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[DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Greetings folks:
Please consider the following proposal, which is also on the wiki[1].
I look forward to hearing feedback.
TubeMQ
=Abstract=
TubeMQ is a distributed messaging queue (MQ) system developed by
Tencent Big Data since 2013. It focuses on high-performance storage
and transmission of massive data in big data scenarios.After nearly
seven years of massive data precipitation, TubeMQ has certain
advantages in production practice (stability + performance) and low
cost compared to many open source MQ projects.
=Proposal=
TubeMQ is suitable for high concurrency, massive data and tolerates a
small amount of data loss scenarios under abnormal conditions, such as
massive log collection, indicator statistics and monitoring, etc.
TubeMQ does not support highly reliable data transmission services
yet. It could be on a future project roadmap, as many other MQs. but
not today.
=Rationale=
Just like other message queue systems, TubeMQ is built on the
publish-subscribe pattern, aka pub-sub.
In this pattern, producers publish messages to topics while consumers
subscribe to those topics. After incoming messages get proceeded,
consumers send an acknowledgement back to producer. Once a
subscription has been created, all messages will be tracked and
retained by TubeMQ, even if the consumer go offline for some reasons.
Retained messages will be discarded only when a consumer acknowledges
that they've been successfully processed.
Portal is responsible for interact with user and admin system which
include two parts: API and web portal.
Master is controller of the cluster, which include one or multiple
master node(s) which is responsible for managing state of cluster,
resource scheduling, authentication check and maintaining of metadata.
As a reliable system, TubeMQ provides HA solution for master node.
Broker is responsible for data store which include a cluster of broker
nodes. Every broker node is managing a set of topics, include: append,
delete, update, query of topic information. In TubeMQ, these brokers
can be horizontal scaled and can be very large size for massive data
case.
Client is responsible for producing and consuming messages. When a
pub-sub topic get setup, we can support two ways (push and pull) for
delivering message from producers to consumers.
Zookeeper is for storing offset of messages which is used to recover
topic during some components get failed.
=Initial Goals=
The initial goal will be to move the current codebase in github’s
repository under Tencent account to Apache and integrate with the
Apache development process and infrastructure.
A primary goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the TubeMQ
community. We are well aware that the project community is largely
comprised of individuals from a single company. We aim to change that
during incubation.
=Current Status=
As previously mentioned, TubeMQ is under active development at
Tencent, and is being used in processing large volumes of data for
most services and products.
=Meritocracy=
We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an
open community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to
contribute and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage
and monitor participation and make sure to extend privileges and
responsibilities to all contributors.
=Community=
TubeMQ is currently being used by developers at Tencent and a growing
number of users are actively using it in production environments.
TubeMQ has received contributions from developers working outside of
Tencent since it was open sourced on github in September 2019 By
bringing TubeMQ to Apache we aim to assure current and future
contributors that the TubeMQ community is neutral, meritocratic, and
open, in order to broaden and diversity the user and developer
community.
=Core Developers=
TubeMQ was initially developed at Tencent and is under active
development. We believe Tencent will be of interest to a broad range
of users and developers and that incubating the project at the ASF
will help us build a diverse, sustainable community.
=Alignment=
TubeMQ utilizes other Apache projects such as Hadoop, HBase and
Zookeeper. We anticipate integration with additional Apache projects
as the TubeMQ community and interest in the project grows.
=Known Risks=
==Orphaned Products==
Tencent is committed to the future development of TubeMQ and
understands that graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the
only positive outcome of incubation.
Should the TubeMQ project be accepted by the Incubator, the
prospective PPMC would be willing to agree to a target incubation
period of 2 years or less, knowing that every Incubator project incurs
a certain cost in terms of ASF infrastructure and volunteer time.
==Inexperience with Open Source==
Three of the initial committers are Apache Members and Incubator PMC
Members. This will help acclimate the community members to working in
the Apache Way.
==Homogenous Developers==
The majority of the committers work at Tencent, though we are
committed to recruiting and developing additional committers from a
wide spectrum of industries and backgrounds. Since being open sourced,
many contributors that are outside of Tencent have engaged and begun
contributing to the project.
==Reliance on Salaried Developers==
It is expected that Tencent development will occur on both salaried
time and on volunteer time, after hours. Most of the initial
committers are paid by Tencent to contribute to this project. However,
they are all passionate about the project, and we are both confident
and hopeful that the project will continue even if no salaried
developers contribute to the project.
==Relationships with Other Apache Products==
As mentioned in the Rationale section, TubeMQ utilizes a number of
existing Apache projects (Avro, Zookeeper, etc.), and we expect that
list to expand as the community grows and diversifies. Any Apache
project in the big data space that needs to process data in streaming
way would be potentially relevant, such as Flink, Spark Streaming,
etc. To provide convenient access to event streams served by TubeMQ,
we plan to open source connectors to different stream computation
engines. With these connectors, Spark and Flink can read and write
data directly from/to topics served by TubeM.
==An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand==
We are applying to the Incubator process because we think it is the
next logical step for the TubeMQ project after open-sourcing the code.
This proposal is not for the purpose of generating publicity. Rather,
we want to make sure to create a very inclusive and meritocratic
community, outside the umbrella of a single company. Tencent has a
long history of contributing to Apache projects and the TubeMQ
developers and contributors understand the implication of making it an
Apache project.
=Required Resources=
Mailing lists
dev@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
commits@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
private@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
The podling may also create a user mailing list, if needed.
Source Control(gitbox) and Issue Tracking(Github issues)
=Current Resources=
Initial source: github.com/Tencent/TubeMQ
Initial documentation
=Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan=
The TubeMQ source code in Github is currently licensed under Apache
License v2.0 and the copyright is assigned to Tencent. If TubeMQ
becomes an Incubator project at the ASF, Tencent will transfer the
source code and trademark ownership to the Apache Software Foundation
via a Software Grant Agreement.
=External Dependencies=
==External dependencies licensed under Apache License 2.0==
citrus r3.1.4 https://github.com/webx/citrus
commons-cli 1.2 https://github.com/apache/commons-cli
commons-codec 1.10
https://github.com/apache/commons-codec
commons-lang 2.6 https://github.com/apache/commons-lang
commons-io 2.1 https://github.com/apache/commons-io
easymock 2.5.2 https://github.com/easymock/easymock
fastjson 1.2.60 https://github.com/alibaba/fastjson
guava 13.0 https://github.com/google/guava
hbase 0.94.27
https://github.com/apache/hbase
ini4j 0.5.1
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ini4j
mina apache-2.0.12-src https://github.com/apache/mina
netty 3.8.0.Final
https://github.com/netty/netty
openmct v0.9.0
https://gitee.com/ford25v6/openmct
powermock 1.6.5
https://github.com/powermock/powermock
velocity 1.7
https://github.com/apache/velocity-engine
velocity-tools 2.0
https://github.com/apache/velocity-tools
zookeeper 3.4.3 https://github.com/apache/zookeeper
Apache Avro 1.7.6
https://github.com/apache/avro
jetty 6.1.26
http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/mortbay/jetty
Berkeley DB Java Edition 7.3.7
http://download.oracle.com/otn/berkeley-db
spring-core 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
spring-context 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
spring-jdbc 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
spring-orm 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
servlet-api 2.5
http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/mortbay/jetty/servlet-api
jackson-mapper-asl 1.9.13
http://www.java2s.com/Code/JarDownload/jackson-mapper
Metamorphosis metamorphosis-all-1.4.4
https://github.com/killme2008/Metamorphosis
==External dependencies licensed under the MIT License==
datatables 1.10.7 https://github.com/DataTables/DataTables
JustWriting 1.0.0 https://github.com/GingJan/JustWriting
jquery 1.11.3 https://github.com/jquery/jquery
slf4j 1.6.2 https://github.com/qos-ch/slf4j
mockito 2.0.2-beta https://github.com/mockito/mockito
==External dependencies licensed under the New BSD License==
protobuf 2.5.0 https://github.com/google/protobuf
==External dependencies licensed under the Eclipse Public License 1.0==
junit 4.11
https://github.com/junit-team/junit4
==Cryptography==
Not applicable.
=Initial Committers=
Goson Zhang
Guangxu Cheng gxcheng@apache.org
Jerry Shao jshao@apache.org
Jie Jiang
Junjie Chen
Junping Du junping_du@apache.org
Kayne Wu
Lamber Liu
Osgoo Li
Peng Chen
Sijie Guo
Xiang Li xiangli@apache.org
Yiheng Wang
Yuhong Liu
Zak Wu
Zili Chen tison@apache.org
=Sponsors=
Champion and mentor: David Nalley ke4qqq@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
Mentors: Junping Du junpingdu@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
Justin Mclain jmclean@apache.org (ASF Member, VP of Incubator)
Sijie Guo sijie@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
Zhijie Shen zjshen@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
=Sponsoring Entity=
The Apache Incubator
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/TubeMQ+Proposal
- Side note that the wiki page has an informative graphic, which is
not present in this email.
--David
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com>.
เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 8:41 AM "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> เขียนว่า
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Very interesting proposal.
> >
> > How do you compare with Apache Kafka or Pulsar ?
> > It sounds to address the same use cases, right ?
> >
> > I would be interested to be mentor on the proposal if you are looking
> > for an additional one.
> >
>
> Thanks for offering. We'll happily take you up on the offer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --David
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com>.
เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 12:06 PM "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <jb...@nanthrax.net>
เขียนว่า
> Thanks David !
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 30/10/2019 02:40, David Nalley wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Very interesting proposal.
>>>
>>> How do you compare with Apache Kafka or Pulsar ?
>>> It sounds to address the same use cases, right ?
>>>
>>> I would be interested to be mentor on the proposal if you are looking
>>> for an additional one.
>>>
>>> Thanks for offering. We'll happily take you up on the offer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --David
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Thanks David !
Regards
JB
On 30/10/2019 02:40, David Nalley wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Very interesting proposal.
>>
>> How do you compare with Apache Kafka or Pulsar ?
>> It sounds to address the same use cases, right ?
>>
>> I would be interested to be mentor on the proposal if you are looking
>> for an additional one.
>>
> Thanks for offering. We'll happily take you up on the offer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --David
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Very interesting proposal.
>
> How do you compare with Apache Kafka or Pulsar ?
> It sounds to address the same use cases, right ?
>
> I would be interested to be mentor on the proposal if you are looking
> for an additional one.
>
Thanks for offering. We'll happily take you up on the offer.
Thanks,
--David
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi David,
Very interesting proposal.
How do you compare with Apache Kafka or Pulsar ?
It sounds to address the same use cases, right ?
I would be interested to be mentor on the proposal if you are looking
for an additional one.
Regards
JB
On 21/10/2019 11:54, David Nalley wrote:
> Greetings folks:
>
> Please consider the following proposal, which is also on the wiki[1].
> I look forward to hearing feedback.
>
> TubeMQ
>
> =Abstract=
>
> TubeMQ is a distributed messaging queue (MQ) system developed by
> Tencent Big Data since 2013. It focuses on high-performance storage
> and transmission of massive data in big data scenarios.After nearly
> seven years of massive data precipitation, TubeMQ has certain
> advantages in production practice (stability + performance) and low
> cost compared to many open source MQ projects.
>
> =Proposal=
>
> TubeMQ is suitable for high concurrency, massive data and tolerates a
> small amount of data loss scenarios under abnormal conditions, such as
> massive log collection, indicator statistics and monitoring, etc.
> TubeMQ does not support highly reliable data transmission services
> yet. It could be on a future project roadmap, as many other MQs. but
> not today.
>
> =Rationale=
>
> Just like other message queue systems, TubeMQ is built on the
> publish-subscribe pattern, aka pub-sub.
> In this pattern, producers publish messages to topics while consumers
> subscribe to those topics. After incoming messages get proceeded,
> consumers send an acknowledgement back to producer. Once a
> subscription has been created, all messages will be tracked and
> retained by TubeMQ, even if the consumer go offline for some reasons.
> Retained messages will be discarded only when a consumer acknowledges
> that they've been successfully processed.
>
> Portal is responsible for interact with user and admin system which
> include two parts: API and web portal.
>
> Master is controller of the cluster, which include one or multiple
> master node(s) which is responsible for managing state of cluster,
> resource scheduling, authentication check and maintaining of metadata.
> As a reliable system, TubeMQ provides HA solution for master node.
>
> Broker is responsible for data store which include a cluster of broker
> nodes. Every broker node is managing a set of topics, include: append,
> delete, update, query of topic information. In TubeMQ, these brokers
> can be horizontal scaled and can be very large size for massive data
> case.
>
> Client is responsible for producing and consuming messages. When a
> pub-sub topic get setup, we can support two ways (push and pull) for
> delivering message from producers to consumers.
>
> Zookeeper is for storing offset of messages which is used to recover
> topic during some components get failed.
>
>
> =Initial Goals=
>
> The initial goal will be to move the current codebase in github’s
> repository under Tencent account to Apache and integrate with the
> Apache development process and infrastructure.
> A primary goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the TubeMQ
> community. We are well aware that the project community is largely
> comprised of individuals from a single company. We aim to change that
> during incubation.
>
> =Current Status=
>
> As previously mentioned, TubeMQ is under active development at
> Tencent, and is being used in processing large volumes of data for
> most services and products.
>
> =Meritocracy=
>
> We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an
> open community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to
> contribute and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage
> and monitor participation and make sure to extend privileges and
> responsibilities to all contributors.
>
> =Community=
>
> TubeMQ is currently being used by developers at Tencent and a growing
> number of users are actively using it in production environments.
> TubeMQ has received contributions from developers working outside of
> Tencent since it was open sourced on github in September 2019 By
> bringing TubeMQ to Apache we aim to assure current and future
> contributors that the TubeMQ community is neutral, meritocratic, and
> open, in order to broaden and diversity the user and developer
> community.
>
> =Core Developers=
>
> TubeMQ was initially developed at Tencent and is under active
> development. We believe Tencent will be of interest to a broad range
> of users and developers and that incubating the project at the ASF
> will help us build a diverse, sustainable community.
>
> =Alignment=
>
> TubeMQ utilizes other Apache projects such as Hadoop, HBase and
> Zookeeper. We anticipate integration with additional Apache projects
> as the TubeMQ community and interest in the project grows.
>
> =Known Risks=
>
> ==Orphaned Products==
>
> Tencent is committed to the future development of TubeMQ and
> understands that graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the
> only positive outcome of incubation.
>
> Should the TubeMQ project be accepted by the Incubator, the
> prospective PPMC would be willing to agree to a target incubation
> period of 2 years or less, knowing that every Incubator project incurs
> a certain cost in terms of ASF infrastructure and volunteer time.
>
> ==Inexperience with Open Source==
>
> Three of the initial committers are Apache Members and Incubator PMC
> Members. This will help acclimate the community members to working in
> the Apache Way.
>
> ==Homogenous Developers==
>
> The majority of the committers work at Tencent, though we are
> committed to recruiting and developing additional committers from a
> wide spectrum of industries and backgrounds. Since being open sourced,
> many contributors that are outside of Tencent have engaged and begun
> contributing to the project.
>
> ==Reliance on Salaried Developers==
>
> It is expected that Tencent development will occur on both salaried
> time and on volunteer time, after hours. Most of the initial
> committers are paid by Tencent to contribute to this project. However,
> they are all passionate about the project, and we are both confident
> and hopeful that the project will continue even if no salaried
> developers contribute to the project.
>
> ==Relationships with Other Apache Products==
>
> As mentioned in the Rationale section, TubeMQ utilizes a number of
> existing Apache projects (Avro, Zookeeper, etc.), and we expect that
> list to expand as the community grows and diversifies. Any Apache
> project in the big data space that needs to process data in streaming
> way would be potentially relevant, such as Flink, Spark Streaming,
> etc. To provide convenient access to event streams served by TubeMQ,
> we plan to open source connectors to different stream computation
> engines. With these connectors, Spark and Flink can read and write
> data directly from/to topics served by TubeM.
>
> ==An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand==
>
> We are applying to the Incubator process because we think it is the
> next logical step for the TubeMQ project after open-sourcing the code.
> This proposal is not for the purpose of generating publicity. Rather,
> we want to make sure to create a very inclusive and meritocratic
> community, outside the umbrella of a single company. Tencent has a
> long history of contributing to Apache projects and the TubeMQ
> developers and contributors understand the implication of making it an
> Apache project.
>
> =Required Resources=
>
> Mailing lists
> dev@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
> commits@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
> private@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
> The podling may also create a user mailing list, if needed.
> Source Control(gitbox) and Issue Tracking(Github issues)
>
> =Current Resources=
>
> Initial source: github.com/Tencent/TubeMQ
>
> Initial documentation
>
> =Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan=
>
> The TubeMQ source code in Github is currently licensed under Apache
> License v2.0 and the copyright is assigned to Tencent. If TubeMQ
> becomes an Incubator project at the ASF, Tencent will transfer the
> source code and trademark ownership to the Apache Software Foundation
> via a Software Grant Agreement.
>
> =External Dependencies=
>
> ==External dependencies licensed under Apache License 2.0==
>
> citrus r3.1.4 https://github.com/webx/citrus
> commons-cli 1.2 https://github.com/apache/commons-cli
> commons-codec 1.10
> https://github.com/apache/commons-codec
> commons-lang 2.6 https://github.com/apache/commons-lang
> commons-io 2.1 https://github.com/apache/commons-io
> easymock 2.5.2 https://github.com/easymock/easymock
> fastjson 1.2.60 https://github.com/alibaba/fastjson
> guava 13.0 https://github.com/google/guava
> hbase 0.94.27
> https://github.com/apache/hbase
> ini4j 0.5.1
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ini4j
> mina apache-2.0.12-src https://github.com/apache/mina
> netty 3.8.0.Final
> https://github.com/netty/netty
> openmct v0.9.0
> https://gitee.com/ford25v6/openmct
> powermock 1.6.5
> https://github.com/powermock/powermock
> velocity 1.7
> https://github.com/apache/velocity-engine
> velocity-tools 2.0
> https://github.com/apache/velocity-tools
> zookeeper 3.4.3 https://github.com/apache/zookeeper
> Apache Avro 1.7.6
> https://github.com/apache/avro
> jetty 6.1.26
> http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/mortbay/jetty
> Berkeley DB Java Edition 7.3.7
> http://download.oracle.com/otn/berkeley-db
> spring-core 4.1.6.RELEASE
> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
> spring-context 4.1.6.RELEASE
> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
> spring-jdbc 4.1.6.RELEASE
> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
> spring-orm 4.1.6.RELEASE
> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
> servlet-api 2.5
> http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/mortbay/jetty/servlet-api
> jackson-mapper-asl 1.9.13
> http://www.java2s.com/Code/JarDownload/jackson-mapper
> Metamorphosis metamorphosis-all-1.4.4
> https://github.com/killme2008/Metamorphosis
>
>
> ==External dependencies licensed under the MIT License==
>
> datatables 1.10.7 https://github.com/DataTables/DataTables
> JustWriting 1.0.0 https://github.com/GingJan/JustWriting
> jquery 1.11.3 https://github.com/jquery/jquery
> slf4j 1.6.2 https://github.com/qos-ch/slf4j
> mockito 2.0.2-beta https://github.com/mockito/mockito
>
> ==External dependencies licensed under the New BSD License==
>
> protobuf 2.5.0 https://github.com/google/protobuf
>
> ==External dependencies licensed under the Eclipse Public License 1.0==
>
> junit 4.11
> https://github.com/junit-team/junit4
>
> ==Cryptography==
>
> Not applicable.
>
>
> =Initial Committers=
>
> Goson Zhang
> Guangxu Cheng gxcheng@apache.org
> Jerry Shao jshao@apache.org
> Jie Jiang
> Junjie Chen
> Junping Du junping_du@apache.org
> Kayne Wu
> Lamber Liu
> Osgoo Li
> Peng Chen
> Sijie Guo
> Xiang Li xiangli@apache.org
> Yiheng Wang
> Yuhong Liu
> Zak Wu
> Zili Chen tison@apache.org
>
> =Sponsors=
>
> Champion and mentor: David Nalley ke4qqq@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
> Mentors: Junping Du junpingdu@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
> Justin Mclain jmclean@apache.org (ASF Member, VP of Incubator)
> Sijie Guo sijie@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
> Zhijie Shen zjshen@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
>
> =Sponsoring Entity=
>
> The Apache Incubator
>
>
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/TubeMQ+Proposal
> - Side note that the wiki page has an informative graphic, which is
> not present in this email.
>
> --David
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org>.
Agree. Just like we have different SQL engines in Apache (Hive, Impala,
SparkSQL, Hawq, etc.) - most of them are competitive but have different
design trade-offs and have successful user/developer community. It
shouldn't be a concern for project incubator stage.
Thanks,
Junping
Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午11:07写道：
> Hi
>
> I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue. This
> happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
> We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
> If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption only),
> it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
> not be a block for starting the incubating process.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking
> Apache Incubator
> Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
> Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> > discussion).
> >
> > You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> only
> > one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> ASF
> > members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
> > better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> and
> > is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> >
> > > As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> > Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> culture)
> > we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
> > not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
> > mean).
> >
> > While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> it’s
> > anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
> ASF
> > model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Ted,
yes good point, you are right, let's eventually move this into a
dedicated thread.
Regards
JB
On 22/10/2019 07:20, Ted Dunning wrote:
> JBO,
>
> I agree with your curiosity, but maybe we should take it to another thread.
> Comparison to Kafka or Pulsar or ... doesn't really affect the question of
> incubation.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 5:41 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As soon as we have communities, there's no problem.
>>
>> I think it would just be interesting to have some details about why
>> TubeMQ brings something different compare to existing MQ projects
>> (Kafka, Pulsar, ActiveMQ, etc).
>> The purpose is not to challenge projects each other but have better
>> understanding of TubeMQ.
>>
>> Just my $0.01
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 21/10/2019 17:07, Sheng Wu wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue.
>> This
>>> happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
>>> We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
>>> If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption
>> only),
>>> it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
>>> not be a block for starting the incubating process.
>>>
>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>
>>> Apache SkyWalking
>>> Apache Incubator
>>> Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
>>> Zipkin
>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
>>>> discussion).
>>>>
>>>> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
>> only
>>>> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
>> ASF
>>>> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
>> be
>>>> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
>> and
>>>> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>>>>
>>>>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
>>>> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
>> culture)
>>>> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
>> does
>>>> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what
>> I
>>>> mean).
>>>>
>>>> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
>> it’s
>>>> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
>> ASF
>>>> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
JBO,
I agree with your curiosity, but maybe we should take it to another thread.
Comparison to Kafka or Pulsar or ... doesn't really affect the question of
incubation.
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 5:41 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As soon as we have communities, there's no problem.
>
> I think it would just be interesting to have some details about why
> TubeMQ brings something different compare to existing MQ projects
> (Kafka, Pulsar, ActiveMQ, etc).
> The purpose is not to challenge projects each other but have better
> understanding of TubeMQ.
>
> Just my $0.01
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 21/10/2019 17:07, Sheng Wu wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue.
> This
> > happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
> > We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
> > If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption
> only),
> > it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
> > not be a block for starting the incubating process.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking
> > Apache Incubator
> > Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
> > Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> >> discussion).
> >>
> >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> only
> >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> ASF
> >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
> be
> >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> and
> >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> >>
> >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> culture)
> >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
> does
> >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what
> I
> >> mean).
> >>
> >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> it’s
> >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
> ASF
> >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Justin
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
>
> --
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> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi,
As soon as we have communities, there's no problem.
I think it would just be interesting to have some details about why
TubeMQ brings something different compare to existing MQ projects
(Kafka, Pulsar, ActiveMQ, etc).
The purpose is not to challenge projects each other but have better
understanding of TubeMQ.
Just my $0.01
Regards
JB
On 21/10/2019 17:07, Sheng Wu wrote:
> Hi
>
> I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue. This
> happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
> We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
> If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption only),
> it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
> not be a block for starting the incubating process.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking
> Apache Incubator
> Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
> Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
>> discussion).
>>
>> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's only
>> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are ASF
>> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
>> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive and
>> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>>
>>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
>> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different culture)
>> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
>> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
>> mean).
>>
>> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe it’s
>> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the ASF
>> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Apache Pulsar is doing well and it is competing with Apache Kafka.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kafka is one of the most well known Apache projects right now; I don’t
> think that’s a fair comparison.
>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:07, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue. This
>> happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
>> We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
>> If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption only),
>> it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
>> not be a block for starting the incubating process.
>>
>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>
>> Apache SkyWalking
>> Apache Incubator
>> Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
>> Zipkin
>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>
>>
>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
>>> discussion).
>>>
>>> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
>> only
>>> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
>> ASF
>>> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
>>> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
>> and
>>> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>>>
>>>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
>>> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
>> culture)
>>> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
>>> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
>>> mean).
>>>
>>> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
>> it’s
>>> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
>> ASF
>>> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
Kafka is one of the most well known Apache projects right now; I don’t
think that’s a fair comparison.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:07, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue. This
> happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
> We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
> If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption only),
> it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
> not be a block for starting the incubating process.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking
> Apache Incubator
> Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
> Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> > discussion).
> >
> > You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> only
> > one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> ASF
> > members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
> > better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> and
> > is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> >
> > > As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> > Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> culture)
> > we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
> > not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
> > mean).
> >
> > While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> it’s
> > anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
> ASF
> > model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I don't see the competition among different MQ solutions is an issue. This
happens among all OSS projects, inside or outside ASF.
We are using the Apache Way to help the project to build the community.
If(only if) it is not better than Kafka in all fields(an assumption only),
it will/could end with a lack of contributors/committers. But this should
not be a block for starting the incubating process.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Apache SkyWalking
Apache Incubator
Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午5:31写道：
> Hi,
>
> > The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> discussion).
>
> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's only
> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are ASF
> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive and
> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>
> > As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different culture)
> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
> mean).
>
> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe it’s
> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the ASF
> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, you made a very good point. We bring project to Apache Incubator
is for growing the community.
It take some time to let the team learn about the Apache Way. It could
be a growing pain because we need to change the mind set when doing
the project development.
Good luck for your project incubating journey, please let me know if
you need any help from my side.
Regards,
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:36 AM 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Agree. My understanding is that it is magic of Apache incubation that help
> the project to build a diversity community.
> TubeMQ is working towards this direction although just get open sourced
> last month ACNA 2019.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Junping
>
> Tan,Zhongyi <ta...@baidu.com>于2019年10月23日 周三上午8:54写道：
>
> > It is a challenge but it is normal,
> > Many projects start from one company, then expand into community.
> >
> >
> > 在 2019/10/22 下午10:49，“Willem Jiang”<wi...@gmail.com> 写入:
> >
> > I have the same concern as WenMing does.
> > It could be a challenge to build a diversity community for a project
> > which is just open sourced for few month.
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
> > >
> > > I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for
> > incubator
> > > stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
> > >
> > > I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
> > > expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
> > > and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal
> > version and
> > > the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am
> > wrong,
> > > please correct me) .
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ming Wen
> > > Twitter: _WenMing
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
> > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I
> > believe there's
> > > > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
> > proposed
> > > > are
> > > > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general
> > list. It
> > > > might
> > > > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > > > executive
> > > > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
> > > >
> > > > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also
> > involved with
> > > > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly
> > be good
> > > > help as a mentor.
> > > >
> > > > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO
> > has
> > > > offered.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Junping
> > > > >
> > > > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一
> > 下午10:31写道：
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well
> > enough (old
> > > > >> discussion).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe
> > there's
> > > > only
> > > > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
> > proposed are
> > > > ASF
> > > > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list.
> > It might
> > > > be
> > > > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > executive
> > > > and
> > > > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community
> > is mostly
> > > > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a
> > different
> > > > culture)
> > > > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging"
> > (this
> > > > does
> > > > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers
> > understand what
> > > > I
> > > > >> mean).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t
> > believe
> > > > it’s
> > > > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some
> > ways the
> > > > ASF
> > > > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> Justin
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org>.
Agree. My understanding is that it is magic of Apache incubation that help
the project to build a diversity community.
TubeMQ is working towards this direction although just get open sourced
last month ACNA 2019.
Thanks,
Junping
Tan,Zhongyi <ta...@baidu.com>于2019年10月23日 周三上午8:54写道：
> It is a challenge but it is normal,
> Many projects start from one company, then expand into community.
>
>
> 在 2019/10/22 下午10:49，“Willem Jiang”<wi...@gmail.com> 写入:
>
> I have the same concern as WenMing does.
> It could be a challenge to build a diversity community for a project
> which is just open sourced for few month.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
> >
> > I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for
> incubator
> > stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
> >
> > I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
> > expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
> > and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal
> version and
> > the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am
> wrong,
> > please correct me) .
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ming Wen
> > Twitter: _WenMing
> >
> >
> > Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
> >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I
> believe there's
> > > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
> proposed
> > > are
> > > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general
> list. It
> > > might
> > > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > > executive
> > > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
> > >
> > > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also
> involved with
> > > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly
> be good
> > > help as a mentor.
> > >
> > > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO
> has
> > > offered.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Junping
> > > >
> > > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一
> 下午10:31写道：
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well
> enough (old
> > > >> discussion).
> > > >>
> > > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe
> there's
> > > only
> > > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
> proposed are
> > > ASF
> > > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list.
> It might
> > > be
> > > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> executive
> > > and
> > > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > >>
> > > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community
> is mostly
> > > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a
> different
> > > culture)
> > > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging"
> (this
> > > does
> > > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers
> understand what
> > > I
> > > >> mean).
> > > >>
> > > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t
> believe
> > > it’s
> > > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some
> ways the
> > > ASF
> > > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Justin
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by "Tan,Zhongyi" <ta...@baidu.com>.
It is a challenge but it is normal,
Many projects start from one company, then expand into community.
在 2019/10/22 下午10:49，“Willem Jiang”<wi...@gmail.com> 写入:
I have the same concern as WenMing does.
It could be a challenge to build a diversity community for a project
which is just open sourced for few month.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
>
> I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for incubator
> stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
>
> I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
> expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
> and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal version and
> the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am wrong,
> please correct me) .
>
> Thanks,
> Ming Wen
> Twitter: _WenMing
>
>
> Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed
> > are
> > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
> > might
> > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > executive
> > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
> >
> > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved with
> > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be good
> > help as a mentor.
> >
> > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has
> > offered.
> >
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Junping
> > >
> > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> > >> discussion).
> > >>
> > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> > only
> > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> > ASF
> > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
> > be
> > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> > and
> > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > >>
> > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> > culture)
> > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
> > does
> > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what
> > I
> > >> mean).
> > >>
> > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> > it’s
> > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
> > ASF
> > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Justin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
I have the same concern as WenMing does.
It could be a challenge to build a diversity community for a project
which is just open sourced for few month.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
>
> I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for incubator
> stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
>
> I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
> expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
> and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal version and
> the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am wrong,
> please correct me) .
>
> Thanks,
> Ming Wen
> Twitter: _WenMing
>
>
> Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed
> > are
> > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
> > might
> > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > executive
> > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
> >
> > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved with
> > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be good
> > help as a mentor.
> >
> > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has
> > offered.
> >
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Junping
> > >
> > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> > >> discussion).
> > >>
> > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> > only
> > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> > ASF
> > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
> > be
> > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> > and
> > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > >>
> > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> > culture)
> > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
> > does
> > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what
> > I
> > >> mean).
> > >>
> > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> > it’s
> > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
> > ASF
> > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Justin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org>.
Thanks Ming! I have the same hope and let's see how project and community
will be growing with Apache's magic and everyone's making effort!
Thanks,
Junping
Ming Wen <we...@apache.org> 于2019年10月23日周三 下午12:02写道：
> yes, agreed, good luck for your incubating journey,
> and I hope TubeMQ can grow up to a diversity community.
>
> Thanks,
> Ming Wen
> Twitter: _WenMing
>
>
> 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> 于2019年10月23日周三 上午9:52写道：
>
>> As others’ reply, the challenge of building a diversity community do
>> exists
>> and we should sort it out during incubation process but no need to special
>> concern before the incubation (thanks for reminding though).
>> About maintaining version, from my experience, it is simple to keep only
>> one version here just like TubeMQ now when it is possible. However, I also
>> see many other Apache projects that some companies maintain an internal
>> version that take/contribute PR from/to open source version as upstream
>> which also works well. In my understanding, It is just a version
>> management
>> choice - I didn’t see how challenges it will bring during the incubation
>> stage. Please correct me if I am wrong here.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Junping
>>
>> Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com>于2019年10月22日 周二上午11:29写道：
>>
>> > Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
>> >
>> > I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for incubator
>> > stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
>> >
>> > I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
>> > expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
>> > and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal version
>> and
>> > the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am
>> wrong,
>> > please correct me) .
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ming Wen
>> > Twitter: _WenMing
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
>> >
>> > > Hi -
>> > >
>> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe
>> > there's
>> > > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
>> > proposed
>> > > are
>> > > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
>> > > might
>> > > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
>> > > executive
>> > > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>> > > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
>> > >
>> > > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved
>> with
>> > > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be
>> good
>> > > help as a mentor.
>> > >
>> > > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has
>> > > offered.
>> > >
>> > > Best wishes.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Dave
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > > Junping
>> > > >
>> > > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi,
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough
>> > (old
>> > > >> discussion).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe
>> there's
>> > > only
>> > > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed
>> > are
>> > > ASF
>> > > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
>> might
>> > > be
>> > > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
>> > executive
>> > > and
>> > > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is
>> > mostly
>> > > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
>> > > culture)
>> > > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging"
>> (this
>> > > does
>> > > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand
>> > what
>> > > I
>> > > >> mean).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t
>> believe
>> > > it’s
>> > > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways
>> > the
>> > > ASF
>> > > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks,
>> > > >> Justin
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Ming Wen <we...@apache.org>.
yes, agreed, good luck for your incubating journey,
and I hope TubeMQ can grow up to a diversity community.
Thanks,
Ming Wen
Twitter: _WenMing
俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> 于2019年10月23日周三 上午9:52写道：
> As others’ reply, the challenge of building a diversity community do exists
> and we should sort it out during incubation process but no need to special
> concern before the incubation (thanks for reminding though).
> About maintaining version, from my experience, it is simple to keep only
> one version here just like TubeMQ now when it is possible. However, I also
> see many other Apache projects that some companies maintain an internal
> version that take/contribute PR from/to open source version as upstream
> which also works well. In my understanding, It is just a version management
> choice - I didn’t see how challenges it will bring during the incubation
> stage. Please correct me if I am wrong here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Junping
>
> Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com>于2019年10月22日 周二上午11:29写道：
>
> > Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
> >
> > I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for incubator
> > stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
> >
> > I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
> > expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
> > and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal version
> and
> > the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am
> wrong,
> > please correct me) .
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ming Wen
> > Twitter: _WenMing
> >
> >
> > Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
> >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe
> > there's
> > > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
> > proposed
> > > are
> > > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
> > > might
> > > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > > executive
> > > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
> > >
> > > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved
> with
> > > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be
> good
> > > help as a mentor.
> > >
> > > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has
> > > offered.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Junping
> > > >
> > > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough
> > (old
> > > >> discussion).
> > > >>
> > > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe
> there's
> > > only
> > > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed
> > are
> > > ASF
> > > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
> might
> > > be
> > > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > executive
> > > and
> > > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > >>
> > > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is
> > mostly
> > > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> > > culture)
> > > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
> > > does
> > > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand
> > what
> > > I
> > > >> mean).
> > > >>
> > > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t
> believe
> > > it’s
> > > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways
> > the
> > > ASF
> > > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Justin
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
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> > >
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> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org>.
As others’ reply, the challenge of building a diversity community do exists
and we should sort it out during incubation process but no need to special
concern before the incubation (thanks for reminding though).
About maintaining version, from my experience, it is simple to keep only
one version here just like TubeMQ now when it is possible. However, I also
see many other Apache projects that some companies maintain an internal
version that take/contribute PR from/to open source version as upstream
which also works well. In my understanding, It is just a version management
choice - I didn’t see how challenges it will bring during the incubation
stage. Please correct me if I am wrong here.
Thanks,
Junping
Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com>于2019年10月22日 周二上午11:29写道：
> Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
>
> I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for incubator
> stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
>
> I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
> expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
> and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal version and
> the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am wrong,
> please correct me) .
>
> Thanks,
> Ming Wen
> Twitter: _WenMing
>
>
> Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe
> there's
> > > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all
> proposed
> > are
> > > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
> > might
> > > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> > executive
> > > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
> >
> > I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved with
> > DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be good
> > help as a mentor.
> >
> > If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has
> > offered.
> >
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Junping
> > >
> > > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough
> (old
> > >> discussion).
> > >>
> > >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> > only
> > >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed
> are
> > ASF
> > >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
> > be
> > >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> executive
> > and
> > >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > >>
> > >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is
> mostly
> > >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> > culture)
> > >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
> > does
> > >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand
> what
> > I
> > >> mean).
> > >>
> > >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> > it’s
> > >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways
> the
> > ASF
> > >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> > >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Ming Wen <mo...@gmail.com>.
Hi, this is an interesting proposal.
I think the competition among different MQ is not an issue for incubator
stage. Users and developers will have their own choices.
I guess that your challenges during the incubation:
expanding diversity (now committers come from one company),
and dealing with the relationship between the tencent internal version and
the open source version (I guess the two are not consistent, if I am wrong,
please correct me) .
Thanks,
Ming Wen
Twitter: _WenMing
Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> 于2019年10月22日周二 上午10:38写道：
> Hi -
>
> > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> > only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed
> are
> > ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It
> might
> > be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with
> executive
> > and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> > +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
>
> I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved with
> DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be good
> help as a mentor.
>
> If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has
> offered.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Junping
> >
> > Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> >> discussion).
> >>
> >> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> only
> >> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> ASF
> >> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
> be
> >> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> and
> >> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> >>
> >>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> >> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different
> culture)
> >> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this
> does
> >> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what
> I
> >> mean).
> >>
> >> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe
> it’s
> >> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the
> ASF
> >> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Justin
> >>
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:26 PM, 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
> only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
> ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
> be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
> and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> +1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
I’m on the Pulsar PMC with Sijie and know that he was also involved with DistributedLog which graduated into Bookkeeper. He will certainly be good help as a mentor.
If Justin is good with this initial mix. I’m fine. If not then JBO has offered.
Best wishes.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Thanks,
>
> Junping
>
> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
>> discussion).
>>
>> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's only
>> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are ASF
>> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
>> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive and
>> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>>
>>> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
>> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different culture)
>> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
>> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
>> mean).
>>
>> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe it’s
>> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the ASF
>> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org>.
bq. You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's
only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are
ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might
be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive
and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
+1. Justin, do you have candidate to join the mentor team here?
Thanks,
Junping
Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月21日周一 下午10:31写道：
> Hi,
>
> > The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old
> discussion).
>
> You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's only
> one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are ASF
> members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be
> better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive and
> is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
>
> > As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly
> Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different culture)
> we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does
> not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I
> mean).
>
> While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe it’s
> anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the ASF
> model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old discussion).
You might be right about that the project currently I believe there's only one mentor with recent mentoring experience, and while all proposed are ASF members, not all of them are active on the IPMC general list. It might be better for the project to have at least one other mentor with executive and is more active in the IPMC. What do others think?
> As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different culture) we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I mean).
While projects in this group do have some challenges, I don’t believe it’s anymore than other projects from different background. In some ways the ASF model is a good cultural fit - see Sharan’s thesis on that.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] TubeMQ Proposal
Posted by Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>.
Hi David,
thanks for the nice proposal.
I think it was already introduced a bit at the ApacheCon NA so it may already be known a bit to some folks.
The proposal reads quite nice and TubeMQ seems to be a really nice project and has some impressive capabilities and USPs.
Although, those who know me know that I tend to be concerned a lot. The two main concerns I see here are not really related to the project in detail but rather to two general questions.
The first one is if we are able to mentor the project well enough (old discussion). As the project comes from Tencent I assume that the community is mostly Chinese and due to the language barrier (and probably a different culture) we have seen that these projects tend to be "more challenging" (this does not describe it accurate enough but I hope that readers understand what I mean).
Aside from that I have the impressions that Messaging and Pub/Sub is the new "JS Frontend" thing and we get new Projects each week. I am not too deep into the topic (only used Kafka and MQTT) but especially at the last ACNA I got the impression that Pulsar is doing a lot to catch up with Kafka and in our industrial environment MQTT is pretty set.
But overall we have many Messaging solutions in the ASF all with different aspects and USPs yes but overall also with tons of overlap. Which is bad then when it comes to "too much" competition and brain-split.
So maybe for someone deeply involved in the field my concerns sound unreasonable but this is the impression I have. And I don’t know if we already had such a situation but as the foundation is kind of the "bracket" which keeps all projects and PMCs together we should also keep this in mind a bit.
I am interested to hear what others think.
Julian
Am 21.10.19, 11:54 schrieb "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us>:
Greetings folks:
Please consider the following proposal, which is also on the wiki[1].
I look forward to hearing feedback.
TubeMQ
=Abstract=
TubeMQ is a distributed messaging queue (MQ) system developed by
Tencent Big Data since 2013. It focuses on high-performance storage
and transmission of massive data in big data scenarios.After nearly
seven years of massive data precipitation, TubeMQ has certain
advantages in production practice (stability + performance) and low
cost compared to many open source MQ projects.
=Proposal=
TubeMQ is suitable for high concurrency, massive data and tolerates a
small amount of data loss scenarios under abnormal conditions, such as
massive log collection, indicator statistics and monitoring, etc.
TubeMQ does not support highly reliable data transmission services
yet. It could be on a future project roadmap, as many other MQs. but
not today.
=Rationale=
Just like other message queue systems, TubeMQ is built on the
publish-subscribe pattern, aka pub-sub.
In this pattern, producers publish messages to topics while consumers
subscribe to those topics. After incoming messages get proceeded,
consumers send an acknowledgement back to producer. Once a
subscription has been created, all messages will be tracked and
retained by TubeMQ, even if the consumer go offline for some reasons.
Retained messages will be discarded only when a consumer acknowledges
that they've been successfully processed.
Portal is responsible for interact with user and admin system which
include two parts: API and web portal.
Master is controller of the cluster, which include one or multiple
master node(s) which is responsible for managing state of cluster,
resource scheduling, authentication check and maintaining of metadata.
As a reliable system, TubeMQ provides HA solution for master node.
Broker is responsible for data store which include a cluster of broker
nodes. Every broker node is managing a set of topics, include: append,
delete, update, query of topic information. In TubeMQ, these brokers
can be horizontal scaled and can be very large size for massive data
case.
Client is responsible for producing and consuming messages. When a
pub-sub topic get setup, we can support two ways (push and pull) for
delivering message from producers to consumers.
Zookeeper is for storing offset of messages which is used to recover
topic during some components get failed.
=Initial Goals=
The initial goal will be to move the current codebase in github’s
repository under Tencent account to Apache and integrate with the
Apache development process and infrastructure.
A primary goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the TubeMQ
community. We are well aware that the project community is largely
comprised of individuals from a single company. We aim to change that
during incubation.
=Current Status=
As previously mentioned, TubeMQ is under active development at
Tencent, and is being used in processing large volumes of data for
most services and products.
=Meritocracy=
We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an
open community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to
contribute and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage
and monitor participation and make sure to extend privileges and
responsibilities to all contributors.
=Community=
TubeMQ is currently being used by developers at Tencent and a growing
number of users are actively using it in production environments.
TubeMQ has received contributions from developers working outside of
Tencent since it was open sourced on github in September 2019 By
bringing TubeMQ to Apache we aim to assure current and future
contributors that the TubeMQ community is neutral, meritocratic, and
open, in order to broaden and diversity the user and developer
community.
=Core Developers=
TubeMQ was initially developed at Tencent and is under active
development. We believe Tencent will be of interest to a broad range
of users and developers and that incubating the project at the ASF
will help us build a diverse, sustainable community.
=Alignment=
TubeMQ utilizes other Apache projects such as Hadoop, HBase and
Zookeeper. We anticipate integration with additional Apache projects
as the TubeMQ community and interest in the project grows.
=Known Risks=
==Orphaned Products==
Tencent is committed to the future development of TubeMQ and
understands that graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the
only positive outcome of incubation.
Should the TubeMQ project be accepted by the Incubator, the
prospective PPMC would be willing to agree to a target incubation
period of 2 years or less, knowing that every Incubator project incurs
a certain cost in terms of ASF infrastructure and volunteer time.
==Inexperience with Open Source==
Three of the initial committers are Apache Members and Incubator PMC
Members. This will help acclimate the community members to working in
the Apache Way.
==Homogenous Developers==
The majority of the committers work at Tencent, though we are
committed to recruiting and developing additional committers from a
wide spectrum of industries and backgrounds. Since being open sourced,
many contributors that are outside of Tencent have engaged and begun
contributing to the project.
==Reliance on Salaried Developers==
It is expected that Tencent development will occur on both salaried
time and on volunteer time, after hours. Most of the initial
committers are paid by Tencent to contribute to this project. However,
they are all passionate about the project, and we are both confident
and hopeful that the project will continue even if no salaried
developers contribute to the project.
==Relationships with Other Apache Products==
As mentioned in the Rationale section, TubeMQ utilizes a number of
existing Apache projects (Avro, Zookeeper, etc.), and we expect that
list to expand as the community grows and diversifies. Any Apache
project in the big data space that needs to process data in streaming
way would be potentially relevant, such as Flink, Spark Streaming,
etc. To provide convenient access to event streams served by TubeMQ,
we plan to open source connectors to different stream computation
engines. With these connectors, Spark and Flink can read and write
data directly from/to topics served by TubeM.
==An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand==
We are applying to the Incubator process because we think it is the
next logical step for the TubeMQ project after open-sourcing the code.
This proposal is not for the purpose of generating publicity. Rather,
we want to make sure to create a very inclusive and meritocratic
community, outside the umbrella of a single company. Tencent has a
long history of contributing to Apache projects and the TubeMQ
developers and contributors understand the implication of making it an
Apache project.
=Required Resources=
Mailing lists
dev@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
commits@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
private@tubemq.incubator.apache.org
The podling may also create a user mailing list, if needed.
Source Control(gitbox) and Issue Tracking(Github issues)
=Current Resources=
Initial source: github.com/Tencent/TubeMQ
Initial documentation
=Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan=
The TubeMQ source code in Github is currently licensed under Apache
License v2.0 and the copyright is assigned to Tencent. If TubeMQ
becomes an Incubator project at the ASF, Tencent will transfer the
source code and trademark ownership to the Apache Software Foundation
via a Software Grant Agreement.
=External Dependencies=
==External dependencies licensed under Apache License 2.0==
citrus r3.1.4 https://github.com/webx/citrus
commons-cli 1.2 https://github.com/apache/commons-cli
commons-codec 1.10
https://github.com/apache/commons-codec
commons-lang 2.6 https://github.com/apache/commons-lang
commons-io 2.1 https://github.com/apache/commons-io
easymock 2.5.2 https://github.com/easymock/easymock
fastjson 1.2.60 https://github.com/alibaba/fastjson
guava 13.0 https://github.com/google/guava
hbase 0.94.27
https://github.com/apache/hbase
ini4j 0.5.1
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ini4j
mina apache-2.0.12-src https://github.com/apache/mina
netty 3.8.0.Final
https://github.com/netty/netty
openmct v0.9.0
https://gitee.com/ford25v6/openmct
powermock 1.6.5
https://github.com/powermock/powermock
velocity 1.7
https://github.com/apache/velocity-engine
velocity-tools 2.0
https://github.com/apache/velocity-tools
zookeeper 3.4.3 https://github.com/apache/zookeeper
Apache Avro 1.7.6
https://github.com/apache/avro
jetty 6.1.26
http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/mortbay/jetty
Berkeley DB Java Edition 7.3.7
http://download.oracle.com/otn/berkeley-db
spring-core 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
spring-context 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
spring-jdbc 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
spring-orm 4.1.6.RELEASE
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework
servlet-api 2.5
http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/mortbay/jetty/servlet-api
jackson-mapper-asl 1.9.13
http://www.java2s.com/Code/JarDownload/jackson-mapper
Metamorphosis metamorphosis-all-1.4.4
https://github.com/killme2008/Metamorphosis
==External dependencies licensed under the MIT License==
datatables 1.10.7 https://github.com/DataTables/DataTables
JustWriting 1.0.0 https://github.com/GingJan/JustWriting
jquery 1.11.3 https://github.com/jquery/jquery
slf4j 1.6.2 https://github.com/qos-ch/slf4j
mockito 2.0.2-beta https://github.com/mockito/mockito
==External dependencies licensed under the New BSD License==
protobuf 2.5.0 https://github.com/google/protobuf
==External dependencies licensed under the Eclipse Public License 1.0==
junit 4.11
https://github.com/junit-team/junit4
==Cryptography==
Not applicable.
=Initial Committers=
Goson Zhang
Guangxu Cheng gxcheng@apache.org
Jerry Shao jshao@apache.org
Jie Jiang
Junjie Chen
Junping Du junping_du@apache.org
Kayne Wu
Lamber Liu
Osgoo Li
Peng Chen
Sijie Guo
Xiang Li xiangli@apache.org
Yiheng Wang
Yuhong Liu
Zak Wu
Zili Chen tison@apache.org
=Sponsors=
Champion and mentor: David Nalley ke4qqq@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
Mentors: Junping Du junpingdu@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
Justin Mclain jmclean@apache.org (ASF Member, VP of Incubator)
Sijie Guo sijie@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
Zhijie Shen zjshen@apache.org (ASF Member, Incubator PMC)
=Sponsoring Entity=
The Apache Incubator
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/TubeMQ+Proposal
- Side note that the wiki page has an informative graphic, which is
not present in this email.
--David
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