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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> on 2006/01/07 01:11:24 UTC
ADF Source drop is available!
Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
Ted Husted will be copying this over to a people.apache.org
site, at which point I'll take it down from mac.com so
my bandwidth limit doesn't get completely clobbered.
This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
demo WAR.
John and I have spent most of this week cleaning up the
codebase to eliminate compile and build dependencies on
anything Oracle proprietary or non-ASF compatible. I'd say
we're 99.9% of the way there - the remaining points being:
- the lack (AFAIK) of a JSF impl in the public maven
repository - obviously, we can trivially point that to
MyFaces api and impl
- Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
to be redone the right way.
Looking forward to all of your comments!
Best regards,
John and Adam
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Adam Winer wrote:
> Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
> of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
>
wohoo this is awesome.
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
Also really cool is ADFFacesContext and getAgent(), for calculating user-agents.
Nice stuff. Have look at it more detailed next week.
Nice weekend ;)
-Matthias
On 1/7/06, Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > John, Jonas, we'll need to move from package naming "oracle" to
> > "org.apache.myfaces", plus we need to add the ASL on every file. I do
> > think you know that will be necessary, just wanted to reiterate the
> > fact ;)
>
> Yes, that was the reason, why I *reconnected* to the internet (not at
> home on my *own* notebook). However, we should have org.apache.**
> packages and also we should remove the Oracle java-comments inside of
> all files.
>
> What we can do is providing *wrapper* for the package stuff. ADF Faces
> is software, which is already in use by lot's of people, so... if we
> change *all* packages, we bother some users IMO. So we can set the
> *old* as deprecated and provide *new* org.apache.** package.
>
> Not sure if it is ok... starting an incubation with different packages
> then org.apche.**
>
> So, yes... a public SVN would be nice to play with all the code :-)
>
> -Matthias
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Zülpicher Wall 12, 239
50674 Köln
http://www.wessendorf.net
mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Jonas Jacobi <jo...@oracle.com>.
Hi Martin,
No worries ;) I'm looking forward to help out as well.
Thanks,
Jonas
Martin Marinschek wrote:
> John and Adam's, sorry ;)
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/7/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No,
>>
>> don't get me wrong - we don't have to fix this before getting into
>> incubator, just on the exit. And I'd definitely combine this exit with
>> a major release, and on a major release you should be able to change
>> package names, and your users will accept that.
>>
>> But it's John and Jonas call on how and when they want to handle this.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 1/7/06, Mario Ivankovits <im...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>> What we can do is providing *wrapper* for the package stuff. ADF Faces
>>>> is software, which is already in use by lot's of people, so... if we
>>>> change *all* packages, we bother some users IMO. So we can set the
>>>> *old* as deprecated and provide *new* org.apache.** package.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if it is ok... starting an incubation with different packages
>>>> then org.apche.**
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not hat my meaning has any weight here, but with modern IDEs it should
>>> easily be possible to do some search and replace on the code.
>>> Or we can provide a simple ant script to do this. It should be that hard
>>> to replace using the fqn name of the changed classes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Mario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
--
-------------------------------------------------------
*Jonas Jacobi
*Principal Product Manager - JSF & ADF Faces
Oracle JDeveloper
*Author*: Pro JSF: Building Rich Internet Components
<http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044>
*Blog*: http://www.orablogs.com/jjacobi
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
John and Adam's, sorry ;)
regards,
Martin
On 1/7/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No,
>
> don't get me wrong - we don't have to fix this before getting into
> incubator, just on the exit. And I'd definitely combine this exit with
> a major release, and on a major release you should be able to change
> package names, and your users will accept that.
>
> But it's John and Jonas call on how and when they want to handle this.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/7/06, Mario Ivankovits <im...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi!
> > > What we can do is providing *wrapper* for the package stuff. ADF Faces
> > > is software, which is already in use by lot's of people, so... if we
> > > change *all* packages, we bother some users IMO. So we can set the
> > > *old* as deprecated and provide *new* org.apache.** package.
> > >
> > > Not sure if it is ok... starting an incubation with different packages
> > > then org.apche.**
> > >
> > Not hat my meaning has any weight here, but with modern IDEs it should
> > easily be possible to do some search and replace on the code.
> > Or we can provide a simple ant script to do this. It should be that hard
> > to replace using the fqn name of the changed classes.
> >
> > ---
> > Mario
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
No,
don't get me wrong - we don't have to fix this before getting into
incubator, just on the exit. And I'd definitely combine this exit with
a major release, and on a major release you should be able to change
package names, and your users will accept that.
But it's John and Jonas call on how and when they want to handle this.
regards,
Martin
On 1/7/06, Mario Ivankovits <im...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi!
> > What we can do is providing *wrapper* for the package stuff. ADF Faces
> > is software, which is already in use by lot's of people, so... if we
> > change *all* packages, we bother some users IMO. So we can set the
> > *old* as deprecated and provide *new* org.apache.** package.
> >
> > Not sure if it is ok... starting an incubation with different packages
> > then org.apche.**
> >
> Not hat my meaning has any weight here, but with modern IDEs it should
> easily be possible to do some search and replace on the code.
> Or we can provide a simple ant script to do this. It should be that hard
> to replace using the fqn name of the changed classes.
>
> ---
> Mario
>
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <im...@apache.org>.
Hi!
> What we can do is providing *wrapper* for the package stuff. ADF Faces
> is software, which is already in use by lot's of people, so... if we
> change *all* packages, we bother some users IMO. So we can set the
> *old* as deprecated and provide *new* org.apache.** package.
>
> Not sure if it is ok... starting an incubation with different packages
> then org.apche.**
>
Not hat my meaning has any weight here, but with modern IDEs it should
easily be possible to do some search and replace on the code.
Or we can provide a simple ant script to do this. It should be that hard
to replace using the fqn name of the changed classes.
---
Mario
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
> John, Jonas, we'll need to move from package naming "oracle" to
> "org.apache.myfaces", plus we need to add the ASL on every file. I do
> think you know that will be necessary, just wanted to reiterate the
> fact ;)
Yes, that was the reason, why I *reconnected* to the internet (not at
home on my *own* notebook). However, we should have org.apache.**
packages and also we should remove the Oracle java-comments inside of
all files.
What we can do is providing *wrapper* for the package stuff. ADF Faces
is software, which is already in use by lot's of people, so... if we
change *all* packages, we bother some users IMO. So we can set the
*old* as deprecated and provide *new* org.apache.** package.
Not sure if it is ok... starting an incubation with different packages
then org.apche.**
So, yes... a public SVN would be nice to play with all the code :-)
-Matthias
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Just looked on some of the renderers, and they look pretty nice to me.
Clean, cool, JSF code.
e.g. oracle.adfinternal.view.faces.renderkit.core.xhtml.TableRenderer
Sean, you know why I've started with this one, right ;) ?
John, Jonas, we'll need to move from package naming "oracle" to
"org.apache.myfaces", plus we need to add the ASL on every file. I do
think you know that will be necessary, just wanted to reiterate the
fact ;)
regards,
Martin
On 1/7/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
> of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
>
> Ted Husted will be copying this over to a people.apache.org
> site, at which point I'll take it down from mac.com so
> my bandwidth limit doesn't get completely clobbered.
>
> This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> demo WAR.
>
> John and I have spent most of this week cleaning up the
> codebase to eliminate compile and build dependencies on
> anything Oracle proprietary or non-ASF compatible. I'd say
> we're 99.9% of the way there - the remaining points being:
>
> - the lack (AFAIK) of a JSF impl in the public maven
> repository - obviously, we can trivially point that to
> MyFaces api and impl
> - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> to be redone the right way.
>
> Looking forward to all of your comments!
>
> Best regards,
> John and Adam
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 1/9/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 1/7/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have started looking at the sources,
> >
> > and my first look was on the accompanying java-script code.
> >
> > Now, I hope Martin Cooper hasn't had the time to look so far, cause he
> > wouldn't have been to happy ;)
> >
> > Issues I've seen so far:
> >
> > - no namespacing for class-names
> > - global variables (not even namespaced)
> > - global, not namespaced functions
>
> Yeah, known - when this code was written (it pretty much all
> comes from UIX) we were very naive JS developers. One
> of the items already on our todo list is moving all the functions,
> classes, and variables inside a single top level object.
Yes, that's right, and we're also looking forward to working with the rest
of the Apache MyFaces community to make these and other useful improvements.
:-)
Kind Regards,
John Fallows.
--
Author Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044
Re: Javascript namespacing (was Re: ADF Source drop is available!)
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Yep, this is what I meant - though what Martin suggests in the
next message (full namespacing) is a step better once your
codebase gets large enough to make it worthwhile.
The same thing also applies to top-level EL objects where (being
less naive these days :), we put our EL-accessible objects off of
#{adfFacesContext} (plus #{processScope}, which is our only
other top-level variable).
-- Adam
On 1/9/06, Simon Kitching <sk...@obsidium.com> wrote:
> Adam Winer wrote:
> > One
> > of the items already on our todo list is moving all the functions,
> > classes, and variables inside a single top level object.
>
> Using a single top-level object is something I've been considering
> suggesting for a while.
>
> MyFaces could create a single "myfaces" object for javascript, then
> attach any further scripting to that object as "methods". This reduces
> the namespace pollution to a single name.
>
> Of course components can create their own "object", and attach it to the
> global myfaces object as a member, and then hang their methods off that
> object to avoid possible name collisions with other components.
>
> myfaces = new Object();
> myfaces.submitForm = function() {......}
> myfaces.ajax = new Object();
> myfaces.ajax.someMethod = function() {.....}
>
> onchange="myfaces.submitForm()"
>
> Adam: is this what you meant?
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon
>
Re: Javascript namespacing (was Re: ADF Source drop is available!)
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 1/9/06, Simon Kitching <sk...@obsidium.com> wrote:
>
> Adam Winer wrote:
> > One
> > of the items already on our todo list is moving all the functions,
> > classes, and variables inside a single top level object.
>
> Using a single top-level object is something I've been considering
> suggesting for a while.
>
> MyFaces could create a single "myfaces" object for javascript, then
> attach any further scripting to that object as "methods". This reduces
> the namespace pollution to a single name.
This would be the very bare minimum. Much more useful is to introduce
something similar to the Java package system, which is what Dojo does, for
example. So then you have packages such as dojo.lang, dojo.io,
dojo.widget.html, etc. As with Java, you then define your classes inside
those packages. (One of the things that's quite different from Java, though,
is that the 'this' keyword means something very different in JavaScript,
even when it appears to be the same in the simplest cases.)
There's a discussion of namespacing in JavaScript at the end of this
excellent article about "OOP with ECMAScript":
http://fm.dept-z.com/index.asp?get=/Resources/OOP_with_ECMAScript/
--
Martin Cooper
Of course components can create their own "object", and attach it to the
> global myfaces object as a member, and then hang their methods off that
> object to avoid possible name collisions with other components.
>
> myfaces = new Object();
> myfaces.submitForm = function() {......}
> myfaces.ajax = new Object();
> myfaces.ajax.someMethod = function() {.....}
>
> onchange="myfaces.submitForm()"
>
> Adam: is this what you meant?
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon
>
Javascript namespacing (was Re: ADF Source drop is available!)
Posted by Simon Kitching <sk...@obsidium.com>.
Adam Winer wrote:
> One
> of the items already on our todo list is moving all the functions,
> classes, and variables inside a single top level object.
Using a single top-level object is something I've been considering
suggesting for a while.
MyFaces could create a single "myfaces" object for javascript, then
attach any further scripting to that object as "methods". This reduces
the namespace pollution to a single name.
Of course components can create their own "object", and attach it to the
global myfaces object as a member, and then hang their methods off that
object to avoid possible name collisions with other components.
myfaces = new Object();
myfaces.submitForm = function() {......}
myfaces.ajax = new Object();
myfaces.ajax.someMethod = function() {.....}
onchange="myfaces.submitForm()"
Adam: is this what you meant?
Regards,
Simon
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 1/7/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have started looking at the sources,
>
> and my first look was on the accompanying java-script code.
>
> Now, I hope Martin Cooper hasn't had the time to look so far, cause he
> wouldn't have been to happy ;)
>
> Issues I've seen so far:
>
> - no namespacing for class-names
> - global variables (not even namespaced)
> - global, not namespaced functions
Yeah, known - when this code was written (it pretty much all
comes from UIX) we were very naive JS developers. One
of the items already on our todo list is moving all the functions,
classes, and variables inside a single top level object.
> apart from that, the javascript code in the functions themselves
> looked pretty decent to me. Any chance we can work together to clean
> that up in incubator?
Absolutely! (Incubator, sandbox, whereever...)
-- Adam
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/7/06, Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Adam, John.
> >
> > this is a good news. Nice to hear!
> >
> > > This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> > > including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> > > which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> > > LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> > > the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> > > demo WAR.
> >
> > Very good! This is *convenient* for a lot`s of user, which want to
> > play fast w/ ADF components. I also deployed the WAR before I started
> > looking at the sources ;-)
> >
> > > - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> > > run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> > > We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> > > to be redone the right way.
> >
> > so... is this jar non-asf compatible? If yes... I guess Ted can't
> > upload the zip to the p.a.o server. Correct me, if I am wrong.
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > > Looking forward to all of your comments!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > John and Adam
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > Zülpicher Wall 12, 239
> > 50674 Köln
> > http://www.wessendorf.net
> > mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 1/7/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 1/7/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have started looking at the sources,
> >
> > and my first look was on the accompanying java-script code.
> >
> > Now, I hope Martin Cooper hasn't had the time to look so far, cause he
> > wouldn't have been to happy ;)
>
>
> *sigh*
>
> I'd hoped for better from Oracle. Oh well. I guess there's work to do...
The good news is that we know better now. :)
-- Adam
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 1/7/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have started looking at the sources,
>
> and my first look was on the accompanying java-script code.
>
> Now, I hope Martin Cooper hasn't had the time to look so far, cause he
> wouldn't have been to happy ;)
*sigh*
I'd hoped for better from Oracle. Oh well. I guess there's work to do...
--
Martin Cooper
Issues I've seen so far:
>
> - no namespacing for class-names
> - global variables (not even namespaced)
> - global, not namespaced functions
>
> apart from that, the javascript code in the functions themselves
> looked pretty decent to me. Any chance we can work together to clean
> that up in incubator?
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/7/06, Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Adam, John.
> >
> > this is a good news. Nice to hear!
> >
> > > This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> > > including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> > > which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> > > LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> > > the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> > > demo WAR.
> >
> > Very good! This is *convenient* for a lot`s of user, which want to
> > play fast w/ ADF components. I also deployed the WAR before I started
> > looking at the sources ;-)
> >
> > > - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> > > run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> > > We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> > > to be redone the right way.
> >
> > so... is this jar non-asf compatible? If yes... I guess Ted can't
> > upload the zip to the p.a.o server. Correct me, if I am wrong.
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > > Looking forward to all of your comments!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > John and Adam
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > Zülpicher Wall 12, 239
> > 50674 Köln
> > http://www.wessendorf.net
> > mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
> apart from that, the javascript code in the functions themselves
> looked pretty decent to me. Any chance we can work together to clean
> that up in incubator?
For that, we need an account at i.a.o ;)
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
I have started looking at the sources,
and my first look was on the accompanying java-script code.
Now, I hope Martin Cooper hasn't had the time to look so far, cause he
wouldn't have been to happy ;)
Issues I've seen so far:
- no namespacing for class-names
- global variables (not even namespaced)
- global, not namespaced functions
apart from that, the javascript code in the functions themselves
looked pretty decent to me. Any chance we can work together to clean
that up in incubator?
regards,
Martin
On 1/7/06, Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam, John.
>
> this is a good news. Nice to hear!
>
> > This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> > including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> > which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> > LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> > the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> > demo WAR.
>
> Very good! This is *convenient* for a lot`s of user, which want to
> play fast w/ ADF components. I also deployed the WAR before I started
> looking at the sources ;-)
>
> > - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> > run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> > We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> > to be redone the right way.
>
> so... is this jar non-asf compatible? If yes... I guess Ted can't
> upload the zip to the p.a.o server. Correct me, if I am wrong.
>
> -Matthias
>
> > Looking forward to all of your comments!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > John and Adam
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> Zülpicher Wall 12, 239
> 50674 Köln
> http://www.wessendorf.net
> mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
Adam, John.
this is a good news. Nice to hear!
> This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> demo WAR.
Very good! This is *convenient* for a lot`s of user, which want to
play fast w/ ADF components. I also deployed the WAR before I started
looking at the sources ;-)
> - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> to be redone the right way.
so... is this jar non-asf compatible? If yes... I guess Ted can't
upload the zip to the p.a.o server. Correct me, if I am wrong.
-Matthias
> Looking forward to all of your comments!
>
> Best regards,
> John and Adam
>
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mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
Hi
> I have faxed AND mailed all the documents/agreements to ASF.
since all the paperworks seems to be done, I'll think we have to let
the incubator PMC / list know.
Ted, correct me, if I am wrong.
-Matthias
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Yes,
I meant the ASF side of things. It's one thing to get All The Powers
Of Oracle to sign, it's another to get All The Powers Of the ASF to
process ;)
Well, it's just a time issue. I'll go over to Manfred and ask him if
he can see anything like that already processed.
regards,
Martin
On 1/10/06, Omar Tazi <om...@oracle.com> wrote:
> Martin, Adam;
>
> I have faxed AND mailed all the documents/agreements to ASF.
>
> -Omar
>
> Adam Winer wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > Not sure exactly what you mean by "your code grant
> > has already been processed" - as best I know, all
> > the Powers That Be over at Oracle have signed all
> > the pieces of papers that need to be signed. Otherwise,
> > I'd be very unemployed after that code drop. :) I don't
> > know if Apache has received all the paperwork they need
> > to make it official. Maybe Ted can answer that?
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> > On 1/9/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>John, Adam,
> >>
> >>do you have any news that your code grant has already been processed?
> >>That will be the next bureaucratic step we'll need to take, I think.
> >>Plus writing up a proposal for the incubator.
> >>
> >>Example: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tobago.html
> >>
> >>regards,
> >>
> >>Martin
> >>
> >>On 1/10/06, John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 1/9/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 1/7/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>John and Adam,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
> >>>>>forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
> >>>>>now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
> >>>>>suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
> >>>>>snapshots, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
> >>>>>myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
> >>>>>use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
> >>>>>copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
> >>>>>propogating there.
> >>>>
> >>>>I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
> >>>>to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
> >>>
> >>> AFAIK, since the Maven1 ibiblio.org repository came first, the Maven2
> >>>ibiblio.org repository started out by syncing from the Maven1 repository,
> >>>but into the new repository directory and filename layout for Maven2.
> >>>Sometimes, JARs would be uploaded to the Maven2 repository and never exposed
> >>>via the Maven1 repository.
> >>>
> >>> Lately, the Maven1 repository has been removed as a separately maintained
> >>>entity, and instead there are URL rewrites going on to expose the Maven2
> >>>repository as though it were in the Maven1 layout.
> >>>
> >>> This URL rewriting eliminates the inconsistencies between the logical
> >>>contents of the Maven1 and Maven2 central repositories on ibiblio.org.
> >>>
> >>> Separately from that, Maven2 can consume dependencies from any Maven1
> >>>repository, if that repository is defined in (pom.xml or settings.xml) to
> >>>have "legacy" layout.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>> John Fallows.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Author Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
> >>>http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>http://www.irian.at
> >>
> >>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>Courses in English and German
> >>
> >>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>
>
>
>
--
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JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Omar Tazi <om...@oracle.com>.
Martin, Adam;
I have faxed AND mailed all the documents/agreements to ASF.
-Omar
Adam Winer wrote:
> Martin,
>
> Not sure exactly what you mean by "your code grant
> has already been processed" - as best I know, all
> the Powers That Be over at Oracle have signed all
> the pieces of papers that need to be signed. Otherwise,
> I'd be very unemployed after that code drop. :) I don't
> know if Apache has received all the paperwork they need
> to make it official. Maybe Ted can answer that?
>
> -- Adam
>
>
> On 1/9/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>John, Adam,
>>
>>do you have any news that your code grant has already been processed?
>>That will be the next bureaucratic step we'll need to take, I think.
>>Plus writing up a proposal for the incubator.
>>
>>Example: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tobago.html
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>On 1/10/06, John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/9/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1/7/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>John and Adam,
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
>>>>>forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
>>>>>now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
>>>>>suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
>>>>>snapshots, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
>>>>>myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
>>>>>use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
>>>>>copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
>>>>>propogating there.
>>>>
>>>>I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
>>>>to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
>>>
>>> AFAIK, since the Maven1 ibiblio.org repository came first, the Maven2
>>>ibiblio.org repository started out by syncing from the Maven1 repository,
>>>but into the new repository directory and filename layout for Maven2.
>>>Sometimes, JARs would be uploaded to the Maven2 repository and never exposed
>>>via the Maven1 repository.
>>>
>>> Lately, the Maven1 repository has been removed as a separately maintained
>>>entity, and instead there are URL rewrites going on to expose the Maven2
>>>repository as though it were in the Maven1 layout.
>>>
>>> This URL rewriting eliminates the inconsistencies between the logical
>>>contents of the Maven1 and Maven2 central repositories on ibiblio.org.
>>>
>>> Separately from that, Maven2 can consume dependencies from any Maven1
>>>repository, if that repository is defined in (pom.xml or settings.xml) to
>>>have "legacy" layout.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> John Fallows.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Author Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
>>>http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>http://www.irian.at
>>
>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>Courses in English and German
>>
>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Martin,
Not sure exactly what you mean by "your code grant
has already been processed" - as best I know, all
the Powers That Be over at Oracle have signed all
the pieces of papers that need to be signed. Otherwise,
I'd be very unemployed after that code drop. :) I don't
know if Apache has received all the paperwork they need
to make it official. Maybe Ted can answer that?
-- Adam
On 1/9/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John, Adam,
>
> do you have any news that your code grant has already been processed?
> That will be the next bureaucratic step we'll need to take, I think.
> Plus writing up a proposal for the incubator.
>
> Example: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tobago.html
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/10/06, John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/9/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 1/7/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > John and Adam,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
> > > > forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
> > > > now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
> > > > suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
> > > > snapshots, etc.
> > > >
> > > > As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
> > > > myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
> > > > use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
> > > > copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
> > > > propogating there.
> > >
> > > I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
> > > to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
> >
> > AFAIK, since the Maven1 ibiblio.org repository came first, the Maven2
> > ibiblio.org repository started out by syncing from the Maven1 repository,
> > but into the new repository directory and filename layout for Maven2.
> > Sometimes, JARs would be uploaded to the Maven2 repository and never exposed
> > via the Maven1 repository.
> >
> > Lately, the Maven1 repository has been removed as a separately maintained
> > entity, and instead there are URL rewrites going on to expose the Maven2
> > repository as though it were in the Maven1 layout.
> >
> > This URL rewriting eliminates the inconsistencies between the logical
> > contents of the Maven1 and Maven2 central repositories on ibiblio.org.
> >
> > Separately from that, Maven2 can consume dependencies from any Maven1
> > repository, if that repository is defined in (pom.xml or settings.xml) to
> > have "legacy" layout.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > John Fallows.
> >
> > --
> > Author Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
> > http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
John, Adam,
do you have any news that your code grant has already been processed?
That will be the next bureaucratic step we'll need to take, I think.
Plus writing up a proposal for the incubator.
Example: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tobago.html
regards,
Martin
On 1/10/06, John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/9/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/7/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > John and Adam,
> > >
> > > Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
> > > forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
> > > now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
> > > suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
> > > snapshots, etc.
> > >
> > > As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
> > > myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
> > > use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
> > > copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
> > > propogating there.
> >
> > I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
> > to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
>
> AFAIK, since the Maven1 ibiblio.org repository came first, the Maven2
> ibiblio.org repository started out by syncing from the Maven1 repository,
> but into the new repository directory and filename layout for Maven2.
> Sometimes, JARs would be uploaded to the Maven2 repository and never exposed
> via the Maven1 repository.
>
> Lately, the Maven1 repository has been removed as a separately maintained
> entity, and instead there are URL rewrites going on to expose the Maven2
> repository as though it were in the Maven1 layout.
>
> This URL rewriting eliminates the inconsistencies between the logical
> contents of the Maven1 and Maven2 central repositories on ibiblio.org.
>
> Separately from that, Maven2 can consume dependencies from any Maven1
> repository, if that repository is defined in (pom.xml or settings.xml) to
> have "legacy" layout.
>
> Kind Regards,
> John Fallows.
>
> --
> Author Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
> http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 1/9/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 1/7/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > John and Adam,
> >
> > Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
> > forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
> > now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
> > suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
> > snapshots, etc.
> >
> > As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
> > myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
> > use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
> > copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
> > propogating there.
>
> I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
> to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
AFAIK, since the Maven1 ibiblio.org repository came first, the Maven2
ibiblio.org repository started out by syncing from the Maven1 repository,
but into the new repository directory and filename layout for Maven2.
Sometimes, JARs would be uploaded to the Maven2 repository and never exposed
via the Maven1 repository.
Lately, the Maven1 repository has been removed as a separately maintained
entity, and instead there are URL rewrites going on to expose the Maven2
repository as though it were in the Maven1 layout.
This URL rewriting eliminates the inconsistencies between the logical
contents of the Maven1 and Maven2 central repositories on ibiblio.org.
Separately from that, Maven2 can consume dependencies from any Maven1
repository, if that repository is defined in (pom.xml or settings.xml) to
have "legacy" layout.
Kind Regards,
John Fallows.
--
Author Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>.
Hello Adam,
Adam Winer schrieb:
> I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
> to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
Unfortunately you can't find MyFaces in the org.apache.myfaces dir.
MyFaces releases before the upcoming 1.1.2 have the groupId myfaces.
Regards
Bernd
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 1/7/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John and Adam,
>
> Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
> forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
> now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
> suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
> snapshots, etc.
>
> As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
> myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
> use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
> copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
> propogating there.
I was looking in the maven2 subdirectory - is maven2 smart enough
to search both maven2 and maven1 repositories?
> I'm still new to maven and I haven't mastered publishing your jars
> yet. Maybe you need more? Soon we hope to have a full-fledged
> mavenized release which will solve all your problems.
I'm sure that'll do it, but if built as part of MyFaces, we don't even
need that, 'cause obviously the build machine would have a local
build of MyFaces, with or without publishing to ibiblio. Anyway, I
hope all the problems are this easy to solve. :)
-- Adam
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>.
John and Adam,
Thanks for all of your hard work getting this ready. I'm looking
forward to studying it. I'm a little busy with the Maven migration
now but I will get to it. Once we are fully migrated to maven I
suspect this will make things easier for the ADF code to use myfaces
snapshots, etc.
As for the current unavailability of a JSF impl in Maven ... there are
myfaces jars on ibiblio[1]. I believe struts-shale (using m1) makes
use of this now. We didn't really set them up ourselves. We just
copied the jars to certain locations on an ASF server and they end up
propogating there.
I'm still new to maven and I haven't mastered publishing your jars
yet. Maybe you need more? Soon we hope to have a full-fledged
mavenized release which will solve all your problems.
Sean
[1] http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/myfaces/
On 1/6/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
> of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
>
> Ted Husted will be copying this over to a people.apache.org
> site, at which point I'll take it down from mac.com so
> my bandwidth limit doesn't get completely clobbered.
>
> This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> demo WAR.
>
> John and I have spent most of this week cleaning up the
> codebase to eliminate compile and build dependencies on
> anything Oracle proprietary or non-ASF compatible. I'd say
> we're 99.9% of the way there - the remaining points being:
>
> - the lack (AFAIK) of a JSF impl in the public maven
> repository - obviously, we can trivially point that to
> MyFaces api and impl
> - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> to be redone the right way.
>
> Looking forward to all of your comments!
>
> Best regards,
> John and Adam
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, guys.
downloading at the moment ;)
regards,
Martin
On 1/7/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
> of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
>
> Ted Husted will be copying this over to a people.apache.org
> site, at which point I'll take it down from mac.com so
> my bandwidth limit doesn't get completely clobbered.
>
> This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> demo WAR.
>
> John and I have spent most of this week cleaning up the
> codebase to eliminate compile and build dependencies on
> anything Oracle proprietary or non-ASF compatible. I'd say
> we're 99.9% of the way there - the remaining points being:
>
> - the lack (AFAIK) of a JSF impl in the public maven
> repository - obviously, we can trivially point that to
> MyFaces api and impl
> - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> to be redone the right way.
>
> Looking forward to all of your comments!
>
> Best regards,
> John and Adam
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Omar Tazi <om...@oracle.com>.
I am happy to help with the proposal.
-Omar
Adam Winer wrote:
> Sure, I'll talk to John today and see how he wants to split this up.
> He's down with the flu at the moment, but I'm on vaction for a week
> starting this weekend, so it ought to be fun deciding who can do
> it. :)
>
> -- Adam
>
> On 1/10/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, we can all start writing up the proposal. Maybe you and John
>>want to take a first shot?
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks Bill!
>>>
>>>-- Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
>>>>
>>>>is the url of interest
>>>>
>>>>the old url should not work any more.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
>>>>
>>>>TTFN,
>>>>
>>>>-bd-
>>>>
>>>>On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sorry Ted,
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home
>>>>>dir now.
>>>>>
>>>>>TTFN,
>>>>>
>>>>>-bd-
>>>>>
>>>>>On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
>>>>>>account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
>>>>>>MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
>>>>>>I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
>>>>>>from the website server, only pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
>>>>>>recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
>>>>>>to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
>>>>>>repository.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
>>>>>>this project at all in the month January.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Ted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>http://www.irian.at
>>
>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>Courses in English and German
>>
>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
> Well, I do think that Martin Cooper seems to be a little interested at
> least, maybe we can get him aboard?
Why not. So my +1 for MC :-)
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/11/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> > > to put it ;) ?
> >
> > I believe Oracle is OK with us using "ADF Faces" on an interim basis,
> > so long as another name is used before the product is released. One of
> > the action items for the community to resolve during incubation could
> > be selecting a product name (in a collaborative and transparent way).
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Zülpicher Wall 12, 239
50674 Köln
http://www.wessendorf.net
mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Thanx for the info Ted..
I clearly don't fit in the description too well (except for not mentoring any other project :)
Mvgr,
Martin
Ted Husted wrote:
> A podling does need at least one Mentor, and the Mentors do need to be
> ASF Members.
>
> Ideally, the Mentor should be actively involved in the project as a
> coder, and should not be Mentoring another project at the same time.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 1/19/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I remember to have seen somewhere that mentors need to be members -
>>there hasn't been any clarification on your mail to general@incubator
>>so far, though ;)
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>On 1/19/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I am willing to help out wherever I can, even being a mentor if that is possible (with me not being
>>>a member of the ASF)
>>>
>>>Mvgr,
>>>Martin
>
>
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
A podling does need at least one Mentor, and the Mentors do need to be
ASF Members.
Ideally, the Mentor should be actively involved in the project as a
coder, and should not be Mentoring another project at the same time.
-Ted.
On 1/19/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember to have seen somewhere that mentors need to be members -
> there hasn't been any clarification on your mail to general@incubator
> so far, though ;)
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/19/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > I am willing to help out wherever I can, even being a mentor if that is possible (with me not being
> > a member of the ASF)
> >
> > Mvgr,
> > Martin
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
I remember to have seen somewhere that mentors need to be members -
there hasn't been any clarification on your mail to general@incubator
so far, though ;)
regards,
Martin
On 1/19/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> I am willing to help out wherever I can, even being a mentor if that is possible (with me not being
> a member of the ASF)
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> Werner Punz wrote:
> > Martin Cooper schrieb:
> >
> >
> >>I still have some concerns about the MyFaces project, particularly the
> >>ability to incubate a new project effectively. (I'm thinking here of the
> >>Tobago effort, which still appears to be largely separate from the
> >>remainder of MyFaces, despite being technically almost through with the
> >>incubation process.) However, I'm confident that the community can work
> >>through that successfully without me.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I think integrationwise things will move forward as soon as the codebase
> > is merged into the main myfaces codebase...
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
I am willing to help out wherever I can, even being a mentor if that is possible (with me not being
a member of the ASF)
Mvgr,
Martin
Werner Punz wrote:
> Martin Cooper schrieb:
>
>
>>I still have some concerns about the MyFaces project, particularly the
>>ability to incubate a new project effectively. (I'm thinking here of the
>>Tobago effort, which still appears to be largely separate from the
>>remainder of MyFaces, despite being technically almost through with the
>>incubation process.) However, I'm confident that the community can work
>>through that successfully without me.
>>
>
>
> I think integrationwise things will move forward as soon as the codebase
> is merged into the main myfaces codebase...
>
>
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Martin Cooper schrieb:
> I still have some concerns about the MyFaces project, particularly the
> ability to incubate a new project effectively. (I'm thinking here of the
> Tobago effort, which still appears to be largely separate from the
> remainder of MyFaces, despite being technically almost through with the
> incubation process.) However, I'm confident that the community can work
> through that successfully without me.
>
I think integrationwise things will move forward as soon as the codebase
is merged into the main myfaces codebase...
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Martin,
ok, well that's a decision we have to accept. I have thought about
your technical input though and will make sure we keep your concerns
in mind for our javascript-policy into the future.
regards,
Martin
On 1/19/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sounds good to me!
> >
> > Well, I do think that Martin Cooper seems to be a little interested at
> > least, maybe we can get him aboard?
>
> I haven't been ignoring this, I've been thinking about it. I appreciate the
> vote of confidence. However, I've decided that I'm going to step back from
> several things at the ASF, at least for a while, and focus on only those
> projects that I actually use, whether at the ASF or not. Since I don't
> currently use JSF, and am not likely to any time soon, that will not include
> MyFaces.
>
> For a while, I was debating with myself (yeah, I know, not a good sign) as
> to whether I should lend my efforts to ADF Faces or to the (apparently
> inevitably) incoming Zimbra project. I decided against ADF Faces for the
> reasons mentioned above, even though I know there must be some interesting
> AJAX code in there. However, I've also decided against Zimbra, since I
> appear to be the only person concerned about its architecture, and frankly I
> don't have the energy to fight the uphill battle it would take to improve
> it, especially when there's only one of me and there's already a much better
> alternative available for me to use.
>
> I still have some concerns about the MyFaces project, particularly the
> ability to incubate a new project effectively. (I'm thinking here of the
> Tobago effort, which still appears to be largely separate from the remainder
> of MyFaces, despite being technically almost through with the incubation
> process.) However, I'm confident that the community can work through that
> successfully without me.
>
> See you around. And good luck!
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 1/11/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> > > > to put it ;) ?
> > >
> > > I believe Oracle is OK with us using "ADF Faces" on an interim basis,
> > > so long as another name is used before the product is released. One of
> > > the action items for the community to resolve during incubation could
> > > be selecting a product name (in a collaborative and transparent way).
> > >
> > > -Ted.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>
>
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Courses in English and German
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Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sounds good to me!
>
> Well, I do think that Martin Cooper seems to be a little interested at
> least, maybe we can get him aboard?
I haven't been ignoring this, I've been thinking about it. I appreciate the
vote of confidence. However, I've decided that I'm going to step back from
several things at the ASF, at least for a while, and focus on only those
projects that I actually use, whether at the ASF or not. Since I don't
currently use JSF, and am not likely to any time soon, that will not include
MyFaces.
For a while, I was debating with myself (yeah, I know, not a good sign) as
to whether I should lend my efforts to ADF Faces or to the (apparently
inevitably) incoming Zimbra project. I decided against ADF Faces for the
reasons mentioned above, even though I know there must be some interesting
AJAX code in there. However, I've also decided against Zimbra, since I
appear to be the only person concerned about its architecture, and frankly I
don't have the energy to fight the uphill battle it would take to improve
it, especially when there's only one of me and there's already a much better
alternative available for me to use.
I still have some concerns about the MyFaces project, particularly the
ability to incubate a new project effectively. (I'm thinking here of the
Tobago effort, which still appears to be largely separate from the remainder
of MyFaces, despite being technically almost through with the incubation
process.) However, I'm confident that the community can work through that
successfully without me.
See you around. And good luck!
--
Martin Cooper
regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/11/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> > > to put it ;) ?
> >
> > I believe Oracle is OK with us using "ADF Faces" on an interim basis,
> > so long as another name is used before the product is released. One of
> > the action items for the community to resolve during incubation could
> > be selecting a product name (in a collaborative and transparent way).
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good to me!
Well, I do think that Martin Cooper seems to be a little interested at
least, maybe we can get him aboard?
regards,
Martin
On 1/11/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> > to put it ;) ?
>
> I believe Oracle is OK with us using "ADF Faces" on an interim basis,
> so long as another name is used before the product is released. One of
> the action items for the community to resolve during incubation could
> be selecting a product name (in a collaborative and transparent way).
>
> -Ted.
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 1/11/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> to put it ;) ?
I believe Oracle is OK with us using "ADF Faces" on an interim basis,
so long as another name is used before the product is released. One of
the action items for the community to resolve during incubation could
be selecting a product name (in a collaborative and transparent way).
-Ted.
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
> Here is one :
> - Nirosha (a first name used in Sri Lanka, afaik it is a flower)
> And the Myfaces logo with a flower in it :)
Why not just "common" name?`
Leon ?
-> MyFaces Leon
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> > to put it ;) ?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> > On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> >
> >>It is best to have it up at the wiki when sending in the proposal.. This allows interested people to
> >>add their names. This is just what I understood from the incubator mailinglist though..
> >>
> >>Confusing all those Martins :)
> >>
> >>Mvgr,
> >>Martin
> >>
> >>Martin Marinschek wrote:
> >>
> >>>As for the proposal - I think I sent out the wrong sample link to you
> >>>guys, here the right one:
> >>>
> >>>http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal
> >>>
> >>>I think you better start with a text based proposal first, and if it
> >>>is good enough, we'll post it to the incubator mailing-list. Then,
> >>>we'll add a wiki-page at incubator.
> >>>
> >>>regards,
> >>>
> >>>Martin
> >>>
> >>>On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>John Fallows wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 1/10/06, *Martin Marinschek* <martin.marinschek@gmail.com
> >>>>><ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might give it out to Jack ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
> >>>>>keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>In a year or so he will be committer on myfaces :)
> >>>>I think daddy needs to sign his CLA though :)
> >>>>
> >>>>Mvgr,
> >>>>Martin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>
> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>
> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
>
--
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Zülpicher Wall 12, 239
50674 Köln
http://www.wessendorf.net
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Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Ted Husted wrote:
> On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>
>>It is best to have it up at the wiki when sending in the proposal.. This allows interested
>>people to add their names. This is just what I understood from the incubator mailinglist
>>though..
>
>
> It's both actually. The wiki should be drafted and maintained on a
> wiki, for purposes of collaboration and transparency, but the actual
> proposal should still be submitted to the list, so that there is a
> firm reference copy.
I didn't mean to imply that sending the proposal itself should be skipped, although I didn't make
that very clear :)
>
> In the initial discussions (which were almost a year ago), we had
> envisioned bringing in only the codebase, maintaining the code with
> existing committers, and adding new committes only as they proved
> themselves in the usual way. But, a year later, that is sounding less
> and less like a good idea, and a conventional incubation is sounding
> like a better and better idea.
>
> I doubt that I will have the bandwidth this year to shepard the ADF
> donation through a conventional incubation that includes
> indoctrinating new committers. As part of drawing up the proposal,
> there should also be an effort to attract one or more other ASF
> members to this initiative to help with the incubation.
>
I don't know the complete initial committer list for ADF Faces, but the ones I know, put in a real
effort to do it the Apache way (besides the ADF contribution), so maybe this still can be handled
the way it was initially discussed / proposed.
FYI : Just an observation from the mailinglist traffic / involvement.
Mvgr,
Martin
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> It is best to have it up at the wiki when sending in the proposal.. This allows interested
> people to add their names. This is just what I understood from the incubator mailinglist
> though..
It's both actually. The wiki should be drafted and maintained on a
wiki, for purposes of collaboration and transparency, but the actual
proposal should still be submitted to the list, so that there is a
firm reference copy.
Do keep in mind that the idea of a proposal implies a conventional
podling incubation, where the donation would live in the Incubator
repository until ready to join the ASF as either a subproject or a
top-level project. During that time the Incubator PMC would serve as
the podling's official PMC and approve all releases and new
committers.
Given the discussions here, that might be the best way to go. I just
want to be sure that everyone understands that a conventional
incubation of a codebase this large, that includes bringing new
committers into the ASF open source community, will probably take at
least a year to complete. (Witness BeeHive and Derby.)
In the initial discussions (which were almost a year ago), we had
envisioned bringing in only the codebase, maintaining the code with
existing committers, and adding new committes only as they proved
themselves in the usual way. But, a year later, that is sounding less
and less like a good idea, and a conventional incubation is sounding
like a better and better idea.
I doubt that I will have the bandwidth this year to shepard the ADF
donation through a conventional incubation that includes
indoctrinating new committers. As part of drawing up the proposal,
there should also be an effort to attract one or more other ASF
members to this initiative to help with the incubation.
-Ted.
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Call it ADF Faces for the initial proposal, if that is ok with Oracle and add to the proposal that a
new name should be found. There should be time enough to find a new name before the ball really
gets rolling (meaning when it gets harder to do a name change).
Just ask people for suggestions, pick the best, see if there are no legal issues with it and have a
vote.
Here is one :
- Nirosha (a first name used in Sri Lanka, afaik it is a flower)
And the Myfaces logo with a flower in it :)
Mvgr,
Martin
Martin Marinschek wrote:
> The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
> to put it ;) ?
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
> On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>
>>It is best to have it up at the wiki when sending in the proposal.. This allows interested people to
>>add their names. This is just what I understood from the incubator mailinglist though..
>>
>>Confusing all those Martins :)
>>
>>Mvgr,
>>Martin
>>
>>Martin Marinschek wrote:
>>
>>>As for the proposal - I think I sent out the wrong sample link to you
>>>guys, here the right one:
>>>
>>>http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal
>>>
>>>I think you better start with a text based proposal first, and if it
>>>is good enough, we'll post it to the incubator mailing-list. Then,
>>>we'll add a wiki-page at incubator.
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>John Fallows wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 1/10/06, *Martin Marinschek* <martin.marinschek@gmail.com
>>>>><ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You might give it out to Jack ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
>>>>>keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
>>>>
>>>>In a year or so he will be committer on myfaces :)
>>>>I think daddy needs to sign his CLA though :)
>>>>
>>>>Mvgr,
>>>>Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>Courses in English and German
>>>
>>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
The problem is that we don't have a name so far - so under which name
to put it ;) ?
regards,
Martin
On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> It is best to have it up at the wiki when sending in the proposal.. This allows interested people to
> add their names. This is just what I understood from the incubator mailinglist though..
>
> Confusing all those Martins :)
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > As for the proposal - I think I sent out the wrong sample link to you
> > guys, here the right one:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal
> >
> > I think you better start with a text based proposal first, and if it
> > is good enough, we'll post it to the incubator mailing-list. Then,
> > we'll add a wiki-page at incubator.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> >
> >>John Fallows wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 1/10/06, *Martin Marinschek* <martin.marinschek@gmail.com
> >>><ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You might give it out to Jack ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
> >>>keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
> >>
> >>In a year or so he will be committer on myfaces :)
> >>I think daddy needs to sign his CLA though :)
> >>
> >>Mvgr,
> >>Martin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
It is best to have it up at the wiki when sending in the proposal.. This allows interested people to
add their names. This is just what I understood from the incubator mailinglist though..
Confusing all those Martins :)
Mvgr,
Martin
Martin Marinschek wrote:
> As for the proposal - I think I sent out the wrong sample link to you
> guys, here the right one:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal
>
> I think you better start with a text based proposal first, and if it
> is good enough, we'll post it to the incubator mailing-list. Then,
> we'll add a wiki-page at incubator.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>
>>John Fallows wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/10/06, *Martin Marinschek* <martin.marinschek@gmail.com
>>><ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You might give it out to Jack ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
>>>keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
>>
>>In a year or so he will be committer on myfaces :)
>>I think daddy needs to sign his CLA though :)
>>
>>Mvgr,
>>Martin
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
As for the proposal - I think I sent out the wrong sample link to you
guys, here the right one:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal
I think you better start with a text based proposal first, and if it
is good enough, we'll post it to the incubator mailing-list. Then,
we'll add a wiki-page at incubator.
regards,
Martin
On 1/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> John Fallows wrote:
> > On 1/10/06, *Martin Marinschek* <martin.marinschek@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > You might give it out to Jack ;)
> >
> >
> > Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
> > keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
>
> In a year or so he will be committer on myfaces :)
> I think daddy needs to sign his CLA though :)
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
John Fallows wrote:
> On 1/10/06, *Martin Marinschek* <martin.marinschek@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You might give it out to Jack ;)
>
>
> Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
> keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
In a year or so he will be committer on myfaces :)
I think daddy needs to sign his CLA though :)
Mvgr,
Martin
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by John Fallows <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 1/10/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You might give it out to Jack ;)
Ha ha! My 6 month old son, Jack, would undoubtedly love to bash on the
keyboard as we put together this proposal. :-)
I've started to recover from the flu a bit now, so I'll be available to help
out with this.
Kind Regards,
John Fallows.
On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sure, I'll talk to John today and see how he wants to split this up.
> > He's down with the flu at the moment, but I'm on vaction for a week
> > starting this weekend, so it ought to be fun deciding who can do
> > it. :)
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> > On 1/10/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, we can all start writing up the proposal. Maybe you and John
> > > want to take a first shot?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Thanks Bill!
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
> > > > >
> > > > > is the url of interest
> > > > >
> > > > > the old url should not work any more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
> > > > >
> > > > > TTFN,
> > > > >
> > > > > -bd-
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry Ted,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my
> home
> > > > > > dir now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TTFN,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -bd-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file
> to our
> > > > > >>> space.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a
> home
> > > > > >> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it
> under
> > > > > >> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it
> is not.
> > > > > >> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute
> files
> > > > > >> from the website server, only pages.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary
> has
> > > > > >> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being
> brought
> > > > > >> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an
> ASF
> > > > > >> repository.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to
> work on
> > > > > >> this project at all in the month January.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -Ted.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
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>
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Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
You might give it out to Jack ;)
regards,
Martin
On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure, I'll talk to John today and see how he wants to split this up.
> He's down with the flu at the moment, but I'm on vaction for a week
> starting this weekend, so it ought to be fun deciding who can do
> it. :)
>
> -- Adam
>
> On 1/10/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, we can all start writing up the proposal. Maybe you and John
> > want to take a first shot?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks Bill!
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
> > > >
> > > > is the url of interest
> > > >
> > > > the old url should not work any more.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
> > > >
> > > > TTFN,
> > > >
> > > > -bd-
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry Ted,
> > > > >
> > > > > I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home
> > > > > dir now.
> > > > >
> > > > > TTFN,
> > > > >
> > > > > -bd-
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
> > > > >>> space.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
> > > > >> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
> > > > >> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
> > > > >> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
> > > > >> from the website server, only pages.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
> > > > >> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
> > > > >> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
> > > > >> repository.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
> > > > >> this project at all in the month January.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Ted.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>
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JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Sure, I'll talk to John today and see how he wants to split this up.
He's down with the flu at the moment, but I'm on vaction for a week
starting this weekend, so it ought to be fun deciding who can do
it. :)
-- Adam
On 1/10/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we can all start writing up the proposal. Maybe you and John
> want to take a first shot?
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Bill!
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> > On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
> > >
> > > is the url of interest
> > >
> > > the old url should not work any more.
> > >
> > > Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
> > >
> > > TTFN,
> > >
> > > -bd-
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry Ted,
> > > >
> > > > I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home
> > > > dir now.
> > > >
> > > > TTFN,
> > > >
> > > > -bd-
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
> > > >>> space.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
> > > >> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
> > > >> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
> > > >> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
> > > >> from the website server, only pages.
> > > >>
> > > >> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
> > > >> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
> > > >> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
> > > >> repository.
> > > >>
> > > >> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
> > > >> this project at all in the month January.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Ted.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Well, we can all start writing up the proposal. Maybe you and John
want to take a first shot?
regards,
Martin
On 1/10/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Bill!
>
> -- Adam
>
>
> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
> >
> > is the url of interest
> >
> > the old url should not work any more.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
> >
> > TTFN,
> >
> > -bd-
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry Ted,
> > >
> > > I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home
> > > dir now.
> > >
> > > TTFN,
> > >
> > > -bd-
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
> > >>> space.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
> > >> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
> > >> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
> > >> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
> > >> from the website server, only pages.
> > >>
> > >> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
> > >> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
> > >> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
> > >> repository.
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
> > >> this project at all in the month January.
> > >>
> > >> -Ted.
> > >
> >
> >
>
--
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JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Bill!
-- Adam
On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
>
> is the url of interest
>
> the old url should not work any more.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-
>
> On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
>
> > Sorry Ted,
> >
> > I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home
> > dir now.
> >
> > TTFN,
> >
> > -bd-
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
> >>> space.
> >>>
> >>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
> >>>
> >>
> >> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
> >> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
> >> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
> >> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
> >> from the website server, only pages.
> >>
> >> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
> >> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
> >> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
> >> repository.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
> >> this project at all in the month January.
> >>
> >> -Ted.
> >
>
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com>.
http://people.apache.org/~bdudney/apache-drop.zip
is the url of interest
the old url should not work any more.
Thanks for pointing that out Ted.
TTFN,
-bd-
On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> Sorry Ted,
>
> I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home
> dir now.
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-
>
> On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
>>> space.
>>>
>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
>>>
>>
>> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
>> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
>> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
>> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
>> from the website server, only pages.
>>
>> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
>> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
>> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
>> repository.
>>
>> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
>> this project at all in the month January.
>>
>> -Ted.
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com>.
Sorry Ted,
I did not think of the 'sanctioned' idea. I'll move it to my home dir
now.
TTFN,
-bd-
On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
>> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
>> space.
>>
>> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
>>
>
> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
> from the website server, only pages.
>
> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
> repository.
>
> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
> this project at all in the month January.
>
> -Ted.
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, Ted. So we'll get our ducks in a row during the rest
of January, and maybe I can also take the time to help orient
some folks around the code base.
-- Adam
On 1/10/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
> > space.
> >
> > http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
> >
>
> If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
> account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
> MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
> I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
> from the website server, only pages.
>
> As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
> recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
> to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
> repository.
>
> Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
> this project at all in the month January.
>
> -Ted.
>
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 1/10/06, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
> space.
>
> http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
>
If we are going to do this, it would be better to do it from a home
account on people.apache.org. (All of us have one.) Putting it under
MyFaces makes it seem too much like sanctioned code, which it is not.
I also seem to recollect that we are not suppose to distribute files
from the website server, only pages.
As for the code donation, I do not see that the ASF secretary has
recorded it yet. But, that would not prevent a proposal being brought
to the Incubator, only whether the code can be brought into an ASF
repository.
Unfortunately, my work schedule is not going to allow me to work on
this project at all in the month January.
-Ted.
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com>.
Hi Adam,
Thanks for the drop!
Since Ted seems to be busy I went ahead and uploaded the file to our
space.
http://myfaces.apache.org/adf/apache-drop.zip
Is the url for those interested and to spare Adam's bandwidth. From
what I understand from the rumor mill though our .mac accts will go
to 1TB this month :-)
Thanks again Adam,
TTFN,
-bd-
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Adam Winer wrote:
> Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
> of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
>
> Ted Husted will be copying this over to a people.apache.org
> site, at which point I'll take it down from mac.com so
> my bandwidth limit doesn't get completely clobbered.
>
> This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> demo WAR.
>
> John and I have spent most of this week cleaning up the
> codebase to eliminate compile and build dependencies on
> anything Oracle proprietary or non-ASF compatible. I'd say
> we're 99.9% of the way there - the remaining points being:
>
> - the lack (AFAIK) of a JSF impl in the public maven
> repository - obviously, we can trivially point that to
> MyFaces api and impl
> - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> to be redone the right way.
>
> Looking forward to all of your comments!
>
> Best regards,
> John and Adam
Re: ADF Source drop is available!
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
As for the build - what are the settings I'd need to change to make it
work locally? Or should we wait for a later version to really build
it?
regards,
Martin
On 1/7/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we've finally gotten there and done it. A public drop
> of the ADF Faces source code is now available:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/awiner/FileSharing.html
>
> Ted Husted will be copying this over to a people.apache.org
> site, at which point I'll take it down from mac.com so
> my bandwidth limit doesn't get completely clobbered.
>
> This should be (nearly) a fully buildable Maven 2.0 project,
> including a separate project of custom Maven 2 plugins (
> which are also part of the contribution.) There's an Apache 2.0
> LICENSE.txt at the root of the distribution, and to save people
> the work of building it, we've included the JARs and our
> demo WAR.
>
> John and I have spent most of this week cleaning up the
> codebase to eliminate compile and build dependencies on
> anything Oracle proprietary or non-ASF compatible. I'd say
> we're 99.9% of the way there - the remaining points being:
>
> - the lack (AFAIK) of a JSF impl in the public maven
> repository - obviously, we can trivially point that to
> MyFaces api and impl
> - Our tests use a Mock JSF impl that's just a mockmaker
> run over jsf-api - but that's not totally ASF-legit.
> We've included that jar in this distribution, but this needs
> to be redone the right way.
>
> Looking forward to all of your comments!
>
> Best regards,
> John and Adam
>
--
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JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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