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Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Thanks
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>.
Thank you very much Curtis Rueden
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Curtis Rueden <ct...@wisc.edu> wrote:
> Hi Nayana,
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't
> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a
> Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven
> POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> > holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> > Phone: 662-801-6349
> > Skype: nayanexbourdon
> >
>
--
Nayana Holanda de Abreu
holanda.nayana@gmail.com
Phone: 662-801-6349
Skype: nayanexbourdon
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
On 27/06/2013 12:30 PM, Martin Gainty wrote:
> At some point
> you may become dissatisfied with <modelVersion>4.0</modelVersion model "limitations" in which case you will learn XML and become an expert and you will develop
> a)new ComplexTypes
> b)new XSDs that reference these new ComplexTypes
> c)create a new Model from the newly created XSDs
> d)build out a whole new (plexus-)classworlds-(newVersion).jar implementing the constructs from the new XSDs
>
> Eclipse deliberately obfuscates 99% of the "unnecessary engineering details" from the eclipse operator(s)
>
> On the other hand
> *If* you can write a plugin for Eclipse (lets say a Android Terminal Emulator) you have my respect
> to write an eclipse plugin you will have to know xml (specfically plugin.xml) so eclipse can 'register' your plugin
> http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Plug-in-architecture/plugin_architecture.html
>
> the analogy of learning XML in order to properly implement Maven is
> if you purchase a Masserati but you are unable to drive a stick then it stays in the garage
That is a bit extreme. It is more like
"if you purchase a Masserati but don't take a performance driving course, you will not get as much use out of it as if you did."
You can build a multi-module Java application for the web in Maven, without doing anything more than editing with the GUI in Eclipse and occasionally copying and pasting some XML. This should be well within the capabilities of a competent Java programmer after reading the Maven docs and skimming one of the Maven books (do one or two example POMs from the book just to make sure that you are getting it).
Ron
>
> Martin-
>
>> From: cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
>> To: users@maven.apache.org; rwheeler@artifact-software.com
>> Subject: RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:54:20 +0000
>>
>> I agree wholeheartedly.
>>
>> Cody Fyler
>> Lending Grid Build Team
>> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
>> (515)-441-0814
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwheeler@artifact-software.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:52 AM
>> To: users@maven.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>
>> On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com wrote:
>>> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML.
>>>
>>> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge.
>> You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that <something> will be terminated by </something> and that they can be nested.
>>
>> You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files.
>> You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>> Cody Fyler
>>> Lending Grid Build Team
>>> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
>>> (515)-441-0814
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
>>> To: Maven Users List
>>> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>>
>>> Hi Nayana,
>>>
>>>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
>>> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>>>
>>> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM.
>>>
>>> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
>>> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
>>> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
>>> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
>>> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>>>
>>> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
>>>> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: 662-801-6349
>>>> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
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>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>
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RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
At some point
you may become dissatisfied with <modelVersion>4.0</modelVersion model "limitations" in which case you will learn XML and become an expert and you will develop
a)new ComplexTypes
b)new XSDs that reference these new ComplexTypes
c)create a new Model from the newly created XSDs
d)build out a whole new (plexus-)classworlds-(newVersion).jar implementing the constructs from the new XSDs
Eclipse deliberately obfuscates 99% of the "unnecessary engineering details" from the eclipse operator(s)
On the other hand
*If* you can write a plugin for Eclipse (lets say a Android Terminal Emulator) you have my respect
to write an eclipse plugin you will have to know xml (specfically plugin.xml) so eclipse can 'register' your plugin
http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Plug-in-architecture/plugin_architecture.html
the analogy of learning XML in order to properly implement Maven is
if you purchase a Masserati but you are unable to drive a stick then it stays in the garage
Martin-
> From: cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> To: users@maven.apache.org; rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> Subject: RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:54:20 +0000
>
> I agree wholeheartedly.
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwheeler@artifact-software.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:52 AM
> To: users@maven.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com wrote:
> > I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML.
> >
> > There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge.
> You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that <something> will be terminated by </something> and that they can be nested.
>
> You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files.
> You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors.
>
> Ron
>
> >
> > Cody Fyler
> > Lending Grid Build Team
> > cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> > (515)-441-0814
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On
> > Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
> > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> > To: Maven Users List
> > Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> >
> > Hi Nayana,
> >
> >> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> > No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> > Other IDEs may have similar things.
> >
> > Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM.
> >
> > My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> > * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> > * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> > * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> > * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
> >
> > And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> >> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> >> Phone: 662-801-6349
> >> Skype: nayanexbourdon
> >>
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> >
>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by co...@wellsfargo.com.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Cody Fyler
Lending Grid Build Team
cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
(515)-441-0814
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwheeler@artifact-software.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:52 AM
To: users@maven.apache.org
Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com wrote:
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge.
You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that <something> will be terminated by </something> and that they can be nested.
You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files.
You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors.
Ron
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
>> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>> Phone: 662-801-6349
>> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com wrote:
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge.
You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that
people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of
solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and
you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than
understanding that <something> will be terminated by </something> and
that they can be nested.
You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files.
You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot
any XML validation errors.
Ron
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
>> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>> Phone: 662-801-6349
>> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>>
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RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by co...@wellsfargo.com.
I picked up my XML skills over many years in bits and pieces here and there.
However this would be a great place to start:
http://www.w3schools.com/xml/
Basic XML is simple, especially if you've done HTML in the past.
Good luck and most importantly have fun!
Cody Fyler
Lending Grid Build Team
cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
(515)-441-0814
-----Original Message-----
From: Nayana ABREU [mailto:holanda.nayana@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:39 AM
To: Maven Users List
Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books?
Thanks Cody
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <co...@wellsfargo.com> wrote:
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you
> DO need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have
> that knowledge.
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you
> don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack
> together a Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a
> Maven POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU
> <holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> > holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> > Phone: 662-801-6349
> > Skype: nayanexbourdon
> >
>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by e9...@seznam.cz.
You'll learn XML during learning MAVEN .. its not so hard.
M.
---------- Původní zpráva ----------
Od: Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>
Datum: 27. 6. 2013
Předmět: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
"I am sure that you are right.
My Google search turned up almost 2 million results.
I just grabbed the first one that had enough in it to learn enough XML
to read a POM file.
Ron
On 27/06/2013 2:15 PM, Brett Vanderveen wrote:
> Not to be pretentious, but I think there is a lot of better
> documentation out there than W3 Schools, for example:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XML
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> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ron Wheeler
> <rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> <ma...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/xml/
> will give you more than what you need for Maven.
>
> Google is your friend!!!
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote:
>
> So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me
> good sources,
> like webpages or books?
>
> Thanks Cody
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> <ma...@wellsfargo.com>> wrote:
>
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer
> programmer, you DO
> need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished
> once you have that
> knowledge.
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> <ma...@wellsfargo.com>
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear
> Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its
> graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable"
> meaning you don't
> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to
> hack together a
> Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to
> configure a Maven
> POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU
> <holanda.nayana@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> holanda.nayana@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> Phone: 662-801-6349
> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
I am sure that you are right.
My Google search turned up almost 2 million results.
I just grabbed the first one that had enough in it to learn enough XML
to read a POM file.
Ron
On 27/06/2013 2:15 PM, Brett Vanderveen wrote:
> Not to be pretentious, but I think there is a lot of better
> documentation out there than W3 Schools, for example:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XML
>
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> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ron Wheeler
> <rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> <ma...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/xml/
> will give you more than what you need for Maven.
>
> Google is your friend!!!
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote:
>
> So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me
> good sources,
> like webpages or books?
>
> Thanks Cody
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> <ma...@wellsfargo.com>> wrote:
>
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer
> programmer, you DO
> need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished
> once you have that
> knowledge.
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> <ma...@wellsfargo.com>
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear
> Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its
> graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable"
> meaning you don't
> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to
> hack together a
> Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to
> configure a Maven
> POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU
> <holanda.nayana@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
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> Phone: 662-801-6349
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Brett Vanderveen <br...@gfs.com>.
Not to be pretentious, but I think there is a lot of better documentation
out there than W3 Schools, for example:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XML
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> wrote:
> http://www.w3schools.com/xml/
> will give you more than what you need for Maven.
>
> Google is your friend!!!
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote:
>
>> So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources,
>> like webpages or books?
>>
>> Thanks Cody
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <co...@wellsfargo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO
>>> need to learn XML.
>>>
>>> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have
>>> that
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Cody Fyler
>>> Lending Grid Build Team
>>> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
>>> (515)-441-0814
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.**com<ct...@gmail.com>]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Curtis Rueden
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
>>> To: Maven Users List
>>> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>>
>>> Hi Nayana,
>>>
>>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>>>
>>> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical
>>> editor.
>>> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>>>
>>> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't
>>> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a
>>> Maven POM.
>>>
>>> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
>>> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
>>> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
>>> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
>>> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>>>
>>> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven
>>> POM.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
>>>> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: 662-801-6349
>>>> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>>>>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
http://www.w3schools.com/xml/
will give you more than what you need for Maven.
Google is your friend!!!
Ron
On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote:
> So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources,
> like webpages or books?
>
> Thanks Cody
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <co...@wellsfargo.com> wrote:
>
>> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO
>> need to learn XML.
>>
>> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that
>> knowledge.
>>
>> Cody Fyler
>> Lending Grid Build Team
>> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
>> (515)-441-0814
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> Of Curtis Rueden
>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: Maven Users List
>> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>
>> Hi Nayana,
>>
>>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
>> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>>
>> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't
>> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a
>> Maven POM.
>>
>> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
>> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
>> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
>> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
>> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>>
>> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven
>> POM.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
>>> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
>>> Phone: 662-801-6349
>>> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>>>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>.
So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources,
like webpages or books?
Thanks Cody
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <co...@wellsfargo.com> wrote:
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO
> need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that
> knowledge.
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't
> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a
> Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven
> POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> > holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> > Phone: 662-801-6349
> > Skype: nayanexbourdon
> >
>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Curtis Rueden <ct...@wisc.edu>.
Hi Cody,
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you
> DO need to learn XML.
Indeed. But the question was: do you *need* to learn XML in order to learn
Maven? Well, no...
But yes, not understanding XML in today's technical landscape can be very
disadvantageous. So I agree with Cody that you may as well bite the bullet
on that one, Nayana. It doesn't really make sense to *avoid* learning XML.
Regards,
Curtis
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:35 AM, <co...@wellsfargo.com> wrote:
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO
> need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that
> knowledge.
>
> Cody Fyler
> Lending Grid Build Team
> cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
> (515)-441-0814
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Rueden
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Hi Nayana,
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
> Other IDEs may have similar things.
>
> Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't
> really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a
> Maven POM.
>
> My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
> * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
> * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
> * Understand XSLT stylesheets
> * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
>
> And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven
> POM.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> > holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> > Phone: 662-801-6349
> > Skype: nayanexbourdon
> >
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by "Mark H. Wood" <mw...@IUPUI.Edu>.
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 03:35:26PM +0000, cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com wrote:
> I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML.
>
> There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge.
I tend to agree, but I think that "learn XML" is rather imprecise.
You can learn to read XML in about five minutes, and to write it in
ten. It's really, really simple. It also doesn't get you far at all.
What people *do with XML* is often highly complex, abstruse, and
intellectually challenging. A Maven POM, expressed in XML (which it
always is, externally) can be daunting. XSD, XSL-T, and a thousand
and one other *applications of* XML each have their own learning
curves, some rather steep and bumpy.
So I'd say, yes, you should "learn XML" if you want to use Maven, but
that's easy. Learning Maven will require much more effort, but that
effort will be amply rewarded.
--
Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mwood@IUPUI.Edu
Machines should not be friendly. Machines should be obedient.
RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by co...@wellsfargo.com.
I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML.
There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge.
Cody Fyler
Lending Grid Build Team
cody.a.fyler@wellsfargo.com
(515)-441-0814
-----Original Message-----
From: ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM
To: Maven Users List
Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Hi Nayana,
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
Other IDEs may have similar things.
Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM.
My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
* Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
* Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
* Understand XSLT stylesheets
* Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM.
Regards,
Curtis
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> Phone: 662-801-6349
> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>
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Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Posted by Curtis Rueden <ct...@wisc.edu>.
Hi Nayana,
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor.
Other IDEs may have similar things.
Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is "human readable" meaning you don't
really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a
Maven POM.
My definition of "learn XML" would be more like:
* Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc.
* Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD
* Understand XSLT stylesheets
* Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath
And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM.
Regards,
Curtis
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU <ho...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Nayana Holanda de Abreu
> holanda.nayana@gmail.com
> Phone: 662-801-6349
> Skype: nayanexbourdon
>