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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> on 2017/02/23 07:22:23 UTC
RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Hi All,
I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is often
considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and learn
about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC you
can still use it.
The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they have a
slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know the
Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that then
have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and see
how it goes?
Cheers
Garren
Apache CouchDB PMC
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
+1
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> On 7 Mar 2017, at 12:04, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>> On 7 Mar 2017, at 11:38, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to merge the website PR today. And then we can focus on the
>> marketing aspect of this. Is that ok with everyone?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I've changed the sign up form to https://couchdb-slack.now.sh
>>> Its taking me a little time to figure out how hosting works on now. Once
>>> the website is deployed the form url shouldn't really matter.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> We have been working on setting up Slack. We have a slack - irc bridge in
>>>> place. While we are testing the slack bridge, it points to #couchdb-slack
>>>> on irc. The slack account is https://couchdb.slack.com, if you have an
>>>> apache email, you can login. Otherwise we have a sign up page here
>>>> https://couchdb-stbqathzdi.now.sh/ to get an invite. I have a pull
>>>> request for adding a sign up form on the couchdb homepage
>>>> https://github.com/apache/couchdb-www/pull/21
>>>>
>>>> I would love some feedback on this before we announce it, merge the
>>>> website and point the irc bridge to #couchdb. So please join #couchdb-slack
>>>> or sign up for slack and let us know how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Garren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Robert Samuel Newson <rnewson@apache.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and
>>>>> Slack) so I won't vote ... yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
>>>>>
>>>>> We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free
>>>>> tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe
>>>>> message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that
>>>>> users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that
>>>>> ability or restrict it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a
>>>>> permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear
>>>>> to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try
>>>>> to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers
>>>>> when the alternative is a website).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000
>>>>> messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is
>>>>> sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you
>>>>> have to move to paid tier to get at it).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't
>>>>> replace the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or
>>>>> documentation, and it won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that
>>>>> exist to help users find already published solutions to their problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in
>>>>> more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that,
>>>>> relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning,
>>>>> allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the
>>>>> evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect
>>>>> from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
>>>>>
>>>>> B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
>>>>>> archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
>>>>>> wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
>>>>>> proposal more inclusive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm -0 on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
>>>>>>> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
>>>>>>> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
>>>>>>> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
>>>>>>> worry about being on the record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
>>>>>>> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
>>>>>>> for the worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Joan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would also love to see this!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>>>>>>>>>> IRC
>>>>>>>>>>> is often
>>>>>>>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>> and learn
>>>>>>>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>>>>>>>>>> So that
>>>>>>>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>>>> IRC you
>>>>>>>>>>> can still use it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>>>>>>>>>> they have a
>>>>>>>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> know the
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>>>>>>>>>> that then
>>>>>>>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>>> and see
>>>>>>>>>>> how it goes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Garren
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
>>>>>> https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
> https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
+1
> On 7 Mar 2017, at 11:38, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to merge the website PR today. And then we can focus on the
> marketing aspect of this. Is that ok with everyone?
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I've changed the sign up form to https://couchdb-slack.now.sh
>> Its taking me a little time to figure out how hosting works on now. Once
>> the website is deployed the form url shouldn't really matter.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> We have been working on setting up Slack. We have a slack - irc bridge in
>>> place. While we are testing the slack bridge, it points to #couchdb-slack
>>> on irc. The slack account is https://couchdb.slack.com, if you have an
>>> apache email, you can login. Otherwise we have a sign up page here
>>> https://couchdb-stbqathzdi.now.sh/ to get an invite. I have a pull
>>> request for adding a sign up form on the couchdb homepage
>>> https://github.com/apache/couchdb-www/pull/21
>>>
>>> I would love some feedback on this before we announce it, merge the
>>> website and point the irc bridge to #couchdb. So please join #couchdb-slack
>>> or sign up for slack and let us know how it goes.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Garren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Robert Samuel Newson <rnewson@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and
>>>> Slack) so I won't vote ... yet.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
>>>>
>>>> We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free
>>>> tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe
>>>> message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that
>>>> users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that
>>>> ability or restrict it).
>>>>
>>>> Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a
>>>> permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear
>>>> to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try
>>>> to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers
>>>> when the alternative is a website).
>>>>
>>>> Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000
>>>> messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is
>>>> sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you
>>>> have to move to paid tier to get at it).
>>>>
>>>> So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't
>>>> replace the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or
>>>> documentation, and it won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that
>>>> exist to help users find already published solutions to their problems.
>>>>
>>>> What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in
>>>> more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that,
>>>> relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning,
>>>> allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the
>>>> evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect
>>>> from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
>>>>
>>>> B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
>>>>> archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
>>>>> wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
>>>>> proposal more inclusive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Jan
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm -0 on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
>>>>>> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
>>>>>> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
>>>>>> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
>>>>>> worry about being on the record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
>>>>>> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
>>>>>> for the worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Joan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would also love to see this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>>>>>>>>> IRC
>>>>>>>>>> is often
>>>>>>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>> and learn
>>>>>>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>>>>>>>>> So that
>>>>>>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>>> IRC you
>>>>>>>>>> can still use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>>>>>>>>> they have a
>>>>>>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> know the
>>>>>>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>>>>>>>>> that then
>>>>>>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>> and see
>>>>>>>>>> how it goes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Garren
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
>>>>> https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
--
Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>.
I would like to merge the website PR today. And then we can focus on the
marketing aspect of this. Is that ok with everyone?
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've changed the sign up form to https://couchdb-slack.now.sh
> Its taking me a little time to figure out how hosting works on now. Once
> the website is deployed the form url shouldn't really matter.
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We have been working on setting up Slack. We have a slack - irc bridge in
>> place. While we are testing the slack bridge, it points to #couchdb-slack
>> on irc. The slack account is https://couchdb.slack.com, if you have an
>> apache email, you can login. Otherwise we have a sign up page here
>> https://couchdb-stbqathzdi.now.sh/ to get an invite. I have a pull
>> request for adding a sign up form on the couchdb homepage
>> https://github.com/apache/couchdb-www/pull/21
>>
>> I would love some feedback on this before we announce it, merge the
>> website and point the irc bridge to #couchdb. So please join #couchdb-slack
>> or sign up for slack and let us know how it goes.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Garren
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Robert Samuel Newson <rnewson@apache.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and
>>> Slack) so I won't vote ... yet.
>>>
>>> Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
>>>
>>> We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free
>>> tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe
>>> message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that
>>> users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that
>>> ability or restrict it).
>>>
>>> Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a
>>> permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear
>>> to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try
>>> to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers
>>> when the alternative is a website).
>>>
>>> Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000
>>> messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is
>>> sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you
>>> have to move to paid tier to get at it).
>>>
>>> So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't
>>> replace the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or
>>> documentation, and it won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that
>>> exist to help users find already published solutions to their problems.
>>>
>>> What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in
>>> more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that,
>>> relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning,
>>> allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
>>>
>>> I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the
>>> evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect
>>> from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
>>>
>>> B.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
>>> >
>>> > This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
>>> > archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
>>> > wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
>>> > proposal more inclusive.
>>> >
>>> > Best
>>> > Jan
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm -0 on this.
>>> >>
>>> >> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
>>> >> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
>>> >> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
>>> >> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
>>> >> worry about being on the record.
>>> >>
>>> >> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
>>> >> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
>>> >> for the worse.
>>> >>
>>> >> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Joan
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>>> >>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Would also love to see this!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Cheers
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Martin
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi All,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>> >>>>>> IRC
>>> >>>>>> is often
>>> >>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>> >>>>>> questions
>>> >>>>>> and learn
>>> >>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>> >>>>>> get
>>> >>>>>> started
>>> >>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>> >>>>>> So that
>>> >>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>> >>>>>> prefer
>>> >>>>>> IRC you
>>> >>>>>> can still use it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>> >>>>>> they have a
>>> >>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>> >>>>>> community
>>> >>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>> >>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>> know the
>>> >>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>> >>>>>> well.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>> >>>>>> that then
>>> >>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>> >>>>>> months
>>> >>>>>> and see
>>> >>>>>> how it goes?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> Cheers
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> Garren
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
>>> > https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>.
I've changed the sign up form to https://couchdb-slack.now.sh
Its taking me a little time to figure out how hosting works on now. Once
the website is deployed the form url shouldn't really matter.
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We have been working on setting up Slack. We have a slack - irc bridge in
> place. While we are testing the slack bridge, it points to #couchdb-slack
> on irc. The slack account is https://couchdb.slack.com, if you have an
> apache email, you can login. Otherwise we have a sign up page here
> https://couchdb-stbqathzdi.now.sh/ to get an invite. I have a pull
> request for adding a sign up form on the couchdb homepage
> https://github.com/apache/couchdb-www/pull/21
>
> I would love some feedback on this before we announce it, merge the
> website and point the irc bridge to #couchdb. So please join #couchdb-slack
> or sign up for slack and let us know how it goes.
>
> Cheers
> Garren
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Robert Samuel Newson <rn...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and Slack)
>> so I won't vote ... yet.
>>
>> Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
>>
>> We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free
>> tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe
>> message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that
>> users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that
>> ability or restrict it).
>>
>> Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a
>> permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear
>> to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try
>> to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers
>> when the alternative is a website).
>>
>> Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000
>> messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is
>> sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you
>> have to move to paid tier to get at it).
>>
>> So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't
>> replace the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or
>> documentation, and it won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that
>> exist to help users find already published solutions to their problems.
>>
>> What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in
>> more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that,
>> relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning,
>> allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
>>
>> I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the
>> evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect
>> from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
>>
>> B.
>>
>>
>> > On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
>> >
>> > This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
>> > archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
>> > wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
>> > proposal more inclusive.
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Jan
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm -0 on this.
>> >>
>> >> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
>> >> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
>> >> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
>> >> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
>> >> worry about being on the record.
>> >>
>> >> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
>> >> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
>> >> for the worse.
>> >>
>> >> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>> >>
>> >> -Joan
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>> >>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>> >>>
>> >>> Would also love to see this!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>> >>>
>> >>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Cheers
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Martin
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> I'm in for that!!
>> >>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>> >>>>>> IRC
>> >>>>>> is often
>> >>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>> >>>>>> questions
>> >>>>>> and learn
>> >>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>> >>>>>> get
>> >>>>>> started
>> >>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>> >>>>>> So that
>> >>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>> >>>>>> prefer
>> >>>>>> IRC you
>> >>>>>> can still use it.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>> >>>>>> they have a
>> >>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>> >>>>>> community
>> >>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> know the
>> >>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>> >>>>>> well.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>> >>>>>> that then
>> >>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>> >>>>>> months
>> >>>>>> and see
>> >>>>>> how it goes?
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Garren
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
>> > https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>> >
>>
>>
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi All,
We have been working on setting up Slack. We have a slack - irc bridge in
place. While we are testing the slack bridge, it points to #couchdb-slack
on irc. The slack account is https://couchdb.slack.com, if you have an
apache email, you can login. Otherwise we have a sign up page here
https://couchdb-stbqathzdi.now.sh/ to get an invite. I have a pull request
for adding a sign up form on the couchdb homepage
https://github.com/apache/couchdb-www/pull/21
I would love some feedback on this before we announce it, merge the website
and point the irc bridge to #couchdb. So please join #couchdb-slack or sign
up for slack and let us know how it goes.
Cheers
Garren
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Robert Samuel Newson <rn...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
> I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and Slack)
> so I won't vote ... yet.
>
> Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
>
> We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free
> tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe
> message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that
> users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that
> ability or restrict it).
>
> Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a
> permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear
> to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try
> to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers
> when the alternative is a website).
>
> Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000
> messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is
> sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you
> have to move to paid tier to get at it).
>
> So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't replace
> the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or documentation, and it
> won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that exist to help users find
> already published solutions to their problems.
>
> What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in
> more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that,
> relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning,
> allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
>
> I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the
> evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect
> from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
>
> B.
>
>
> > On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
> >
> > This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
> > archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
> > wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
> > proposal more inclusive.
> >
> > Best
> > Jan
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm -0 on this.
> >>
> >> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
> >> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
> >> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
> >> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
> >> worry about being on the record.
> >>
> >> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
> >> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
> >> for the worse.
> >>
> >> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
> >>
> >> -Joan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
> >>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
> >>>
> >>> Would also love to see this!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
> >>>
> >>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>
> >>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I'm in for that!!
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
> >>>>>> IRC
> >>>>>> is often
> >>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
> >>>>>> questions
> >>>>>> and learn
> >>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
> >>>>>> get
> >>>>>> started
> >>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
> >>>>>> So that
> >>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
> >>>>>> prefer
> >>>>>> IRC you
> >>>>>> can still use it.
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
> >>>>>> they have a
> >>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
> >>>>>> community
> >>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> know the
> >>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
> >>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
> >>>>>> that then
> >>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
> >>>>>> months
> >>>>>> and see
> >>>>>> how it goes?
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>>>> Garren
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > --
> > Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
> > https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
> >
>
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Robert Samuel Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and Slack) so I won't vote ... yet.
Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that ability or restrict it).
Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers when the alternative is a website).
Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000 messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you have to move to paid tier to get at it).
So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't replace the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or documentation, and it won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that exist to help users find already published solutions to their problems.
What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that, relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning, allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
B.
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
>
> This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
> archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
> wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
> proposal more inclusive.
>
> Best
> Jan
> --
>
>
>
>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm -0 on this.
>>
>> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
>> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
>> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
>> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
>> worry about being on the record.
>>
>> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
>> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
>> for the worse.
>>
>> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>>
>> -Joan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>>
>>> Would also love to see this!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>>
>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>
>>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>>>>> IRC
>>>>>> is often
>>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> and learn
>>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> started
>>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>>>>> So that
>>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> IRC you
>>>>>> can still use it.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>>>>> they have a
>>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know the
>>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>>>>> that then
>>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>>>>> months
>>>>>> and see
>>>>>> how it goes?
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>>>> Garren
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
> https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Robert Samuel Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
I'm equivocal on the proposal (and I'm a long-time user of IRC and Slack) so I won't vote ... yet.
Instead of voting, perhaps I can suggest a path forward?
We (PMC) will first evaluate the available privacy controls of the free tier and determine if an appropriate balance can be struck. I believe message retention policy can be configured on a per channel basis and that users can delete their own past messages (It's possible to remove that ability or restrict it).
Joan speaks for many who would participate less, or not at all, if a permanent record of their words were being maintained. It's just as clear to me that there are many people who never get involved in CouchDB, or try to but feel excluded by our mailing list or IRC barriers (they are barriers when the alternative is a website).
Now, a free Slack team has limited search ability to the last 10,000 messages per channel anyway, so it's a valid question whether that is sufficient even if we were to allow it (_retention_ is unlimited but you have to move to paid tier to get at it).
So, we should be clear what we expect Slack to do for us. It won't replace the mailing lists, it won't replace any blog posts or documentation, and it won't replace stackoverflow or sites like it that exist to help users find already published solutions to their problems.
What it can do is make it easier for people to chat about CouchDB in more-or-less realtime. I'd say it could be do a bit better than that, relative to IRC, through the use of Slack posts and message pinning, allowing us to prominently display introductory material or howto's, etc.
I think we at least owe the suggestion a trial period, after the evaluation I mentioned at the top, but we should be clear what we expect from this effort, and define what a successful trial would look like.
B.
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:53, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
>
> This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
> archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
> wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
> proposal more inclusive.
>
> Best
> Jan
> --
>
>
>
>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm -0 on this.
>>
>> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
>> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
>> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
>> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
>> worry about being on the record.
>>
>> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
>> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
>> for the worse.
>>
>> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>>
>> -Joan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>>
>>> Would also love to see this!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>>
>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>
>>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>>>>> IRC
>>>>>> is often
>>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> and learn
>>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> started
>>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>>>>> So that
>>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> IRC you
>>>>>> can still use it.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>>>>> they have a
>>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know the
>>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>>>>> that then
>>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>>>>> months
>>>>>> and see
>>>>>> how it goes?
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>>>> Garren
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
> https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
proposal more inclusive.
Best
Jan
--
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I'm -0 on this.
>
> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
> worry about being on the record.
>
> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
> for the worse.
>
> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>
> -Joan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>
>> Would also love to see this!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>
>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>>>> IRC
>>>>> is often
>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>>>> questions
>>>>> and learn
>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>>>> get
>>>>> started
>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>>>> So that
>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>>>> prefer
>>>>> IRC you
>>>>> can still use it.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>>>> they have a
>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>>>> community
>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>>>> I
>>>>> know the
>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>>>> that then
>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>>>> months
>>>>> and see
>>>>> how it goes?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>
>>>>> Garren
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
--
Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
https://neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
FWIW, Slack allows per channel disabling of search.
This would negate the benefit of a more accessible problem/solution
archive, but I feel StackOverflow has taken that on anyway, so I
wouldn’t object to make use of that switch, if it makes this
proposal more inclusive.
Best
Jan
--
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 20:56, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I'm -0 on this.
>
> We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
> specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
> about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
> people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
> worry about being on the record.
>
> Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
> does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
> for the worse.
>
> I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
>
> -Joan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
>> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>>
>> Would also love to see this!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>>
>>> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>>> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I'm in for that!!
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
>>>>> IRC
>>>>> is often
>>>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
>>>>> questions
>>>>> and learn
>>>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
>>>>> get
>>>>> started
>>>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
>>>>> So that
>>>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
>>>>> prefer
>>>>> IRC you
>>>>> can still use it.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
>>>>> they have a
>>>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
>>>>> community
>>>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
>>>>> I
>>>>> know the
>>>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
>>>>> that then
>>>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
>>>>> months
>>>>> and see
>>>>> how it goes?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>
>>>>> Garren
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>.
I'm -0 on this.
We have a specific history around IRC that is important to retain,
specifically the IRC channels have never been logged. I feel strongly
about not retaining log history from our discussion area; it gives
people the ability to be more free about their discussions without
worry about being on the record.
Slack as a host (whether you use IRC or Slack as the chat gateway)
does away with that, at least partially, and I think it will be
for the worse.
I will probably drop out of chat if this happens.
-Joan
----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Squier" <ds...@slitscan.com>
> To: "Martin Rudolph" <m....@email.de>, user@couchdb.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:56:59 AM
> Subject: Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
>
> Would also love to see this!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
>
> > +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
>
> > <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>
> >
>
> > Cheers
>
> >
>
> > Martin
>
> > > Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>
> > >
>
> > > I'm in for that!!
>
> > >
>
> > >> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
>
> > >> Hi All,
>
> > >>
>
> > >> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community.
> > >> IRC
> > >> is often
> > >> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask
> > >> questions
> > >> and learn
> > >> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to
> > >> get
> > >> started
> > >> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
> > >> So that
> > >> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you
> > >> prefer
> > >> IRC you
> > >> can still use it.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
> > >> they have a
> > >> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
> > >> community
> > >> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented.
> > >> I
> > >> know the
> > >> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
> > >> well.
> > >>
>
> > >> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
> > >> that then
> > >> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4
> > >> months
> > >> and see
> > >> how it goes?
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Cheers
>
> > >> Garren
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Apache CouchDB PMC
>
> >
>
>
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by David Squier <ds...@slitscan.com>.
Would also love to see this!
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:35 AM, Martin Rudolph wrote:
> +1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/
> <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
> > Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
> >
> > I'm in for that!!
> >
> >> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC
> >> is often
> >> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions
> >> and learn
> >> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get
> >> started
> >> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge.
> >> So that
> >> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer
> >> IRC you
> >> can still use it.
> >>
> >> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community,
> >> they have a
> >> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the
> >> community
> >> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I
> >> know the
> >> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked
> >> well.
> >>
> >> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms
> >> that then
> >> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
> >>
> >> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months
> >> and see
> >> how it goes?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Garren
> >>
> >> Apache CouchDB PMC
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Martin Rudolph <m....@email.de>.
+1 for Slack and btw. I think there is a http://www.discourse.org/ <http://www.discourse.org/> plugin for slack…
Cheers
Martin
> Am 23.02.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Dan Santner <da...@me.com>:
>
> I'm in for that!!
>
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is often
>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and learn
>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC you
>> can still use it.
>>
>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they have a
>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know the
>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
>>
>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that then
>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>
>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and see
>> how it goes?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Garren
>>
>> Apache CouchDB PMC
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Dan Santner <da...@me.com>.
I'm in for that!!
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is often
> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and learn
> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC you
> can still use it.
>
> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they have a
> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know the
> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
>
> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that then
> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>
> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and see
> how it goes?
>
> Cheers
> Garren
>
> Apache CouchDB PMC
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
+1 for Slack!
--
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!
GPG public key:
http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x45D3565377F93D29
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 12:48, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> At this stage I only really want to consider slack. If that is successful
> we can consider other ways of helping the CouchDB community.
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Martin Broerse <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am ok with this but would like http://www.discourse.org/ better. This
>> way
>> you can google old discussions and advice given will not be lost. See:
>> https://discuss.emberjs.com/
>>
>> - Martin
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is
>> often
>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and
>> learn
>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC
>> you
>>> can still use it.
>>>
>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they
>> have a
>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know
>> the
>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
>>>
>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that
>> then
>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>>
>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and
>> see
>>> how it goes?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Garren
>>>
>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>>
>>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
+1 for Slack!
--
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!
GPG public key:
http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x45D3565377F93D29
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 12:48, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> At this stage I only really want to consider slack. If that is successful
> we can consider other ways of helping the CouchDB community.
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Martin Broerse <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am ok with this but would like http://www.discourse.org/ better. This
>> way
>> you can google old discussions and advice given will not be lost. See:
>> https://discuss.emberjs.com/
>>
>> - Martin
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is
>> often
>>> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and
>> learn
>>> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
>>> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
>>> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC
>> you
>>> can still use it.
>>>
>>> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they
>> have a
>>> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
>>> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know
>> the
>>> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
>>>
>>> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that
>> then
>>> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>>>
>>> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and
>> see
>>> how it goes?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Garren
>>>
>>> Apache CouchDB PMC
>>>
>>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>.
At this stage I only really want to consider slack. If that is successful
we can consider other ways of helping the CouchDB community.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Martin Broerse <ma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am ok with this but would like http://www.discourse.org/ better. This
> way
> you can google old discussions and advice given will not be lost. See:
> https://discuss.emberjs.com/
>
> - Martin
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is
> often
> > considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and
> learn
> > about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
> > with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
> > people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC
> you
> > can still use it.
> >
> > The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they
> have a
> > slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
> > has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know
> the
> > Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
> >
> > I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that
> then
> > have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
> >
> > Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and
> see
> > how it goes?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Garren
> >
> > Apache CouchDB PMC
> >
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>.
At this stage I only really want to consider slack. If that is successful
we can consider other ways of helping the CouchDB community.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Martin Broerse <ma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am ok with this but would like http://www.discourse.org/ better. This
> way
> you can google old discussions and advice given will not be lost. See:
> https://discuss.emberjs.com/
>
> - Martin
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is
> often
> > considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and
> learn
> > about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
> > with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
> > people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC
> you
> > can still use it.
> >
> > The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they
> have a
> > slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
> > has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know
> the
> > Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
> >
> > I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that
> then
> > have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
> >
> > Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and
> see
> > how it goes?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Garren
> >
> > Apache CouchDB PMC
> >
>
Re: RFC CouchDB Slack channel
Posted by Martin Broerse <ma...@gmail.com>.
I am ok with this but would like http://www.discourse.org/ better. This way
you can google old discussions and advice given will not be lost. See:
https://discuss.emberjs.com/
- Martin
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I would like create a slack channel for the CouchDB community. IRC is often
> considered a barrier to entry for people wanting to ask questions and learn
> about CouchDB. Slack is a lot easier and less intimidating to get started
> with. When we do this, we would setup a IRC <-> Slack bridge. So that
> people on slack can communicate to people on IRC. So if you prefer IRC you
> can still use it.
>
> The best success story for this model is the PouchDB community, they have a
> slack channel with a bridge that links the IRC channel. And the community
> has really grown significantly since this has been implemented. I know the
> Hoodie team also has something like this and it has also worked well.
>
> I would like to do the same, with a slack channel with two rooms that then
> have a bridge back to #couchdb and #couchdb-dev.
>
> Would everyone be ok with this? Could we trial it for 3 - 4 months and see
> how it goes?
>
> Cheers
> Garren
>
> Apache CouchDB PMC
>