold Net.
It also highlights the digital approach and networking.

The other thing, what came into my mind, after you ask was, why is already a separation of NetBeans? Why not Netbeans?
Maybe Geertjan can smth about the Name.

For the others who don’t like the style of the new splash Screens or missing stuff like feathers etc. first I will provide some more, different styles later, in a couple of days or so and I will provide a ticket to collect all ideas to maybe have a vote later. Sure we can have a feather, sure we can have Apache, sure we can have signs in the Background. It is up to all of us to provide ideas. I started, I will go on, you can do the same, you have the PSD or the Images, or tage the splash_nb.gif inside the netbeans Folder to Change it.

For my perspective, we can’t find a common splash Screen for everyone, I don’t like the current ones since 7.0 or so, because it Looks not modern and the eyes are eating too so I would like to provide a new, modern, better looking style for the logo, the splash Screen and the page. Some likes it, some not but in the end, there is so much Branding outside there, see visual Studio over the years and intelliJ to, only netbeans didn’t get a rebranding of the page, the logo and the UI (except from the darcula 3rd-party-plugin) and the splash Screen for yeeeeears. It is time to have a modern DIE now and this could happen under Apache. It is often a style Thing, If I don’t like what I see, I will not use it, if there are alternatives (except from others like Features, etc.).

Everything needs a Change. A Change could be good or bad, but a change is better than no change.

Regards

Chris

Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>

Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these. But one question I asked
before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
emphasising the Net in NetBeans? Has that ever been done before?
Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
uniform lighter weight.

Best wishes,

Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Sure, we can Change it.

Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 12:02
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:54 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> I can’t answered by my self properly, it Comes from the designer. I will
> ask him. For my perspective it is only a style element, nothing more. Sure
> we can have a Version with only emphasis the IDE + 9.0 or only IDE.
>

OK.  I disagree that it's just a style element, though - bold is emphasis.
Personally, one confusion I've found amongst people who've not heard of
NetBeans before is that it's solely / mainly focused on online projects.
Shouting that bit out more doesn't help with that.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@googlemail.com>.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:54 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> I can’t answered by my self properly, it Comes from the designer. I will
> ask him. For my perspective it is only a style element, nothing more. Sure
> we can have a Version with only emphasis the IDE + 9.0 or only IDE.
>

OK.  I disagree that it's just a style element, though - bold is emphasis.
Personally, one confusion I've found amongst people who've not heard of
NetBeans before is that it's solely / mainly focused on online projects.
Shouting that bit out more doesn't help with that.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

I can’t answered by my self properly, it Comes from the designer. I will ask him. For my perspective it is only a style element, nothing more. Sure we can have a Version with only emphasis the IDE + 9.0 or only IDE.

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Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:50
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>

Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I asked
before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
uniform lighter weight.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@googlemail.com>.

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>

Firstly, I like the clarity of some of these.  But one question I asked
before and I don't think was answered - what's the thought behind
emphasising the Net in NetBeans?  Has that ever been done before?
Personally I'd prefer the emphasis just on the IDE text with NetBeans
uniform lighter weight.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

So here is the PSD file: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXclFYdG5oTkFLQ1E

Feel free to Change whatever you want. We use Helvetica Neue Lt STD LT and BD.

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Grrr, sry xD german autocorrection :D

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Von: Cezariusz Marek
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 12:05
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

> Yes it should be Apache NetBeans DIE 9.0 with or without incubation, I will add more later. Thx.

NetBeans DIE, that was hard, lmao.

-- 
CM

RE: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Cezariusz Marek <ce...@comarch.pl>.

> Yes it should be Apache NetBeans DIE 9.0 with or without incubation, I will add more later. Thx.

NetBeans DIE, that was hard, lmao.

-- 
CM

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Because flat or material design is now a modern concept. If you like, I can provide the PSD file and you can add smth to the Background if you want. Atm I couldn’t find a good, modern looking Background pattern, accept from triangles, which Comes from a github repo, which I can’t found it anymore.

It is only a suggestion to not clutter stuff with stuff which is not needed anymore. Times goes by and design is changing fast so move on to it.

Yes it should be Apache NetBeans DIE 9.0 with or without incubation, I will add more later. Thx.

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Von: Tushar Joshi
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:55
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>

Shouldn't it be "Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 (incubating)"?
Is there any rationale behind the flat look and no visual in background
like we used to have for all earlier splash screens?  I wuld like to know
that also.

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Tushar Joshi <tu...@gmail.com>.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>

Shouldn't it be "Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 (incubating)"?
Is there any rationale behind the flat look and no visual in background
like we used to have for all earlier splash screens?  I wuld like to know
that also.

AW: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Good Point emi. Do you mean the splash Screen in General? If yes, than it is needed of loading time. To see smth is better to see nothing. If not, than you mean only the style?

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Von: Emilian Bold
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 09:07
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

I don't like these spartan splash screens.

Also never understood why we need to have that wall of text at the
bottom in the splash screen. Plenty of other places to add legalese.

Until we figure everything else out from an Apache branding
perspective, I would stay away from using the Apache Feather.

--emi

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Martin Dindoffer <md...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One way to go for this may be something like Adobe CS6 splashes (Photoshop,
> Illustrator...) - http://techinch.com/blog/adobe-cs6-splash-screens
>
> They combine the flat, boxed and high contrast approach as posted by
> Christian with some creative embellishments. I would totally dig a large
> one-color feather in the corner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Dindoffer
>
> 2017-06-29 21:30 GMT+02:00 Martin Dindoffer <md...@gmail.com>:
>
>> One way to go for this may be something like Adobe CS6 splashes
>> (Photoshop, Illustrator...) - http://techinch.com/blog/adobe
>> -cs6-splash-screens
>>
>> They combine the flat, boxed and high contrast approach as posted by
>> Christian with some creative embellishments. I would totally dig a large
>> one-color feather in the corner.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Martin Dindoffer
>>
>>

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>.

I don't like these spartan splash screens.

Also never understood why we need to have that wall of text at the
bottom in the splash screen. Plenty of other places to add legalese.

Until we figure everything else out from an Apache branding
perspective, I would stay away from using the Apache Feather.

--emi


On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Martin Dindoffer <md...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One way to go for this may be something like Adobe CS6 splashes (Photoshop,
> Illustrator...) - http://techinch.com/blog/adobe-cs6-splash-screens
>
> They combine the flat, boxed and high contrast approach as posted by
> Christian with some creative embellishments. I would totally dig a large
> one-color feather in the corner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Dindoffer
>
> 2017-06-29 21:30 GMT+02:00 Martin Dindoffer <md...@gmail.com>:
>
>> One way to go for this may be something like Adobe CS6 splashes
>> (Photoshop, Illustrator...) - http://techinch.com/blog/adobe
>> -cs6-splash-screens
>>
>> They combine the flat, boxed and high contrast approach as posted by
>> Christian with some creative embellishments. I would totally dig a large
>> one-color feather in the corner.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Martin Dindoffer
>>
>>

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Martin Dindoffer <md...@gmail.com>.

One way to go for this may be something like Adobe CS6 splashes (Photoshop,
Illustrator...) - http://techinch.com/blog/adobe-cs6-splash-screens

They combine the flat, boxed and high contrast approach as posted by
Christian with some creative embellishments. I would totally dig a large
one-color feather in the corner.

Regards,

Martin Dindoffer

2017-06-29 21:30 GMT+02:00 Martin Dindoffer <md...@gmail.com>:

> One way to go for this may be something like Adobe CS6 splashes
> (Photoshop, Illustrator...) - http://techinch.com/blog/adobe
> -cs6-splash-screens
>
> They combine the flat, boxed and high contrast approach as posted by
> Christian with some creative embellishments. I would totally dig a large
> one-color feather in the corner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Dindoffer
>
>

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Javier Ortiz <ja...@gmail.com>.

Agreed, need to turn it around and completely head in another direction.

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Chuck Davis <cj...@gmail.com>.

+1

So-called "flat" or "material" design is so last century -- right out of
the 80's.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com> wrote:

> On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> > Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
> Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
> inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
> are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
> it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Dmitry Avtonomov <dm...@gmail.com>.

@Gail: the font is Maven Pro, available for free from fonts.google.com.
"IDE" is just in bold.
The background was a tribute to the cube logo of netbeans ;)

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Gail Anderson <ga...@asgteach.com>
wrote:

> I like the font example here:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5A3BtFY2Bv2NU1qLVJDbFhYZ00/view <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5A3BtFY2Bv2NU1qLVJDbFhYZ00/view>
>
> But not the background.
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Cezariusz, we can change whatever we want. I don’t know where the
> phrase NetBeans comes from with the capital N and capital B. If possible we
> can have smth like netbeans DIE or Netbeans DIE, like the one that Dmitry
> showed us.
> >
> > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >
> > Von: Cezariusz Marek
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 15:17
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: RE: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >
> > I agree, but without bold on Net and possibly without the capital "B".
> >
> > --
> > Cezariusz Marek
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ryan Cuprak [mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >
> >
> > I vote for the v1 Kopie 3...
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> >> On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> >> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> >> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> >> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
> >>
> >>
> >> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Von: Christian Lenz
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> >> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >>
> >> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion.
> Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not
> really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that
> you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether
> it is outdated or not.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >>
> >> Von: Anton Epple
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> >> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter
> of taste:
> >>
> >> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying
> with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated
> (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the
> application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer
> did a good job.
> >>
> >> --Toni
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
> >>
> >>   Hey Glenn,
> >>
> >>   it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says
> it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not
> with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and
> material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not
> contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that
> case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page
> it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too.
> And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a
> proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if
> they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we
> should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
> >>
> >>   Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >>
> >>   Von: Glenn Holmer
> >>   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
> >>   An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>   Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >>
> >>   On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> >>> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> >>> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
> >>   Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
> >>   inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because
> designers
> >>   are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
> >>   it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
> >>
> >>   --
> >>   Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> >>   "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Gail Anderson <ga...@asgteach.com>.

I like the font example here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5A3BtFY2Bv2NU1qLVJDbFhYZ00/view <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5A3BtFY2Bv2NU1qLVJDbFhYZ00/view>

But not the background. 


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> Hey Cezariusz, we can change whatever we want. I don’t know where the phrase NetBeans comes from with the capital N and capital B. If possible we can have smth like netbeans DIE or Netbeans DIE, like the one that Dmitry showed us.
> 
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
> Von: Cezariusz Marek
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 15:17
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: RE: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> I agree, but without bold on Net and possibly without the capital "B".
> 
> -- 
> Cezariusz Marek
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Cuprak [mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> 
> I vote for the v1 Kopie 3...
> 
> -Ryan
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
>> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
>> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
>> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
>> 
>> 
>> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> Von: Christian Lenz
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>> 
>> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>> 
>> Von: Anton Epple
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:
>> 
>> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
>> 
>> --Toni
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
>> 
>>   Hey Glenn,
>> 
>>   it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
>> 
>>   Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>> 
>>   Von: Glenn Holmer
>>   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
>>   An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>   Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>> 
>>   On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
>>> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>>> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>>   Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
>>   inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
>>   are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
>>   it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
>> 
>>   -- 
>>   Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>>   "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
>

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Hey Cezariusz, we can change whatever we want. I don’t know where the phrase NetBeans comes from with the capital N and capital B. If possible we can have smth like netbeans DIE or Netbeans DIE, like the one that Dmitry showed us.

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

Von: Cezariusz Marek
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 15:17
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

I agree, but without bold on Net and possibly without the capital "B".

-- 
Cezariusz Marek


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Cuprak [mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0


 I vote for the v1 Kopie 3...

 -Ryan

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
> 
> 
> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Christian Lenz
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris
> 
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
> Von: Anton Epple
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> +1
> 
> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:
> 
> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
> 
> --Toni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
> 
>    Hey Glenn,
> 
>    it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
> 
>    Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
>    Von: Glenn Holmer
>    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
>    An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>    Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
>    On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
>> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>    Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
>    inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
>    are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
>    it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
> 
>    -- 
>    Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>    "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by David Heffelfinger <dh...@gmail.com>.

I like that one too, second getting rid of the bold font, but not the
capital "B".

NetBeans has always been capitalized like that.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Cezariusz Marek <cezariusz.marek@comarch.pl
> wrote:

> I agree, but without bold on Net and possibly without the capital "B".
>
> --
> Cezariusz Marek
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Cuprak [mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
>
>  I vote for the v1 Kopie 3...
>
>  -Ryan
>
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> > http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> > http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> > https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
> >
> >
> > and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Christian Lenz
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >
> > Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of
> Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really
> outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see,
> hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is
> outdated or not.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >
> > Von: Anton Epple
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter
> of taste:
> >
> > Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with
> the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it
> already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept
> up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
> >
> > --Toni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
> >
> >    Hey Glenn,
> >
> >    it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says
> it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not
> with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and
> material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not
> contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that
> case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page
> it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too.
> And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a
> proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if
> they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we
> should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
> >
> >    Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >
> >    Von: Glenn Holmer
> >    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
> >    An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >    Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> >
> >    On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> >> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> >> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
> >    Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
> >    inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because
> designers
> >    are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
> >    it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
> >
> >    --
> >    Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> >    "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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RE: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Cezariusz Marek <ce...@comarch.pl>.

I agree, but without bold on Net and possibly without the capital "B".

-- 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Cuprak [mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0


 I vote for the v1 Kopie 3...

 -Ryan

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
> 
> 
> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Christian Lenz
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris
> 
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
> Von: Anton Epple
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> +1
> 
> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:
> 
> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
> 
> --Toni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
> 
>    Hey Glenn,
> 
>    it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
> 
>    Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
>    Von: Glenn Holmer
>    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
>    An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>    Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
>    On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
>> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>    Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
>    inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
>    are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
>    it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
> 
>    -- 
>    Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>    "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Ryan Cuprak <rc...@gmail.com>.

 I vote for the v1 Kopie 3...

 -Ryan

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
> 
> 
> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Christian Lenz
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris
> 
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
> Von: Anton Epple
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
> +1
> 
> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:
> 
> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
> 
> --Toni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
> 
>    Hey Glenn,
> 
>    it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
> 
>    Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> 
>    Von: Glenn Holmer
>    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
>    An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>    Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
> 
>    On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
>> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>    Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
>    inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
>    are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
>    it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
> 
>    -- 
>    Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>    "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Yeah I like the splash Screens from Adobe too. I don’t like the NB splash Screens, my personal Thing. Thats why I try to bring a new one in.

Yeah the idea was to create a ticket for a contest, but I don’t know the rules. We can create a ticket and add all ideads to it.

I would prefer a splash Screen without the logo, because if we will have a logo rebrand too, it will be much better to have it not in there, the red-lined circle doesn’t look nice, it Looks more as a hack than wanted, because of the cutted White edges. This is very weird. Maybe we will have splash Screens without the text. So we will see.


Regards

Chris

Von: Emilian Bold
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 14:57
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

The splash screens Martin linked at
http://techinch.com/blog/adobe-cs6-splash-screens are very nice.

The main site is a bit old, but we always had nice modern looking
splash screens. Take a look here: http://imgur.com/a/HatRH

I particularly like 7.0 http://imgur.com/ZVH8RB7 and 6.5
http://imgur.com/ZKajQPp

I like Material design but not the splash screens submitted so far.
The v1 Kopie 3 wave is nice but I don't like the palette.

If we are serious about getting a new splash screen, we should start a
contest and promote the idea more. I bet there are a lot of designers
that would want to have such a feat in their portfolio.

We could also spend some donated money and submit a proposal to one of
the many design crowd-sourcing sites for more splash screens.


--emi


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
>
>
> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Christian Lenz
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Anton Epple
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
> +1
>
> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:
>
> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
>
> --Toni
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
>
>     Hey Glenn,
>
>     it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
>
>     Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
>     Von: Glenn Holmer
>     Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
>     An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>     Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
>     On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
>     > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>     > Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>     Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
>     inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
>     are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
>     it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
>
>     --
>     Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>     "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>.

The splash screens Martin linked at
http://techinch.com/blog/adobe-cs6-splash-screens are very nice.

The main site is a bit old, but we always had nice modern looking
splash screens. Take a look here: http://imgur.com/a/HatRH

I particularly like 7.0 http://imgur.com/ZVH8RB7 and 6.5
http://imgur.com/ZKajQPp

I like Material design but not the splash screens submitted so far.
The v1 Kopie 3 wave is nice but I don't like the palette.

If we are serious about getting a new splash screen, we should start a
contest and promote the idea more. I bet there are a lot of designers
that would want to have such a feat in their portfolio.

We could also spend some donated money and submit a proposal to one of
the many design crowd-sourcing sites for more splash screens.


--emi


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
> http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
> http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
> https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/
>
>
> and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Christian Lenz
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
> Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Anton Epple
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
> +1
>
> I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:
>
> Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.
>
> --Toni
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:
>
>     Hey Glenn,
>
>     it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.
>
>     Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
>     Von: Glenn Holmer
>     Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
>     An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>     Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
>
>     On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
>     > Sure, I forgot it, sry.
>     > Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
>     Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
>     inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
>     are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
>     it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
>
>     --
>     Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>     "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
>
>
>
>

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

I played a bit more with some Random Background pattern Generators:
http://btmills.github.io/geopattern/
http://dragdropsite.github.io/waterpipe.js/
https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/free-background-generators/

and here is the result. I like the v1 Kopie 3 and v2 Kopie 4 wave: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXMVhkQjVIVmV5dGc

Regards

Chris

Von: Christian Lenz
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:40
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Thx Toni, I couldn’t say it better. I’m definitely with your opinion. Of Course if you dive into the page you will see that NetBeans is not really outdated but the first view (First view matters) is the one, that you see, hm it Looks old, so outdated? And than you have to search whether it is outdated or not.

Regards

Chris

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Von: Anton Epple
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:

Windows, Android, iOS, etc. all have adopted material/flat. Staying with the old look automatically means that NetBeans will look outdated (which it already does). A makeover carries the message that the application is kept up to date. I’m all for it, and I think the designer did a good job.

--Toni

Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:

Hey Glenn,

it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.

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Von: Glenn Holmer
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
it's OK to use a nice-looking image.

--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Regards

Chris

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Von: Anton Epple
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 13:24
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:

--Toni

Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:

Hey Glenn,

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Von: Glenn Holmer
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Anton Epple <to...@eppleton.de>.

I personally like material and flat design, but it’s not just a matter of taste:

--Toni

Am 30.06.17, 12:33 schrieb "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net>:

Hey Glenn,

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Von: Glenn Holmer
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

AW: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Hey Glenn,

it is not that I want to Switch the design because the designer says it, it is becausee I like it. I like the new flat, modern stuff. It is not with much stuff blurred which is not needed. Of Course before flat and material I liked the web 2.0 design, it was fancy, nice but now, it is not contemporary anymore, maybe in 10 years again? I think it happens in that case how you do stuff. And if you have to look at the netbeans.org page it is old, it is Standing still in the 90s sry but it is so. The logo too. And the splashscreen could be better too. The flat stuff was only a proposal for me, because i like flat, sure I can live with a Background, if they Looks nice, but the current splash Screen are not my favorites so we should come up with smth new. Other Colors, other Fonts, etc.

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Von: Glenn Holmer
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 19:41
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
it's OK to use a nice-looking image.

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@googlemail.com>.

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:41 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com> wrote:

> it's OK to use a nice-looking image.
>

Yes!  Given Sven's comment about the Apache feather, which as far as I
recall we don't *have* to use, I was wondering about background images of
feathers, changing each release?  Something like this (public domain) might
work?

https://pixabay.com/en/feather-water-water-drop-abstract-406761/

Best wishes,

Neil

-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com>.

On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> Sure, I forgot it, sry.
> Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM
Hate 'em. The NetBeans splash images have always been artful and
inventive. Don't go with the "modern" "flat" look just because designers
are telling us it's fashionable. We aren't using 4.77MHz PCs any more,
it's OK to use a nice-looking image.

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.

Sure, I forgot it, sry.
Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5EDo2BFcCwXRndEZzlYTTNWWGM

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Von: ehsavoie
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 11:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

You can't attach files to a mail sent to an apache mailing list :(
Could you provide a link instead ?
Cheers
Emmanuel

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http://www.ehsavoie.com
http://twitter.com/ehsavoie

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> my Designer, who is working with me on part of the new NetBeans page and
> on the new logo, as you can remember, gave me some suggestions, build on my
> proposal for a new NetBeans SplashScreen. See the attachment for this.
>
>
>
> What will be the next progress to bring it on, to the new NetBeans 9.0
> Release? I think it is time for a rebranding and modern UI concept for
> NetBeans, the Logo and the Page under Apache and with the new major release
> of NB 9.0. Should I create a ticket for this? Because I can remember that
> Bertrand Delacretaz suggested it via a ticket or so.
>
>
>
> I know that this is not so the highest priority for this but it shouldn’t
> be so low, because it is a part of the whole DIE and we should Focus on it
> too, before the NB 9.0 release, if we will handle it there, which makes
> sense.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Chris
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com>.

You can't attach files to a mail sent to an apache mailing list :(
Could you provide a link instead ?
Cheers
Emmanuel

----------
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http://www.ehsavoie.com
http://twitter.com/ehsavoie

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> my Designer, who is working with me on part of the new NetBeans page and
> on the new logo, as you can remember, gave me some suggestions, build on my
> proposal for a new NetBeans SplashScreen. See the attachment for this.
>
>
>
> What will be the next progress to bring it on, to the new NetBeans 9.0
> Release? I think it is time for a rebranding and modern UI concept for
> NetBeans, the Logo and the Page under Apache and with the new major release
> of NB 9.0. Should I create a ticket for this? Because I can remember that
> Bertrand Delacretaz suggested it via a ticket or so.
>
>
>
> I know that this is not so the highest priority for this but it shouldn’t
> be so low, because it is a part of the whole DIE and we should Focus on it
> too, before the NB 9.0 release, if we will handle it there, which makes
> sense.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Chris
>

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Posted by Santo Pfingsten <sa...@lusito.info>.

Hello everyone,

I thought I'd give this a shot using material/flat style:
http://lusito.info/anb/nb9splash.png

I made a featherless version as well (I think the feather is a nice 
addition tho, even if it's not required):
http://lusito.info/anb/nb9splash2.png

I used the logo proposal from this page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

Since there is only a png version with a white background, it doesn't 
look as crisp as it could be.. insert imagination here.

Kind regards
Santo